Does it get better after 30?

[Lexington]

I've read in some articles that after 30, the tables turn in the gender equation. All of a sudden men find their value continues to rise whereas women's value begins to tank as soon as they hit 30. I guess this is because men still have their looks and reproductive value and they also are also more established career-wise. Interestingly, most of these articles were written by women and they were lamenting how unfair it was.

Maybe the grass always seems greener on the other side, but I do see a lot of girls in their mid 20s getting with guys in their 30s. Some of them have even told me they prefer 30 somethings because those guys tend to have their **** together and they're more mature. They also tend to have more money than guys in their 20s as well.

Thoughts? Has this been the case for folks here?

 

[KarmaSutra]

It's true Brother. For guys who give a damn about their future, at 30 we have to get down to making our lives our priority.

The time for fvcking around making the same bullsh!t mistakes, without appreciating the perspectives and the fresh respect from those mistakes, should be long buried.

 

[Kailex]

My second life started at 29.
Ever since then, it's ALL been uphill for me.

If I ever knew that it didn't stop at 29, I would have started the process sooner. Granted, I'm 31, so I see a LOT of single "desperate" women (closing pregnancy window), but NOTHING like when I was 21 or even 25.

 

[Jeffst1980]

MUCH better (though admittedly, I'm barely in my 30's myself). It's oh so amusing to watch guys in their early 20's get baffled by s#it tests, act way too needy, and be flat out INTIMIDATED by girls their own age. Socially, girls are WAY ahead of their male counterparts at this age, so when they DO meet someone socially mature, it's a bit of an epiphany for them. Some might proclaim 30 and above too "old" to date, but most will be extremely curious.

If you've made self improvement a priority, you will simply DESTROY the competition in your 30's. However, guys that still "don't get it" in their 30's are going to have it rough, because you don't get the "fool's mate" kind of lays that you get in college anymore. If you can't approach or lead an interaction, you are going to have major problems finding women--especially if you've grown accustomed to women picking YOU up.

I think it's 10x worse for the generation coming up behind us, because they are socially programmed to believe that hitting on girls is "creepy," while it's ok for women to make the first move and be the aggressor. These guys no longer care about being masculine and just want to look "cute," in the hopes that girls will pick THEM up. Add to this the backlash towards the mainstreaming of PUA and you have a generation of males more clueless than ever before. Hopefully, experience will be a kind teacher, but I have a feeling many of them are going to enter their 30's with no idea how to meet women outside of a college setting.

 

[Colossus]

I can see the tide turning, but I'm still a few months off from 30. The thing that gets more difficult is that you have to get out there and generate new things yourself. In college, and even a few years after that, it's not terribly difficult to coast on the party years and essentially let indiscretion and alcohol do their thing. However, if you have spent the latter part of your 20's self-improving; whether that be in school, building a business, fitness, etc...you will be way ahead of the game.

What you will find is that women in their 30's are in more of a position of NEED because of their reproductive expiration. What gives MEN the advantage is that we finally start to get a grasp on the social aspects of game (even if you're not a 'player'), our careers are coming into fruition and our looks are still solid; provided we put the work in to fitness and clothing and dont eat like crap.

A guy in his early 30's who has his sh!t together can pretty much write his own ticket, provided he has the experience and wisdom to make productive moves.

 

[zekko]

It's definitely true in my experience. I guess this is why:
Women appreciate a mature man.
A lot of guys, maybe most guys in their 20s are just boys, really.
Men in their 30s are generally fully established in their lives, guys in their 20s are still working toward it, even still trying to figure things out.
And it's said men get better looking as they get older. A little age gives character, which doesn't seem to hurt men.

 

[Slickster]

My 20's were great too but in my 30's I really noticed how much easier things became.

Confidence went thru the roof especially with younger women.

 

[Lexington]

Socially, girls are WAY ahead of their male counterparts at this age, so when they DO meet someone socially mature, it's a bit of an epiphany for them.

A lot of guys, maybe most guys in their 20s are just boys, really.

Excellent points. Even now at 26 I'm having a far easier time with 20-24 year olds than I did when I was those ages. Looking back, I guess most girls were ahead of the guys when it came to sex, relationships etc. It takes the boys a few years to catch up.

 

[Robert28]

a LOT of women around my age (30) are either divorced, divorced with kids, got their second wind of going to a bar EVERY stinking weekend...hell even weekdays for that matter, and apparently a new fad.....seperated. this is in my area ofcourse. you'd be surprised how many women ask me "what's wrong with you?" when they learn i'm 30, never been married OR divorced for that matter, no kids(i know how to use a condom), own my own house, am not in debt up to my @$$, have a good job. the funny thing is they want ME to prove to THEM what i have to offer in a relationship.haha! little do they know that i am the one that weeds them out for lack of bringing anything sufficient to the table when it comes to dating.

i will say this though, dating is alot harder when you hit 30 it seems...hell 26 for that matter. you dont realize all the b.s. you were putting up with and now that your old enough to realize it, you wish you didnt know.

 

[zekko]

Another possibility (just a theory really) is that guys in their 30s are more muscular than their 20 year old counterparts. Now you could show me a study that said guys in their 20s actually carry more muscle and I wouldn't be a bit surprised. But guys in their 30s at least look more muscular, they're bigger and bulkier. Maybe some of it is fat, but they've left that scrawny adolescent look far behind them. They look like real men. Guys who have been lifting, working out, or doing hard physical work will be showing some cumulative effects of this by the time they're 30.

i will say this though, dating is alot harder when you hit 30 it seems...hell 26 for that matter. you dont realize all the b.s. you were putting up with and now that your old enough to realize it, you wish you didnt know.

Yeah, I remember when I was that age I was really losing patience with putting up with the routine garbage of dating, it just gets tiresome after awhile. Maybe that's another reason guys will "settle down" when they get older, they just get tired of dealing with the BS.

 

[Knight's Cross]

Everything's a Balance Lexington,
It's gotten better for me in the sense that at 40 I'm making good $, payed off alot, own my own place, pretty much do what I want on my schedule. Women in their 30's are definitley seeking husband material. They know their shelf life of looks is coming due. So what I look for is a woman that's early to mid 30's that can still rock a bikini. I'm more interested in one that's figure is going to hold, and I can see raising my kids. The problem is there aren't many of those that haven't been thru the divorce/ kids cycle. My preference is one that's not got leftover drama. Tough to find. In the south (GA, AL, SC) you find it's common for women to get married early. So there's not alot of single's out there in the 30-35 range. If they have never been married, it's not always a red flag, but usually a yellow. If they were married, usually there's kids involved.
As far as life goes, getting over 30 definitely made it easier for me. I'd say the most women I dated was in my 30's. Chased alot, and got with alot. The difference now is I don't put up with the behavior that I did then. I used to allow women to get away with alot. I don't think I knew my value, as I got towards 40 years old, I realized sex was sex, and that it wasn't worth the BS I'd take from some women. Today, I cut off women that try to pedestalize their value. I don't blame them for their behavior. Women do what they think they can get away with, and what social conditioning has taught them. Don't reward them and they usually just go onto the next sucker.
KC

 

[DMSR76]

i will say this though, dating is alot harder when you hit 30 it seems...hell 26 for that matter. you dont realize all the b.s. you were putting up with and now that your old enough to realize it, you wish you didnt know.

It's quite true that ignorance can be bliss... for a little while, at least.

But that's the difference that maturity makes. To piggyback what KC said, there comes a point when a man becomes a lot less tolerant of unsavory behavior from women (hell, people in general for that matter).

I F-close fewer women now because I'm no longer inclined to jump through hoops for sex. There comes a time when dignity and kingdom-building takes precedence over poon. For most men, that time is the 30s and 40s.

 

[Knight's Cross]

Bingo DMSR76! I don't even care if they are unbelievable hot anymore. If they are drama, they are out. Another key factor in my ejecting last girl was she could'nt stand that I was working 60+ a week building that empire. To her, I was not focused on,"us". What utter BS. I pulled the eject handle over a couple things, but building my empire was non-negotiable.
KC

 

[squirrels]

There may be something to this.

The funny thing is if your game is reasonably solid and THEN you hit your stride, you can reach the point where you start to overwhelm them. Like they start thinking they're in over their head with you.

The game actually starts to get HARDER because, along with women's changing views, the style that got you laid in your 20s no longer works...in fact, with the value of a successful 30-something behind it, it's pretty much overkill.

 

[49au]

You're saying women leave you because they feel you're out of their league?

 

[Randy van Warmer]

You bet it gets better... I am 50 this year, and things are getting better and better every day. I have got experience and wisdom to carry it off with style...

 

[Burroughs]

good stuff here.

I work with a fair number of high networth individuals over 40 mostly in pharma venture cap...the one thing I hear from them is that they can pull the good quality 30+ if their $ is in order, but they would kill just to get a taste of a hot 22 year old...for one night only

Anyone who could get an organized prostitution system legalized in the US a la the Netherlands would be a billionaire

 

[Lexington]

good stuff here.

I work with a fair number of high networth individuals over 40 mostly in pharma venture cap...the one thing I hear from them is that they can pull the good quality 30+ if their $ is in order, but they would kill just to get a taste of a hot 22 year old...for one night only

Anyone who could get an organized prostitution system legalized in the US a la the Netherlands would be a billionaire

It already exists, it's called an escort service. It's what cost Elliott Spitzer, the former governor of New York, his job.

I guess 22 year olds are a little too immature to care all that much about money. But after girls graduate college and live in the real world for a while (i.e. after they're off off Daddy's payroll), they start to care more about money....pure sex appeal doesn't do it anymore.

Girls around my age realize that they can't maintain the same lifestyle with most guys in their 20s. Most of us are only at the beginning of our careers so we don't have as much disposable income compared to guys in their 30s and beyond.

Also, as you get older, widening age gaps become more acceptable. When you were 20, it would have been inappropriate to date a 15 year old. But at 35, it's perfectly acceptable to date a 25 year old.

That's not to say you can't pull in your 20s. But lately I've just noticed a lot of girls around my age are dating guys 5 years or more older. Many of the ones who are with guys of the same age started dating them when they were younger.

 

[Jeffst1980]

You're saying women leave you because they feel you're out of their league?

I think what he means is that there's a real danger of "overgaming." If you are a well put together man in his 30's running routines, it's REAL difficult not to come off as a player. And, while younger women might chase players, women that are looking to settle down will NOT.

Ignore the "women would rather share a successful man..." business, because it doesn't exactly work that way. After a certain age, women begin to value stability and a man's ability to provide more than raw sexual chemistry. This is really the reason PUA game is geared toward the 18-25 demographic; you don't need "game" with women in their thirties. In fact, it might even be counterproductive.

If you're a successful man in his thirties with "game," realize that you're EXPECTED to aim higher, so to speak.

 

[zekko]

Ignore the "women would rather share a successful man..." business, because it doesn't exactly work that way. After a certain age, women begin to value stability and a man's ability to provide more than raw sexual chemistry. This is really the reason PUA game is geared toward the 18-25 demographic

Good stuff here.
Also Lex's point about girls being able to live a higher lifestyle with guys in their 30s.