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hmm, so its alright to deal with these terrorists if money is to be made, right? Even though Saudi Arabia commits some of the worst human rights violations on the globe, they are our pals, we would never invade THEM, right?
Right.

are you sure? We defied the UN ourselves by attacking a sovereign nation without its approval.
Iraq was "sovereign" as long as it met certain conditions after the first gulf war. Saddam ignored these for the 5 years prior to the invasion.

Seems kinda hypocritical to defy the UN in order to enforce its laws, dont you think?
If the UN is gonna pass resolutions and then not enforce them, what message is that going to send to every other little rogue dictator like Saddam? In fact, what would be the point in even having the UN exist in the first place? I've been trying to answer that question since long before the second Iraq invasion.

The UN resolution was for Iraq to disarm, yet no weapons have been found proving that Saddam was "demonstrably in material violation".
Hmmmm..... He was in material violation for kicking out the inspectors in 1998. Then:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.duelfer/

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/10/sprj.irq.chemicals/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/12/sprj.irq.inspections/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/30/iraq.wmd.duelfer/index.html

Try looking a little bit harder.

There is also no question that Bush DID play the Sept 11th card in this war. So many people in this country believe that Iraq had everything to do with Sept 11th, as a result of Bush's misinformation.
It's a result of their own lack of reading comprehension.

hehe, and when this argument is brought up, it almost always centers around the French. We have accused them of all kinds of treachery when it comes to Iraq. But its really the Americans who were involved more with Iraq before the invasion. The rest of the European countries, including France, took a small percentage of oil exports compared to what the U.S. took.
The US doesn't get oil from Iraq as far as I know (certainly no signifigant percentage), and doesn't get much oil from the middle east in general. The French were involved in plenty of other business with Iraq, including selling weapons. They had ample motivation to want to keep Saddam in power, in defiance of UN mandates.
 

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Incidentally, a lot of people arguing in favour of guns and constitutional rights need to look at the "Patriot Act" and how it was passed. It's one of the scariest things I've heard of in modern politics. Not only does it violate your rights, but it was passed under very devious circumstances.

Gotta love the name though! Even though "Big Brother Act" might be more appropriate.
I agree completely.
 

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Originally posted by boost
"Assault weapons" (as redefined in 1994) are used in less than 2% of all gun crimes. In fact there is only ONE "assault weapon" on the top ten list of guns used in crimes. Banning them is not only unconstitutional; it is pointless. Its like trying to reduce drunk driving fatalities by making it harder for sober people to buy cars.

It is not unconstitutional to ban them. You would still have the right to bear arms just a regulation on what types of weapons your allowed to have.

Originally posted by wasteland warrior
What you're suggesting is that I should be forced (at gun-point, nonetheless... ahhh the irony) to give up my guns because criminals use guns while committing crimes.
That's not what i'm suggesting at all.

Originally posted by wasteland warrior
Also, put up a couple of links of assault rifles used in crimes. I'm betting you can't find more than 2 or 3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

http://www.rickross.com/groups/waco.html

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/paranoia-as-patriotism/aryan-nations.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000195.php

Originally posted by wasteland warrior
Here's some 5 honest citizens with the best defense money can buy-.
Those people could have easily defended themselves with a rifle or shotgun which does more damage than a handgun anyway.

Originally posted by boost
There is nothing wrong with having ANY gun for hunting, target shooting, or self defense..
Go to a hunting club and tell them you want to hunt deer with an M-16 and then see the look on their faces. Walk outside with an M-60 machine gun and tell your neighbors it's for self defense.

Originally posted by boost
A US civilian cannot become better armed than the police...
The police are outgunned by the civilian population and now patrolmen want to carry assualt rifles with them. There are countires in Europe where these weapons are banned and the police don't carry guns at all.

Originally posted by boost
The point of the 2nd Amendment is a final, last resort check and balance on the government. With gun control that prevents citizens from owning and using guns that meet military standard, this amendment is effectively non existant. I can't stress enough how important our bill of rights is, and why it shouldn't be trampled on. Without it, we are not the USA....
There is no check and balance against the US govt. by civilains. using violence against the US military or cops would only escalate the problem and lead to an ever further police state. Any armed insurgency against the govt. would be crushed within a matter of days to months by the US govt. Why? Because the govt. has tanks, choppers, navy seals, aircraft carriers, and special forces units which would be used to destroy them. When the 2nd amendment was written it was written under the assumption that both sides would be armed with muskets.

Originally posted by derek flint
He and his intel officials having numerous meetings with Al Quaeda officials.....
Donald Rumsfeld had more meetings with Saddam than Al-Queda ever did. Meeting someone and actively working together are 2 totally seperate things.

Originally posted by derek flint
Al Quaeda operatives were training at several sites in Iraq......
The KKK and white supremacist groups are actively training in the US. Al Queda is also training in 50-60 other countries.


Originally posted by derek flint
Saddam harbored and gave safe haven to a number of terrorists.......
The US gives safe haven to terrorists, just as long as their not muslims.

Originally posted by derek flint
Saddam used WMD's on the Kurds, killing thousands of them.
Saddam killed about 250,000 dissenters, who were found in mass graves........
He used WMD's given to him by the United States.

Originally posted by derek flint
Moore left out the part about the Congressman who has a nephew serving in combat in Afghanistan, because it devalues the point he attempted to make. ........
Out of the hundreds of US congress there are only 6 with children in the military and only 1 serving in Iraq. During Vietnam the US govt. rigged the draft so officials wouln't have to send their kids into combat.

Originally posted by derek flint
Anyone who has studied Marx and understood Marx knows who oppressive Marxism is and how it is a demonstrable failure.
And anyone who studied US history, knows that's BS
........
It was a failure only because every regime that has triend to implement has been totalitarian. Marx believed in democrary where everyone would be treated equally. He was not against freedom of speech or religion as many people have triend to say he was. Then again, just because you agree with some marxist points that doesn't make you a communist. After all, the US had a socialized public education system and their still capitolists.

Originally posted by derek flint
Handguns prevent about 2 Million crimes from occuring per year.
What would you do if some thugs entered your home, and tried to harm you or your family? Rape your wife/daughter/mother/girlfriend?
Call Michael Moore and ask him what you should do?........
I am a gun owner, shocking isn't it? I own 5 guns, all shotguns and rifles and if someone broke into my house I would blow their asses away with my shotgun which does more damage than a pistol any way.

Michael Moore is a member of the NRA and he is not anti-gun or anti-second amendment he has stated this many times. He is anti-assault rifle, anti-handgun guns that are sold for no purpose other than to kill other people. People can easily defend themelves with a standard hunting rifle from K-mart if they want protection.
 

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So let me get this straight... some of you believe that a journal entry (that is basically what it is) is more credible than this documentary? Interesting. The thing I always found amazing about "facts" is that typically (especially when it comes to something intangible like politics) a "fact" seems to be more based on opinion than actual truth. Hard sciences for the most part are "facts" if I boil water at sea level and not in a microwave it will boil at 212 degrees farenheit... that is a fact. Whether or not Bush or Moore is telling the truth is merely an opinion turned into a fact... there is a difference. In my "factual" opinion Saddam and George Bush are merely one in the same. Both used fear to gain and keep power... both has more money than the law allows and both do whatever they want to for them at the expense of their people... the only difference here is that Bush does not go around killing us... but hell, he may as well at this point.

Bottom line, these "facts" (all of them) when you boil down to it are merely one part fact, three parts opinion. All of us are receiving second, third or fourth hand information... so "truth" is very debateable there. I empathize most people (both democratic and conversatives alike) simply because we are taught to trust our government... I hate to break it to you people, but when it comes to power... things like "truth" and "fact" simply go out of the window and when it comes down to it... the main point behind politics is just that... power. Sure, the "truth" is out there... but you better believe people are getting paid a lot of money to make sure that we do not find it.
 

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It is not unconstitutional to ban them. You would still have the right to bear arms just a regulation on what types of weapons your allowed to have.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", is pretty clear. If a gun is banned, our rights are being infringed upon. Period.

Go to a hunting club and tell them you want to hunt deer with an M-16 and then see the look on their faces. Walk outside with an M-60 machine gun and tell your neighbors it's for self defense.
I don't care if people at a hunt club or my neighbors like it or not. The second amendment isn't about hunting or "popular opinion". I don't hunt anyway.

The police are outgunned by the civilian population and now patrolmen want to carry assualt rifles with them. There are countires in Europe where these weapons are banned and the police don't carry guns at all.
There is no gun that a civilian is "allowed to have" (where is a puking icon when you need one) that a cop isn't allowed to have. In fact, the reverse is true. As such, its impossible for normal civilians to "outgun" LEO civilians.

There are also countries in Europe where full auto weapons are perfectly legal, and common among the normal civilian population. I don't care what they do in Europe. This is the US, and people here have rights, which are ACKNOWLEDGED, not GIVEN, by the bill of rights.

There is no check and balance against the US govt. by civilains. using violence against the US military or cops would only escalate the problem and lead to an ever further police state. Any armed insurgency against the govt. would be crushed within a matter of days to months by the US govt. Why? Because the govt. has tanks, choppers, navy seals, aircraft carriers, and special forces units which would be used to destroy them. When the 2nd amendment was written it was written under the assumption that both sides would be armed with muskets.
The second amendment is the final check against the government. 300,000,000 guns owned by 80,000,000 people in this country is a lot. The second amendment was created to guarantee every individual's right to own weapons suitable for military service. You know any soldiers who would open up military firepower on citizens of the US? I don't.

Without "insurgency", this country wouldn't even exist. Politicians who want to ban guns are the very reason the 2nd amendment was created. :) Its there to remind politicians from where their power comes, and of where it can be returned once more.

I am a gun owner, shocking isn't it? I own 5 guns, all shotguns and rifles and if someone broke into my house I would blow their asses away with my shotgun which does more damage than a pistol any way.

Michael Moore is a member of the NRA and he is not anti-gun or anti-second amendment he has stated this many times. He is anti-assault rifle, anti-handgun guns that are sold for no purpose other than to kill other people. People can easily defend themelves with a standard hunting rifle from K-mart if they want protection.
So your shotgun kills them less dead than an evil assault rifle?

The anti-gunners (like Michael Moore) know that they have no chance of banning all guns, all at once, so they have to try to do it one class of gun at a time. First, "assault weapons", because they look scary. Functionally, they are not different than any semi-auto hunting rifle, but they are black, and look evil. Even though they are used in a negligible percentage of crime, they get the most press, and its easy to convince the sheep of their "evilness" first.

So, now "assualt weapons" are banned. Crime rates don't really change, since "assault weapons" aren't used in many crimes anyway. Whats next? "Sniper rifles"!! (aka, deer rifles). "Made for nothing but killing people from tremendous distances away", say the antis.

Shotguns? "They spray uncontrolable patterns of devastation! we must ban them!"

Handguns? "To concealable, used in 70% of gun crimes, serve no useful purpose!! We must ban them!!"

So, now where are we, with everything banned? We are an infinitely weaker people, a bunch of government dependent pussies at the mercy of armed criminals who know that nobody has the capability to stop them. Out of control crime and out of control government would abound.

Luckily, about 80 million of us still have other ideas.

Also, the irony that most liberals hate George Bush and don't trust him in the least, but trust him to have all the guns, kills me.
 

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Originally posted by The Matrix: Reloaded
So let me get this straight... some of you believe that a journal entry (that is basically what it is) is more credible than this documentary?
That "Journal" entry is sourced with footnotes from mostly mainstream media sources.

I've also listed articles from mainstream sources such as MSNBC that counter Moore's claims.

Moore has been widely and thoroughly discredited by a diverse number of sources.

And where does Moore list his sources? And why doesn't he give both sides of the story?
Because the complete truth doesn't help him further his agenda, or sell tickets.

Just because Moore's movie, which he no longer claims is a documentary, makes a claim, it doesn't mean it's true, especially since Moore has a history of stretching the truth and lying by omission.

If a woman told the kind of fishy stories that Moore told, and a guy believed her, he would be labled as a guillible AFC by just about everyone on this board.

Moore is the epitome of a propagandist.
 

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Ahhh boost, I see you are still licking Americas balls...nice

Originally posted by boost
Iraq was "sovereign" as long as it met certain conditions after the first gulf war. Saddam ignored these for the 5 years prior to the invasion.

If the UN is gonna pass resolutions and then not enforce them, what message is that going to send to every other little rogue dictator like Saddam? In fact, what would be the point in even having the UN exist in the first place? I've been trying to answer that question since long before the second Iraq invasion.


So answer me this Mr. All-America... Should our country be invaded and bombed for violating international laws? Because we have broken quite a few

1. ABM Missile Treaty made with Russia in 1972, broken by Bush in 2002)
2. The International Criminal Court (ICC) is designed to catch international criminals, including terrorists, but the US opposes it.
3. Article 51 of the UN charter allows for a response to an attack by a state, but does not say that we can bomb others in response to the acts of individuals.
4. Do I even need to mention the Torture Scandal in Iraq?

I guess its only good and patriotic when America does it. :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Derek Flint
That "Journal" entry is sourced with footnotes from mostly mainstream media sources.

I've also listed articles from mainstream sources such as MSNBC that counter Moore's claims.

Moore has been widely and thoroughly discredited by a diverse number of sources.

And where does Moore list his sources? And why doesn't he give both sides of the story?
Because the complete truth doesn't help him further his agenda, or sell tickets.

Just because Moore's movie, which he no longer claims is a documentary, makes a claim, it doesn't mean it's true, especially since Moore has a history of stretching the truth and lying by omission.

If a woman told the kind of fishy stories that Moore told, and a guy believed her, he would be labled as a guillible AFC by just about everyone on this board.

Moore is the epitome of a propagandist.
Ironic Derek Flint how you just did the very thing that you blame Michael Moore for doing (which is does) to assert your claims. You merely used "half" (less than half) of my entire post in an attempt to prove your point while apparently disregarding the rest of it in a strange attempt to refute some argument that I never created. I never said that Moore was not a propagandist... he is. However, the people that run our country are as well propagandist, politics is based on propagada for Christ's sakes, so tell me Derek Flint what are you really trying to prove? Moore does not give the other side of the story for the same reasons why those "mainstream media sources" do not. First, there is no need for him to do so, those sources take care of that and two... if you give both sides, how do you make your side look better? Right, you cannot... so what you are essentially asking of Michael Moore yourself nor our country does... hmm... throwing stones when our windows are glass are we?
 

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Ahhh boost, I see you are still licking Americas balls...nice
I AM America's balls.

So answer me this Mr. All-America... Should our country be invaded and bombed for violating international laws? Because we have broken quite a few

1. ABM Missile Treaty made with Russia in 1972, broken by Bush in 2002)
2. The International Criminal Court (ICC) is designed to catch international criminals, including terrorists, but the US opposes it.
3. Article 51 of the UN charter allows for a response to an attack by a state, but does not say that we can bomb others in response to the acts of individuals.
4. Do I even need to mention the Torture Scandal in Iraq?

I guess its only good and patriotic when America does it. :rolleyes:
A less offensive tone would serve you well, kid.

1) The world situation since the ABM treaty was relevant changed to the point where the war it was meant to prevent could no longer happen. Reasons for treaty gone; treaty irrelevant.

2-4) The UN is a no-balls group who sit around talking and not really doing anything. Much like the ABM treaty, the world situation to which it applied no longer really exists. The job of American leaders is to serve America the best they can, not to appease the UN.

"Sad but true."
 

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Better be careful Shiftkey, once you start truly believeing in the second amendment, other conservative ideologies aren't to far behind.
lol I've never believed in gun control, this isn't something I just started agreeing with. And I consider this a liberal ideology, because gun rights are a liberty. (though I guess you could argue that you want to "conserve" the bill of rights too lol)

Regardless, I'm not a democrate and never will be. I'm a libertarian and very opposed to too much government control in anything.
 

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Originally posted by boost
IThe UN is a no-balls group who sit around talking and not really doing anything. Much like the ABM treaty, the world situation to which it applied no longer really exists. The job of American leaders is to serve America the best they can, not to appease the UN.
here we have the typical conservative "America is always right" attitude. This is the attitude that creates all the hatred for this country overseas. This type of foreign policy really pisses a lot of people off....yet a lot of the conservatives in this country just dont care.

It still strikes me as so hypocritical that we love to say "f*ck you" to the UN and its resolutions so frequently yet we used one as a primary reason to attack Iraq.
 

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Behave people. There is no reason why this thread needs to turn into a shouting match. Boost, I appreciate your posts and I'm currently recrafting my position on the whole gun thing.

As far as Fahrenheit 9/11 goes I'm not 100% conviced who to believe. People are critisizing a man who has no way of coming here to defend his views and I don't see any reason why I should believe any of these anti-moore sites either. If Moore were truly lying then Bush could easily use the Patriot Act against his azz. If someone lies or slanders then you prove them wrong in court not by creating some internet bullsh1t.

Moore is a very conspicous figure these days, and what he is saying about these politicians can and will be very hurtful to the continuation of their careers. So, if he is really slandering them, why not go after him? Why not show the world that he is a liar and reclaim their good names? The fact that this isn't happening leads me to believe that Moore is being truthful. I want to see someone face Moore in Court and prove him wrong.
 

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Originally posted by Dust 2 Dust
Behave people. There is no reason why this thread needs to turn into a shouting match. Boost, I appreciate your posts and I'm currently recrafting my position on the whole gun thing.

As far as Fahrenheit 9/11 goes I'm not 100% conviced who to believe. People are critisizing a man who has no way of coming here to defend his views and I don't see any reason why I should believe any of these anti-moore sites either. If Moore were truly lying then Bush could easily use the Patriot Act against his azz. If someone lies or slanders then you prove them wrong in court not by creating some internet bullsh1t.

Moore is a very conspicous figure these days, and what he is saying about these politicians can and will be very hurtful to the continuation of their careers. So, if he is really slandering them, why not go after him? Why not show the world that he is a liar and reclaim their good names? The fact that this isn't happening leads me to believe that Moore is being truthful. I want to see someone face Moore in Court and prove him wrong.


Moore himself has declared that his movie is not a documentary but instead an "op-ed" piece.

"(The movie) is an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration. And that's what I call it. I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism."

http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/pe_columnists/article/0,2071,NPDN_14960_2994916,00.html
 

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Originally posted by Dust 2 Dust
It is not unconstitutional to ban them. You would still have the right to bear arms just a regulation on what types of weapons your allowed to have.
This would be the definition of "infringment." the very thing the 2A protects against.


There is no check and balance against the US govt. by civilains. using violence against the US military or cops would only escalate the problem and lead to an ever further police state. Any armed insurgency against the govt. would be crushed within a matter of days to months by the US govt. Why? Because the govt. has tanks, choppers, navy seals, aircraft carriers, and special forces units which would be used to destroy them. When the 2nd amendment was written it was written under the assumption that both sides would be armed with muskets.[/B]


Do you really think our men and women in the U.S. military would take up arms against their own fathers, brothers or friends? If so you are sorely mistaken. In fact I'm sure the majority will be right there fighting against the very people who would **** on our Constitution by taking our gun rights away. Remember, they took an oath to uphold and protect The Constitution of the United States of America against enemies foreign and domestic.
Also, remember that's what was said about the Brits during the American Revolution. The Brits outnumbered us, had a huge Navy, had more combat experience better trained, had artillary and better logistics yet against world predictions, we handed their ass to um.



Michael Moore is a member of the NRA and he is not anti-gun or anti-second amendment he has stated this many times. He is anti-assault rifle, anti-handgun guns that are sold for no purpose other than to kill other people. People can easily defend themelves with a standard hunting rifle from K-mart if they want protection. [/B]


I own many handguns, shotguns and yes, even assault rifles:eek: and I still can't recall a time when one of them just jumped up and killed someone :confused: . Fact is guns don't kill people, people kill people.
And yes, people can defend themselves with a Bolt rifle from K-mart but why limit yourself to just that when they can use something much more effective. I don't know about you but I value my life and will use the tool ( That is what guns are after all) that has the best chance of preserving it. I will not settle for an "It'll do" when it comes to my or my families survival.

Another thing, if you criminalize guns only criminals will have them. A criminal couldn't care less if his gun is legal or not. for example, Sawed off Shotguns are illegal now. Do you know how many Gangbangers I've arrested packing them? Also take for example the reasant rash of bank robberies in DC. Have you seen the hardware those guys were packin? As far as I know there is ABSOLUTLY no guns allowed in the District of Columbia, not even your bolt action. So who do you think that law affects? The only people who are going to obey these silly laws are the law abiding citizens.
 
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Originally posted by yellowspeed
This would be the definition of "infringment." the very thing the 2A protects against.
Isn't the govt. currently infrienging on our rights by not letting us have fully automatic weapons? What about hand grenades and mortars?

Originally posted by yellowspeed
Do you really think our men and women in the U.S. military would take up arms against their own fathers, brothers or friends? If so you are sorely mistaken. In fact I'm sure the majority will be right there fighting against the very people who would **** on our Constitution by taking our gun rights away. Remember, they took an oath to uphold and protect The Constitution of the United States of America against enemies foreign and domestic.
I believe that they would take up arms against the american people if they were fed enough propoganda. They did it at Waco, Ruby Ridge, Kent State.

Originally posted by yellowspeed
Also, remember that's what was said about the Brits during the American Revolution. The Brits outnumbered us, had a huge Navy, had more combat experience better trained, had artillary and better logistics yet against world predictions, we handed their ass to um.
That was 1776 when both sides were armed with muskets. In modern times people armed with rifles cannot defeat a mechanized force with tanks.

Originally posted by yellowspeed
I own many handguns, shotguns and yes, even assault rifles:eek: and I still can't recall a time when one of them just jumped up and killed someone :confused: . Fact is guns don't kill people, people kill people.
And yes, people can defend themselves with a Bolt rifle from K-mart but why limit yourself to just that when they can use something much more effective. I don't know about you but I value my life and will use the tool ( That is what guns are after all) that has the best chance of preserving it. I will not settle for an "It'll do" when it comes to my or my families survival.

Another thing, if you criminalize guns only criminals will have them. A criminal couldn't care less if his gun is legal or not. for example, Sawed off Shotguns are illegal now. Do you know how many Gangbangers I've arrested packing them? Also take for example the reasant rash of bank robberies in DC. Have you seen the hardware those guys were packin? As far as I know there is ABSOLUTLY no guns allowed in the District of Columbia, not even your bolt action. So who do you think that law affects? The only people who are going to obey these silly laws are the law abiding citizens.
Why can't ex-con's, people under the age of 18, or gang bangers own guns legally? By the same arguement We should not relegate these people to having to rely solely on the police and 911 for their protection.
 

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lol I've never believed in gun control, this isn't something I just started agreeing with. And I consider this a liberal ideology, because gun rights are a liberty. (though I guess you could argue that you want to "conserve" the bill of rights too lol)
In theory, you would think so. In practice, its always the conservatives who don't push gun control. I find it ironic as well that many of the groups who are often most in need of the 2A (gays, Jews, blacks, etc) favor its absolute repeal.

Regardless, I'm not a democrate and never will be. I'm a libertarian and very opposed to too much government control in anything.
Well I guess you never can tell. I had you pegged as a Kerry-loving liberal. :D The libertarian candidate is the only one I could vote for and feel good about it in the morning.

Boost, I appreciate your posts and I'm currently recrafting my position on the whole gun thing.
I really appreciate your open minded-ness. Especially on this topic. The more I've studied the politics surrounding gun control, the firmer I've become in my position. As gun owners/freedom loving Americans, we will either stand, together, or fall, apart.

Isn't the govt. currently infrienging on our rights by not letting us have fully automatic weapons? What about hand grenades and mortars?
Yes. As far as grenades and mortars, I don't really see why not. Those aren't really practical for an individual though.

Why can't ex-con's, people under the age of 18, or gang bangers own guns legally? By the same arguement We should not relegate these people to having to rely solely on the police and 911 for their protection
This is another topic of contention. However, IMO, people in society should have ALL their rights, intact. If a criminal is released from prison and can't be trusted to own a gun, a business, or vote, why was he let back into society in the first place?
 

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I saw the other day a cartoon with fidel and bush in it.Bush had a newspaper talking about the iraqi prison scandal and fidel was bowing to nim as if to say hey your move or nobody's perfect.it was a funny ass cartoon.
 

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This thread is worthless without pics!!



This is a Bushmaster Superlight carbine. I use it for 3-gun competition, plinking, home defense, and terrorist patrol. ;)

It is a "post-ban" model (built after Sept. 1994). After the "assault weapon ban" sunsets in September, I'm going to add a new threaded 16" M4 profile barrel, Vortex FS, bayo-lug equipped sight tower, and 6 position telescoping stock. :) Might change out the standard A3 sights for an Aimpoint and co-witnessed BUIS also.
 

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Nice boost.

The only assault rifle I've shot was an AK-47. It was one of the perks of being in boyscouts lol
 
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