ebooks for a newbie please

[blitzwing]

Evening guys :wave:
I would like to ask you about some books to get. Would like to get some good reading to…”understand” this stuff with the femmes. I don’t have time to keep on reading most of the posts & all that, so thats why a more condensed & organized way of learning would be highly appreciated for when I can read on a lap or pad (or whatever I can load the ebooks while on the go) such contents & lessons.
I really trust you guys can provide a good list and not just any crap, helpful things. Things from the “basics” -getting rid of female BS of “nice guy” “I must be everything for him” , telling things while drooling at others, catching their ***** tests, deciphering “womaneze” etc etc- all that kind of stuff; of course more advanced stuff would be welcome but there must be emphasis on the basics for obvious reasons, first things first
Thanks, I’ll be coming soon to check your suggestions.

 

[Masculinity]

Evening guys :wave:
Would like to get some good reading to…”understand” this stuff with the femmes. I don’t have time to keep on reading most of the posts & all that, so thats why a more condensed & organized way of learning would be highly appreciated for when I can read on a lap or pad (or whatever I can load the ebooks while on the go) such contents & lessons.
I really trust you guys can provide a good list and not just any crap, helpful things. .

It sounds like you're pretty inexperienced with women and that's perfectly

fine. Most of us started off this way so welcome to the game! This is one of

the best decisions you've made. I think you need an ebook that

introduces you to the ideas that are common knowledge to the guys in this

forum. I highly recommend David Deangelo's eBook Double Your

Dating. In his book, David discusses the basic male/female dynamics and

how to start getting your game together. Personally, this book set the

foundation to women not making sense.



Be careful though, it sounds like you want to learn too much too fast.

Be aware, this is a long process that will take time, but if you stick to it the

rewards are unbelievable. Start off by reading this book at least three times.

The price is only $20.00 and it is guaranteed. Here is a link to the site:

http://www.doubleyourdating.com/catalog/ebook.html?s=10318&spids=ZVHBZZ,220



The next thing to do is start reading the DJ Bible. The DJ bible is composed of

multiple high-quality writings that were originally threads like this one posted

by guys who understand the game very well. The good side to the bible is that

all the information is already gathered together for you; and since you don't

have much time, you can just go to the site and read at your own pace.

Here is a link to the Bible:

http://www.sosuave.com/bible/bible.htm


Wish you the best of luck, bud! :box:

 

[blitzwing]

Thanks for the reply, I'll take a look at that, I've heard a lot about that book, pros & cons.
If you could also suggest some extra books...as in complimentary or...well, by those who "con" the D Angelo book & got an "opposite" way as better just so I can compare & pounder etc
Finally, before I got to run; What are your thoughts on PUATRAINING.COM? Worthy material? Furthermore, Worthy the fee & inscription?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Alchemystic]

Newbie stuff?

I will compressed it here for you in this thread.

1. Make 1000 girls smile. That's it. Just make them smile. Talk to them with only the intention of making them smile so you can be comfortable with women.

2. Number's Game, Self - Improvement stuff, Confidence Training etc. etc and all the boring stuff.

3. ......... If you had the confidence to not get "Butt Hurt" when a girl puts up resistance then you wouldn't have to read all through the boring escalation techniques stuff. Yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. Zleepy.
I have just compressed 1000 seduction books for you.

P.S.
Remember to love yourself.
Okay, okay, since most of your brains are too slow to decode my advice.
I will explain it for you.

If you love yourself then you would give enough respect for yourself not to put up with all the bull**** that women do and all their flakiness, unfaithfulness, demandingness, test, etc. etc. etc.


Read Pooks Threads And Gamblers puatraining website a.k.a Richard La Ruina and his books are good. But why go through all the hassle when his seduction principles can be summed up into 1 phrase "Experiment, Gamble, Learn".
Well, Actually in can be summed up in one word "Gamble".

 

[blitzwing]

Someone else willing to give good advice & suggestions like Robyn923b rather than **** generic-simplistic-justgottopost like the 1 above?

 

[Hakuna]

Search through this forum for Pook, jophil, Rollo Tomassi, and some others. Also check out Roissy's blog

There is almost nothing that you can buy online that you won't find for free if you put some effort into searching. And based on my experience, the stuff that's really golden is usually offered for free.

If you ARE going to buy something, make sure you see it recommended on SS or something. A lot of the mainstream relationship advice from self-proclaimed dating coaches is highly feminized and regurgitated information. I e; the top 10 google hits when you search "relationship advice for men."

Also, buy stuff that really goes in-depth into a subject. Ebooks titled "9 ways to get laid" or something are usually just selling common knowledge masked with a bland optimism.

 

[Vice]

Vin DiCarlo's escalation ladder is a MUST, dude. You'll thank me later. It goes into detail on a framework of escalating from kissing to sex, and it gives all kinds of practical steps. Great stuff, my sex life has improved vastly, as well as my buddy's who used it to get rid of his virginity. Can't recommend it enough.

David DeAngelo's Deep Inner Game and On Being A Man are also great videos to watch. Awesome stuff.

Sir_Chancealot's Advanced Sexual Techniques is also killer. Read it now.

bitseduce dot com

 

[Vice]

Someone else willing to give good advice & suggestions like Robyn923b rather than **** generic-simplistic-justgottopost like the 1 above?

And one more bit of advice: ignore Alchemystic, the guy's a massive toolbag.

 

[Hakuna]

Art of seduction by Robert Greene is a personal favorite though, more for inspiration than anything else.

 

[Diaforetikos]

The first thing you need to learn is consistency. All the books in the world won't teach you exactly what you need to know a out women. That's why life created experience. You need to go out and socialize with women. But the only why to do this is through constantly approaching women. Gettin out there and getting your hands dirty is the best way to learn. Come back here to track your journey. Use this place as a tool to gather information and small advice.

Here are a few PDFs that I recommend:

The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy
The Book of Pook
Digital download of The DJ Bible

And sorry for this last one guys, but it's loaded with information about women. It's called Magic Bullets. I hate advertising for a company. Sorry.

That's basically all you need. If you wanna improve, practice. Readig will inform, but practice will teach.

 

[Masculinity]

Thanks for the reply, I'll take a look at that, I've heard a lot about that book, pros & cons.
If you could also suggest some extra books...as in complimentary or...well, by those who "con" the D Angelo book & got an "opposite" way as better just so I can compare & pounder etc
Finally, before I got to run; What are your thoughts on PUATRAINING.COM? Worthy material? Furthermore, Worthy the fee & inscription?
Thanks in advance.

Mmm...I took a look at the website you gave me. You came across Gambler's

stuff - an English PUA. I have personally bought his book The Natural Art

of Seduction. Unfortunately, I'm in college and it has just been sitting in

my desk as I haven't had time to read it. Gambler's book has pretty high

ratings online. If you decide to buy his book, though, don't buy it from his

website. You'll end up receiving a load of e-mails, paying more and possibly buying

something you won't like. Get the book from Amazon, instead; it is only about

US$6.50 for a used one and about $8.00 for a new one plus shipping.

Here is a link to the book on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...292397627&sr=8-1&seller=&colid=&condition=new



Secondly, don't go around buying all the stuff that sounds really good. The

guys that put these websites and hook videos together are really into

psychology and know how to get you to buy their stuff and will most

likely take advantage of you and steal your money. I'm a psychology

major and I have wanted to buy their stuff myself - that's how tricky it

is. Try sticking to a reputable person. I, personally have stuck to David

DeAngelo's stuff for the simple reason that it works. No, I don'twant to

sound like I'm trying to sell you hiss stuff, haha, but most guys here

would agree his stuff is awesome. The book I recommended you (Double

Your Dating), comes with two or three other books that will give you a

hand in other areas of your game. Also take a look The Game by Neil

Strauss; his book has almost perfect satisfaction reviews. I'm thinking about

getting that book myself. Again, buy it on Amazon as it is only $18.00 used

and $21.00 new.

Here is a link to the book on Amazon:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...?ie=UTF8&qid=1292398411&sr=8-1&condition=used



Thirdly: puatraning. Their thing is taking guys out and pushing

them to the limit and charge a lot. This is what I have to say to that: :moon:

You aren't even at that level yet, anyway. These books I mentioned will keep

you busy for at least two months, especially since you say you have a busy

schedule. Instead, go out and make friends with some guys who are already

successful with women and listen to what they tell you. Sometimes they may

criticize you, though, but don't take it the wrong way. Thank them and take it

as constructive criticism; after all, they're giving you advice and helping you

out. These guys will dramatically increase your chances of success. Also,

make friends with some attractive women; and don't worry if you're just

friends with them and nothing else because for some reason, they always

turn out to have other amazingly attractive girls with whom they'd love to

hook you up if they see you're a desirable guy - which of course, you will be

after you do your homework. Haha.




Also, think about what you want to get out of this work you're doing. Do you

want a long-term girlfriend? Do you want party girls? Do you want a wife in

the long run? Most guys don't know what they want;hence, they fail to get

it and never feel satisfied - think about that. There is two ways to get where

you want to be: expensive and acceptable quality, and inexpensive and

high quality. You are your own best mentor; by stepping out of your comfort

zone, you will make dramatic changes in your way of thinking, you'll meet

your goals faster, AND you won't spend much. So which one is it going to be,

brother? :yes:



Last, but not least:

David DeAngelo's Deep Inner Game and On Being A Man are also great videos to watch. Awesome stuff.

David DeAngelo's Deep Inner Game and On Being a Man

programs are highly advanced programs that will only confuse you.

His programs build on top of each other. Think of it as this: you have to know

basic arithmetic before you can move to statistics and calculus, otherwise

you'll have no idea what of what you're doing and you'll end up frustrated.

Worry about setting the foundation for now and you can most likely check out

those programs later as you progress.


PS: Thanks for this.

Someone else willing to give good advice & suggestions like Robyn923b rather than **** generic-simplistic-justgottopost like the 1 above?

I try to answer questions thoroughly because I know what it feels to get

crappy answers. You can always add some points to my rep if I helped by

simply clicking on the scale on the left of this sentence. <--

Not that I want to influence you or anything, though haha.

Let me know if you have further questions.

 

[Vice]

David DeAngelo's Deep Inner Game and On Being a Man

programs are highly advanced programs that will only confuse you.

His programs build on top of each other. Think of it as this: you have to know

basic arithmetic before you can move to statistics and calculus, otherwise

you'll have no idea what of what you're doing and you'll end up frustrated.

Worry about setting the foundation for now and you can most likely check out

those programs later as you progress.


PS: Thanks for this.

Woah, I never considered them as advanced, but thanks! I guess his Man Transformation propgram is the equivalent to advanced quantum physics. Man Transformation changed my life for the better, we're talking about over 40 hours of video here. Took me 2 months to watch the whole thing once on a part-time basis.

 

[Mike32ct]

Search through this forum for Pook, jophil, Rollo Tomassi, and some others. Also check out Roissy's blog

There is almost nothing that you can buy online that you won't find for free if you put some effort into searching. And based on my experience, the stuff that's really golden is usually offered for free.

If you ARE going to buy something, make sure you see it recommended on SS or something. A lot of the mainstream relationship advice from self-proclaimed dating coaches is highly feminized and regurgitated information. I e; the top 10 google hits when you search "relationship advice for men."

Also, buy stuff that really goes in-depth into a subject. Ebooks titled "9 ways to get laid" or something are usually just selling common knowledge masked with a bland optimism.

I agree with all of the above. You should first start with the top SSers. If you must go with a "guru," pick ones that are realists, not ones that promise you the world. Here are some that in my opinion give no nonsense advice.

1. RooshV
2. PlayerSupreme
3. Gunwitch

 

[Masculinity]

Woah, I never considered them as advanced, but thanks! I guess his Man Transformation propgram is the equivalent to advanced quantum physics. Man Transformation changed my life for the better, we're talking about over 40 hours of video here. Took me 2 months to watch the whole thing once on a part-time basis.

The programs you mentioned are advanced. Blitzwing is starting out

in the game; he even described himself as a newbie. I haven't watched David's

Man Transformation program, but I have heard good things on it. Over a

few years, I have watched a few of his other programs though: basic ebook,

Advanced Series, ****y and Funny, Approaching Women and Starting

Conversations, Meeting Women at Bars in Clubs, Deep inner Game. He puts a

lot of time and effort in this programs and the result is pure awesome

material. My latest program in progress is Become Mister Right. It's the

programs where he teaches about relationships and keeping an hb10 happy.

It also took me a few months to watch each of the programs part-time.



Should Blitzwing decide to take the next step after finishing reading some

books, the next step would be the Advanced Series. David himself

suggests you work your way up the material even if you don't buy from him.

This guy picks up girls like little girls pick up flowers at the park in the spring.

 

[terran2k]

reading a bunch of ebooks will fvck your head up.
If there was one little pdf that I think you should follow and will take you down the right path is this one:
David X - be relentless.

 

[EFFORT]

Foundations- Real Social Dynamics

 

[Vice]

The programs you mentioned are advanced. Blitzwing is starting out

in the game; he even described himself as a newbie. I haven't watched David's

Man Transformation program, but I have heard good things on it. Over a

few years, I have watched a few of his other programs though: basic ebook,

Advanced Series, ****y and Funny, Approaching Women and Starting

Conversations, Meeting Women at Bars in Clubs, Deep inner Game. He puts a

lot of time and effort in this programs and the result is pure awesome

material. My latest program in progress is Become Mister Right. It's the

programs where he teaches about relationships and keeping an hb10 happy.

It also took me a few months to watch each of the programs part-time.



Should Blitzwing decide to take the next step after finishing reading some

books, the next step would be the Advanced Series. David himself

suggests you work your way up the material even if you don't buy from him.

This guy picks up girls like little girls pick up flowers at the park in the spring.

I'm going to start Become Mr. Right very shortly, I'm in a relationship right now and there couldn't have been better timing.

reading a bunch of ebooks will fvck your head up.
If there was one little pdf that I think you should follow and will take you down the right path is this one:
David X - be relentless.

David X's books are VERY to the point and direct. Killer stuff!

 

[Alchemystic]

An AFC(Average Frustrated Chump) will never understand why the more experience players will just give generic answers. AFC/Nice Guys are too impatient and eager to get a girl to have sex that they will rudely demand for specific answers. The simple matter of a fact is that in this forum NO ONE CAN GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFIC ADVICE on how to get a girl to have sex with you. It is impossible for us to pinpoint exactly what makes you a Loser AFC/Nice Guy because we do not know you personally, you have not describe your attributes/characteristics, you have not define what type girl you want, you not inform us about what your beliefs are, your family history and/or relationship background neither did you give us a view of your world metaphorically.
And even if we do can give specific advice, you will just be playing the wrong role and end up verbalizing scripts which was never intended for your character. No matter how good your acting skills are, if you played the wrong character then you still played it wrong! You will just end up imitating another person. The imitation may get you somewhere but is it really where you wanna go? And is this success even really your personal end goal or did you just copy another persons end goal?

Here another Analogy:

You are a dull, lousy, uncoordinated short – sighted baboon who somehow manages to enter in a professional formula one motorcycle racing team. So, in your first practice race, you keep crashing. So, you go to one of the more experience riders for advice. You asked him what kind of specific motorcycle should you ride in order to win and yet you do not even know how to ride a bicycle. The experience rider gets baffled and says something like, “Your problem is not a lack of specific training manual or advice but the problems is you do not even know how to drive a motorcycle. Just ride a bicycle first, have confidence and practice the basics then maybe then after you’ve gained some skills then you might be able to race up against the major players”.

The guy who doesn’t understand or accept what the experience rider is saying responds with, “But I want specific advice, I want to win the race now. How is some generic advice going to help me in winning the race?

This is the same with an AFC/Nice Guy who complains about generic advice!

Doesn’t the AFC/Nice Guy know that patience is a refine sense of confidence?

The generic advice on being confident and loving yourself is still valid because you will not know what you have to do in order to improve your game unless:

1. You spend months, or even years, in a conscious process of self-improvement.
2. Have studied and understand female psychology, usually first from books and then
“in the field” (in live interactions with women).
3. Have acquired social intuition/cognitive insight from social interaction (i.e. dates, eyeball, tongue wrestling etc.,) so you can recognize and predict patterns of social behavior.
4. Have developed a lifestyle that women found attractive.
5. Have developed a customized technique or a strategy tailored to your own preferences that allows you to make the seduction systems work - skills like reverse – logical bypass, physical escalation, hypnotic communication, tantric orgasms etc. etc.
6. Have been on so many male – female interactions, even if you call them something else, you will still gain some learning advantage.

Here is the real deal.

There is no One True Path/Fit All System that you can use. The truth is….. Any kind of Seduction Strategy or Technique will work once you have taken care of your “Inner Game/Fundamentals” that’s why we usually preach about focusing on refining/correcting the erroneous beliefs of a Nice Guy because no matter how powerful your computer processing hardware is, if it has been encoded with the wrong programming: “It will never run correctly or will never run at all”.

Then these Nice Guys will delude themselves into thinking that they are now PUA/DJ’s but soon they’ll relapse into Nice Guyism faggotry because no matter how much seduction material they have absorbed, the erroneous religious belief and fear inculcated in them that some Troll who sits in a sky named “GOD” will strike them up with lightning bolts and “butt hurt” them to the fiery damnations of hell so they curl down, rationalized AFC/Nice Guyism and hide in the bliss of ignorance again. Then you wonder how possibly could you have relapse despite all the PUA/DJ training?

And for the DdA stuff, Yes, I have attended his seminar and even read some of his books but I also got con just like the many others. I could have spent the thousands of dollars to date women and yet, I wasted it a lousy ****ing seminar. Do not ever make the same mistake I did.

His seminars and books are 85% Bull**** 5% NLP and
10% EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY, the 10% part is good because it talks about evolutionary psychology and evolutionary psychology preaches about respecting yourself when it comes to women. Just skip the bull**** and go right through the evolutionary psychology stuff if you want.

And oh how about the ****y and funny part?

Well, the girls will mistake ****iness as true confidence and the funny/humor only softens the perceive arrogance of being ****y.
If you remove the stuff about respecting yourself in his seduction material then his material will sink.

David de Angelo a.k.a Eban Pagan hires people to search and destroy illegal download links on the internet so that people will not know how crappy his books are. You don’t have to buy his books. I can send you his books through e – mail and you will see how crappy and full of bull**** this Eban Pagan guy is. ( I hope I still haven’t deleted his bull****?)

This guy preaches seducing women through e – mails first which is a rationalization for shy wussy AFC’s. He used to lurk in the Fast Seduction Community with a screen name of sisonpyh which is backwards for hynopsis.

P.S.
I heard he also hires people to lurk in forums to secretly market his book by pretending to be registered users and attacking people with a differing seduction style.



Gambler is one of the best PUA. Alchemystic and Gambler both hate canned openers and other canned materials. I also recommend POOK.

“Teaching an AFC/Nice Guy How to seduce women is like teaching a pre-historic caveman how Television works” and then you wonder why we give only generic advice.



Warning: Reading a bunch of PDF's will only screw your ****ing brains!

 

[Alchemystic]

An AFC(Average Frustrated Chump) will never understand why the more experience players will just give generic answers. AFC/Nice Guys are too impatient and eager to get a girl to have sex that they will rudely demand for specific answers. The simple matter of a fact is that in this forum NO ONE CAN GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFIC ADVICE on how to get a girl to have sex with you. It is impossible for us to pinpoint exactly what makes you a Loser AFC/Nice Guy because we do not know you personally, you have not describe your attributes/characteristics, you have not define what type girl you want, you not inform us about what your beliefs are, your family history and/or relationship background neither did you give us a view of your world metaphorically.
And even if we do can give specific advice, you will just be playing the wrong role and end up verbalizing scripts which was never intended for your character. No matter how good your acting skills are, if you played the wrong character then you still played it wrong! You will just end up imitating another person. The imitation may get you somewhere but is it really where you wanna go? And is this success even really your personal end goal or did you just copy another persons end goal? Plus, we do not want your head to be screwed up by a bunch of theories and philosophies! We want you to venture out and experiment to see what best works for you.

Here another Analogy:

You are a dull, lousy, uncoordinated short – sighted baboon who somehow manages to enter in a professional formula one motorcycle racing team. So, in your first practice race, you keep crashing. So, you go to one of the more experience riders for advice. You asked him what kind of specific motorcycle should you ride in order to win and yet you do not even know how to ride a bicycle. The experience rider gets baffled and says something like, “Your problem is not a lack of specific training manual or advice but the problems is you do not even know how to drive a motorcycle. Just ride a bicycle first, have confidence and practice the basics then maybe then after you’ve gained some skills then you might be able to race up against the major players”.

The guy who doesn’t understand or accept what the experience rider is saying responds with, “But I want specific advice, I want to win the race now. How is some generic advice going to help me in winning the race?

This is the same with an AFC/Nice Guy who complains about generic advice!

Doesn’t the AFC/Nice Guy know that patience is a refine sense of confidence?

The generic advice on being confident and loving yourself is still valid because you will not know what you have to do in order to improve your game unless:

1. You spend months, or even years, in a conscious process of self-improvement.
2. Have studied and understand female psychology, usually first from books and then
“in the field” (in live interactions with women).
3. Have acquired social intuition/cognitive insight from social interaction (i.e. dates, eyeball, tongue wrestling etc.,) so you can recognize and predict patterns of social behavior.
4. Have developed a lifestyle that women found attractive.
5. Have developed a customized technique or a strategy tailored to your own preferences that allows you to make the seduction systems work - skills like reverse – logical bypass, physical escalation, hypnotic communication, tantric orgasms etc. etc.
6. Have been on so many male – female interactions, even if you call them something else, you will still gain some learning advantage.

Here is the real deal.

There is no One True Path/Fit All System that you can use. The truth is….. Any kind of Seduction Strategy or Technique will work once you have taken care of your “Inner Game/Fundamentals” that’s why we usually preach about focusing on refining/correcting the erroneous beliefs of a Nice Guy because no matter how powerful your computer processing hardware is, if it has been encoded with the wrong programming: “It will never run correctly or will never run at all”.

Then these Nice Guys will delude themselves into thinking that they are now PUA/DJ’s but soon they’ll relapse into Nice Guyism faggotry because no matter how much seduction material they have absorbed, the erroneous religious belief and fear inculcated in them that some Troll who sits in a sky named “GOD” will strike them up with lightning bolts and “butt hurt” them to the fiery damnations of hell so they curl down, rationalized AFC/Nice Guyism and hide in the bliss of ignorance again. Then you wonder how possibly could you have relapse despite all the PUA/DJ training?

And for the DdA stuff, Yes, I have attended his seminar and even read some of his books but I also got con just like the many others. I could have spent the thousands of dollars to date women and yet, I wasted it a lousy ****ing seminar. Do not ever make the same mistake I did.

His seminars and books are 85% Bull**** 5% NLP and
10% EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY, the 10% part is good because it talks about evolutionary psychology and evolutionary psychology preaches about respecting yourself when it comes to women. Just skip the bull**** and go right through the evolutionary psychology stuff if you want.

And oh how about the ****y and funny part?

Well, the girls will mistake ****iness as true confidence and the funny/humor only softens the perceive arrogance of being ****y.
If you remove the stuff about respecting yourself in his seduction material then his material will sink.

David de Angelo a.k.a Eban Pagan hires people to search and destroy illegal download links on the internet so that people will not know how crappy his books are. You don’t have to buy his books. I can send you his books through e – mail and you will see how crappy and full of bull**** this Eban Pagan guy is. ( I hope I still haven’t deleted his bull****?)

This guy preaches seducing women through e – mails first which is a rationalization for shy wussy AFC’s. He used to lurk in the Fast Seduction Community with a screen name of sisonpyh which is backwards for hynopsis.

P.S.
I heard he also hires people to lurk in forums to secretly market his book by pretending to be registered users and attacking people with a differing seduction style.



Gambler is one of the best PUA. Alchemystic and Gambler both hate canned openers and other canned materials. I also recommend POOK.

“Teaching an AFC/Nice Guy How to seduce women is like teaching a pre-historic caveman how Television works” and then you wonder why we give only generic advice.



Warning: Reading a bunch of PDF's will only screw your ****ing brains!

 

[joe henny]

Reading books on getting women is like reading a book on boxing and trying to get into the ring. Experience rules. Just get off this site and start meeting women. If you must read I'd only recommend something by Pook or Player Supreme.