DJ Alpha Male PERSONIFIED!

[STR8UP]

Being alpha is the natural ability to command respect from the people you are around without making the effort to do so..........If you aren't born alpha you always be beta, period.

Ya think Bill Gates was born alpha?

I'll bet he spent the better part of his life getting his teeth kicked in. Now he has thousands of people kissing his ass.

Alpha qualities can come from many things and a person can be alpha in one situation and beta in another.

I'll admit....I'm not always top dog. But that depends on who I am with.

Take Bill Gates out of the board room and put him in the middle of a tribe of primitive people and I would bet his status would change a bit. Until he figured out how to build a time machine out of rocks and banana leaves, that is.

 

[Drum&Bass]

Theres no such thing as alpha or beta, some guys just never learned how to stand up for themselves.

Some guys learn strength by being out in the real world and fending for themselves, some guys just never get the chance to know what its like to be vulnerable and then to get pushed to your breaking point. some guys were never prepared/taught/ or learned how to handle direct confrontation.

ALL STRENGTH THAT YOU OR ANYONE HAS WAS LEARNED...AINT NOBODY NATURALLY BORN WITH JACK SH!T..YOU LEARN TO BE STRONG

ANY AND ALL MEN CAN BE STRONG

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ALPHA OR BETA !!!

 

[Faca]

Theres no such thing as alpha or beta, some guys just never learned how to stand up for themselves.

Some guys learn strength by being out in the real world and fending for themselves, some guys just never get the chance to know what its like to be vulnerable and then to get pushed to your breaking point. some guys were never prepared/taught/ or learned how to handle direct confrontation.

ALL STRENGTH THAT YOU OR ANYONE HAS WAS LEARNED...AINT NOBODY NATURALLY BORN WITH JACK SH!T..YOU LEARN TO BE STRONG

ANY AND ALL MEN CAN BE STRONG

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ALPHA OR BETA !!!

I agree 100% with you.

The natural part of things, we tend to use when we can't remember when we had learnt it. Now some men learn this in their young years, other when they matured.. and some never do...

 

[Latinoman]

I think it's funny how so many guys on here strive to become an "alpha male". You are either born alpha or born beta. If you aren't born alpha you will never be alpha...yet so many on this site still obsess over the myth that they can "become alpha". Waste of time...

1- Natural characteristics

OR

2- Environment

Yes...the Environment can change anyone. Drastic change in the environment can also change a person. A person can be "alpha"...and then land in jail or get hurt or lose a child or whatever and become a betta.

A person can be born non-alpha...and circunstances throughout his life can make him an Alpha.


Genes alone are not enough as we are not predestine to become who we are. We can actually take control of our lives...and we can screw our lives too.

 

[Wyldfire]

Ya think Bill Gates was born alpha?

I'll bet he spent the better part of his life getting his teeth kicked in. Now he has thousands of people kissing his ass.

Alpha qualities can come from many things and a person can be alpha in one situation and beta in another.

I'll admit....I'm not always top dog. But that depends on who I am with.

Take Bill Gates out of the board room and put him in the middle of a tribe of primitive people and I would bet his status would change a bit. Until he figured out how to build a time machine out of rocks and banana leaves, that is.

Bill Gates isn't alpha...money isn't what makes a person alpha. Bill Gates is a nerd who used his intelligence to make a lot of money. He's still a nerd, though.

 

[Wyldfire]

Careful, Wyldfire is a more valued sacred cow than men here:
I guess if you can't control your own son, you can try to control the mods and posters on some board instead to compensate? Psych 101...

Anyhow, I agree she is totally wrong. Alpha status is fluid and varies with field and time. And no one stays top dog forever. And evo psych has proven time and again that human development is a combo of Nature & nurture.

Which means that alphas are born & made, not just born...

But, again, I am just a worthless, disposable man here whose humble input is not as valuable as a feminist mole's. Especially on a men's site. You guys would be far better off without me and with her advice instead.

No, I'm not "more valued" than men here. I am a longtime member of this forum and the same rules and expectations of behavior applies to everyone who posts here. You were attacking me just because I am a woman. You were not attacking anyone else. Instead of arguing the points of my posts you were making personal attacks. That kind of behavior is disruptive to the forum and shouldn't be allowed.

That being said...I am willing to discuss issues with you in the same manner I do everyone else. If you don't agree with something I write, then by all means speak up and say so and argue your points. No one is saying you can't or shouldn't do that. There's no reason why you can't do that without always making it about me being a woman and then making personal attacks because of that. Stick to the issue at hand and I don't foresee you having any problems in the future. I'm actually quite easy to get along with...

 

[wayword]

You were attacking me just because I am a woman. You were not attacking anyone else.

Wrong, I was attacking your misinformation.

And it wasn't cuz you are a woman.

As you said, I didn't "attack" anyone else...including other WOMEN. Therefore, it's obviously not a "woman" thing, huh?

And yes, Gates is an alpha. You better believe it. This alone reveals your gross ignorance on the subject and why you have a continually negative influence on this site....as well as your own life.

In your mind, an ex-con = alpha while the richest man in the world who makes this world tick and calls the shots for millions = beta nerd. Do you understand why you picked a lousy father for your children and are living alone now? And why we should not follow your same beliefs if we want better futures for ourselves? It's no coincidence.

Like I said, life is not just a magic trick. You also get out what you put in. Your life is the result of your beliefs.

 

[Wyldfire]

1- Natural characteristics

OR

2- Environment

Yes...the Environment can change anyone. Drastic change in the environment can also change a person. A person can be "alpha"...and then land in jail or get hurt or lose a child or whatever and become a betta.

A person can be born non-alpha...and circunstances throughout his life can make him an Alpha.


Genes alone are not enough as we are not predestine to become who we are. We can actually take control of our lives...and we can screw our lives too.

Although environment can make a person less beta, it's not going to make them an alpha. You can become a stronger beta among other betas, or a stronger alpha than other alphas...but not go from beta to alpha.

Loss or going to prison doesn't make someone less alpha if they are an alpha. My fiance was an alpha male who spent some time in prison. The guards and staff always showed him respect and feared any confrontation with him. They had weapons and he was not a mean person and didn't threaten people or behave in any way that should intimidate people. They still gave him power and control because he was alpha and his presence just commanded it.

Betas should certainly do their best to rise to the highest position of a beta that they can, because it's in their best interest to do so...but it's not going to make them alpha unless they are born an alpha. That's just how it is.

 

[Vulpine]

You know what I can't stand? When people quote entire posts from people on my ignore list and I end up reading the very crap that I tried to have blocked.

 

[Latinoman]

Bill Gates isn't alpha...money isn't what makes a person alpha. Bill Gates is a nerd who used his intelligence to make a lot of money. He's still a nerd, though.

I strongly disagree with your assesment about Alphas are born. And for that matter Bill Gates. The "nerd" thing can be used with Stephen Hawkins. But not with Bill Gates. I will illustrate that later.

Alpha male is a very dynamic phenomenum.

I am an alpha male. But I have gone to high level meetings in which I had to sit back and allowthe OLDER and more SENIOR (e.g. boss in this case) alpha rule the table. Why? Because that's work environment and I have to apply self control. I don't become a beta...I simply sit back and allowed the other to take control. More of the "Ocean 11" movie, which is a perfect example to illustrate this, in which most of them are alphas, but they play different roles (sometimes take charge and other times sit back).

A good example of a man that was an alpha and ended up beta was the former CEO from ENRON. This guy was as alpha as any. Heck, he got hundreds of people following him to the point that they got screwed. He ended up taking his life.

A good example of a man that was not an alpha and ended up an alpha is Bill Gates. This guy went head to head with Congress. He managed to convince Warren Buffett (the seconds wealthiest men on Earth) to donate his money to the Gates Foundation. The guy even managed to find the CORRECT wife.
He has control of his life. He is FOLLOWED. And he is not afraid to face his competitors or anyone that tries to deal tarnish his empire. How much more alpha than that can a man be? He became like that out of necessity and out of changes in his environment.

 

[Wyldfire]

Wrong, I was attacking your misinformation.

And it wasn't cuz you are a woman.

As you said, I didn't "attack" anyone else...including other WOMEN. Therefore, it's obviously not a "woman" thing, huh?

And yes, Gates is an alpha. You better believe it. This alone reveals your gross ignorance on the subject and why you have a continually negative influence on this site....as well as your own life.

In your mind, an ex-con = alpha while the richest man in the world who makes this world tick and calls the shots for millions = beta nerd. Do you understand why you picked a lousy father for your children and are living alone now? And why we should not follow your same beliefs if we want better futures for ourselves? It's no coincidence.

Like I said, life is not just a magic trick. You also get out what you put in. Your life is the result of your beliefs.

See...you again are making things personal.

 

[Latinoman]

Although environment can make a person less beta, it's not going to make them an alpha. You can become a stronger beta among other betas, or a stronger alpha than other alphas...but not go from beta to alpha.

Loss or going to prison doesn't make someone less alpha if they are an alpha. My fiance was an alpha male who spent some time in prison. The guards and staff always showed him respect and feared any confrontation with him. They had weapons and he was not a mean person and didn't threaten people or behave in any way that should intimidate people. They still gave him power and control because he was alpha and his presence just commanded it.

Betas should certainly do their best to rise to the highest position of a beta that they can, because it's in their best interest to do so...but it's not going to make them alpha unless they are born an alpha. That's just how it is.

As I said...I strongly disagree with you. I can come with dozens of examples.

And by the way...you were NOT in jail with your fiance. A lot of things happen there that people refuse to talk about.

Saying that a person was born a beta and would never be an alpha is wrong.
As history have shown people with "beta" like characteristics (some even physically ill) become leaders of revolutionary proportions when something happen (such as death of parents or facing Nazies in Germany or whatever the case might be).

What do you consider Bill Clinton? The Bill Clinton now vs. when he was a kid?

 

[Wyldfire]

Latinoman...alpha is not about behavior...it's about presence.

 

[Latinoman]

Latinoman...alpha is not about behavior...it's about presence.

The examples I provided above...ALL of them had a presence. Including Bill Gates. Including Clinton. And Including the Enron guy that at the end did the most Beta thing; take his own life instead of facing jail time.

 

[Latinoman]

Latinoman...alpha is not about behavior...it's about presence.

By the way, I'm not saying I agree with this either. As ANY actor can have a presence...and not necessary be an alpha. Some cannot even influence their woman at home.

Brad Pitt...when from Alpha to almost non-alpha when he got involved with Angelina. Now, he appears to be going back to old form (thank goodness).

As I said...it is a very dynamic thing.

 

[Wyldfire]

Bill Gates has financial power and influence, and that is something much different than being alpha. An alpha is an alpha regardless of where they are, what they have materially, etc. If you were to take away Bill Gates' money he would have no power or influence and the wife would be gone as well. If you put Bill Gates on a deserted island where money meant nothing, he would have no power or influence at all. A true alpha would wield all the power, control and influence.

 

[Wyldfire]

As I said...I strongly disagree with you. I can come with dozens of examples.

And by the way...you were NOT in jail with your fiance. A lot of things happen there that people refuse to talk about.

Saying that a person was born a beta and would never be an alpha is wrong.
As history have shown people with "beta" like characteristics (some even physically ill) become leaders of revolutionary proportions when something happen (such as death of parents or facing Nazies in Germany or whatever the case might be).

What do you consider Bill Clinton? The Bill Clinton now vs. when he was a kid?

Bill Clinton is more likely an alpha than Bill Gates...but I don't know enough about him to say for certain. He's a very good politician and has a lot of charisma...but that doesn't automatically make him an alpha.

 

[Wyldfire]

By the way, I'm not saying I agree with this either. As ANY actor can have a presence...and not necessary be an alpha. Some cannot even influence their woman at home.

Brad Pitt...when from Alpha to almost non-alpha when he got involved with Angelina. Now, he appears to be going back to old form (thank goodness).

As I said...it is a very dynamic thing.

Angelina is also an alpha...when two alphas get together as a couple, the stronger of the two usually wields more influence. Angelina is just more alpha than Brad Pitt appears to be.

 

[Latinoman]

Angelina is also an alpha...when two alphas get together as a couple, the stronger of the two usually wields more influence. Angelina is just more alpha than Brad Pitt appears to be.

He is a man. No Alpha Man would yield to a woman...even if she is dominant...and then continue to be Alpha.

Do you know why?

Because in order to remain alpha...he MUST have the respect of OTHER men. He (and men in general) lose respect from their peers when they allow women to run over them.

That's why RESPECT is so important. That's why I preach the RESPECT issue.

 

[Latinoman]

Bill Gates has financial power and influence, and that is something much different than being alpha. An alpha is an alpha regardless of where they are, what they have materially, etc. If you were to take away Bill Gates' money he would have no power or influence and the wife would be gone as well. If you put Bill Gates on a deserted island where money meant nothing, he would have no power or influence at all. A true alpha would wield all the power, control and influence.

That's why being alpha is a DYNAMIC thing.

Sorry that I am using your ex-fiance as an example...but let's put him in the middle of an operating room in the middle of the street...where his child's life depends of an open heart surgery done IMMEDIATELY. You can rest assure, that unless he has some kind of medical training...he will become NON-alpha and the alpha person would be either the paramedics or a doctor. Especially, when his child is about to die.

You see how things and circunstances can change the character of a man? The most of alpha can become betas and vice-versa.

It is dynamic and dependant of the circunstances.