Do men even care anymore?

[Hamurabimbi]

Those are the worst, it’s like an awkward interview.

Either way, it will never be in your favor. I counter-propose for in-person, if she doesn’t accept…Bye Felicia

Well. I get to FT her as well. So I don’t mind.

 

[SW15]

there has been a lot of workplace dating

There's data out there that has shown workplace dating has been falling since the 1990s.

a lot of people have went back to dating people they knew in high school.

Heather Locklear did that but I haven't heard of other cases of that.

A lot of people don't live in the same geographic area as high school 15-30 years after high school graduation.

 

[Chow Mein]

I never meet women from online without FaceTiming them. I can read micro expressions very well and can tell from 5 minutes of FaceTiming whether it's in my interest to continue.

I also vet new PTSD clients through FaceTiming first, before I allow them to visit my home. Since I was stalked twice, I consider these reasonable considerations.

As I rejected several women who looked fine from photos, I wouldn't meet a strange woman who approaches me through social media (I don't use dating apps) without FaceTiming first.

You’ve piqued my suspicion

 

[jhonny9546]

Without that natural chemistry, it’s not going to work

You guys might want to learn more about this.
Me too

 

[Solomon]

I just wanted to say I don't have any complaints. Its all good times. I'm getting older, but they aren't! I put in the work and did the time to be where I'm at. Its never been easier. I hope you guys are blessed with pu$$y next year and pipeman gets all those virgins he dreams of.

Congrats brother we need more posts like this instead of the whining, complaining, and geofencing. loooksmaxxing woe is me posts
2024 was a dencet year dating wise 2025 though the focus will be moreso on quality than quantity fort me

 

[Gamisch]

Everyone seems to be looking for a new angle on how to meet women. But the old ways are still working just fine though. The only setback that I have encountered with a famine of pvssy is that I get in my own way. I sabotage my own inner game. I stop going out less, stop forging friendships, take life to seriously etc.
To slay and find a potential girlfriend you gotta be out there like someone owes you money, man.

Game has changed a bit but there’s a core element that will never change. Women like an attractive guy who leads the charge. Throw in a light bad boy vibe, maybe project a lifestyle with substance and you got a winning strategy.

This 1000% .

To slay and find a potential girlfriend you gotta be out there like someone owes you money, man.


Period. Most dudes don't wanna put in the effort it takes to be at least ready when opportunities present themselves. They wanna hit the gym for 4 months and expect that hb9 falls out of the sky . Or they "only" hit the gym but never work on overcoming the " innerbytch "inside. nlw you kist a muscular biatch.

I started to notice this with some homies overtime. They just don't wanna put in ANY effort, style wise, no gym , ofcourse never study game . Just being angry that you can't go the girlfriend store and pick a " traditional woman " from the shelf.

No fugging urgency. Untill they decide to passport bro and think that will solve all their problems ..

 

[jhonny9546]

Most dudes don't wanna lut inthe effort it takes

I confirm that I struggle with GAME.
And I told myself that now that I've "fixed" appeareance, I must delve into it.

 

[Gamisch]

I confirm that I struggle with GAME.
And I told myself that now that I've "fixed" appeareance, I must delve into it.

Repost with my typos corrected please

Read the bolded part ten times a day. Most of us ( myself included) believe that "tomorrow " everything will be fine. And boom suddenly years pass you by.

 

[jhonny9546]

Repost with my typos corrected please

Read the bolded part ten times a day. Most of us ( myself included) believe that "tomorrow " everything will be fine. And boom suddenly years pass you by.

Correct, but what out there means, since everyone have different goals and opportunities, like mine is not to slay party woman, but instead find good "keepers".
Is getting the experience with party woman the only way to not ruin your identity in your local community?

 

[Gamisch]

Correct, but what out there means, since everyone have different goals and opportunities, like mine is not to slay party woman, but instead find good "keepers".
Is getting the experience with party woman the only way to not ruin your identity in your local community?

Here's the thing; when a woman _wants to get married_ she has to invest in herself while becoming a desirable woman to the (type of ) man she wants. Desirable man is NOT gonna accept an obese woman with all kinds of issues who does only wants to start working on herself after he put a ring on that. That's like wanting to get paid before doing the job.

Simultaneously she gotta be where he will/ might be. That can range from a festival to an event in town to a concert to a ..social circle event to just a walk in the park ect.

Same goes for men looking for women. You get no script. You never know where and when "she" will appear , you just gotta be ready. Do you put everything on everything to find that type? Physically, spiritually, financially and emotionally? Or do you think you will just swipe right on a cutie and that's it?

One more thing: there is no such thing as party girl, or house wife or ho3 and such. Every woman goes through phases. Today she can be a party girl but next year she can be a devoted mother and vice versa. YOUR JOB is to work on yourself so you increase your chances of meeting multiple "hers". Might take 1 week or 10 years , who knows? You might be surprised how rapid things can move once you " search for it like someone owns you money ".

(I requested if you could repost with my typos corrected. I take time to answer your questions, so honour my request as well. Something to consider in future communications )

 

[pipeman84]

Back in reality though I kind of like it , the competition isn't that strong and on a night out women will 9/10 fvck the guy that can hold conversation the longest and executes the kill

I picked a chick up in a concert Friday night , she stuck to me like glue ....... 3 of my mates fvcked it up with her friend (who was also looking for get laid ) all of them just being too passive

at 3am I tell my chick we are going home ,

A bit of last min resistance but sure enough we are on the way back to my place

my mates stay out with her mate until 7am and still nobody could close

Guys are fvcking useless these days

Ain't nobody got time for this shyt man. Between porn and hookers, who wants to waste a night to maybe get a chance to fvck some half drunk bimbo? Don't you have work or stuff to do the next day? Moreover, the mix of alcohol and lost night sleep isn't good for your health, particularly when you're over 30. You may or may not fvck the bimbo, but you definitely fvck your neurons and general health.

I hope you guys are blessed with pu$$y next year and pipeman gets all those virgins he dreams of.

One is enough.

 

[Gamisch]

Ain't nobody got time for this shyt man. Between porn and hookers, who wants to waste a night to maybe get a chance to fvck some half drunk bimbo? Don't you have work or stuff to do the next day? Moreover, the mix of alcohol and lost night sleep isn't good for your health, particularly when you're over 30. You may or may not fvck the bimbo, but you definitely fvck your neurons and general health.

One is enough.

Although bar and club numbers are going down, it's still in the top3 of meeting women.

I agree that it's not always a great option. Personally I also don't like to drink, but the "Friends series type of cafés " are also hard to find.

This is why men are severly struggling with dating. The club is no option, OLD is jot an option and neither is spam approach. What's left?

 

[CaptHowdy]

I’m new here. I just cast a wide net so to speak. Online dating apps, my gun club has a lot of women shooters, parties at friends houses, etc.

I’m not really looking for a relationship or soul mate. I’m 65, fit and pretty active in my hobbies so women are just a fun distraction for me.

I’d be happy with a F-Buddy/companion type relationship. After 2 marriages I’m done with serious relationships.

 

[CaptHowdy]

I forgot to add that two of my buddies have Filipino wives now. They went with women in their 40’s and they are still pretty good looking. Both couples have been together 5 plus years.

if I wanted a wife I’d probably check it out, but I’m comfortable with the occasional “pump and dump” for now.

 

[DJ Novice]

Women are initially attracted to guys with confidence and a personality who can make them laugh, stimulate their emotions, treat them well without simping, listen to them talk without talking about and big noting themselves and dominating the conversation and are not afraid to voice their own opinions. This is the ‘spark’ that women talk about.

If you dress and groom well, work out so you have a decent physique, wear nice cologne (in short be attractive, not unattractive) and can hold a conversation you will be ahead of most guys at least initially.

Money and status do make a difference as well but these can be more harder to generate.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Yeah, i've seen lots of studies and articles and stuff over the last 4-5 years. Stuff that says 'young people are having less sex than ever before!' etc which is kind of big. Most guys, just aren't getting laid anymore. And most of those who do get laid aren't doing so with the sort of girls they truly want!

It's only very recently that i've noticed more of an apathy about it, though. Frustration has been replaced with a kind of acceptance. I have a fairly large social circle and can see lots of it first hand. Guys haven't gotten CLOSE to getting laid for YEARS. Normal guys with decent jobs etc. They go to the gym too. They could get laid (with very average looking girls) if they put some effort in (way way more approaches and just being more social), but they know that they aren't good looking enough (or famous lol) to get the young smokeshows they desire and they seem to be content with other avenues of pleasure. Travelling, sports, videogames, gym etc.

Similar with lots of the younger guys I work with. I talk to them about this stuff. I think the blackpill is just so mainstream nowadays and it's just impossible to argue against it. (them guys also have good looking friends who clean up with girls and they can't ignore how it all works, just like the generation before them! maybe the smartphone stopped girls having to settle at all lol. Now the hot ones can hit up an nfl player on insta! ). But yeah, the interesting thing in recent years is that some of that 'frustration' i'd previously seen seems to have waned. They seem to be content enough with gym and videogames etc, and i'm assuming online p0rn etc. Leaving the hot girls to celebs and just guys who hit the genetic lottery lol.

Inevitable result of MGTOW's chief evangelists preaching "Society doesn't care about you, so retreat from it, until The Gender Gods rain fire down on Western Civilization, for not maintaining The Golden Age that was The 1950s, where life was a paradise for anyone born male. Then, we'll build the Kingdom Of Heaven on Earth, one free of all bias, prejuduice, and social inequality against men"

And entirely too many men never asking either MGTOW's preachers or themselves: "When did it become society's obligation to not simply provide everyone with unobstructed access to opportunity, but to CARE for us? As if we're toddlers"

 

[BaronOfHair]

Females being delusional with their demands is why there are more men checking out of the dating market, which is what this thread is about

The Manosphere rendition of The Woke Left's favorite canards: "The ills which disproportionately trouble the world's non-whites are MOSTLY the fault of colonialism and White Western meddling. It's not remotely possible that at least 50% of what keeps The Third World in squalor is some of the behavior that's epidemic among folk who reside in those benighted parts of the globe"

As enjoyable as saying such things may make us FEEL temporarily, they also deprive us of our power to really ameliorate our own hardships

 

[Ottocinclus]

Noticing less traffic from newcomers and male dating advice content in general. It seems to have fell after Andrew Tate was taken down. In addition, I notice higher female ratios out in public now as opposed to sausage fests.

I never go out specifically to meet women anymore, yeah, but I've gotten way more into my hobbies and connecting with people along those lines. Surfing, cycling, nutrition/health groups, and others. I've even taken up playing pool. I never realized, before, that the local pool sharks congregate late in the evening at a bar by my house. Now I'm in the crew.

Funny, I meet way more women this way, without even trying. They usually just start the conversation or find some other way to "open" me. Unfortunately, my current venues still have a higher sausage ratio, but I do notice the higher female ratios at more mainstream places.

 

[PalmaSailor]

All I can say is it seems that young men right now are in a very bad place.

 

[jhonny9546]

One more thing: there is no such thing as party girl, or house wife or ho3 and such. Every woman goes through phases.

A good woman, a good girl from a family-oriented background, can be promiscuous, prone to betrayal, and always interested in new guys she encounters in everyday environments. You can make her a mother and a good housewife, but she will cheat on you. This is very common. She has done it in the past, and she will do it in the future. It's really about phases, and when she will have children and everything is ok, she will go back to that "adventure" phase she had in the past.

However, I can understand what you are saying.