Fat dudes/ugly guys DON'T get attractive women

[comic_relief]

you know what impresses me about threads like this.

They grow so big so fast and yet nothing ever gets said, almost like penis threads, masterbation threads, and American women are terrible threads.

A lot is said, but at the same time nothing is said.

It makes me laugh. I feel that they are all pointless threads because nothing is ever said. Too many generalities and not enough advice, meanwhile people asking for advice are just ignored.

- comic_relief

 

[The Message Boy]

I agree with comic. I sort of tried to start a discussion here but no one really paid any attention lol.

I guess I will reframe my questions.

You have on one side guys saying that looks don't matter as much as inner game, then on the other side you have guys saying that looks are the stepping stone and the end all be all almost-with inner game just being the side thing.

Basically, one side says inner game is the main thing and the other says looks is the main thing.

Here's my questions:

1.) Wouldn't BOTH be as equally important? If I look very good but have the inner game the quality of a 8th grade virgin, would not I TURN OFF the girls that are attracted to my looks?

2.) What constitutes "good looks" on a guy? When you say a guy needs to have "good looks" what are you talking about? Are you talking about good looks as in good grooming, clothing style, relatively good average/fit build, things like that, or are you talking about good looks as in Brad Pitt facial features and 2% body fat with an 8 pack of abs and also a six figure job, a big house, and a big car? What constitutes good looks on a guy? I would think it's just a guy that basically isn't a loser in life, has his own place, a decent looking car, good grooming, good clothing style, and a good/average build, but am I missing someting?

 

[nismo-4]

I agree with comic. I sort of tried to start a discussion here but no one really paid any attention lol.

Debate, discussion, same thing!

I guess I will reframe my questions.

You have on one side guys saying that looks don't matter as much as inner game, then on the other side you have guys saying that looks are the stepping stone and the end all be all almost-with inner game just being the side thing.

Those who say looks don't matter have been deluded into thinking that an ugly guy who isn't rich or famous can pull hot babes. These PUA's are giving out false hope to desperate men!

Basically, one side says inner game is the main thing and the other says looks is the main thing.

Goddammit! Looks get you in the door. If you can't get in the door and the girl won't give you a chance, using inner game and your sparkling personality will be useless.

Here's my questions:

1.) Wouldn't BOTH be as equally important? If I look very good but have the inner game the quality of a 8th grade virgin, would not I TURN OFF the girls that are attracted to my looks?

I hope you're not stupid enough to tell the girls you're a virgin. If you looked good, the attraction process would go much faster and you'd have to be a dummy to screw up. Looks matter more bro.

2.) What constitutes "good looks" on a guy? When you say a guy needs to have "good looks" what are you talking about? Are you talking about good looks as in good grooming, clothing style, relatively good average/fit build, things like that, or are you talking about good looks as in Brad Pitt facial features and 2% body fat with an 8 pack of abs and also a six figure job, a big house, and a big car? What constitutes good looks on a guy? I would think it's just a guy that basically isn't a loser in life, has his own place, a decent looking car, good grooming, good clothing style, and a good/average build, but am I missing someting?

(In Chris Tucker's voice) Me and Duffdog know damn well that having a decent car and average build will get you an average chick. That's how it naturally works. If you looked like Brad Pitt with 2% bodyfat and a 8-pack and a 7+ figures in the bank and drove a Bentley Continental GTC (one of my favorite cars) and a million dollar mansion, you'll be pulling beautiful and classy and golddigging women all day and all night! And you know this, man! Get all of these things (not a riced Honda Accord that was rejected from The Fast And The Furious) and watch how fast women come to you. Not only that, you'll have no problem keeping them and an easier time dumping them, and you can easily get someone better who's not a hooker or an escort! And you know this, man!

Read betw, oh, you know what to do already.

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[ovd]

Hello all, this is my first post in here.


"I'm fat, what can i do?" many people have this problem and I want to help.



-stop eating junk food, sweets...
-stop eating fat meat, salami, sausage...

-eat daily fruits and vegetables
-change your life, eat good food, educate yourself in this (you can start from here rawfoodexplained.com)

(do not buy all the **** that you see on tv or on the internet to lose fat it will not help you)

-start running, once in two days (do this all the time) will be hard the first weeks but your body will get used to it.
-the first 1-4 times run 5-10 minutes without stop, after 10 min of running the last 100 meters run as fast you can, push it hard feel you body burning.
-then try go for more 10-20min, 20-30min, 30-40min and more up to an hour of running.


do not f**king give up after one month if you don't see any results, push it hard no mather what.

believe me you will start feel great, the girls will love you, just do it, you don't have nothing to lose and you will not regret it, you will thank me.


think positive.



(if you have serious medial problems contact a doctor before you start running)

 

[Belmar2009]

I mean; you do see some fat guys with attractive women sometimes; but most likely:


1.) They have been dating a long time and he did not always look that way

2.) He has money

3.) the woman has low self esteem......


I was in Chicago this past weekend and noticed the same thing as usual:

Most out of shape looking guys were walking around with out of shape looking women.


Good looks will ALWAYS trump everything else.


The GQ Model looking garbage man probably still gets hot chicks.


THe good news is; with diet/exercise and/or liposuction, weight loss surgery, facial implants, hair transplant surgery orthodontics, corrective jaw surgery, cosmetic dentistry, dentofacial orthopedics...etc, etc, .......JUST ABOUT ANYONE CAN LOOK GOOD IF THEY HAVE THE DESIRE AND FEEL LIKE SPENDING SOME MONEY>

 

[zekko]

They have been dating a long time and he did not always look that way

That's a good possibility. It's fairly common that when a couple get married and they get content one, or both, will often get fat.

 

[Duffdog]

I agree with comic. I sort of tried to start a discussion here but no one really paid any attention lol.

I guess I will reframe my questions.

You have on one side guys saying that looks don't matter as much as inner game, then on the other side you have guys saying that looks are the stepping stone and the end all be all almost-with inner game just being the side thing.

Basically, one side says inner game is the main thing and the other says looks is the main thing.

Here's my questions:

1.) Wouldn't BOTH be as equally important? If I look very good but have the inner game the quality of a 8th grade virgin, would not I TURN OFF the girls that are attracted to my looks?

2.) What constitutes "good looks" on a guy? When you say a guy needs to have "good looks" what are you talking about? Are you talking about good looks as in good grooming, clothing style, relatively good average/fit build, things like that, or are you talking about good looks as in Brad Pitt facial features and 2% body fat with an 8 pack of abs and also a six figure job, a big house, and a big car? What constitutes good looks on a guy? I would think it's just a guy that basically isn't a loser in life, has his own place, a decent looking car, good grooming, good clothing style, and a good/average build, but am I missing someting?

In answer to your questions, its fairly easy to tell what makes a male attractive to a female. Think of it this way; when a guy looks at a dating site, what do we do? We simply look at all the pictures and assign a "hot" or "not hot" value to the girl. We males don't really care what is written on the profile unless the girl is hot to begin with. Most of the time, we completely disregard the avg or ugly girls as even existing in the first place.

Now here is the big shocker you were looking for:...girls do exactly the same thing! But then, after they filter guys out by facial looks, they then do body type, height and in some cases, income. If you are really bored, you can set up two profiles for free on plentyoffish-- one with an athletic male and one with an "unfortunate" male pictures. Be sure to make everything in the description section exactly the same on both. You will then notice that the unfortunate looking guy profile got 0 emails and the attractive guy profile gets flooded by emails.

There can be endless debates as to why this occurs, but the spirit of this site should be more focused on making the transition to the male who gets everything and less focused on crying about why the unfortunate guy does not.

 

[nismo-4]

In answer to your questions, its fairly easy to tell what makes a male attractive to a female. Think of it this way; when a guy looks at a dating site, what do we do? We simply look at all the pictures and assign a "hot" or "not hot" value to the girl. We males don't really care what is written on the profile unless the girl is hot to begin with. Most of the time, we completely disregard the avg or ugly girls as even existing in the first place.

Now here is the big shocker you were looking for:...girls do exactly the same thing! But then, after they filter guys out by facial looks, they then do body type, height and in some cases, income. If you are really bored, you can set up two profiles for free on plentyoffish-- one with an athletic male and one with an "unfortunate" male pictures. Be sure to make everything in the description section exactly the same on both. You will then notice that the unfortunate looking guy profile got 0 emails and the attractive guy profile gets flooded by emails.

There can be endless debates as to why this occurs, but the spirit of this site should be more focused on making the transition to the male who gets everything and less focused on crying about why the unfortunate guy does not.

Those first two paragraphs are totally spot on!

Why does this occur? Easy! If you're unattractive, you've gotta try hard and compete to get a 6+!

Women these days want men who got it made! That means either look attractive, get high status, get a Mercedes/ BMW, get famous, or get rich! The attraction process will go faster, if at all, if you have these things! In this day and age, showing confidence, having a great personality, and making jokes often just won't cut it. If they somehow do, you are still competing against guys who got any one or more of the 5 big points stated earlier. They can easily show a sparkling personality and BOOM they stole your girl. That's because they got more going for them than your broke normal ass!

Women are drawn to men with greatness dammit! They also like men with actual confidence i.e. men who have reason to be confident! If you were a millionaire, you would be super confident cuz you got something to show for it!

You gotta work on being in the top percentile of men that women want. You gotta compete and win!

 

[zekko]

Now here is the big shocker you were looking for:...girls do exactly the same thing!

I don't think you can draw too many conclusions from these dating site examples. I mean, all they have to go on is a picture and a bit of text, of course looks are going to make a big difference there, that's almost all there is.

I agree a guy's looks are important to women. But there's no way it's as important as a woman's looks are to guys. Think about it, look at everything females do to attract men, shaving their legs, armpits, all the makeup, the tons of clothes, the jewelry, growing, styling, and dying their hair. Men respond to visual clues, we see the female shape and the chemicals start working. Women are more about touch and feeling. Women are the equivalent of the birds with the bright plumage that attract mates. A man's looks are important, but inot to the same degree as a woman's looks.

 

[Latim]

Not impossible because nothing in life is. It's just a lot harder when you are fat. But really, no one here has discussed the difference between being ugly and being unattractive.

I can confidently say that an UNATTRACTIVE guy can't pull, but anyone can make themselves attractive(hit the gym, sort out their teeth and hygiene, their attitude etc). So yes a fat dude can pull, but the less attractive you are, the more game and confidence you are going to have to exude

 

[zekko]

the less attractive you are, the more game and confidence you are going to have to exude

Doesn't it seem like if you're unattractive, it's going be really difficult to exude that confidence?

 

[robinincarolina]

How about a flip side, what about really skinny men? Prefer a man with some meat on his bones anyday to a skeleton.

 

[Energizer]

That's not a true statement. I have a face akin to a bag of spanners and I have attracted a HB9.5. Maybe she liked my innerman or she was off her mammary glands on Crystal Meth.

 

[zekko]

I have a face akin to a bag of spanners and I have attracted a HB9.5.

Maybe you're just good at pulling off that "face like a bag of spanners" look.
It's not whether you have the spanner-face, it's how you carry it.

 

[Energizer]

Maybe you're just good at pulling off that "face like a bag of spanners" look.
It's not whether you have the spanner-face, it's how you carry it.

I only attract women when I show zero interest in them. It's quite amusing, I feel no pressure on my shoulders and guess unknown to me, my confidence shows as well. I always tend to feel pressure and lack confidence when I develop oneitis.

All I did with this girl was not hit on her, just made her smile and laugh, held doors open and pretended to take interest in what she was saying.

 

[ChrizZ]

lol, some of you guys still live in your little dreamworlds.

Of course fat and ugly guys don't get hot women.

If it was as easy as being confident, witty etc... this board wouldn't exist.

You can be confident, charming, funny but it won't get you the hot girls.

If you have enough status/$$$ then looks don't matter that much.

If you don't have status/$$$ then you need muscles and look like a greek god.

If you don't have any of that then you are stuck with average/fat/ugly girls.

Personality is pretty much at the bottom of the list when it comes to getting hot chicks.

If you are a celebrity you can pretty much be dorky/0 social skills/fat/ugly and still get laid by 10's every night of the week.

Sorry, but money and fame trumps everything. I don't care if you are the most interesting person in the world.

 

[Energizer]

It seems that social status and driving fast cars, owning vast amounts of wealth matters more in the US than where I come from.

I have seen plenty of men where I live who drive average cars, are broke at University walking around with very attractive women.

The image I get of how the whole game works in the US is an image of a rap video like Dr Dre's Next Episode. :rock:

 

[nismo-4]

lol, some of you guys still live in your little dreamworlds.

Of course fat and ugly guys don't get hot women.

If it was as easy as being confident, witty etc... this board wouldn't exist.

You can be confident, charming, funny but it won't get you the hot girls.

If you have enough status/$$$ then looks don't matter that much.

If you don't have status/$$$ then you need muscles and look like a greek god.

If you don't have any of that then you are stuck with average/fat/ugly girls.

Personality is pretty much at the bottom of the list when it comes to getting hot chicks.

If you are a celebrity you can pretty much be dorky/0 social skills/fat/ugly and still get laid by 10's every night of the week.

Sorry, but money and fame trumps everything. I don't care if you are the most interesting person in the world.

Not groundbreaking advice, just common sense, but this is right! Fame and fortune FTW! A guy with a good personality can pique a girl's interest but if he's a normal college student with a part time job and drives a Mitsu Galant, he's got a long uphill battle ahead of him because he doesn't have a lot to offer and when he runs out, the girl does too. Not only that, a rich or famous guy can come along and take her away from the normal college student, no effort involved!

Then take a 23 year old millionaire. He could bring her into his room and play Mega Man 5 and the girl would think he's super sexy. Do that when you have a common car and don't have a lot of money and you can watch the girl head for the hills. Girls won't give a f*ck about your wonderful personality if they aren't initially attracted to you.

 

[zekko]

if he's a normal college student with a part time job and drives a Mitsu Galant, he's got a long uphill battle ahead of him because he doesn't have a lot to offer

I don't agree. If he's a normal college student, he's doing something to improve himself (getting education) and may have a bright future. You really think guys in college aren't getting girls?

 

[Energizer]

It seems there's a lot of steretypes used on this forum which do not correspond with what I see in my area or indeed those areas I have visited and stayed in long enough to make a fairly accurate viewpoint.

I have seen ugly/average men and women with decent/hot/handsome partners, this does not correspond with what is typed on here by some people.

Oh and College people are probably getting more sex than an A-list Pornstar.