For some of us, it just isn't in our cards...

[edger]

I'll start out by saying if you don't believe "fate" is a reality, then reading this post I'm sure would be pointless....

Anyhow, this has to happen to a lot of you here...you sit there almost regularly thinking to yourself, "well, I've got good game, not perfect game(no guys game is perfect), but I know for a solid fact(after you've taken a pretty good look at yourself) that I have at least 97% good game, yet most of the time hot women don't show lust for, or show an interest in me."

By all standards in the mating game, women are supposed to gravitate towards the "player" types of the world. Now following that reality, it obviously makes total sense that guys who have good game should be pulling tail just about regularly. And most of the time this is how it works for all you players out there.

But what about the guys with good game like every other player, who aren't reeling in the babes on a consistent basis? Something's not adding up, something doesn't make sense..it's a really strange phenomena is all I can say. And that's why the only explanation I can lean towards is that with some guys, no matter how good your game is, getting hot women on a regular basis just isn't in your cards. I can offer no other explanation for it after all else has been ruled out under careful scrutiny/observation. It just isn't meant to be, it's not part of your fate to be reeling in babes at the rate of which guys the same as you are.

So, those of you who are trying hard and have your game pretty tight, don't feel bad. Something else without a doubt has to be at work here. I'm absolutely 100% convinced of it.

 

[wjh]

I personally don't have the time or energy to constantly pull in very many new HBs at the moment. My career is more important.

That isn't to say however that it's impossible. The buck stops with me. I don't even let the concept of fate get in the way.

 

[potato]

…that I have at least 97% good game, yet most of the time hot women don't show lust for, or show an interest in me."

By all standards in the mating game, women are supposed to gravitate towards the "player" types of the world.

So, those of you who are trying hard and have your game pretty tight, don't feel bad. Something else without a doubt has to be at work here. That I'm absolutely 100% convinced of.

What you are missing here is that having game and being a player isn’t what most women gravitate to. Many are repulsed by game and players. Women tend to gravitate to men who turn them on. Think about it this way, do you lust after women who have good game? Or do you lust after women who by their look and the way they act turn you on? A woman is far more likely to show lust for, show interest in and gravitate towards a man who turns her on, regardless of game.

 

[edger]

What you are missing here is that having game and being a player isn’t what most women gravitate to. Many are repulsed by game and players. Women tend to gravitate to men who turn them on. Think about it this way, do you lust after women who have good game? Or do you lust after women who by their look and the way they act turn you on? A woman is far more likely to show lust for, show interest in and gravitate towards a man who turns her on, regardless of game.

? Wow

 

[edger]

You do realize fate is bullsh1t right? If you don't realize that, you'll just keep thinking all the sh1t happening to you if fate, when it really is your own incompetence and weaknesses that you are simply making excuses for.

Good luck leading a sh1tty life if you want to believe in fate!

I expected a response like this. By the way, of course, some people will make excuses for their incompetency and weaknesses, and instead claim "it's fate"..no doubt about it..and I can definitely see why you would think that..but in my specific case, like I've said, I've ruled out everything under careful scrutiny/observation. I know what good game is and what isn't. And I've learned that through life experience and common sense, and the little that I didn't know that wasn't common sense, I've learned through sites like this. You'll probably continue to believe I'm making excuses for my own incompetency and weaknesses, and I can understand why you'd come to that conclusion. If you walked in my shoes though, you'd see it differently, but you haven't, so, you'll most likely remain at your conclusion.

 

[ketostix]

I actually agree with the OP to a large extent. In 90% of the cases it's nearly impossible to drastically change your success level with the hot girls. I'm not saying it's fate, there most likely is tangible reasons and causes, but there's a lot of things that have been "tested" and basically set in stone by the time a guy is in his mid to late 20's. It's rare that changes in game alone will give anyone a huge leap over what they've been acomplishing throughout their youth.

 

[Luthor Rex]

I actually agree with the OP to a large extent. In 90% of the cases it's nearly impossible to drastically change your success level with the hot girls. I'm not saying it's fate, there most likely is tangible reasons and causes, but there's a lot of things that have been "tested" and basically set in stone by the time a guy is in his mid to late 20's. It's rare that changes in game alone will give anyone a huge leap over what they've been acomplishing throughout their youth.

I would agree with the OP under the condition that by fate he means the man is very ugly. Some people are just born ugly and there's not a whole lot that can be done aside from very expensive plastic surgery (and even then sometimes it's not enough). No amount of inner game can overcome severe ugliness. Like this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lon_chaney_sr.JPG

Ok, that link is makeup... but still there are men out there who are very ugly and there's not a whole lot they can do.

 

[Mr. Me]

edger, you're in NYC if I recall? There was a Village Voice article of how women have wised up to "the Game": http://groups.google.com/group/alt.seduction.fast/msg/1ed905510172e22d

I'd agree with Potato, it's more than having good game (and I don't know if you do). If she likes what she sees though, and I mean physical appearance (according to her preferences, because you could be a 6 to one gal and a 9 to another), body language, wardrobe style, your mannerisms, the way you talk, then "If she likes you, she'll help you".

But thinking that it's "fate" is defeatist thinking. Were that the case, what would be the point of doing or trying anything? Why exercise, if it's your fate to be out of shape? It wouldn't work for you! But it does work, if you do it right. What would be the point of having free will and being able to think and reason and imagine if everything was already predestined for you? You'd be a robot.

But for those who believe in fate, there's this simple test of their belief. Go to the busiest highway in your area and close your eyes. Then, keeping them closed, run across all the lanes. If it's fate that it's your day to die, you'll get struck by a car, but, hey, you were going to die that day anyway. If it's not your day to die, every car will miss you. How strongly do you believe in fate?

 

[azanon]

I'm probably just going to end up reiterating things already said, but the answer to your comments/observations is that you clearly have a misunderstanding as to what's important to women; edgar.

Drawing from laddertheory.com, 50% is money and power. And that has (just about) 0% to do with game. Another 20% (half of the 40% attraction at laddertheory) is looks. That has 0% to do with game.

Competition and Novelity discussed at laddertheory collectively represent 16% in his pie chart (40% of 40%). That would be where game falls into the pie. So if you're nailing (only?) 16% of the total pie, then I presume it is now clear why you could still not be having great success overall.

This gets back into my brief comment I made in that new marriage thread. If you're not genuinely a "great" sum total package man, then you simply cannot expect to be landing equilivently great women. Women might have their flaws, but they can (usually) tell mediocre (or worse) pretenders from the real deal. At best, you can trick them for a ONS with little to no substance, but it will be short-lived.

The men who are going to literally make a slaying are those with real substance AND the tools you can find in the DJ bible. To use an analogy in the market world, there are great products with poor marketting. There are poor products that have great marketing. But wow; how special and effective is a great product with great marketing too!

 

[ER!C L!VE]

So, those of you who are trying hard and have your game pretty tight, don't feel bad. Something else without a doubt has to be at work here. I'm absolutely 100% convinced of it.

Well, girls have the ability to alter their appearance and offer sex to get nearly any guy. They have something to OFFER that most men want: Poosey. They just need to find the right guy to give it to. Do those men 'LOVE' the girl after sex? Does she get what she wants? Sometimes, sometimes not.

Men (very old, very ugly or no game) have the same ability to bang hot girls with what they have to offer: Money. You can PAY to bang a hot girl. Easy, just get money, and find out a way you can pay to get laid (legally) and you're no different than a woman on the prowl IMO. Will the girl 'LOVE' you afterwards? Sometimes, sometimes not.

If one way isn't working for you, change your game plan. Fcuk society and rules - do what works for you.

 

[azanon]

Men (very old, very ugly or no game) have the same ability to bang hot girls with what they have to offer: Money. You can PAY to bang a hot girl. Easy, just get money, and find out a way you can pay to get laid (legally) and you're no different than a woman on the prowl IMO. Will the girl 'LOVE' you afterwards? Sometimes, sometimes not.

For what one opinion is worth, this is the lame/loser's way to use money to get sex. DJs who have money use this power in a far more dignified way that doesn't actually involve you handing her cash and actually conducting a transaction. DJs don't (directly) pay for sex, IMO.

Sex is a very desirable thing. But even it should fall below your pride and dignity in terms of importance.

 

[Phyzzle]

Luck does have a lot to do with it.

You know that 22 year old Lisa Loeb look-alike who works at the local cafe? She's probably not dating a 35 year old neurosurgeon, but rather a guy who works at the same cafe.

The daughters of presidents overwhelmingly tend to marry whatever secret service agent happens to be assigned to them.

Of the 4 highest quality women I've met (looks, wit, loyalty) all 4 were engaged to whatever guys they had started dating in High School.

Models aren't exactly the highest quality women in the world, but who are we kidding, they have their pick of guys. They also tend to date their photographers, just as pop stars tend to date their choreographers (before they go insane on drugs.)

Landing highly desirable women is often a right place, right time sort of deal. But luck can change at any time, and you can boost your luck by putting yourself out there socially (not just sarging.)

 

[ER!C L!VE]

For what one opinion is worth, this is the lame/loser's way to use money to get sex. DJs who have money use this power in a far more dignified way that doesn't actually involve you handing her cash and actually conducting a transaction. DJs don't (directly) pay for sex, IMO.

Sex is a very desirable thing. But even it should fall below your pride and dignity in terms of importance.

It's a means to an end for those who aren't otherwise able to get a hot girl. Is it the only way? No. Do I endorse it as the only way? No. Does it work fast? Yes.

 

[Mr. Me]

Landing highly desirable women is often a right place, right time sort of deal. But luck can change at any time,

That's not "luck", what you've described are "circumstances".

 

[MacAvoy]

It's a means to an end for those who aren't otherwise able to get a hot girl. Is it the only way? No. Do I endorse it as the only way? No. Does it work fast? Yes.

I agree with you Eric but I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that the same thing that is holding said invidivual from getting the HB's is going to hold him back from getting rich.

 

[DavenJuan]

I agree with you Eric but I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that the same thing that is holding said invidivual from getting the HB's is going to hold him back from getting rich.

agreed.

bottom line is this.....

ACCEPT NOTHING... ACTION CONTROLS YOUR FATE

 

[azanon]

It's a means to an end for those who aren't otherwise able to get a hot girl. Is it the only way? No. Do I endorse it as the only way? No. Does it work fast? Yes.

What I'm saying is that if you have this kind of money to throw around, you probably already have what you need to game them in such a way as to also maintain your dignity and self-respect. Sure, if you are a "2" on a 10 scale in terms of looks, or are pushing 70, then maybe paying for it makes sense. But if you're a moderately handsome (or better) 20 to 30 something, please.... don't be this lazy.

There are plenty of mid 20s to early 30s girls absoutely DYING to have a chance at a guy (read: will let you lay them hoping you get hooked) with a great job or a wealthy man and they are more than willing to be forgiving on a great many other things to have this.

Anyone ever watch "bunny ranch" (or whatever its called) that comes on HBO 10PM CST? To me, the guys that come in there exude "rich AFCs". How embarressing to go on live TV and actually admit you just paid 3-4K for 1hr of sex.

 

[Bible_Belt]

As I see it, the three factors that matter are: power/status/money, looks, and game. Having only one or two out of the three, you're still going to get AFC results. To get the most desirable women, you have to touch all three bases.

 

[joekerr31]

As I see it, the three factors that matter are: power/status/money, looks, and game. Having only one or two out of the three, you're still going to get AFC results. To get the most desirable women, you have to touch all three bases.

totally agree. but instead of 'game' id use the word personality or character.

 

[reset]

So basically, if you're not rich, then you're screwed. I think in the context here, power and status and money, we're really talking about money.

So to be successful with women, you need to be rich, be good looking, and have tight game. And you must have all three.

This is exactly why some of my friends have given up on finding girls. They say "I don't have all three" and "what's the point of improving myself if I'm not rich or good looking".