Fat dudes/ugly guys DON'T get attractive women

[kingy]

bam bam - YOU ARE IN THE WRONG HEADSPACE

HOW YOU LOOK LIKE

YOUR MONEY

matter very very little to the girl, dont believe me then shave your head and grow a beard and do a 30 day challenge, you will see your results will kick in after about day 5 when you will stop feeling "unentitled" cos of your looks and will get the same successes as you did before.

 

[I'm in the Mood]

Ever since the Notorious BIG, being fat was proven to be a passible obstacle when it comes to a man's game...and I'm just using this as an example of a large dude with large game.

Looks are LESS important than personality.

If you're ugly, you won't be able to attract women as easily as you wish you could. On the other hand, if you have an irresistible personality you can play with a woman's emotions and attract her to wanting to spend time with you.

Now there is some advice that is constantly pushed on this site - work out and keep your body healthy and good-looking.
It's true, going to the gym is excellent for your health and your state of mind.

But for you large dudes out there, you can make yourself look good just by buying a nice suit and presenting yourself in a clean, attractive way.

While natural looks help your game, they're not necessary and yall don't have to push yourselves towards becoming drop dead gorgeous or whatever you're trying to accomplish. It just simply isn't the ONLY way you'll be able to get women.

Unless.......they have money/and or status.

Some people on this board and the "dating experts" claim looks don't matter.

This is easily refuted when out in public when you see fat guys with GUESS WHAT?

.....Other Ugly Fat women!!

Honestly how often do you see an out of shape guy with an attractive women. VERY RARELY!!

They are usually with the mediocre and good looking guys.

All you FAT DJ'S, quit kidding yourself you will get a cute/hot chick on confidence and game alone.....IT WON'T HAPPEN until you get yourself to the gym and change your diet to lose that lard.

 

[bam bam]

kingy LOL I can pickup pretty comfortably anywhere I go brother shaving my head and growing a goe tee wont make or break anything... i'll just have a different look at be slightly more appealing to a different set of woman. Any doubters feel free to come out with me in Toronto a night on the city or for a coffee. I've scene a lot and been through a lot. My life is confusing and weird at times but that's me. But dont try feeding me crap.

A person with a symmetrical face and takes care of themselves with basic hygiene will always get woman. Weather he looks like a goth/biker/prep/just dressed well person. He might not be able to seal the deal or he can screw up all of the time with the woman he has in his life. But he will consistently have woman talking to him and wanted to get to know him. While an fat guy will not. Excluding the biker/money/social status look of course. Any person can turn themselves from ugly to an average or slightly above average person that can pickup woman. Within his limits.

That's exactly what this site is designed for. This whole lifestyle we talk about on this form isn't made for people unwilling to put in effort into themselves lets not kid ourselves here. You guys pose here making this whole idea of being put together seem so easy. It's the furthest thing from the truth. For most people it's a 360 in their current life. Workout/diet/dress nice/ bla bla bla how hard is it to go to the gym consistently? How many of you actually diet not eat healthy? I mean calorie count weight your food in the morning or before bed pack it up with you to take with your day and stick to it for 3-4 months if your in pretty good shape all ready. If your over weight without starving yourself and losing weight gradually your going to do this for at least half a year if not more. Can you do this daily? so dont talk **** to me plz. Stats say most of our society cannot do this. Obesity isn't on the rise from all you dieting champs.

A hot woman that has a body that's in good shape and wears nice clothing has to put in a large amount of effort every day to maintain that. She will not U listening? WILL NOT. go with some slob who puts in 30 min a day max into himself unless there is a benefit to her. e.g money/spot light from being with a famous person. You really think hot girls dont have un-attractive guy friends with good personalities that they use as their tampons? Read on the forms of how many guys struggling to go from the friend zone into a relationship for months with a girl they really really really get along with but accidentally stayed in the friend zone for 6 months. FYI if they didn't go with that approach they would not be hanging around her. She'd avoid them and leave them as she found them. Sometimes in worse shape.

 

[bam bam]

Ever since the Notorious BIG, being fat was proven to be a passible obstacle when it comes to a man's game...and I'm just using this as an example of a large dude with large game.

Looks are LESS important than personality.

If you're ugly, you won't be able to attract women as easily as you wish you could. On the other hand, if you have an irresistible personality you can play with a woman's emotions and attract her to wanting to spend time with you.

Now there is some advice that is constantly pushed on this site - work out and keep your body healthy and good-looking.
It's true, going to the gym is excellent for your health and your state of mind.

But for you large dudes out there, you can make yourself look good just by buying a nice suit and presenting yourself in a clean, attractive way.

While natural looks help your game, they're not necessary and yall don't have to push yourselves towards becoming drop dead gorgeous or whatever you're trying to accomplish. It just simply isn't the ONLY way you'll be able to get women.

not to be rude I'm in the mood where not talking about famous people or drug dealers. Woman are willing to do sexual favors for a line of coke any time of the day. I've scene hot woman drop their pants in a split second when a guy with blow comes around. Drug dealers also carry social status in society. It have a very attractive lifestyle to a lot of party girls out there. Fast money lots of money. Out all the time shopping. Even bottom feeding drug dealers can bring this lifestyle to life. Scene it a gigantic amount of time. Read the thread before you post. Where talking about people without social status and money. aka fame/drugs... u think he'd have all those girls if he was broke and not rapping? Little kim was what a stripper before or escort can't remember. Either way those type of woman aren't about your personality and good laughs.

 

[kingy]

your looks and fat / body have very very little to do with it.

it is usually the fairly good looking guys, who arent quite GREAT LOOKING that get ridiculously annoyed with this point because they try very hard to change there asthetics and beat the system.

If the guy is a slob and doesnt do anything yes the hot girl wont be interested... who would? if the dude is fat, yet positive, motivated, ambitious, makes her laugh, doesn't let her ride all over his boundaries, good in the bedroom, dominant, socially aligned

SHE WILL FIND HIM ATTRACTIVE

seriously, it all counts but its not the fact that your body fat percentage is 10% it is the fact that you are pro-active and taking care of yourself.

same as a fat guy who has a power walk or does exercise but just eats more, she will view that as attractive.

FAT DUDES / UGLY GUYS can get hot women but you need to work on everything.

Hot women care a lot less about your looks than average girls because they dont look for their friends approval. Average girls usually cant make a decision unless society agrees or their friends agree, so will girl code. A hot girl will usually just make a decision because she knows what she likes and you are ticking her boxes so bang, decision made.

if you are really ugly, then get whatever it is fixed. are we talking disfigurement? beacause then you would need a lot more value in the other areas of your life, still completely possible though.

if you are really obease then for the sake of your health you should be losing weight.

A cool guy looks after himself, if you are cool u get laid, if you aren't you dont. Women are very good judge of characters, so become cool by improving your whole life.

 

[bam bam]

your looks and fat / body have very very little to do with it.

it is usually the fairly good looking guys, who arent quite GREAT LOOKING that get ridiculously annoyed with this point because they try very hard to change there asthetics and beat the system.

If the guy is a slob and doesnt do anything yes the hot girl wont be interested... who would? if the dude is fat, yet positive, motivated, ambitious, makes her laugh, doesn't let her ride all over his boundaries, good in the bedroom, dominant, socially aligned

How many hot woman have you scene with fat guys dude? what kind of garbage are you talking. Why would a girl hook up with a fat guy in the first place? because he makes her laugh? wow BFF! think not..


SHE WILL FIND HIM ATTRACTIVE

seriously, it all counts but its not the fact that your body fat percentage is 10% it is the fact that you are pro-active and taking care of yourself.
10% isn't fat do you even know what a body fat percentage is for you to be overweight? over weight is 25-30% not 10. Do you know how lean a person is at 10? Most guys with six packs hover around there give or take a few percentages down. depending on genetics for where the body fat is displaced and how much water they hold naturally.


same as a fat guy who has a power walk or does exercise but just eats more, she will view that as attractive.

You think if a fat guys tells a woman he workouts she's not gonna laugh at that notion unless he looks like a strong man?


FAT DUDES / UGLY GUYS can get hot women but you need to work on everything.

Keep dreaming dude woman know within 5 secs of seeing you weather they'd have you munch on their cookie or not. Not 50 hours into having 20 cool amazing dates with you. *i'm not gonna sleep with him but maybe i'll chat with him for the next long time to see how amazing he really is.* *omg this fat dude / ugly guy isn't doing what i want him let me put in another 20 hours to mold him into my personal slave* *or wait maybe since i'm not attracted to him i'll just call this guy for a bit longer so he can show me how amazing he is and then well be happily ever after* lol dude do u hear what your saying? If some fat chick or ugly chick was playing hard to get or trying to stand up to you, your gonna keep talking to her and wasting time on her? how little do you value your time and energy?


Hot women care a lot less about your looks than average girls because they dont look for their friends approval. Average girls usually cant make a decision unless society agrees or their friends agree, so will girl code. A hot girl will usually just make a decision because she knows what she likes and you are ticking her boxes so bang, decision made.

How many hot woman have you been with? Hot woman are more insecure and seek approval of their friends more then average girls. Most hot girls are head cases i've had my fair share and still date a lot of them. They have more luggage most of the time then other girls because of the fact there hot they go out more meet more people go on more dates. aka been ****ed over a lot more.

if you are really ugly, then get whatever it is fixed. are we talking disfigurement? because then you would need a lot more value in the other areas of your life, still completely possible though.

if you are really obease then for the sake of your health you should be losing weight.

A cool guy looks after himself, if you are cool u get laid, if you aren't you dont. Women are very good judge of characters, so become cool by improving your whole life.

And you do this by wearing cool glasses? i'm glade it's so easy to be cool and with the in crowd. You just walk into a place and turn cool? can i get a cool uniform plz? they key to get with woman isn't being cool.. the rabbit hole is a lot deeper then that bud... you follow other peoples ideal of what to be cool is or what it is to be with the in crowd... you'll wake up one day un-happy depressed and looking for meaning out of ur life and the bad relationships you've built with ****ty people.

 

[Duffdog]

your looks and fat / body have very very little to do with it.

it is usually the fairly good looking guys, who arent quite GREAT LOOKING that get ridiculously annoyed with this point because they try very hard to change there asthetics and beat the system.

If the guy is a slob and doesnt do anything yes the hot girl wont be interested... who would? if the dude is fat, yet positive, motivated, ambitious, makes her laugh, doesn't let her ride all over his boundaries, good in the bedroom, dominant, socially aligned

SHE WILL FIND HIM ATTRACTIVE

seriously, it all counts but its not the fact that your body fat percentage is 10% it is the fact that you are pro-active and taking care of yourself.

same as a fat guy who has a power walk or does exercise but just eats more, she will view that as attractive.

FAT DUDES / UGLY GUYS can get hot women but you need to work on everything.

Hot women care a lot less about your looks than average girls because they dont look for their friends approval. Average girls usually cant make a decision unless society agrees or their friends agree, so will girl code. A hot girl will usually just make a decision because she knows what she likes and you are ticking her boxes so bang, decision made.

if you are really ugly, then get whatever it is fixed. are we talking disfigurement? beacause then you would need a lot more value in the other areas of your life, still completely possible though.

if you are really obease then for the sake of your health you should be losing weight.

A cool guy looks after himself, if you are cool u get laid, if you aren't you dont. Women are very good judge of characters, so become cool by improving your whole life.

Kingy,

You must be fat and/or unattractive. This would explain why you are so dependent on a way of thinking which justifies why being unattractive doesn't matter.

There is no way you are going to convince a hot girl that you are "just as good" as that attractive guy she is swooning over if YOU NEVER GET A CHANCE to begin with.

And lets not say that the girl won't do anything with a fat/unattractive guy, that is a naive point of view. Girls know the score, they know when they have more power than their partner and when they have less. If she is hotter than you and you are not either rich or famous, you can bet she is cheating on you because in your mind you "scored" a hottie. In her mind, she "allowed" you to hang out with her and buy her stuff. The balance of power is shifted in her direction...not something that any male should aspire to.

Seriously, it is better to be the hot guy who can replace any female at any time than to be the ugly guy who got a single chance at a hot girl in his entire life and took it...then found out she was sleeping with the trainer at her gym the whole time.

 

[Energizer]

How do you know if you're ugly?

You're generally told you are ugly.

 

[The Message Boy]

Yeah this is a great discussion. Yeah I agree, everything matters but one thing I've noticed is that it stills comes down to the girl.

You can have a particular set of girls just not like guys that look a certain way, even though technically the guy would be known as an attractive guy in certain circles.

As far as looks mattering the least compared to personality, I think we need to clearly define what looks are?

Is looks working out to get into at least average shape, being groomed, having a great sense of cloting style?

Or is looks all of the above plus Brad Pitt facial features?

My opinion is having Brad Pitt facial features is not a requirement, but being in at least average shape to where you aren't ****ing all over the place sloppy, having a sense of dress styel for the most part, and keeping yourself groomed, are ALL REQUIREMENTS.

Then combine that with some sort of personality that matches you but clicks with girls and you should be fine.

 

[FairShake]

Did I already post in this thread? I have no idea.

Anyway, I'm so ugly that even my own girlfriend, who loves me with all her heart, always says things like I'm handsome...to her. She mentions that she doesn't care what the rest of society thinks...and other things that I guess are meant to uplift but really can bring somebody down if you let it.

If you let it.

Listen, you can only go so far with your looks. Some people just need to clean up a little. Others are hopeless. Those hopeless guys, who I know well, have to find things that they CAN work on, things that are under their control, to use as magnets for women. If you are boring, anxious, depressed, a jerk, etc. well, that's YOUR fault. Not God's. You can control your behavior and how you present yourself.

I'd spend more time making cool friends and doing cool things and less time trying to convince the world that you aren't getting laid because you're ugly. It is, at the very least, worthwhile for your mental health even if it DOESN'T result in getting laid!

 

[kingy]

imagine yourself as a cup of water, right now you are full of beleifs and rationalisations which im afraid are garbage. Until you let them all go no one can teach you or add to what you have because there is no room left in the cup.

Women dont make up their mind instantly, it is on behaviour, it takes time and their attraction is in realtime.

10% was my example of you, you stud ;-)

Im not going to argue this online cos frankly i have more pressing things to be doing, im posting to stop less attractive, less rich, newbies worrying that they cant pickup hot girls.

You are either a newbie yourself or deluded, learn to listen.

 

[The Message Boy]

Plus to add to my recent post again, I'll bring up another question I did earlier, isn't looks in the eyes of the beholder?

I mean the Looks Matter Crowd keeps shouting out if the woman doesn't think you look good, all of the inner game won't be able to work. I personally agree with that. What I disagree with is the measuring stick they use to determine if a guy looks good or not.

I've read in some of the past threads like these, guys would post their pics to these Looks Matter guys and they would lol, I"m not kidding, tear them down if they didn't think they looked good.

Does that make any sense? I know women that think George Clooney is ugly and I know women that would never want to get with Usher cause they htink he's ugly.

I guess my question is, what determines good looks? Facial features or overall appearance?

I would think it's overall appearance, because nobody (especially a guy) can f'in judge if another guy is hot or not lol.

And for the same token, not every girl will think the same guy is hot. For example, I post my pics on sites for girls to judge me right. Well, recently I got about 248 responses and they said I averaged around a 7.5. Now, when I contacted those that responded, some of the girls on there that said I was a ****in 4, I've actually laid! Some of the girls on there that gave me really high marks like a 9 and I even had 11 chicks (yeah I counted those) that called me a 10, well, I never got anywhere with those girls.

So I guess all I'm saying is, the debate doesn't make any sense. There's no definitive measuring stick for someone's attractiveness and at the end of the day in my opinion, Good Looks = The Best You Package You Can Produce. Meaning your external appearance and internal mindsets/attitudes.

 

[Duffdog]

imagine yourself as a cup of water, right now you are full of beleifs and rationalisations which im afraid are garbage. Until you let them all go no one can teach you or add to what you have because there is no room left in the cup.

Women dont make up their mind instantly, it is on behaviour, it takes time and their attraction is in realtime.

10% was my example of you, you stud ;-)

Im not going to argue this online cos frankly i have more pressing things to be doing, im posting to stop less attractive, less rich, newbies worrying that they cant pickup hot girls.

You are either a newbie yourself or deluded, learn to listen.

Actually, I am a natural. Very few things on this site have helped me at all...since I was good to begin with. And yes, I am considered attractive, so I guess you could say that I am biased in that direction. The reason I am biased is because most of the girls I sleep with have boyfriends. Boyfriends who aren't what we would call attractive--(masculine looking). Sure, the girls tell their boyfriends that they are awesome and all that, but its not true. Chics lie about whatever they need to lie about in order to acquire resources/ security/ provision, etc. I suppose that one could say "ignorance is bliss", but I choose not to live in ignorance.

You may continue to live that way at your option, just don't be surprised when your girlfriend isn't where you expect her to be...

 

[I'm in the Mood]

not to be rude I'm in the mood where not talking about famous people or drug dealers.

I'm not either. I'm talking about something called IMAGE.
My reference to Biggie was to show that he's an example from out of popular culture of a desirable large dude.
I treat this as proof that even if you're large around the waist, you can still be a sex symbol and have game.

There is a tremendous difference between IMAGE and LOOKS.

You can be fat and get hot women.
One of my good friends is fat and he gets the very hot women.
This is due to his image and personality, not his looks.

By the way, if yall expect women to judge you solely on how cute/hot/muscular you are, then unless you're just in it for a lay, I think you're talking to the wrong women...

 

[search1ng]

my mother says I'm not ugly.

 

[kingy]

not attractive means they arent being a MAN not the way they look. A woman doesn't understand this, u should ;-)

you are a natural so you are like a woman when it comes to pickup, u dont really know why stuff works ;-)

one day you can suck my balls when u lose your hair, get fat and can still pickup.

 

[Duffdog]

not attractive means they arent being a MAN not the way they look. A woman doesn't understand this, u should ;-)

you are a natural so you are like a woman when it comes to pickup, u dont really know why stuff works ;-)

one day you can suck my balls when u lose your hair, get fat and can still pickup.

Its a good bet that hot girls know darn well that the only reason anyone talks to them is because they are hot. They aren't stupid...

 

[nismo-4]

Actually, I am a natural. Very few things on this site have helped me at all...since I was good to begin with. And yes, I am considered attractive, so I guess you could say that I am biased in that direction. The reason I am biased is because most of the girls I sleep with have boyfriends. Boyfriends who aren't what we would call attractive--(masculine looking). Sure, the girls tell their boyfriends that they are awesome and all that, but its not true. Chics lie about whatever they need to lie about in order to acquire resources/ security/ provision, etc. I suppose that one could say "ignorance is bliss", but I choose not to live in ignorance.

You may continue to live that way at your option, just don't be surprised when your girlfriend isn't where you expect her to be...

You own a Mercedes, don't you Duffdog?

This whole board should know that looks f**kin' matter and men who think otherwise are delusional or issuers false hope. i.e. guys who try to sell this pickup sh*t at the "low price" of 40 bucks.

Have any of you guys seen the NBC show "Average Joe" in its first two seasons? Duffdog, this is where I prove your point. There were a bunch of guys (not sexy) trying to woo this 10. She felt forced to give those guys a chance with her. Later on in the show, there were three guys who were attractive and have beach bods. The 10's head turned immediately and a spark of interest generated VERY QUICKLY. In the end, there was one Average Joe and one Beach bod. Who the f**k do you think won?

Personality can ultimately triumph over looks? Ripley's wouldn't even believe that sh*t! Unless of course you're rich, famous, or own a yacht/ Bentley/ Rolls Royce, etc.

An ugly guy CAN get a 10, but keeping her is another story. It's like a 9 to 5 in itself. You work so hard to catch her and keep her and the next thing you know an extremely attractive rich guy comes along. The ugly guy is at a giant disadvantage obviously and in most cases like that the ugly guy loses.

Women want guys who got it going on, whether it's looks, car, money, house, etc. If you have no proof of that, it's like you're playing the powerball (maybe it's different in your state) with one ticket. The odds are stacked against you badly.

 

[Duffdog]

You own a Mercedes, don't you Duffdog?

This whole board should know that looks f**kin' matter and men who think otherwise are delusional or issuers false hope. i.e. guys who try to sell this pickup sh*t at the "low price" of 40 bucks.

Have any of you guys seen the NBC show "Average Joe" in its first two seasons? Duffdog, this is where I prove your point. There were a bunch of guys (not sexy) trying to woo this 10. She felt forced to give those guys a chance with her. Later on in the show, there were three guys who were attractive and have beach bods. The 10's head turned immediately and a spark of interest generated VERY QUICKLY. In the end, there was one Average Joe and one Beach bod. Who the f**k do you think won?

Personality can ultimately triumph over looks? Ripley's wouldn't even believe that sh*t! Unless of course you're rich, famous, or own a yacht/ Bentley/ Rolls Royce, etc.

An ugly guy CAN get a 10, but keeping her is another story. It's like a 9 to 5 in itself. You work so hard to catch her and keep her and the next thing you know an extremely attractive rich guy comes along. The ugly guy is at a giant disadvantage obviously and in most cases like that the ugly guy loses.

Women want guys who got it going on, whether it's looks, car, money, house, etc. If you have no proof of that, it's like you're playing the powerball (maybe it's different in your state) with one ticket. The odds are stacked against you badly.

A Lexus actually... and yes I am aware of what that means to some girls, that is why I bought it.

 

[nismo-4]

A Lexus actually... and yes I am aware of what that means to some girls, that is why I bought it.

Close enough. I hope it's a LS 460 L! Leather so soft and you got a lot of leg room if you're tall like me. Keep the leather cleaner nearby! LOL

Regardless, owning a Lexus in a woman's eye means you got money and are super trendy. BTW I learned that from you. I've updated that list with cars you missed and maybe you can help me clean it up. If you want, I'll PM it to you.

I can't wait to sell my 05 Pontiac Grand Am and get a CLS/ CL Mercedes. Cannot get Infiniti or Volvo or Saab at all, as they don't make a good enough statement for women.