Feminist media frenzy over philandering politicians

[wayword]

The news of Gov Spitzer (NY) being caught paying for a prostitute has been getting a lot of play recently. I just caught segment on the network news that asked why the wives (always accomplished women, blah blah) of these men (i.e., Spitzer, Senator Vitter of LA, former POTUS Clinton, etc.) stick around.

My being a member of this community, the answer was clear:

Women want men that other women want (or alternatively, men that can get other women.)

Because women will do anything to get what they want.

In this case, they want the power, wealth and political connections their hubbies have.

Whereas if they were just Joe Averages, these women would be byching their heads off about them!

So, you can see the immense leverage that high status gives you with women. Women CHANGE THEIR RULES depending on your value to them. And the more valuable you are to them, the more you can get away with. The less valuable you are to them - they will nitpick you to death even if you act like the ultimate supplicating saint...

 

[DJDamage]

Probably the wife is simply keeping up appearances for her own agenda. Either for her political career (like Hillary) or for money, or something else. For Spitzer, by the body language of the wife, I'd say she'll divorce him once all this dies down.

I agree.

You can tell alot by a person's body language after watching the press conference today of Spitzer resignation. She was somewhat distant and quiet but inside she was probably boiling and I can tell that the wheels are in motions for the termination of her marriage. She is just putting a facade until the her lawyers get their case organised and then she will rape him in court.

When Kobe cheated on his wife, you could tell she wouldn't leave him and to this day she hasn't.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Check out this clip from the Today Show. Even though people rag on Dr. Laura, I've been impressed over the last few years with her beliefs about how relationships can be sustained.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23573159#23573159

 

[ketostix]

Because women will do anything to get what they want.

In this case, they want the power, wealth and political connections their hubbies have.

Whereas if they were just Joe Averages, these women would be byching their heads off about them!

So, you can see the immense leverage that high status gives you with women. Women CHANGE THEIR RULES depending on your value to them. And the more valuable you are to them, the more you can get away with. The less valuable you are to them - they will nitpick you to death even if you act like the ultimate supplicating saint...

This is so true and it was the basis of my thread of why women will always be at the advantage. Nowadays, it's just as easy for a woman to obtain wealth and status, yet they still continue to raise the bar for men to have even more weath and status than them. I'm not saying you are or aren't in agreement with my other thread, I'm just saying it was a good explaination for my basis.

 

[ketostix]

I see the hypocrisy argument/sentiment you're coming from, but take a look at his entire record first. For starters, take a look at this section on his Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#Work_as_Attorney_General

I was making a point by saying that it breaks my heart to see such an accomplished politician end his career in such a tragic way. Keep in mind that tragedy here isn't that his career is ending, the tragedy is that he decided to do something unethical and illegal.

At the end of it all, I always ask myself: How would I like to be him right now? How would I like it to see my entire legacy burn down in flames over something so....what's the word, ridiculous?

Do you see where I'm coming from, ketostix and Latinoman?

Yes I get your point and I don't particular feel happy that he was brought down like that over this. I don't agree with it. He probably did some good like you suggest. But my understanding is he was pretty merciless in going after others even for things like prostititution. So I also loathe politicians and the like that pass thses laws and enforce them mercilessly yet are hypocritically enganging in the same behavior. So to me it's worse than a preacher telling people to live "clean" while he's using drugs and prostitutes. It's the same do as I say not as I do thing, but at least his hypocrisy wasn't exactly prosecuting others.

 

[cordoncordon]

some of you guys crack me up. On one thread started last week where the wife "may" have cheated, but we dont really know, and at best went to and from a club with a guy, you guys are all about the husband divorcing her, but on this thread, where WE KNOW the guy cheated, with a prostitute no less, some of you are saying she should stay with him or if she doesnt she has her own 'agenda". And some of you are even blaming the governors wife!!

I'm all for defending men, but wow some of you are so biased it really is sad.

 

[ketostix]

some of you guys crack me up. On one thread started last week where the wife "may" have cheated, but we dont really know, and at best went to and from a club with a guy, you guys are all about the husband divorcing her, but on this thread, where WE KNOW the guy cheated, with a prostitute no less, some of you are saying she should stay with him or if she doesnt she has her own 'agenda". And some of you are even blaming the governors wife!!

I'm all for defending men, but wow some of you are so biased it really is sad.

And weren't there other people saying that they didn't believe the wife cheated but even if she had it was his fault and he should stay with her and fix it? I still say you're comparing apples and oranges. A man cheating, especially with a prostitute, is rarely the same meaning as a woman cheating. Besides in that other case they didn't just drive to a club and back. She spent time with the guy, about 8 hrs that night, before the club, during the club and after the club, among other things like calls and time in class. Besides for all we know Spitzer and his wife had an agreement that this was OK. We know this isn't the case in the other situation.

 

[cordoncordon]

And weren't there other people saying that they didn't believe the wife cheated but even if she had it was his fault and he should stay with her and fix it? I still say you're comparing apples and oranges. A man cheating, especially with a prostitute, is rarely the same meaning as a woman cheating. Besides in that other case they didn't just drive to a club and back. She spent time with the guy, about 8 hrs that night, before the club, during the club and after the club, among other things like calls and time in class. Besides for all we know Spitzer and his wife had an agreement that this was OK. We know this isn't the case in the other situation.

I don't think anyone said that if for sure the wife had sex with the guy (in the other thread) that he should stay with her. If they did say that they are crazy.

IMO this is exactly the same as the guys wife in the other thread. Actually worse. The guys wife in the other thread had a fight with her husband that day, was overwhelmed from the stesses of a new born, hadnt been taken out in a while by her husband, and it was a spur of the moment thing from what I could tell done by a young women at age 23 who sounded like she just did an impulsive thing.

This guy (the Governor) had to plan this out as far as changing money from his accounts to pay for this, plan to get a hotel room, plan to avoid his security detail when he went to her room, not to mention)-IT WAS ILLEGAL!! And he's the freaking Governor who has campaigned against this very sort of corruption his entire political life! But you think its ok? Oh my!!

As far as them having an agreement saying this was ok? I think you are really reaching there.

 

[ketostix]

I don't think anyone said that if for sure the wife had sex with the guy (in the other thread) that he should stay with her. If they did say that they are crazy.

IMO this is exactly the same as the guys wife in the other thread. Actually worse. The guys wife in the other thread had a fight with her husband that day, was overwhelmed from the stesses of a new born, hadnt been taken out in a while by her husband, and it was a spur of the moment thing from what I could tell done by a young women at age 23 who sounded like she just did an impulsive thing.

This guy (the Governor) had to plan this out as far as changing money from his accounts to pay for this, plan to get a hotel room, plan to avoid his security detail when he went to her room, not to mention)-IT WAS ILLEGAL!! And he's the freaking Governor who has campaigned against this very sort of corruption his entire political life! But you think its ok? Oh my!!

As far as them having an agreement saying this was ok? I think you are really reaching there.

I never said it was OK for the Governor, I said it was at least as bad and probably worse in the other situation. And "Charlie" did say that. And one or to others just simply refused to believe she cheated and said similar things: justifying the girl and blaming the husband. I just totally disagree with you, simple as that.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Check out this clip from the Today Show. Even though people rag on Dr. Laura, I've been impressed over the last few years with her beliefs about how relationships can be sustained.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23573159#23573159

absolutely, Dr. Laura says, "Women should not 'starve out' their men" or these kind of things just happen. She's saying that we need validation, like our mothers gave us from birth, and that validating their man does not even cross women's minds these days. Women are g@y. G@ys are selfish.

[Edit]

Here's that Kristen chick he paid 15,000 over 31 days for:
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,3545,00.html#8_0
http://www.236.com/news/2008/03/11/thought_process_flowchart_elio_5065.php

 

[Stavrogin]

Imagine how it must feel to be Spitzer's wife. She was pretty cute. Talk about feeling rejected: Spitzer could've boned her every day for free but instead chose to spend $80,000 on "high class" prostitutes.

 

[MatureDJ]

absolutely, Dr. Laura says, "Women should not 'starve out' their men" or these kind of things just happen. She's saying that we need validation, like our mothers gave us from birth, and that validating their man does not even cross women's minds these days. Women are g@y. G@ys are selfish.

Dr. Laura would always say tell wives that don't feel like having sex anymore, "you put out because you love him."

 

[wayword]

Here's that Kristen chick he paid 15,000 over 31 days for:
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,3545,00.html#8_0
http://www.236.com/news/2008/03/11/thought_process_flowchart_elio_5065.php

What a joke.

Spitzer is a total AFC to have to pay for sex to begin with - especially such exorbitant amounts.

And the criminalization of prostitution in this country has created ridiculous price-gouging. I mean, this 2-bit psycho runaway who is maybe an HB5.5, 6 tops - costs into the thousands???

WTF???

You can get a legitimate supermodel-looking babe in Amsterdam for 50 Euros!!!

Now you know why feminists are so entrenched against prostitution or foreign brides. Because it busts their monopoly on sex and greatly lowers its cost for men. How many men would still be sucking up so hard to women if they could rent centerfold-quality hoz for $50 a pop?

 

[Luthor Rex]

Imagine how it must feel to be Spitzer's wife. She was pretty cute. Talk about feeling rejected: Spitzer could've boned her every day for free but instead chose to spend $80,000 on "high class" prostitutes.

You assume he could have banged his wife for free.

Too many men seem to think that married = all the sex you want.

Plenty of married men will tell you: less sex happens AFTER marriage.

 

[Phyzzle]

And the criminalization of prostitution in this country has created ridiculous price-gouging. I mean, this 2-bit psycho runaway who is maybe an HB5.5, 6 tops - costs into the thousands???

LOL, "6, tops" that always irks me.

Take a closer look at these: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/245165/

Except for the big Italian jawbone you often see in the New York area, she's basically a flawless model of female hotness.

 

[Latinoman]

Check out this clip from the Today Show. Even though people rag on Dr. Laura, I've been impressed over the last few years with her beliefs about how relationships can be sustained.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23573159#23573159

She is also a hypocrite. I cannot stand her. I used to listen to her and found something very odd about her moralistic behavior. So, I started to do research and found so much crap that made me stop listening to her.

- She cheated on her first husband.
- She broke up the marriage of this guy that ended up becoming her second husband
- Lived with him while unmarried, and intentionally got herself pregnant before she even married him

She was never on the receiving end of cheating. She was either cheating on her husband or stealing another woman's husband.

The issue here is that she also preach of lot of moralistic stuff. While her naked pictures are all over the internet.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Spitzer's prostitute says, "I love who I am" on her myspace page...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/13/spitzer.kristen/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

If this stuff was legal, do you think that she would be so confident and love who she was? No I say, because the going rates would be much thinner and she'd be dirt poor, susceptible to tax evasion etc etc.

 

[Latinoman]

More pictures.

Spitzer’s Wife RECENT Photo
http://blog.nj.com/fashiontoday/2008/03/large_clothes1.jpg

Spitzer’s Hooker (alleged) Photos
http://images.salon.com/tech/machinist/blog/2008/03/12/spitzer_myspace/story.jpg

http://www.streetinsider.com/images/news/3454683/resize_l_120c40421e6c13ad692f4f2a8643a213.jpg

Funny thing is that edger created a thread saying he would "pork" Spitzer's wife. And this is a 27 year old man. He "porks" Spitzer's wife...but NOT the 22-year-old hooker? Hahaha.

 

[azanon]

Let me make some things clear. I believe prostitution should be legalized.

Having said that... here is my opinion on the Gov Spitzer situation.

3- He made his fame out of Prosecuting (as a District Attorney) men for doing the exact same thing. His current actions makes him a hypocrite.

I don't necessarily agree this makes him a hypocrite.

Assuming the only cases he prosecuted were these types (I don't know, I'm taking your word for it); that he did so only indicates a couple of definite presumtions: He was doing it because it was his occupation (he was paid), and because he is simply enforcing a law that was both created by and passed by parties besides himself.

Traffic policement enforce speeding laws, but it is commonplace to witness them speeding themselves either in their patrol car or off duty. If I call them a hypocrite for doing so, then I am assuming that they agree with the law because they're enforcing the law. It is incorrect, naive, and short-sighted to assume that enforcers of passed laws must also agree with them; from any point of view including morally. Calling them hypocrites is sort of like shooting the messenger (of sorts) in a way.

My guess is he is aware of the law and was always cognizant of the risks of breaking the law. Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily even have to enter the picture here. He probably always believed, "if you do the crime, you might have to do the time." Perhaps he has always known that this applies to both those he's prosecuting and himself as well.

 

[Latinoman]

I don't necessarily agree this makes him a hypocrite.

Assuming the only cases he prosecuted were these types (I don't know, I'm taking your word for it); that he did so only indicates a couple of definite presumtions: He was doing it because it was his occupation (he was paid), and because he is simply enforcing a law that was both created by and passed by parties besides himself.

Traffic policement enforce speeding laws, but it is commonplace to witness them speeding themselves either in their patrol car or off duty. If I call them a hypocrite for doing so, then I am assuming that they agree with the law because they're enforcing the law. It is incorrect, naive, and short-sighted to assume that enforcers of passed laws must also agree with them; from any point of view including morally. Calling them hypocrites is sort of like shooting the messenger (of sorts) in a way.

My guess is he is aware of the law and was always cognizant of the risks of breaking the law. Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily even have to enter the picture here. He probably always believed, "if you do the crime, you might have to do the time." Perhaps he has always known that this applies to both those he's prosecuting and himself as well.

They were not the only cases he was prosecuting. The point I'm trying to make is that he was not just enforcing the law. He was actually VERY VICIOUS...he went after people to DESTROY them. He did fight against big corporations and he was indeed a very efficient DA. But he was VICIOUS...he was ALWAYS in front of the cameras when prosecuting.

But when you VICIOUSLY enforce the law (going to television and preaching about it)...and then go out and break it. That makes you a hypocrite.