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Originally posted by EternalBachelor
I am finishing uni in a years time, so I was wondering what the prospects were like after uni, Austin? Other than work (which is a no-no) where do you meet quality women?
Move to a decent area in london..

I've just moved to notting hill, (been there 5 months)

I can't believe the amount of totty about!! Its unbelievable. Unfrotunately the girls are ALOT more classy than the ones i've met before, and in general alot older than me (I'm 23, I keep meeting hot girls that are 28+) so they're not so interested in a younger guy and its alot harder to get interest..

I'm working on it though, and in fact think I've got a couple of my (older) flatmates friends interested in me (see my other recent posts), I just need to close the deal.

defintely you get a better class of woman if you go to the right places in a big city. Earn some money and don't live in the stix.
 

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Originally posted by EternalBachelor
Lol, Austin, things have not changed. It seems most of the girls are so insecure that they need to have these long-term relationships and cannot go a day without having a boyfriend.
And yeh, the pub/club scene is pretty easy and I usually get slappers (usually drunk) hitting on me, but I was really looking for a girlfriend rather than an easy lay.

Warm approaches sound like a good idea. Problem is I rather wasted my time in halls as an AFC, and am no longer in halls, and I know most of the girls in my lectures and classes and the ones that interest me have already rejected me or made it quite clear they have a boyfriend. What are other good situations to meet girls in settings where you can slowly get to know them?

I am finishing uni in a years time, so I was wondering what the prospects were like after uni, Austin? Other than work (which is a no-no) where do you meet quality women?
Join lots of clubs/societies. In my uni they had 'have a go' week, where you could go to any society and check it out. This meant you could assess the tottie potential before paying your money. Best places for women were the amateur dramatics society, English society, and the shooting/riding/sailing clubs if you like posh but slightly dimmer girls. The RAF reserve/Territorials/Royal Naval reserve etc also seemed to have foxy upper-middle-class girls too.

After uni, same applies. Join plenty of clubs/societies/gyms etc and network like crazy. Dont' worry if women turn you down, they usually want to be friends anyway so use this as leverage to get invites to dinner parties etc, and organise your own.

A simple idea is a picnic - invite all the people you know and tell them to invite someone else. You get a big group of people, women love that kind of thing and it doesn't cost much. You don't need to live in a nice part of London, just socialise in one.

Dont' dismiss work out of hand. Date girls in different departments but NOT ones you work with every day - it can be disastrous when it goes wrong.
 

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Wow UK people, we've almost got our own thread.

Tweek,

Maybe youre right - maybe its just me the southern girls like to freeze out::eek:

I have many friends at mancs uni too mate and they had a wicked time. Glad youre enjoying yourself, you have more luck with the women than me!

EternalBachelor,

Ok the girl network is a scary circle of trust. My course at uni is literally 90% girl. Get this. Went out with one chick (self harming psycho as it turned out, good news) and fooled bout with another then...

BOOM

Im outta there!

Girls seem to us the Reputation-Meter to filter out guys. Im like the class outcast:eek:

MysteryWoman,

Fancy a trip along the Norfolk Broads? ;)
 

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Most def. go with warm apporaches.

Im from southern england and while some girls are lurvley and will chat to you for ages. Theres a culture of interrelationships thats quite prevelent among the young. Girls will go for guys who theyre able to vet by getting some background info from their freinds/associates.

So SOCIAL PROOF is a killer, if they ccan see you chatting to other girls/people they know then they'l consider it plausable that you are boyfriend material.

The 'anti slut' idea is strong round here - thats another reason a girl wont just go for some guy who just wanders up to them, no matter how charming he is.

These facors have in someways combined so that around here the only person who just walks up to you on the street and starts chatting is a nutter. Ive noticed this - noone who i didnt know has ever come up to me chatted for a while and turned up to be 'sound' they are always after something/realy werid and desperate. (this may be a slight exageration but being honist a 'cold approach' is not the done thing and your chances are almost nil if your 'freestyle streeting', no matter how hard you try.

SO

- nod, say 'hi', smile, at any girl who you see around and you think you mite see again. Then if you do see her again your about 50% more likley to get her to acknoledge you first. Once thats happened your on speaking terms, your not a nutter who will jump at the first chance and your someone whos confident enough to meet new people - cos you just met her.

- DONT act desperate or act like you have nothing to do with your time than chat to her...girls/anyone will just get worried that your going to follow them home or something.

- Make REAL friends with some girls, they make damn good mates anyway as long as you have decent bloke friends you'l be fine. Just make sure they know your sexualy aware from the start otherwise there are always arquad moments.

good places to meet girls is pubs, partys, parks, schools etc. its the same ****, their just wary of you cos around here there ARE alot of iffy men in this country...these girls are just being careful, hell im careful if i meet some bloke cos there honistly is a large proportion of 'unsafe' people - and by this i mean men/boys who routinly steal, get in trouble, act strangeley(minor mental disorders), dont have jobs and live on welfare etc etc etc. girls dont want these guys but their hard to distinguish...their also the ones most likley to wander up to you and start chatting sh*t, and YES there are LOTS of them in these 'social' places.

basicly build a web of girls you know then theres absoloutly nothing werid about introducing yourself to their friends - and as there are few guys with decent game about cos of this lack of interaction your chances are pretty damn high. Kino and other stuff is rare so if your ok at that your chances are high.

just dont expect too much too soon as you'l get yourself a bad rep...and dont 'go for' girls who you know in your heart of hearts are NOT interesed, its not worth it, and you'l feel real bad.

Try someof that.
 

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Wow. It is fantastic that all the UK DJs are chipping in and giving some great advice. I think the culture is a lot different in the UK, as we do not have the whole dating thing ingrained in us, and it is done more that you meet people through introductions. I suppose the good thing though is that there is not much competition.

MrNiceGuy. Although London property prices are crazy right now (and I will probably have to live with my parents for the first year or two) I will save up so I can buy a flat in a good area.

Social proof is not something I am good at, as I am not the most outgoing sort of guy, and the few girls I have gone out with, it was solely because they liked my looks and felt it worth the effort to drag me out of my shell. Still this is something I am working on at university and it is helping a lot.

What is the best way to go about asking a girl out. In America it seems to be ask her for a date almost immediately. Is there any case for waiting to see if she seems receptive and getting to know her first, and then asking her out? Like AMF said, in a small circle of girls you can't just ask every one of them out, as as soon as you ask one out the rest of them will know and not like being second choice.
 

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I'm thinking, maybe cold approaches do work in the UK, but in a different way. I.e. you wouldn't just approach a woman, sweet talk her and then get a number before parting ways. But, providing she's not rushing to be somewhere, you might find a time to approach, make small talk and allow it to develop into a conversation/getting-to-know-each-other session.

This works most times for me if I've just met someone at Uni for the first time. I'll start out with small talk (where are you from? what are you studying? etc) before asking questions that lure them into a conversation (what are your aims when you finish Uni? What did you do before coming here?). If I see I have engaged her in conversation I'll then ask if she wants to go somewhere more comfortable - to the canteen, a cafe or nearby pub for example.

I've never really used this as a pulling strategy, just as a means of making friends, but I am positive I could have got numbers or dates in most if not all of these situations if I'd asked.

After talking for a while it would be easy to say something like "I have to get going, but do you want to go out x night?" or "It has been good chatting to you. I'll be around x day if you want to meet up again". If she seems keen, ask for her number so you can get in touch.

I would definitely argue that the art of conversation is the most useful DJ strategy in the UK - even more than C+F. If you can be genuine and seem like interesting company, it's probably the best way to get past a British woman's guard, while C+F probably sounds insincere and makes it obvious you are trying to hit on her.

Anyway, I'm glad of this UK thread as it does seem that Seduction in the UK is a very different game and I'm interested in hearing all your thoughts and strategies.
 

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Good posts all.

The situation in the UK is definitely different. 'Dating' as a concept is relatively new here. It was unheard of before the American troops arrived during the war, and it has never yet caught on in the way it has in the states.

This is why we have to use 'warm' and not 'cold' approaches.

People in England still have hang ups about talking to people they haven't been introduced to by a third party.

In general, those who do cold approaches are not trusted - they turn out to be druggies, dodgy foreigners, wideboys, or religious oddballs.

So it's best to DJ in situations where a 'third party' is loosely present or where you have something in common - ie on the same course at uni, at a party etc.

And don't forget EC and kino. It's VERY easy to get LJBF in the UK, simply because we don't have a strong 'dating culture', so you need to make it clear, in a low key way, that you are interested in being more than just friends.
 

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As far as i know UK girls love foreign accents. It's because you're different.

Are you gonna work in a bar in London like the rest of them lol?
 

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Just to pedantic, aussies aren't 'foreign', they're 'commonwealth'.

In general, I'd say British women do go for the aussies, esp the surf bum types.

The classier chicks prefer a kind of Melbourne Gold Cup guy rather than an 'ocker', if that makes any sense.
 

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As you may know, I'm a UK DJ. Well I'd like to add a few points to this post.

You're right in a sense....UK people are a bit more 'closed off' than, say, americans. But that does NOT mean cold approaches don't work here!!

I know this is true because I've succesfully picked up several girls from cold approaches here in the UK. And if I can do it, so can others.

What you have to do is ADAPT your approaches slightly to suit the more 'closed off' nature of UK girls.

You must not forget that the old NON-VERBAL cues are UNIVERSAL (that is to say that girls respond the same way regardless of where in the world they are from). What I mean specifically is HOLD EYE CONTACT & SMILE at a girl you're interested in, and see what response you get from her. Trust me, UK or wherever, these are INBORN, INSTINCTIVE responses that have NOTHING to do with culture. All you do is make a comment about the situation and then you are talking (if she's given you a good non verbal sign).

If you want to approach without getting eye contact first, then try INDIRECT openers. For example, asking directions, the time, or on opinion on something. Sounds simple yes, but they WORK, I KNOW because I've tested them on UK girls and got results.

LISTEN to what she says, and use that as a cue to where to lead the conversation.

Learn also to be in TOTAL COMMAND of your non-verbal side. There are several 'flirting signals' you can give a girl to show you're interested (SHOW not TELL her). Once again, these signals are UNIVERSAL and will therefore work on UK girls.

I understand where you're coming from, and yes, UK girls are a bit tougher to pickup. But they can be picked up from cold approaches if you know what you're doing!

Another point....forget bars and clubs. Big waste of time. Stick to ordinary, everyday places. No other UK guys will be approaching, so you'll have the pick of the lot to yourself.

A final thing...USE THE PRINCIPAL OF NETWORKING. That is, get to know 1 or 2 girls (even if only as friends), and meet all their (girl) friends. That way, it's not such a 'cold' approach. Then work your DJ magic.
 

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Guitar Whizz, I'd be interested in hearing where you did these cold approaches and what kind of women they worked on.

I agree we do have one big advantage in the UK in that most men are AFC and won't do cold approaches, and the ones that do do it tend to be sleazeballs.

I think we just need to be slightly 'warmer' in going in, instead of using the very direct American approach, but I still think there are places where you will have a VERY low success rate - eg on the London Underground.
 

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Austin Allegro...what you say about needing to be a bit 'warmer' going into an approach is true. This is why I suggest you get the non-verbal sign first, or use an INDIRECT opener as I suggested. That way, you come across as 'non-suspicious' and then before you know it you're already into a conversation. As the conversation progresses, you can up work your DJ magic, mostly non verbally.

Where did I do these approaches. Well, I picked up a girl at a bus stop once. I wasn't even expectong it to work, I simply asked her if she knew if a certain bus stopped there, and she said 'no', but happily walked me to the stop where I could catch that bus. I sensed I was 'in', so I cooly carried on the conversation as a true DJ should, and she ended up waiting with me until my bus arrived, and I ended up getting her number. Unfortunately, she turned out to be too immture and have too may issues for my liking, so after meeting her a week later, I decided to not see her again.

Another time I was waiting for a train, which got cancelled, and they had to put on a replacement bus service instead. A particular girl who was waiting on the platform also got on the bus, and sat right next to me! So it was easy conversation, and we ended up talking about all sorts of 'deep' stuff like where we'd like to live in a ideal world, etc. Sadly, I wasn't on the ball enough to get her number, because when it came to her stop, she had to get off the bus in a hurry and I didn't get a chance to get the number. Oh well.

Another time, around last christmas, I was in a takeaway, and there were 2 girls sat at a table whilst I stood a short diustance from them waiting for my food. After getting eye contact with 1 of them, i said 'Alright?' in a friendly tone, and I can't remember what I said next but I asked them where the good bars were in that town. See how easy it is to talk to women if you just make an effort? They were really friendly and receptive, but it didn't feel right to go for the number somehow. Anyway, the next day I was walking through a shopping mall in the same town, when a girl approached me and said 'hi, do you remember me?' It was 1 of the girls from the takeaway the previous night! She told me all about her good night out, and her plans for the evening. Silly me didn't react quite enough to get her number or a date, but oh well, I've learned from my mistakes now.

The point I'm making here is that although I've not yet got massive success with a UK girl, it's definitely possible to get them interested in you from a cold approach. As long as you come across as a MAN in every sense of the word. I could've bagged these chicks with a bit more effort to get numbers, but at least I've shown what's possible.
 

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Originally posted by Austin Allegro

A simple idea is a picnic
:D That would-NOT fly in the U.S!
can imagine somebody at a U.S. uni saying "Oh let's do have a picnic shall we?" :D
College peeps in the U.S. are into Parties, not dainty little picnics with tea, krumpets and cucumbre sandwhiches! :D
 

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Originally posted by maranathaman
:D That would-NOT fly in the U.S!
can imagine somebody at a U.S. uni saying "Oh let's do have a picnic shall we?" :D
College peeps in the U.S. are into Parties, not dainty little picnics with tea, krumpets and cucumbre sandwhiches! :D

No - it's a decent idea. It's just that you don't say, "Let's go on a picnic" to a Yank chick.


You say, "Do you like the lake? I know a GREAT place by the west shore - it's really peaceful. We can have a chat, and catch some rays (sun)! I'll bring a thermos/bottle (of alcohol, presumably) and some snacks!" ;)
 

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lol maranathaman. Perfect description of an English picnic, except instead of tea I would wash the meal down with lashings of ginger beer and homemade lemonade.

Guitar_Whizz. Thanks for your description of your cold approaches. I have done a fair few myself and find the best thing to do is to like you look for an excuse to talk, so it is not as if you are a complete weirdo. My favourites are asking about books that people are reading in bookstores (Is the author good. What sort of books does he like etc). This failed a few times, but once this girl smiled at me and talked really enthusiastically about the author, took me over to see some of his other books and she wasn't even the sales girl! Bottled out of getting the number though.

Austin thanks for the advice on societies to hit for the girls. I wouldn't have thought of any of those on my own. What is the best strategy with girls from societies? If you hit on them too soon they think you only joined the society for the girls (lesson learnt from my yoga club membership this year. I asked out two girls in the first 3 weeks and after that, all the girls gave me wary, suspicious looks and went cold on me)
 

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Don't get me wrong I DO think a Picnic could work with a Date,
with just you and a sweetie, but I'm just saying it wouldn't really fly to invite a bunch of college peeps as if it was like a party or something. maybe that's fine in jolly olde England, but college kids in the U.S. would probably not think that was their idea of a cool time to be had by all....
 

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Originally posted by maranathaman
Don't get me wrong I DO think a Picnic could work with a Date,
with just you and a sweetie, but I'm just saying it wouldn't really fly to invite a bunch of college peeps as if it was like a party or something. maybe that's fine in jolly olde England, but college kids in the U.S. would probably not think that was their idea of a cool time to be had by all....
A lot of English slappers probably wouldn't like it either, but in my experience classy, sexy women always like picnics, especially with lashings of booze like Pimm's etc.

Re: societies. The trick is not to 'chat up' women in societies. Just be natural and talk about what's going on in the group, what you've learned etc. Don't number close the first time you meet a girl, just establish rapport and 'be gone' - then go for the close the second or third time you meet. By this time you will be able to establish if she likes you or not.

Eg I met a girl at my gym the other night and got on really well, but didn't close her because I knew I'd see her again last night. So last night she actually said to me 'Hi Austin, can I sit next to you?' in the bar so I knew I was in and number closed.
 

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You know if we keep this thread alive we might even get our own forum section! :)

My experience is alcohol plays a huge part in the british 'dating/mating' game, girls here are mainly coy in my opinion, but open up loads when drunk.

Thus the best way to score is to network like hell when your drunk, get small chit chat going and then ask politely for numbers.

My problem of late has been I meet the girl out one night, get great vibes and her number, then find when I text/call her after waiting four days (DJ bible law) the 'spark' has gone a bit, and I'm basically back to square one almost.
 

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I second the picnic idea!! Even if our american cousins don't quite get it, I can vouch for this being a good idea. Also, as Austin Allegro said, it tends to go down well with the better class of women. Thats not to say that it won't work with the less classy types, it just means you have to substitute Special Brew and Alcopops for the Pimms!!

As for meeting people after university (somebody did ask a while ago..), the best way in my experience is the summer season. Places like Henley Royal Regatta are a good place to start, although it doesn't really do to turn up on your own- you don't really need to be interesting in rowing (although it helps)- just pitch up with a load of mates, but mind you are reasonably well dressed. I agree with Austin Allegro in so far as you really do need to do your networking here. Also, the people who are your friends at Uni will in a way determine the circles you move in post-education. So if all of your friends are dungeons and dragons fans, then don't expect too many dinner party invites.

As for the RAF/Territoials/Naval Reserve etc, I agree that these places do have some totty (being that I am in the Regular Navy and used to instruct at one of these places..). However, the majority of them have been well used already, and the supply and demand situation (ration of blokes to women) if often crappy. Your opinion may vary, but this was at least my experience.

Bring on the UK forum....


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