dont say anything negative, be positive

[espanish]

this girl asked me how is your night going. I said not good, I am pissed off. she asked why. I said because I hate the state of the economy, everything is expensive, whatever money you have in the bank is about to become worthless. got her number, and she won't stop texting.

and when i tell you there is no such thing as game, you don't believe me.

 

[The Duke]

Ahh, you indirectly communicated that you have a brain and are a financially conservative. Good for you.

 

[Mike32ct]

If she's attracted to your looks...

If you're negative, she'll say, "I like Bob because he's so honest. He keeps it real."

If you're positive, she'll say, "I like Bob because he's so optimistic and makes me smile."

If you're neutral, she'll say, "I like Bob because he's so mysterious/hard to read."

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

So true it’s laughable, man birds are nuts. But then again so are we.

 

[espanish]

If she's attracted to your looks...

If you're negative, she'll say, "I like Bob because he's so honest. He keeps it real."

If you're positive, she'll say, "I like Bob because he's so optimistic and makes me smile."

If you're neutral, she'll say, "I like Bob because he's so mysterious/hard to read."

so there is no such thing as game, either she is attracted to you, or she is not.

 

[Serenity]

so there is no such thing as game, either she is attracted to you, or she is not.

For guys who aren't socially incompetent, yes, this is how it is.

 

[Xenom0rph]

Fellas, the time has come to stop caring about the opinions of women.

While I agree that it's a good idea not to be negative around people (men or women), I agree only because that's just basic courtesy. I don't hide my negative opinions because I actually care wtf a woman would think.

People's lives are much more difficult these days, it's discourteous to add more negativity to their lives by being openly pessimistic.

As mentioned above, if you're a handsome guy, you can be as negative as you want and women will still dig you.

A woman's opinion of a man has nothing to do with his behavior or his character, it's entirely based on his Looks, his Money and his Status in society. That's it.

 

[devilkingx2]

so there is no such thing as game, either she is attracted to you, or she is not.

If you had a twin brother who looked exactly like you, but with the opposite of your personality, would you both have the same results with women?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

this girl asked me how is your night going. I said not good, I am pissed off. she asked why. I said because I hate the state of the economy, everything is expensive, whatever money you have in the bank is about to become worthless. got her number, and she won't stop texting.

and when i tell you there is no such thing as game, you don't believe me.

I told a girl I was married and she still asked to come over that night lol

 

[characternote]

If she's attracted to your looks...

If you're negative, she'll say, "I like Bob because he's so honest. He keeps it real."

If you're positive, she'll say, "I like Bob because he's so optimistic and makes me smile."

If you're neutral, she'll say, "I like Bob because he's so mysterious/hard to read."

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/x1ca0y/_/imcwtu2

 

[characternote]

For guys who aren't socially incompetent, yes, this is how it is.

nah, he's kind of right. You see it in infields too with coaches (guys who are not only 'socially competent' but apparently have elite social skills and all the 'game' in the world lol)

They pull the girls who are clearly receptive to the open, and when they open a girl who is very cold and clearly unintetested, their game is powerless. I used to have a whole hard drive of infields to confirm this

Sometimes people on reddit and stuff are like 'no, i always pull girls who hate me at the open' but it's just fantasy. I mean, isn't is funny how annonymous ppl on reddit without proof can do what pro pua coaches can't do (pros who actually have infields etc). It's like someone on reddit telling me they can run sub 9 seconds for the 100m and expecting me to believe them when no athlete we've ever heard of can do it lol. They're lying. They pull the 'yes girls' just like me and todd V and whoever else people like to use as an example lol

I don't think he's saying that game doesn't matter at all (it's certainly possible that if you have extremely bad game a girl who thinks you are hot will decide to hold out for someone else she thinks is hot but who also isn't overly weird and/or very boring etc). He's just saying that the idea that with 'game' you can force attraction in a girl is fantasy/pua marketing, and i'd have to agree

 

[Serenity]

nah, he's kind of right.

I didn't say he was wrong. To be more clear, my point is that if a guy is socially incompetent it won't matter if a woman is initially interested because that will soon turn around when they notice his incompetence. Meaning there's actually something they can do about it to get better results.

Unlike the socially competent guy who won't ruin his chances with social incompetence. They will have very diminishing returns from improving their game though, at some point it's just good enough and it's simply up to what a woman happens to feel.

 

[characternote]

ah, I see. Yeah, then i'm with you lol

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

The issue with this topic is that OP could be stretching the truth or completely full of shvt. Regardless, he is fueling the black pill erection machine lol.

 

[SW15]

Women get more sexually exciting by upbeat and positive people. Even if your life is complete shiit at the moment, you can't let that on when trying to initially seduce. @espanish was socially inept in the interaction described in the initial post. He's not entirely wrong about the macro state of the economy and the geopolitical climate, but talking about bad macroeconomic conditions is not going to produce the emotional response women need in order to drop their panties.

 

[espanish]

If you had a twin brother who looked exactly like you, but with the opposite of your personality, would you both have the same results with women?

no, that's what I am trying to get at. it's about your personality. there is no game.

 

[devilkingx2]

nah, he's kind of right. You see it in infields too with coaches (guys who are not only 'socially competent' but apparently have elite social skills and all the 'game' in the world lol)

They pull the girls who are clearly receptive to the open, and when they open a girl who is very cold and clearly unintetested, their game is powerless. I used to have a whole hard drive of infields to confirm this

Sometimes people on reddit and stuff are like 'no, i always pull girls who hate me at the open' but it's just fantasy. I mean, isn't is funny how annonymous ppl on reddit without proof can do what pro pua coaches can't do (pros who actually have infields etc). It's like someone on reddit telling me they can run sub 9 seconds for the 100m and expecting me to believe them when no athlete we've ever heard of can do it lol. They're lying. They pull the 'yes girls' just like me and todd V and whoever else people like to use as an example lol

I don't think he's saying that game doesn't matter at all (it's certainly possible that if you have extremely bad game a girl who thinks you are hot will decide to hold out for someone else she thinks is hot but who also isn't overly weird and/or very boring etc). He's just saying that the idea that with 'game' you can force attraction in a girl is fantasy/pua marketing, and i'd have to agree

I can't say I've pulled girls who didn't like me at the open, but I can think of notable examples of girls who clearly didn't want to talk to me at the beginning that changed their minds sharply.

One of them was a girl who was like "what do you want?" What I said hi. And then was extremely warm and open after I cracked a joke

Another one is a girl who seemed like she was trying to give me monotone one word answers to everything I said... But she's a regular at the store and she got progressively warmer and more friendly each time I saw her.

Fellas, the time has come to stop caring about the opinions of women.

While I agree that it's a good idea not to be negative around people (men or women), I agree only because that's just basic courtesy. I don't hide my negative opinions because I actually care wtf a woman would think.

People's lives are much more difficult these days, it's discourteous to add more negativity to their lives by being openly pessimistic.

As mentioned above, if you're a handsome guy, you can be as negative as you want and women will still dig you.

A woman's opinion of a man has nothing to do with his behavior or his character, it's entirely based on his Looks, his Money and his Status in society. That's it.

Women get more sexually exciting by upbeat and positive people. Even if your life is complete shiit at the moment, you can't let that on when trying to initially seduce. @espanish was socially inept in the interaction described in the initial post. He's not entirely wrong about the macro state of the economy and the geopolitical climate, but talking about bad macroeconomic conditions is not going to produce the emotional response women need in order to drop their panties.

I think there's two main reasons to be positive when talking to women or men you want to date or befriend.

1. Nobody wants to talk to or hang out with someone who's depressed or angry or complaining all the time.


2. It'll be really difficult to segway from talking about the war in Ukraine to kissing a girl.

I met a woman from Mexico who works for a non-profit and unlike most people who tell me about Mexico as a vacation paradise, she went all in on the racism and poverty and oppression. I wasn't too interested in getting her number after that lol.

 

[devilkingx2]

I didn't say he was wrong. To be more clear, my point is that if a guy is socially incompetent it won't matter if a woman is initially interested because that will soon turn around when they notice his incompetence. Meaning there's actually something they can do about it to get better results.

Unlike the socially competent guy who won't ruin his chances with social incompetence. They will have very diminishing returns from improving their game though, at some point it's just good enough and it's simply up to what a woman happens to feel.

I agree 100% with your post and point here, however I would say that this makes game/personality/social skills the fourth pillar that's equally as important as LMS.

For example, that same rule about diminishing returns applies to the other elements as well. You're going to get diminishing returns from your looks, money or status unless you can reach top 1% tier. (Most dudes won't be able to make six figures or maintain a six pack or become famous)

no, that's what I am trying to get at. it's about your personality. there is no game.

How do you define game? Is it strictly the mystery method, or running scripted practiced routines and using pickup lines from the internet?

I would say that game is turning attracting women into a science where you try to find effective strategies to maximize results.

And not running game is relying 100% on your actual LMS and whatever your natural personality is.

 

[Serenity]

I would say that this makes game/personality/social skills the fourth pillar that's equally as important as LMS.

I strongly disagree about it being equally as important as LMS. Looks isn't as important for men as it is for women, we're not the ones running around painting our faces, nails and buying a mountain of clothes and shoes to look better. Money is something you need to support yourself and live a good life, you don't need exceptional income or wealth unless you're interested in also attracting gold diggers, just enough to support yourself at the very least. Status follows naturally from game/social skills anyways. Opportunity to make more money also follows from having social skills and being well liked for it. Looks can be compromised on a whole lot if you have your game down.

So if anything your social skills is the foundation, the rest is icing on top of which most of it follows from that solid foundation.

 

[espanish]

I agree 100% with your post and point here, however I would say that this makes game/personality/social skills the fourth pillar that's equally as important as LMS.

For example, that same rule about diminishing returns applies to the other elements as well. You're going to get diminishing returns from your looks, money or status unless you can reach top 1% tier. (Most dudes won't be able to make six figures or maintain a six pack or become famous)



How do you define game? Is it strictly the mystery method, or running scripted practiced routines and using pickup lines from the internet?

I would say that game is turning attracting women into a science where you try to find effective strategies to maximize results.

And not running game is relying 100% on your actual LMS and whatever your natural personality is.

my definition of game is "a set of rules" that one must follow to attract girls.