For all of those complaining about your height or weight

[Hamurabimbi]

Attractive men can't just sit back and wait for things to happen. Attractive women can, but not men.

Actually. They can.

 

[CornbreadFed]

We don't know how his face looks like. He normally conveniently leaves that part out. Maybe he has a genetically ugly face or something.

if he’s Anglo Saxon white, he can still get away with an ugly fave being 6ft 4 in some cases.

 

[corrector]

if he’s Anglo Saxon white, he can still get away with an ugly fave being 6ft 4 in some cases.

We dont know how far up on the Nordic scale he looks like. For the record, he never said he was Nordic. Listen, there are gradients of White, and some are more White than others if you are going to go there. If he has an ugly face, does not look Nordic, and could be mistaken for a middle east then that may not work for him.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I've seen plenty of short / heavyset men having no problem getting dates, but the main difference was that they don't care about being short and/or heavyset.

It's like every flaw, if you care, women will care why you care so much. If you don't care, they rarely care. And if they reject you, they are the wrong woman anyway.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

im 6ft 1 and taller than most people, but I get completely overshadowed by anyone taller than 6ft 2 which isn’t uncommon. When you can walk in to any room and have an above 95% chance of being the tallest person, I’d consider that tall.

Don't go to the Netherlands if you're obsessed about your height. At 6'1" you have a 95% of not being the tallest person in the room.

 

[CornbreadFed]

We dont know how far up on the Nordic scale he looks like. For the record, he never said he was Nordic. Listen, there are gradients of White, and some are more White than others if you are going to go there. If he has an ugly face, does not look Nordic, and could be mistaken for a middle east then that may not work for him

Even if he’s Mediterranean or Balkan looking, he could take a hit. TBH, I think men overrate the Nordic look for men and women aren’t as attracted to your Nordic dream hunk as much as we think they are. The safe bet is Anglo-Saxon/British isles origin.

Don't go to the Netherlands if you're obsessed about your height. At 6'1" you have a 95% of not being the tallest person in the room.

I’ve been all over the Netherlands and I never felt short or tall there. TBH, the shortest I ever felt was in Northern Italy for some reason.

 

[pipeman84]

At church this morning, there was a solid 7 female I saw on the communion line. She was probably about 5'3" and 5'4" with her infant child and her 5'5" husband was right behind her.

That doesn't tell us anything, really. What if she's a born again virgin who found Jesus after slvtting around or a woman with a string of failed relationships that left her with worse mental health than she had to start with?

 

[SW15]

im 6ft 1 and taller than most people, but I get completely overshadowed by anyone taller than 6ft 2 which isn’t uncommon. When you can walk in to any room and have an above 95% chance of being the tallest person, I’d consider that tall.

A lot of women, especially White women, have an obsession with 6'0"+. 6'0"-6'1" guys won't get screened out on the swipe apps (whereas anyone 5'11" and under will). With more and more interactions starting on the apps, that helps 6'0"-6'1" men to avoid getting screened out. It's an advantage in the United States to be 6'0"+. 6'2"-6'4" is the ideal.

if he’s Anglo Saxon white, he can still get away with an ugly fave being 6ft 4 in some cases.

Depends how ugly and how much balding. Height + muscles is a great starting point.

Exceptions don't mean anything.

The majority of women refuse to even consider dating a man under 5'8 or so. I don't say this as a bitter man either, I'm above average height, but I recognize my advantage.

It is important for anyone to think based on the common experience and not the outliers/exceptions. The common experience is that men 5'8" and under are generally rejected. At 5'10", I'm not strongly desired either. 5'9" to 5'11" is neutral territory, but 5'11" will be perceived better than 5'9".

 

[corrector]

Even if he’s Mediterranean or Balkan looking, he could take a hit. TBH, I think men overrate the Nordic look for men and women aren’t as attracted to your Nordic dream hunk as much as we think they are. The safe bet is Anglo-Saxon/British isles origin.

Still the point is we don't know anything beyond what he is choosing to share about himself. He only gives a limited amount of information so you can only deduce and speculate that you are not getting the whole story. For example, if things are that bad that he had had to use an escort in the past for experience, despite having the "checkmark" looks qualities, then it means a couple of things: He is only interested in dating 7+ Stacie White women who have tonnes of options and he's coming across as too mediocre to them relative to their other options, or he's omitting certain information where his looks is not as up there as he is claiming he is.

From what he has said, he is limiting himself allot on the dating market by choosing to only going after Stacies. They are going to refuse to date other races of women apart from White (ie even @Hamurabimbi, who is White, has allot of action from ethnic women and he's SHORT). That means he is going to refuse to use any JBW advantage even if he has it (commendable I guess), and he has only a very limited pull on the target women that he is interested in pursuing. He may not be getting his target women because deficiencies in his looks, which would more reflect in unchangables (ie unless he gets plastic surgury) like his face, how much he deviates from the ideal Nordic look and might look Mediterranean/Balkan, etc.... However, I agree with your post, but that only works if you are not just going after 7+ Stacies?

 

[MatureDJ]

I wouldn't say the majority of women refuse to date men under 5'8", but I'd definitely add that the overwhelming majority of women will NOT date a man that is shorter than she is. Women definitely prefer taller men, particularly 6'+, but I don't think this is an issue that most men need to concern themselves with. I see tons of hispanic men that would be considered quite short by white/western standards that are in relationships with attractive hispanic women.

I think I receive a lot of ghosting on trying to arrange the first post-digits meeting because the chicks are thinking, "I kind of remember that he was a bit short".

 

[MatureDJ]

We don't know how his face looks like. He normally conveniently leaves that part out. Maybe he has a genetically ugly face or something.

Yes, it's definitely OVER for GeneticallyUglyFaceCels. A short but cute man does have a little bit of a chance in the kind of "he's cute like my Chihuahua" way.

 

[SW15]

I think I receive a lot of ghosting on trying to arrange the first post-digits meeting because the chicks are thinking, "I kind of remember that he was a bit short".

You arrange the date first, then collect digits. Phone numbers are useless without a specific date planned. Ask for the specific date in person.

If they don't like your height then, the date offer will be rejected.

 

[MatureDJ]

Yes, but if you are under 5'8" all you have to do is find ONE attractive quality woman who doesn't have an issue with it (like the guy I saw in church)

And yet most men can't figure out this "simple" solution to their reproductive problem.

 

[MatureDJ]

You arrange the date first, then collect digits. Phone numbers are useless without a specific date planned. Ask for the specific date in person.

If they don't like your height then, the date offer will be rejected.

Well, I do say, "we should get together". Do you really think that it's OVER for FlexibleScheduleCels?

 

[MatureDJ]

Don't go to the Netherlands if you're obsessed about your height. At 6'1" you have a 95% of not being the tallest person in the room.

Yes, in my travels there, pretty much every woman there that wasn't doing the kamer te huur work mogged the sheet out of me.

 

[SW15]

Well, I do say, "we should get together". Do you really think that it's OVER for FlexibleScheduleCels?

That's not good enough.

My in-field experience shows that it is far better to get the date agreement in person. It lowers the flake rate.

Instead of "we should get together", you end with "I'm going to X place. I'd like for you to join me." This forces her to make a decision. If she likes you, she'll agree to join you. Then, you arrange a time. At the end, you collect her number.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I’m 5’10” I don’t care about women’s height very much, if she’s attractive she just is. I’ve slept with of gals up to 6’ but some how I always end up with 5’3” hunnies, most times. I rather like women that are 5’9 ish too - some care some don’t.

Often when I meet them, I’ll say wow you’re a tall one, I’m going to hold it against you!

With good facials and delivery it always gets a chuckle.

 

[Solomon]

if you are struggling at 6ft 4 then it’s either your approach method or you are targeting the wrong type of women. For example, you are an umbrella salesman in Tucson, Arizona.

If you're 6'4 there is no such thing as the wrong woman. I had a buddy who was 6'2, white guy, had no problem whatsoever with asian, white, black etc. For tall guys the goal is not to be fat, and have a vibe, shouldn't be that hard unless you look like Mr PooPoo in the face lmfao

 

[CornbreadFed]

If you're 6'4 there is no such thing as the wrong woman. I had a buddy who was 6'2, white guy, had no problem whatsoever with asian, white, black etc. For tall guys the goal is not to be fat, and have a vibe, shouldn't be that hard unless you look like Mr PooPoo in the face lmfao

I disagree lol. I think women have strong preferences towards certain men and that they tend to stick to those preferences like glue 90% of the time. One of my fondest memories is seeing 6ft 4 Thor Chads get brutally rejected by Asian women for Asian men under 5ft 9 at a social party lol.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I disagree lol. I think women have strong preferences towards certain men and that they tend to stick to those preferences like glue 90% of the time. One of my fondest memories is seeing 6ft 4 Thor Chads get brutally rejected by Asian women for Asian men under 5ft 9 at a social party lol.

Women can also switch it up if it seems right in the moment. I lost my V-card (she was the initiator) to a girl who’s Type was: ‘Tall, skinny, White long-haired rocker boys.’. Other than being White boy, I met none of those.