Don't feel rejected by rejections.

AmsterdamAssassin

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You take for granted that women exists only in two dimensions safe/desperate...you fail to realize that a woman's taste in men is influenced not only from biology but also for culture and upbringing.
No, I don't. Quit putting your theories in my mouth. If you cannot interpret my words correctly, I can elaborate, but I don't cater to other people's confirmation bias.

Regarding the foreign women it's you saying that they are desperate as a rule, it's not the case.
Mail order brides tend to marry for economic reasons. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that is what they are. Exceptions.

What I said is relevant to the topic for the simple fact that a man that gets rejected countless times doesnt have to learn ONLY to improve his approach or the way to socialize with women.
What I'm saying is that men who want to approach women should not be afraid to be rejected, but analyse their approach and see where they could improve.
You talk about scenarios:
There is no lesson to be taken if you try something 100 times and you fail all of them except that you should try something else.
There actually is a lesson there. The lesson is that you don't analyse your attempts constructively if you need a hundred times to reach that conclusion. Anyone who does something a hundred times should be able to adapt and improve. If it takes a 100 approaches for someone to realise that they should try something else, they are lacking analytical thinking.

When I started out there was no manual, no internet, no books on dating. You had to fail and analyse your failures and improve without someone holding your hand and telling you how to do it right. I only wish I had the information at my fingertips, the process used to be much more trial and error. On the other hand, the sheer amount information can paralyse those who have trouble making decisions.

I think that a lot of young daters have too much information and not enough experience, mainly because they chase shortcuts and try to avoid risks. And they can discuss on this board how to approach, but precious few actually improve because they don't even try to get the necessary experience.

You can learn all the theory for horse riding, but if you don't climb on the horse because you're afraid to be thrown off, you won't ever become a rider.
 

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Approaches are at an all time low these days, there’s tons of videos about women complaining about it. I think there’s a larger issue than women are afraid of turning men down because men aren’t even approaching these days. Nobody wants to end up on TikTok or Facebook or whatever.
In-person approaches might be reduced now as compared to 20 or 30 years ago, but that's not a big deal for most women.

Let's compare how many "approaches" a 30 year old single woman in 1998 fielded as compared to a 30 year old single woman fields in 2023.

A 30 year old woman in 1998 likely wasn't using dating websites like Match.com in 1998. Dating websites existed in 1998, but were still stigmatized. A 30 year old in 1998 had to get approached at a variety of places in the real world. A 30 year old single woman in 1998 would have gotten herself out in the real world and would have found ways to get approached.

In 2023, a 30 year old woman can field 10x or more approaches than her 1998 equivalent without leaving her home. All she has to do is put up an Instagram profile and a profile on 1-2 swipe apps. She might also get some DMs on LinkedIn if she's white collar. In 2023, a woman hasn't had to leave her home for the past 10-15 years in order to arrange first dates. She might arrange better quality first dates as a result of leaving her home, but that's optional.

Most women might get fewer approaches in the real world now than their 1993, 1998, or 2003 equivalents, but that doesn't matter that much since the 2023 woman has more overall options from the digital world as compared to her 1993, 1998, or 2003 equivalents.

When a woman rejects you, she's giving you valuable information about yourself and your approach. Just because you're attracted to her enough to approach her, doesn't mean she is attracted to you. Even when you see signals indicating mutual attraction, you can still get rejected on traits that weren't visible from a distance.

Receive a rejection like you'd receive negative feedback. The more information you receive, the better the rejection will help you to improve on yourself by pointing out your unattractive qualities.
If some man has a rejection rate of near 100%, that's going to be problematic. Some level of individual rejection isn't good but if a man does 50 approaches and doesn't arrange at least one first date or doesn't get same night sex from those approaches, it's a real issue. While some of the individual 50 rejections can be written off and ignored, the collective outcome cannot be ignored.

In general, approaching strangers in the real world does have a low success rate. A guy like @nicksaiz65 has kept approach logs on this forum and he's had 20-30 approach nights not resulting in any outcomes.

Swiping on apps and sending DMs on Instagram generally also has a low success rate too. However, a lot of the rejections aren't real time, and that can be a good thing. Trying to have success using swipe apps or from Instagram DMs is more frustrating than even most real world stranger approach methods. In general, I'd recommend finding dates in the real world as compared to the swipe apps and Instagram.

The best way to reduce rejection rate is to only date through social circle methods.

Many women will not reject directly, they will use the "I Have A Boyfriend" excuse or something similar. This is not because they secretly want you to challenge that*, but because they know from experience is that many guys do not handle rejection very well. There's a saying, "men fear ridicule, women fear violence". There are enough examples of irate rejected men who feel 'honour bound' to punish the woman rejecting them by beating up the woman / throwing acid / outright murdering her for the audacity to refuse them. If a woman actually rejects you directly she either trusts you not do anything stupid or she's armed and prepared to violently protect herself.
IHAB is bullshiit. Mostly every IHAB should be challenged with a boyfriend destroyer line.

I've gotten so few IHABs in the past decade that I thought the IHAB was dead. I thought women had moved beyond the IHAB and were using more sophisticated excuses.

Most rejections will be soft rejections, as most conversations will fizzle out naturally before there is an ask out. Most conversations fizzle out in 30-60 seconds when approaching strangers in non-bar settings. Bar approaches might go slightly longer, but not much longer. There's an expectation of approaching in nightlife venues, whereas a woman isn't expecting an approach in a non-bar setting.

I generally agree most of your posts, but I do not with this post. First and foremost, guys need to accept that they can’t attract every girl. The second point is that there can be a million different reasons on why a woman isn’t attracted to you. Furthermore, some can be non physical related not entirely your fault. The most common two reasons are that she is not emotionally available or you are not her type. Given these two reasons alone, how does her feedback benefit you? It really doesn't tbh, it might make you even more upset. You are better off just telling her have a nice day and moving forward.

For example, you are talking to this girl, but you do not know that she has this guy that's her idea type on her number one spot that she is waiting to show a sign of commitment. Eventually he does, and she tells you that things aren't going to work out because she doesn't feel a spark and you dig deeper to find out there's another guy. Digging deeper, lets say you actually know this guy and you know for a fact that you make more money than him, physically more attractive than him, and etc. However, it is because he reminds her of her ex BF and she gets the butterflies with him. How does this help you improve your game?
The best way to reduce failed approach rate is to be good looking. Being 6'0"+ and fit helps a lot. Bigger muscles help. Looks matter more than money in the first 30-60 seconds of approaches. Money can be evident in certain approaches but money matters more if you can get that first date or get the initial approach beyond a few minutes.

I agree with a lot of what's said in this post.
 
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Is it immoral for you to move to a market that value you more? I dont think so, I consider it a life hack.
You see a market, affluent westerners buying brides. I see women selling themselves to have a better life. It's two sides of the same coin. A marriage out of economic convenience.
You consider it an option. A life hack even. I consider it 'the last resort'.
You bring morals into the equation, I don't care about the moral aspect. What is moral in one place is immoral or amoral in another place.
 

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pro PUA's/coaches get rejected a huge percentage of the time
When one gets rejected, they will tell the client 'it was because your approach angle was a few degrees off' or 'you're eye contact wasn't strong enough' or 'you asked her a question. Never ask questions. Make cold reads' etc etc

In truth, he just wasn't her type. There's never anything to learn from a rejection unless you literally acted in a completely weird/oddball way and spat whilst you spoke and were starring at your feet the whole time etc lol. The only thing to take away (other than you not being her type) is to get better at spotting IOI's (so that the girls you approach are the ones who are likely attracted to you hence a much much lower rejection rate)

Old PUA's have about a 1 in 10000 shot at banging some super hot 18 year old at the bar lol
 

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There's never anything to learn from a rejection unless you literally acted in a completely weird/oddball way and spat whilst you spoke and were starring at your feet the whole time etc lol. The only thing to take away (other than you not being her type) is to get better at spotting IOI's (so that the girls you approach are the ones who are likely attracted to you hence a much much lower rejection rate)
Agree with this. It is a perfect assessment.

pro PUA's/coaches get rejected a huge percentage of the time
Random stranger approaches in the real world are low percentage efforts in general, even with solid Game.
 

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You see a market, affluent westerners buying brides. I see women selling themselves to have a better life. It's two sides of the same coin. A marriage out of economic convenience.
You consider it an option. A life hack even. I consider it 'the last resort'.
You bring morals into the equation, I don't care about the moral aspect. What is moral in one place is immoral or amoral in another place.
You are limited in your views where you see the value a man can provide is only economical and men abroad seek desperate women that want to leave their country (your words on post 35).

Thats the same way of thinking that shaming technique lovers use, its used from women and men trying to humble brag but again its ridicolous.

Most women I dated in northern and eastern europe were all more wealthy than me and were perfectly fine to stay there, we got together out of physical and personal attraction.

I'm glad that you didnt mention stolen passports at least.

Nobody is buying women or any other media BS, some men simply move where women are of a better quality or more tuned with their SMV.

The best way to reduce failed approach rate is to be good looking. Being 6'0"+ and fit helps a lot. Bigger muscles help. Looks matter more than money in the first 30-60 seconds of approaches. Money can be evident in certain approaches but money matters more if you can get that first date or get the initial approach beyond a few minutes.
Exactly, the success of an approach is 90% dependant on the work you did on yourself before, that remaining 10% is not being weird of screw it up.
 
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In truth, he just wasn't her type. There's never anything to learn from a rejection unless you literally acted in a completely weird/oddball way and spat whilst you spoke and were starring at your feet the whole time etc lol. The only thing to take away (other than you not being her type) is to get better at spotting IOI's (so that the girls you approach are the ones who are likely attracted to you hence a much much lower rejection rate)
This
 

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Approaches are at an all time low these days, there’s tons of videos about women complaining about it. I think there’s a larger issue than women are afraid of turning men down because men aren’t even approaching these days. Nobody wants to end up on TikTok or Facebook or whatever.
 

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Wheter guys restart to approach women or not as in the past, I hope women will keep NOT approaching men cause that opens to a whole new set of problems to us.

Rejection is 100 times better than defusing a potential bomb.
 

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That brings the problem to a whole new level where basically even guys not attempting an approach risk to get doxxed and ridiculed online cause they made the mistake of taking more that a couple of seconds to look in a certain direction.

We actually reached the point where many men on purpose avoid looking in a certain direction at a the gym or avoid any social interaction if they feel that something could go wrong.

There was a clip from a gym where a girl was stuck under the squat bar asking for help and no men nearby noticed it, she had to wait a couple of minutes till an other woman passed.

That's an obvious attention seeker that any socially calibrated man would avoid.

The woman is filming herself doing squats ... if at any time she was in real difficulty, she could've just dropped the bar. Also, she isn't crying in distress 'hey, help me!' or suchlike she just utters a couple of weak 'excuse me'. Right at the end, I hear her saying 'can you help me' which again, considering she's filming (which basically is a big, red warning sign which reads: AW - DO NOT engage) and that she's in no actual danger, the appropriate answer would be: help you with what?
 

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"I'm your new boyfriend."
"But, I have a boyfriend."
"Yes, I know you didn't expect to have a boyfriend, but now you have one."
 
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