Feminist reaction to sosuave

[Wyldfire]

feminists would have nobody to fight against and would cease to exist if not for people like you wayword. Feminism is centered on the belief that the only way women can be equal in society is if they fight with men who try to "hold them back". If no one fights with them they will lose steam and disappear.

 

[Vulpine]

Feminism: It's okay for women to complain long and loud about men, but it's not okay for men to complain about women. In fact, that's another complaint of women - that men have the gall to think there is anything to complain about regarding women.

 

[Desdinova]

If no one fights with them they will lose steam and disappear.

Sounds like today's typical male - female relationship. If the man takes all the bull5hit a woman puts out and then tries to make her happy with a bouquet of flowers, she leaves him.

 

[Vulpine]

*flexing muscles in mirror*

*kisses bicep*

 

[Wyldfire]

Feminism: It's okay for women to complain long and loud about men, but it's not okay for men to complain about women. In fact, that's another complaint of women - that men have the gall to think there is anything to complain about regarding women.

Nope...it's equally pathetic for either men or women to blame everything on the opposite sex. There are individual people (both men and women) who do things that probably warrant a little complaining to let off steam now and then...but demonizing all men or all women for the bad behavior of one person is, well, just stupid.

 

[wayword]

Nope...it's equally pathetic for either men or women to blame everything on the opposite sex. There are individual people (both men and women) who do things that probably warrant a little complaining to let off steam now and then...but demonizing all men or all women for the bad behavior of one person is, well, just stupid.

Wyldfire, which feminist sites are you on telling them how wrong feminism is too?

 

[Wyldfire]

Sounds like today's typical male - female relationship. If the man takes all the bull5hit a woman puts out and then tries to make her happy with a bouquet of flowers, she leaves him.

Des...people in interpersonal relationships have issues sometimes...men and women, women and women, men and men...and NO ONE should allow themselves to be treated like crap. That should be a given. Why can't people deal with each person based on who that one person is instead of bashing and hating on an entire group?

People are going to fuss and fight with other people...they did that long before feminism existed and they will still do it long after. Feminism/Masculism has nothing to do with anything...it's nothing more than a mechanism to make excuses for not dealing with your own sheeit by placing the blame on the opposite sex.

 

[Wyldfire]

Let's not forget that Wyldfire has openly bragged about being an expert Yahoo troll for YEARS.

Which is like bragging about being a loseur? :crackup:

Anyhow, she is thus obviously well-versed in troll tactics. I can tell she is indeed a highly manipulative spin doctor with her every lame post but can see through all that BS.

Case-in-point - she claims she is not a feminist, yet tries to wholly discredit MEN'S RIGHTS as "victimhood." Instead, she urges us to stop resisting feminism and it will simply disappear on its own without resistance.

YEA GEE, that tactic sure has worked well over the last 50 years!!!! F'n idiot!

This POS is actually WORSE than an admitted feminist - because she is an undercover "concern troll" as you say who is trying to covertly subvert our whole movement here.

I was a troll on Yahoo with my best friend who passed away. That's how we met...pissing off feminists on the message boards there. We were quite good, too. I haven't done that for many years, though.

I see BOTH feminism AND masculism as tools used to encourage the embracing of victimhood. I don't take sides on the issue because I think the "fight" is retarded, pointless and is damaging to everyone involved in it.

 

[Wyldfire]

Wyldfire, which feminist sites are you on telling them how wrong feminism is too?

I don't visit any such sites. For a couple of years I ran my own Gender Issues Forum that got thousands of posts and visits each day. I opened it because I saw that everytime men tried to argue with feminists they would get censored, deleted or banned. I thought that was unfair so I created a place where men and women could debate gender issues without censorship, could say exactly what they felt and thought without one side being able to silence the other. I was 100% fair and impartial. I never banned anyone. Only death threats and the posting of personal information and illegal material was deleted. It was a lot of work and in the end, all the people who posted there grew to not only understand each other better, but they actually began to LIKE each other, form friendships and change their overall opinions of each other as people. It was a very successful project. I got burned out from it, though...and I turned it over to someone else to run and although they tried their best, they just weren't as good at keeping up with making sure people didn't break those very few rules. The site got deleted because someone new posted all kinds of pictures of women being killed. It's too bad, because it was a great forum where feminists and masculists could argue their points of view on equal footing.

 

[wayword]

I don't visit any such sites.

I was 100% fair and impartial.

Right, just like you are here? :crackup:

Anyhow, you are anything BUT "fair and impartial" if you continually post on this site trying to keep us from fighting for our fair rights...but don't do the same on a feminist site lecturing THEM on the evils of feminism (where it's REALLY needed).

If anything, fair would be the reverse - since feminism is already so deeply-entrenched, well-funded and 10,000X more powerful than our grass-roots scene here.

YOUR HOMEWORK assignment then - is to preach to your own sisters about the evils and inequities of feminism. Hop to it and put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Rovalier]

I am not sure that inaction/passivity will make feminism stop. But showing you can have a good life outside feminist/matriarchal ideals will produce better and more convincing results. Pook's Blog talked about this in detail.

http://dapook.blogspot.com/2006/07/pooks-ten-commandments-vs-way.html

This month, I'll be putting out 'ten commandments' that have provided great clarity for my life. These 'commandments' are simple and will counter the 'The Way'.

"But Monsieur Pook, speak truly. What is this thing you call... The Way?"

The Way is the default life most men revolve around. The Way is routinely celebrated and held up as the only Way.

The Way consists of the following:

-Go to school. Get good grades. Do the senior prom, go to school dances, give a girl your high school class ring, and garbage like that.

-Go to college. Get even more good grades. Participate with the campus activities, especially the feminist ones. Celebrate the Vagina Monologues. Become a magina and write against evil patriarchy and how women need more rights and security.

-Get a job, not in something you like, but in something that provides security. Make money by working harder.

-Meet a girl, fall in love, and marry her. Participate in the elaborate wedding and the honeymoon to a place you didn't choose.

-Buy a big house because of the expectation of kids.

-Once married, the other married guys show you how the system works by showing you the home improvement activities you now get to engage on. Yes, you get to go buy hammers and screws to continually improve the house. Lawn care, house care, car care, yes, your purpose is to maintain this physical shelter and make it look 'acceptable'.

-Have a kid or two. Wife gets fat and cuts her hair. You must accept this. You will now work harder and be forced to get promoted due to the rising costs. You have become the wage slave.

-Keep doing this for decades until your soul evaporates. As your body breaks down (it will at this fast pace), let your wife play the role as the 'nurse' as you begin to make continual trips to the hospital.

-Die.

Sound fun? It certainly doesn't sound appealing to me. Keep in mind that I am not knocking college, good grades, children, home improvement, and all that. What I am knocking is the pre-formulated life. This 'default' view is life in the Matriarchy. And this is if you are lucky and were not divorced.

While life in the Matriarchy as a metrosexualized man holds little joy and much neuterization, the Men's Movement has dropped the ball by not offering any optimistic alternatives. The bewildered young male sees, with very open eyes, the gloom and doom of The Way in the Matriachial System. But the alternatives are... more gloom and doom! "Society is set to collapse!" these old farts say.

What is the result? The young man becomes depressed. Some turn to suicide. Why should anyone be surprised? If one read depressing bitter posts and articles day after day, who wouldn't be depressed? What you read so shall you think.

We have given young men two sets of doom: the hell of The Way and the hell of the so-called 'upcoming societal collapse'. But there is another way. A way of hope.

Men Going Their Own Way is not an entitlement for sloth and righteousness. It is an opportunity to live. Freed from the shackles, we get the chance to actually have life. Do men trapped in the Matriachy have that opportunity? No! Treat it as the greatest gift ever bestowed upon you. It truly is the gift of life.

The best means of persuasion for young men is to not show how EVIL the Matriarchy is but rather show how GOOD it is to be a man going his own way. In a political election, candidates do not win by saying their candidate is SO EVIL that he must be voted against. Rather, the candidate must show WHY people ought to vote for him. This is true in business. You sell your product by showing why it is good, not by showing why your competitor's product is EVIL.

Young men, who are standing on the thresh-hold of life, are being taught to peer into someone's abyss. Youth, like fruit, can be sweet or bitter depending on how and when you pluck it. "But you cannot know the sweet without knowing the bitter." Yet, how many of you would eat rotten fruit to illustrate that? You don't because you know it isn't healthy.

This is the same. And you can identify the good tree from the rest because only it will grow the good fruit. Keep this in mind when you read more acidic rants (from anyone).

 

[Kev07]

I don't think wyldfire is trying to preach not to fight feminism (but for that matter, why should we care what feminists think)

I think wyldfire is just trying to say that this site has degraded a lot in the past few years.

 

[Falcon]

Not surprisingly, we are frightening and scary to them. I think the woman who wrote this article even described the ideas on this site as being 'borderline rapist'.

http://girlyshoetheory.blogspot.com/2007/01/personal-feminism-vs-academic-feminism.html

I laughed when I read the article. Not only did the feminist woman find Pook, she happened to stumble on his "feminism on trial" article lol

The last sentence in her post is priceless...

But for these guys with mistaken sexual identity, a place like sosuave might seem to be the place to learn to conquer those women that they HATE because women won't date them. It's no answer, it just makes all the problems we have worse. Living in a woman's body doesn't make me want to work less, doesn't make me want to raise a family more (my SO is far more interested in that than I am at this point in time), and doesn't make me stupider dammit. Oh yeah, it also doesn't make me automatically a "hor."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Wyldfire]

Right, just like you are here? :crackup:

Anyhow, you are anything BUT "fair and impartial" if you continually post on this site trying to keep us from fighting for our fair rights...but don't do the same on a feminist site lecturing THEM on the evils of feminism (where it's REALLY needed).

If anything, fair would be the reverse - since feminism is already so deeply-entrenched, well-funded and 10,000X more powerful than our grass-roots scene here.

YOUR HOMEWORK assignment then - is to preach to your own sisters about the evils and inequities of feminism. Hop to it and put your money where your mouth is.

I am fair and impartial when I am on a Gender Issues forum. This is NOT a site for men's or women's rights. This is a site for dating advice and support. There are hundreds of men's rights website on the internet. If the guys here want to discuss men's rights they can visit a men's rights site. This is a dating advice site and the focus should not be on gender issues. That's why I oppose people like you on this site. You guys don't ever talk about dating. All you ever do is complain about feminism.

 

[Wyldfire]

I don't think wyldfire is trying to preach not to fight feminism (but for that matter, why should we care what feminists think)

I think wyldfire is just trying to say that this site has degraded a lot in the past few years.

You're very correct...

The place to discuss and/or fight feminism is on men's rights websites, not on sosuave.

 

[Vulpine]

Funny that she used the expression "these guys with mistaken sexual identity". The other day I was mulling over the fact that I can cook, iron, sew, and have a cleaner home than any woman I've EVER dated.

Is it any wonder how I could potentially be mistaken?

Then I catch myself cleaning the dirt out from underneath my fingernails... Damn it! I have longer fingernails than the last, oh, 15-20 women I've dated! How is it that I can wrench around under the hood of a car, screw around in the woods trapping, weld up a bunch of stuff, etc, etc. and still manage to have fingernails whereas a woman who need only "bring home the bacon/fry it up in a pan" can't?

Oh, let's discuss "mistaken sexual identity", shall we?

 

[A-Unit]

Re;

1. What was the point of this whole thread to begin with? Oh yeah, all SS threads lately find their way down this rabbit hole, denigrated and off topic, rather than pointing toward any real resolution or broaded spectrum of thinking.

2. If you came to SoSuave, you're wise enough to people in general, not just feminists. The Rocky Balboa speech, albeit a fake character, is on the money about the victim complex infecting everyone, even SS.com. If you're here, you're wise enough NOT to accept crap from people, AND, to roll with the punches. If you're not, then you swallowed the pill, but hate what reality presents because you're too weak to handle it, and therefore, your genes will be washed away, in your belief-infested sea of feminists, never to procreate due to your own internal bitterness toward human life.

3. Do these statistics impact your life on a Microeconomic scale? Life isn't perfect, and the responsibility of coordinating life has always fallen on a few, select people to make it more right than not. I hear about divorce rates, baby birth rates, etc, but what's the big deal? You're aware not, be happy you're not one of them, and most of you are still young. You can't create in someone else's reality. Moreover, if it happens to you, roll with it. Living life encompasses change. There's no guarantee in life, only possibility.

4. YOUR reality is YOUR reality. Hence why PUA tactics alone won't cure you, or any other afflictions of mass society. And who cares about mass society? If mass society was perfect, nobody would be here. It isn't. Get over it. I realize Pook writes very eloquently, but there are MANY marriages NOT operating from the vantage he speaks of. I wonder if he has experienced that first hand and writes from a realist standpoint, or one of only theory and conjecture. The FAULT in a BAD marriage lies not in the woman, BUT in the MAN who abides by such stupid demands. If she makes excessive demands, do you know the word NO? Can you stand up for yourself? And if she threatens divorce SO BE IT! Do you honestly want a drama queen who's going to pull the Ultimate Card on you, when it's only a minor or incidental situation?

What I hear guys saying is...WAAAAAAAA....Then, WE WANT THE PERFECT, HARMLESS, LIFELESS, LOVING WOMAN. Basically, a harem from which to pick from. If you want that, GO get it. But don't get pissed because American women don't fit the bill. It isn't your loss. It's THEIR's. Let them push their agenda on whomever. Control YOUR reality and everything in it.

I had a client who was "afraid" of making noise in his town, despite loving his property. He operates a small home based business, wants to expend his home slight, and wants to register his burgeoning business. However, he's "afraid" that small town America might kill his American Dream and the land he loves. That's a catch-22. On the one hand, he LOVES this land, YET, the land he LOVES won't let him do and be what he wants. Misguided love, wouldn't ya say?

Yet, men do that everyday! They LOVE her, then let her get away with stuff they don't respect, YET wonder why she repeats the process IN THE FUTURE. It's like training your dog to piss in the same spot by not training them RIGHT. Actions speak louder than words, so even if you say "this pissed me off," without RIGHT action, it's meaningless, because OVER time nobody respects a person who doesn't act buy only talks.

You WANT to MELT feminism, then don't FOCUS on fighting or living up to its principles or expectations, or even being its enemy, BE your own example. I've written on that alot. If you only go as far as to MATCH wits with it, you're setting a LOW bar example. HOWEVER, if you go, as a man, making yourself as the SUPREME example, what wouldn't MELT at your presence? Maybe not every woman, but the birthing process isn't perfect, so we'll get a few r-tards thrown in there.

Thing is, you guys are way over focusing on building this NEGATIVE mindset through and through, yet you don't realize you're excluding the women who don't fit the feminism stereotype.

And the famous quote, as I'm from a big city...

You can take the girl out of the Ghetto, but you can't take the Ghetto out of the Girl...

You can take the girl out of feminism, but you can't take the feminism out of the girl.

MOVE on. Find a better woman. Foreign autopart makers AREN't the only make and model. There are local models (American made), though in shorter supply, driving up demand. So what? Be a better MAKE of AMERICAN MAN so you're on par with what you're asking. GOOD AMERICAN men are hard to find. Just because you're an AMERICAN guy, who can make ABOVE the average for the world in income doesn't mean....

-You treat the woman right
-You do your responsibilities as a man
-You're honorable, noble, or worthy of praise

Big WHOOP, American Guys, by virtue of being BORN and RAISED in the currently most prosperous nation can basically PICK who they want to date and from what country. Place those SAME guys in other countries, SANS the money, and they'd fail. Their whiny, blame-everyone-else attitude would get them shot and killed, or hungry and starving. Women would dump them immediately because they're shallower than the kiddie pool. At best, they have surface knowledge of TONS of minial things, like cars, or local politics, or local criminal events, but are no deeper than a puddle found on a rainy day. And they wonder why the women they seek only match themselves, yet brush up against the mirror to see the true problem.

Cry me a river, America.

Good luck to all the guys who've escaped the booby trap otherwise.

And Lay of Wyldfire, beginning a post like this only to divert attacks at the few feminine posters we have is not only childish and immature, but provides a lucid example of WHY feminism keeps cropping it's head up...

A-Unit

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Good post A-Unit.

At SOME point, we ALL have to realize that you can only complain about the grass growing in somebody ELSE's yard for only SO long.

And after that, you have to realize that the first step to having a well-groomed neighborhood is done by making the quality decision to cut YOUR OWN damm yard first.

March on.

 

[Wyldfire]

Okay...I finally went and read the blog post that has so many people all worked up. I thought she actually sounded like she wanted to understand where guys are coming from...but felt insulted and offended by the things she read. Her critique was actually very mild compared to some that I've seen, and far milder than a lot of the things I see here posted about women. Those who were bothered by her blog post...you are experiencing the same exact thing a woman experiences when she happens upon this site and sees a lot of what is written here.

Personally, I just think it would be a heck of a lot more productive if people just focused on bettering themselves instead of complaining about things they have no control over or power to change.

Okies...I have to go study for a Sociology exam on stratification, gender and age...oh joy.

 

[SmoothTalker]

Basically she just doesn't understand this site, though she really should put in a little more effort. The scary part is though, she's a teacher according to her profile. Guess what her students are going to be taught?

And the cycle continues.