Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic.
Al Moh. said:Well, I'm speechless...
It's threads like this that make me loose faith in this community. Who are you guys kidding? ALPHA??? This guy has insecurity written all over his face. Not to say he is completly immature.
Is this what you strive to be? Well, congratulation, I'd rather be an AFC for life than this. Why would someone want to be like this?
Oh, right, because people think you'll get laid like this! Tell you what, first of all, you don't (exept for the psycho chicks probably) and second of all, if this is still your number one priority, well, then...
I don't know what to say, seriously. This thread seems like a big commedy show, yet, I know, some people really think this way. Alright, if you want to let your relationships to your family, your friends and all other people go down the drain just to f*ck some immature psycho chicks, then go ahead. But we must not forget that what we do here is supposed to enhance our lifes, not destroy friendships for sex or anthing else for sex, it doesn't matter. You are supposed to outgrow your insecurities, not hide them behind a veil of "alphaness". This whole alpha concept is idiotic in itself because everyone tries to dominate others. All it brings is arrogance. Forget about being alpha and just live your life. Right, don't let other people dominate you but don't dominate them as well, what we need is a better world, not the old world with reversed roles.
If you want to be respected, respect others, respect yourself.
And I still think his biggest reason for wearing these huge glasses is hiding his eyes, I bet all my money he couldn't stand holding EC with anyone.
If women went for intelligence, Albert Einstein would have been a stud.FairShake said:Wow, that guy seemed really stupid. I don't spend much time with Epic Teenage Alphas and watching that clip makes me glad I don't. His communication skills were completely lacking. No tone to his voice but monotone. Absolutely NOTHING going on there.
Who cares if he's getting laid or not? There are some places you shouldn't stoop to and this is one of them.
Ummm...jonwon said:If women went for intelligence, Albert Einstein would have been a stud.
The biggest failures with women are actually guys who are very smart and I mean IQ up there in the 160+
jonwon said:Yes there are smart guys who learn the system.
But there is a connection between: IT programmers, software engineers.
Scientists. e.t.c Who totally fail with women.
Some of the biggest failures men have with women, is when they ‘think too much’.
Women are not normally logical creatures, hence when someone with too much intelligence tries the mating game, he is operating on the prospect of logical analysis, when women do not operate on that plane of thinking at all.
Hence why very smart guys usually are the worst at meeting women.
Cory's appeal to some adolescent boys and girls would most likely stem from his general demeanor of not caring - it is an identification with the rebelliousness and the quest for independence of adolescence.jonwon said:And why you will see brainless thugs with attractive girls – since there not over analyzing the situation.
The reason this guy has potential is because he does not bend his frame at all – he talks slow, calm, he even throws out his own tests to the news women – He is not fazed by the TV crew, by the fact he is on TV – If he channelled that into gaming girls, he would go very far indeed.
Also most of the best looking girls seem to be dating douche-bags anyway -
A douche-bag has more chance of pulling poon that Albert Einstein ever did.
Super smart guys fail with women because the 'think too much' - it is that simple -
Hence douche-bags so to speak dont normally put brain into motion and act on instinct - which the smart guy will be trying to put rationality on it - "why am I finding this girl attractive", "what do I need to say", "will she like me".
Or will try to write a book on the female dynamic, whilst never having any real experiance - hence why places like this are underground and mainstream is full of menstral mush.
Guys with experiance can see this kids potential from a mile away.
LovelyLady said:Ummm...
Einstein was married twice, had innumerable affairs, women chasing after him, fathered a child out of wedlock... It doesn't seem like his intelligence hurt his "game" to me (although he did not stay loyal to his commitment to any one woman. I do not believe his inability to keep his word was due to his level of intelligence. But I digress...)
It is not intelligence/high iq in and of itself that is the barrier - but rather what a man "does" with his intelligence.
Two men can receive the same pieces of information and arrive at two completely different conclusions.
The way a man's mind works will either resonate with the inner workings/values/operating system of a woman or it won't. Hence the difference between creating an initial "attraction" (visual) vs. genuine interest (who he is as a Man).
Cory's appeal to some adolescent boys and girls would most likely stem from his general demeanor of not caring - it is an identification with the rebelliousness and the quest for independence of adolescence.
There certainly are men with high iq's who also do not care what consequences their behaviors have on their friends, family, neighbors/community or partner, but that has more to do with their level of emotional development (or lack thereof), what skills they have (or have not ) developed to function successfully within their society, rather than their intellectual development.
The overanalyzing can be a sign of insecurity - but it does not automatically, logically follow that not caring (not being mindful/analytical reflective) is a sign of security/ being a secure/alpha male/man.
Do you actually know guys who are that smart? I work with them (scientists, engineers and IT professionals). Guys who are at that level tend to overdevelop both intellectually and socially. The two biggest pimps I know through work are 150+ IQ - one is a Professor of Physics (who, in his late 50s, still attracts young undergrads) and the other is a Linux System Administrator (late 20s) who bangs strippers and burlesque dancers and looks & dresses like a rock star (he's a Natural too).jonwon said:The biggest failures with women are actually guys who are very smart and I mean IQ up there in the 160+
Well, I guess I misunderstood what you meant when you said this:jonwon said:Case in point, IQ has little to do with the dating dynamic.
As for Albert E. The point was he wasn't a casanova by any degree, any back-street thug could have the same lay record with little effort.
as meaning he had few sexual encounters, when in actuality - he had innumerable ones. I had assumed that is what you meant by "stud". Thank you for clearing that up that that is not what you meant.jonwon said:If women went for intelligence, Albert Einstein would have been a stud.
Wow, 80% that is a fascinating statistic I was not aware of. And if, as you suggest, most intelligent guys don't normally seek out guidance, there must be a huge number of untapped customers for the PUA Industry still out there.jonwon said:It was a response to the fact that IQ has something to do with meeting women and your point is spot on, its how a man comes to the decision by using his IQ or lack-thereof.
But most Highly intelligent guys[/I] - like software Engineers don't normally seek out guidance to shape there choices when it comes to meeting the opposite sex.
Most PUA works-shops are taken up with IT experts - over 80% of workshops are taking up by really smart guys - not dumb jocks! or Douche-bags! That is telling in itself.
Most PUA works-shops are taken up with IT experts - over 80% of workshops are taking up by really smart guys - not dumb jocks! or Douche-bags! That is telling in itself.
I disagree with this. There are a kazillion "Douche-bags, thugs, low IQ guys" that are insecure and question their every move around women. They may not be at the seminars... but it is my experience that intelligent people are generally people who have developed the skill of seeking out sources of the answers to the questions that they have... it is not the question that makes one "stupid", but trather the inability to source the correct answer that separates the intelligent from the unintelligent.jonwon said:They will over think a situation, over-act - over-compensate.
I know I've seen it - they will lement about a situation for days.
Where as a guy with low IQ, half the things the smart guy is thinking about wont even register in his mind.
The guy with low IQ is operating on instinct, he is just acting has nature intended, seeing a women and going up to her and not even putting a scientific spin on it all - not trying to find the A that fits into B - or trying to find the route from A to B to C - He is just doing what he does because deep-down he has a desire to fuc* and thats his motivation.
Just like Money is not attributed to IQ - You dont need to be smart to be rich.
Same goes with pulling poon.
You dont need to be smart to score poon at all.
Granted a smart guy could make the system work in his favour, if he got out of his head once in a while.
But whilst he is studying seduction, that low IQ guy is out doing what he feels and not worrying about XY and Z.
That was the point of the post, hopefully this will make the point a little clearer.
Smart guys actually on average imo do worse when it comes to meeting women - because they 'over think' - and most of them don’t have guidance to channel that thought process and will stand and lement about 'what to do next' - whilst the guy with little IQ is just doing it without thinking of the consequences.
This place is full of smart guys - Douche-bags? Probably nowhere near on par! Douche-bags, thugs, low IQ guys are not lining up for seduction seminars, are not paying money for dating tips and don’t normally frequent these types of forums, because they just don’t 'think' this deeply about it.
I would agree, if you are saying that a disconnect/incongruence between the man's mind, body, and emotional self is the same as not being tempered.jonwon said:Hence I stick to my point, being smart can actually hurt your game - and in adding to it from your post - unless it’s being tempered -
I understand that the way he handled himself while being interviewed through an auditory feed impresses you. I agree that she was initially thrown by his statements that he hadn't thought about things before doing them - I don't think she anticipated him coming right out and saying he didn't even have the foresight to consider the consequences of his choices. Even at 16, there is a certain level of awareness most people consider rational to expect of teenagers. He failed to meet that basic social expectation of development.jonwon said:It's his way he handles himself, the way he holds himself, the way he projects himself - the ability to be cool, calm and collected no matter whats thrown at him, the ability to be ice-cool to the point where the news women lost her state control, her frame.
Actually,I was talking about how his lack of caring as a manifestation of his immaturity, I was not talking about it from the perspective of the effects themselves:jonwon said:You won’t understand because you looking at it from a perspective of how he effected other people.
LovelyLady said:Cory's appeal to some adolescent boys and girls would most likely stem from his general demeanor of not caring - it is an identification with the rebelliousness and the quest for independence of adolescence.
There certainly are men with high iq's who also do not care what consequences their behaviors have on their friends, family, neighbors/community or partner, but that has more to do with their level of emotional development (or lack thereof), what skills they have (or have not ) developed to function successfully within their society, rather than their intellectual development.
I can't really address this because I believe you have based this on a false premise/misunderstanding of what I said - as I addressed just above herejonwon said:This is not about the repercussions and the consequences for others or his cool-ness because of that act - this is looking at it through a female lens whilst missing the whole thing completely - which proves women don’t even know what works on them, when it used on them -
I addressed his demasculinized "peacocking" in an earlier post in this thread regarding the watering down of socially accepted standards of masculine appearance and fashion/ blending of gender identification in dress as being typical of the skins party and how it serves to attract latent homosexuals without having the stigma of being called or considered "fully gay", if you will.jonwon said:It’s not his lack of caring that is attractive about Cory - you miss the point and are seeing this from a female perspective -The way he holds himself, the way he acts - the pea ****ing, the ****y demeanour - the not giving a fcuk attitude - the cool, calm collected nature of how he acts. I don’t expect you to understand, women normally don’t - until that sort of thing sucks them in after they have tossed him some shi* about his glasses.
Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
What you say has a lot truth not the total truth.jonwon said:The biggest failures with women are actually guys who are very smart and I mean IQ up there in the 160+
I've met 4 people from this board in person (Karma, Rollo, Rogue (Deep Dish), and Aenigma), and although ALL of them are highly intelligent, they are far from nerds.FairShake said:PS, since I'm hazarding a guess that EVERYONE on this board is a nerd to some degree or another, just know that girls who like you in your all dork glory are keepers. And they aren't as rare as you might think.
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
Once again, Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic. Edwards is very much an Alpha. He's unprincipled, narcissistic and irresponsible, but he's every bit an Alpha.Jitterbug said:He's calling John Edwards an Alpha. Alpha my arse. The guy married a broad who fell off the ugly tree hitting every branch on her way down, and now is cheating on her with an equally old and fugly broad. And he's up for an expensive divorce, so the first fugly could bend him over and show him how it's done.
Thugs tend to have a lot of street smarts like social and survival skills but not much in the way of book smarts or common sense.Negative_Nancy said:No body said that thugs can't be smart yo
It's because like attracts like in human mating. Women want the men who they can most identify with. Since women can't identify with the high IQ guys, then the high IQ guys have to go to these workshops so they can learn to fake the retarded behavior women so love.jonwon said:Most PUA works-shops are taken up with IT experts - over 80% of workshops are taking up by really smart guys - not dumb jocks! or Douche-bags! That is telling in itself.
They will over think a situation, over-act - over-compensate.
Let's leave moral debate to the side please and look at the facts.Rollo Tomassi said:Once again, Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic. Edwards is very much an Alpha. He's unprincipled, narcissistic and irresponsible, but he's every bit an Alpha.
Alpha ≠ DJ
Some of the most heinous men you'd ever want to know are also the most Alpha, while some of the most principled, ethical and respectable men are the worst Betas.
Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.