Direct Approach

[Slick101]

Very Well Put

I create value by doing something 99 out of 100 guys can't or won't do, and that is approach in a direct, honest, straightforward manner, being clear about why I am approaching her, and doing it with confidence, good body language, good strong tonality and an attitude that her ass is already mine.

It creates massive attraction when done correctly. I've seen it. I've pulled HB9's on the same night. I've made girls tremble and shake just from my approach. I've had her g/f's wing for me instead of CB me because they were so impressed by my approach.

You're speaking from a theory viewpoint, I'm speaking from an experience viewpoint.

You're trying to apply all the "masf" BS to Direct, and it doesn't work that way.

You're too hung up on creating value and things like that. I create value with my approach. I create attraction with my approach.

Why? Because it's strong, it's powerful, and it has a profound effect on women.

Not all women. Nothing does. Some women have b/f's. Some women will flat out reject you based on the type of watch you wear, or your hair color, or some other superficial $#!T - who wants women like that anyways?

They're doing me a favor by rejecting me.

And, you're saying "she doesn't know anything about me" when I approach direct? More BS - she knows that I'm a Man with a pair of balls who is not afraid to go after what I want, unapologetically, without excuses, without making up some lame-ass opinion opener. She knows that I'm approaching her because I'm physically attracted to her, and that I would like to get to know her.

The phrase "*****-shield" means nothing to me. It doesn't exist in my reality.

You look for reasons why Direct method doesn't work. You focus on the negatives, the "what ifs" while I only think about how I'm gonna have that azz bouncing up and down like a lowrider in a Dr. Dre video.

And how in my mind, she's already mine. And when I see her light up like a Christmas tree, or she actually begins to tremble and shake, that azz at that point is mine.

Done correctly, a direct opener followed by being direct will create massive attraction, value and all that other "community" BS that makes pickup way more complicated than it is.

Approach directly. Create rapport and comfort. Isolate. F-close.

I don't have to do a bunch of tricks to create value or attraction or "DHV", as my direct, unapologetic behavior inherently does it for me.
Women want Men. Men who aren't afraid to go for what they want, and do so not giving a damn what other people think, or being held back by fear of a negative outcome.

You'd be surprised at just how far you can "push the envelope" when it comes to approaching and meeting women.

And I would highly recommend the ebook "Mode One" as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Trust me. Being honest, direct and straightforward creates massive value and attraction when done correctly.

Later, I will post step by step how I approach.

Im curious, Post the step by step How You approach....

So we can ALL "light up like a christmas tree" LOL

 

[Slick101]

You can be direct with your approach, your intentions, but still playfully tease her and joke with her and yes, even qualify her. Just because I told her I think she is beautiful and would like to get to know her doesn't mean she gets a free pass.

I'm still going to use some C&F, because it's part of my personality, not because David D says to do it. And I'm going to playfully tease her as well because I feel like it.

I'm going to create rapport and comfort, and I'm also going to try to isolate and F-Close. A phone number will be my last option, not my first.

But she will know from the very beginning what I want and expect from our interactions.

At the end of the night, I'm not going to invite her over to my place for a drink or a cup of coffee, which we all know is code words for sex. I'm going to invite her over for a night of hot, wild sex, pretty much in those words.

Like I said, it can be surprising how much you can get away with when being confident and leading and acting as if it's the most natural thing in the world.

Oh wait, it is the most natural thing in the world for a Man and a Woman to get together and have sex, so why hide your intentions?

Ya But then again, you know with some hot girls its hard to create rapport.... You told her shes beautiful from the beg. you ARE allready qualifying her...
She would feel even more confident, and YOU HAVE to be direct with all your gaming, Not just the approach.

I have a question. If your in a club and You see a HB and You do a DA and lets say you get rejected.... the next hot girl youll see would you also tell her shes beauiful and you would like to get to know her...

Going around the club like that doing direct approaches, the girls can sense its a pick up line when one shares with another....

then you come off as fake when you want to come of as a MAN

 

[sexybeast]

Ya But then again, you know with some hot girls its hard to create rapport....

Fvck rapport. In my opinion its the last thing you want to be thinking about or trying to create. fvck it, just flirt!!!

Part of be direct is doing/saying/listening to what YOU find interesting or what feels good to you. I find creating rapport with a girl I just met pretty BORING. I dont care what she does for a living, I dont care about her family, friends, ex bf's, if we both into the same music ectect Its not the reason I am talking to the girl. I want to nail her. Most of the time when a girls says something I find un-interesting I will tell her in a humorous way.

Remember, girls WILL SEEK rapport with You once they are interested and attracted to you so why bother with rapport yourself?. Its just another myth IMO. Im not saying its useless... I'm saying its not needed when you first meet a girl... specially with night game. All the "really getting to know the girl" should most likely come after you've nailed her.

Also I dont see the need to tell a girls she's beautiful as an opener because I wouldnt approach if she looked like a dog. but each to there own - it can still work if you say it right!!!

 

[Slick101]

Fvck rapport. In my opinion its the last thing you want to be thinking about or trying to create. fvck it, just flirt!!!

Part of be direct is doing/saying/listening to what YOU find interesting or what feels good to you. I find creating rapport with a girl I just met pretty BORING. I dont care what she does for a living, I dont care about her family, friends, ex bf's, if we both into the same music ectect Its not the reason I am talking to the girl. I want to nail her. Most of the time when a girls says something I find un-interesting I will tell her in a humorous way.

Remember, girls WILL SEEK rapport with You once they are interested and attracted to you so why bother with rapport yourself?. Its just another myth IMO. Im not saying its useless... I'm saying its not needed when you first meet a girl... specially with night game. All the "really getting to know the girl" should most likely come after you've nailed her.

Also I dont see the need to tell a girls she's beautiful as an opener because I wouldnt approach if she looked like a dog. but each to there own - it can still work if you say it right!!!

Thats what Im saying...

However You misunderstand the Direct Concept, Your not coming up there to tell her shes beautiful, Your saying one thing but showing a combination of amazing traits that you posses

 

[Derek Flint]

Ya But then again, you know with some hot girls its hard to create rapport.... You told her shes beautiful from the beg. you ARE allready qualifying her...
She would feel even more confident, and YOU HAVE to be direct with all your gaming, Not just the approach.

I have a question. If your in a club and You see a HB and You do a DA and lets say you get rejected.... the next hot girl youll see would you also tell her shes beauiful and you would like to get to know her...

Going around the club like that doing direct approaches, the girls can sense its a pick up line when one shares with another....

then you come off as fake when you want to come of as a MAN

Let me address your points:

If you have the mindset that "you're giving away your power" by complimenting a HB, then you never had any power to begin with, expect maybe in your own mind.

And, by also telling her that I would like to get to know her, she understands that I am qualifying her since I'm not just offering her a dinner date or whatever most AFC's do when they meet an HB. It subcommunicates that yes, I find her attractive, but I need to get to know more about her to see if she meets MY requirements.

And yes, I do have to be direct with the rest of my gaming, and that is by design. That's my intent.

Also, I doubt that most girls can hear what you are saying to another woman in a club. Even a bar where the conversion level makes it hard to hear who is saying what. Nor do they "trade notes" amongst each other about who said what to who.

And I don't use the same "line" over and over during the night, nor do I need to approach 10 times, as usually, I only need to approach 2-3 girls the entire night to get results. And using a direct approach is not a line, a method, or whatever.

If you're not congruent in your life in general with being direct, honest, straightforward, then it will come off as a "line" and will come off as "phony" and will not work for you or anyone else unless you live it as well as say it.
Again, I don't worry about coming off as "phony" because being direct is how I live my life, so it's only natural that I approach everything the same way, including meeting women.

Finally, you say it's sometimes hard to create rapport with HB's?
Guess what? When you are honest, open, straightforward and sincere with people, including HB's, they tend to do the same. You lead, they will follow your example.

One more thing - I'm a Project Manager for a Software company, and I'm working about 70 hours per week right now, but I will post step by step how I approach direct.

But keep in mind that merely parroting and duplicating my approach will not work for most unless it is congruent with how you conduct yourself and how you live your life.

If you haven't adopted a direct, no BS, no excuses lifestyle that is honest, sincere, direct, straightforward in all aspects of your life, then you will come off as phony when approaching women directly.

I will also link to a post I wrote earlier which goes into more detail about this as well.

Anyways, I gotta get back to work as I am juggling several projects simultaneously.

Edit: Final thought. If you look at how the "community" tells you to approach women, it's all based on dishonesty.

A few examples "Hey girls, I've only got a minute..." (Artificial Time Constraint. That's a lie) "...but I was wondering, who lies more, men or women?" (another lie, as if you care who lies more)
Also, feigning disinterest (Another lie. You approached her because you're attracted to her, yet you are hiding it)

There are other examples as well.

What kind of Attraction and Rapport are you going to build when you're whole approach is one big lie, as opposed to being honest, open and sincere?

You get what you give. If a woman doesn't return my honesty and sincerity, then she's just DQ'd herself.

I don't apologize for or hide my intents and my desires as a Man.

 

[Slick101]

Let me address your points:

If you have the mindset that "you're giving away your power" by complimenting a HB, then you never had any power to begin with, expect maybe in your own mind.

And, by also telling her that I would like to get to know her, she understands that I am qualifying her since I'm not just offering her a dinner date or whatever most AFC's do when they meet an HB. It subcommunicates that yes, I find her attractive, but I need to get to know more about her to see if she meets MY requirements.

And yes, I do have to be direct with the rest of my gaming, and that is by design. That's my intent.

Also, I doubt that most girls can hear what you are saying to another woman in a club. Even a bar where the conversion level makes it hard to hear who is saying what. Nor do they "trade notes" amongst each other about who said what to who.

And I don't use the same "line" over and over during the night, nor do I need to approach 10 times, as usually, I only need to approach 2-3 girls the entire night to get results. And using a direct approach is not a line, a method, or whatever.

If you're not congruent in your life in general with being direct, honest, straightforward, then it will come off as a "line" and will come off as "phony" and will not work for you or anyone else unless you live it as well as say it.
Again, I don't worry about coming off as "phony" because being direct is how I live my life, so it's only natural that I approach everything the same way, including meeting women.

Finally, you say it's sometimes hard to create rapport with HB's?
Guess what? When you are honest, open, straightforward and sincere with people, including HB's, they tend to do the same. You lead, they will follow your example.

One more thing - I'm a Project Manager for a Software company, and I'm working about 70 hours per week right now, but I will post step by step how I approach direct.

But keep in mind that merely parroting and duplicating my approach will not work for most unless it is congruent with how you conduct yourself and how you live your life.

If you haven't adopted a direct, no BS, no excuses lifestyle that is honest, sincere, direct, straightforward in all aspects of your life, then you will come off as phony when approaching women directly.

I will also link to a post I wrote earlier which goes into more detail about this as well.

Anyways, I gotta get back to work as I am juggling several projects simultaneously.

Edit: Final thought. If you look at how the "community" tells you to approach women, it's all based on dishonesty.

A few examples "Hey girls, I've only got a minute..." (Artificial Time Constraint. That's a lie) "...but I was wondering, who lies more, men or women?" (another lie, as if you care who lies more)
Also, feigning disinterest (Another lie. You approached her because you're attracted to her, yet you are hiding it)

There are other examples as well.

What kind of Attraction and Rapport are you going to build when you're whole approach is one big lie, as opposed to being honest, open and sincere?

You get what you give. If a woman doesn't return my honesty and sincerity, then she's just DQ'd herself.

I don't apologize for or hide my intents and my desires as a Man.

Ya I deff agree... I would say Im a pretty good looking guy and for sum reason when I tried MM Indirect openers and such, It didnt work for me and They thought I was wierd.,.

Im always direct in my life,, Maybe I should DA from now on, Is Bad Boy Lifestyle a good booK?

 

[zerocelcius]

Why? It's pretty much spot on.

As opposed to guys who try to "fly in under the radar, so they can spit their game"?

Lose the fear. Don't be outcome dependent. Don't worry about *****-shields, or any of that crap, or what people around you will think.

Focus on the moment. Focus on making her day with your approach. Focus on making her feel good and making her feel beautiful, and sexy, and apprectiated, which is what all women want.

Focus on rocking her world.

That is all good and all, but the guy sounds like a freaking hippie flower child. Feel the Love, Make it about loving her.....

OK?

I just met her why the hell would I love her?

 

[zerocelcius]

This is a great thread. One of the few that one can actually learn something from. Just one point I want to add. I guess there's a confusion about what is meant by DA. You can still be playful, C&F, you can neg her, make her laugh, do push-pulls, give her compliments and tease her while you are being direct. And you don't have to tell her she's beautiful. direct approaching means not hiding what you want from your interaction with her. And you don't even have to say it in words. you can imply it playfully with your bodylanguage and tone of voice. you can neg her in words while at the same time showing interest with your bodylanguage. being direct doesn't mean being simple at all.
And why DA anyway? Because a hot girl always knows why we're approaching her. and if we try to hide it we're just displaying insecurity. and insecurity is disgusting.

I understand where you are coming from, but actually if you use some of those methods you are using an IDA.

 

[zerocelcius]

Fvck rapport. In my opinion its the last thing you want to be thinking about or trying to create. fvck it, just flirt!!!

Part of be direct is doing/saying/listening to what YOU find interesting or what feels good to you. I find creating rapport with a girl I just met pretty BORING. I dont care what she does for a living, I dont care about her family, friends, ex bf's, if we both into the same music ectect Its not the reason I am talking to the girl. I want to nail her. Most of the time when a girls says something I find un-interesting I will tell her in a humorous way.

Remember, girls WILL SEEK rapport with You once they are interested and attracted to you so why bother with rapport yourself?. Its just another myth IMO. Im not saying its useless... I'm saying its not needed when you first meet a girl... specially with night game. All the "really getting to know the girl" should most likely come after you've nailed her.

Also I dont see the need to tell a girls she's beautiful as an opener because I wouldnt approach if she looked like a dog. but each to there own - it can still work if you say it right!!!

:crackup: Rapport is what will get you want you want.

 

[ToughLove]

ok GIRLS

stop arguing

lets all go out and try direct confident approaches and lets report back on this thread in a few days

i can report on this already based on past experience:

I usually hit up girlsr on myspace and get thie # that way (very very easy by the way), but when i DID direct approach (aka didn't do a canned opener or observational or any of that bs), id say this happened about 10 times (i dont cold approach much, never need to cuz i got too much pvssy already, dont feel as motivated cuz of it, plus i pull 10 #s from myspace girls per week)

FCUK anyway, my point is i made 10 very direct approaches, just being like "hey your cute" or "wow hey u are beautiful i wanted to just tell u that" and i even did the following on a hostess at a restaurant after i told her that me and my friend were not gonna eat there "hey we arent gonna eat here but gimme your #" (honestly that worked so well, she gave it)

ive gotten #s real quick from 1/2 of these direct approaches

 

[zerocelcius]

Replies in bold

Let me address your points:

If you have the mindset that "you're giving away your power" by complimenting a HB, then you never had any power to begin with, expect maybe in your own mind.

Please Explain!?

And, by also telling her that I would like to get to know her, she understands that I am qualifying her since I'm not just offering her a dinner date or whatever most AFC's do when they meet an HB. It subcommunicates that yes, I find her attractive, but I need to get to know more about her to see if she meets MY requirements.

I can see this. It doesn't qualify her it just qualifies her looks, but by saying you would like to get to know her you are Directly saying she hasn't Qualified her behavior or personality

And yes, I do have to be direct with the rest of my gaming, and that is by design. That's my intent.

Also, I doubt that most girls can hear what you are saying to another woman in a club. Even a bar where the conversion level makes it hard to hear who is saying what. Nor do they "trade notes" amongst each other about who said what to who.


Ever see a bunch of girls go to the bathroom together. I just talked to some girls about how they felt towards pick up lines and they said that guys forget that they talk to each other. When they go to the bar, bathroom, or just when they see each other. One girl said she had a guy go up to her and use some cheese line and later in the bathroom she told another girl the story and she said he had said the same thing to her. They don't need to hear each other over the music when they talk to each other in the bathrooms or text message.

And I don't use the same "line" over and over during the night, nor do I need to approach 10 times, as usually, I only need to approach 2-3 girls the entire night to get results. And using a direct approach is not a line, a method, or whatever.



If you're not congruent in your life in general with being direct, honest, straightforward, then it will come off as a "line" and will come off as "phony" and will not work for you or anyone else unless you live it as well as say it.
Again, I don't worry about coming off as "phony" because being direct is how I live my life, so it's only natural that I approach everything the same way, including meeting women.

This is why I said what I said before. You have to find YOUR natural style. You can't tell anybody how to do what they do. You can only explain what you do and they can try it out for them self’s. I would have never tried this approach, but hearing FLINT and IWILLRETURNSOON, I have found some good stuff about it. I still will NOT go up and declare a woman's beauty or FEEL THE LOVE! But they do have some good points in here that I can use.

Finally, you say it's sometimes hard to create rapport with HB's?
Guess what? When you are honest, open, straightforward and sincere with people, including HB's, they tend to do the same. You lead, they will follow your example.

This is the good stuff I was talking about ^ !

One more thing - I'm a Project Manager for a Software company, and I'm working about 70 hours per week right now, but I will post step by step how I approach direct.

Glad to hear it and will be interesting, but everyone should realize what works for one will not work for all or even some. I don't know if you have ever taken speech class, but those of you that have know this already. Communication is 20% Verbal & 80% Body Language. SO again what works for FLINT may not work for you. With that said there is no reason anyone of us can't learn or even try it in the feild.

But keep in mind that merely parroting and duplicating my approach will not work for most unless it is congruent with how you conduct yourself and how you live your life.

Exactly

If you haven't adopted a direct, no BS, no excuses lifestyle that is honest, sincere, direct, straightforward in all aspects of your life, then you will come off as phony when approaching women directly.

Exactly and that is why it will not work for a Naturally Non-Direct individual (not saying it couldn't be learned and perfected, but naturally it will not work) 'Cause what are girls amazingly good at? BS Meter they can see through you even if you were made out of lead. Kind of scary sometimes. Again you can get past this with study and practice. The give away is almost always your body language. Your posture your eyes your nervous twitches you’re stuttering, on and on and on.... cracking voice.

I will also link to a post I wrote earlier which goes into more detail about this as well.

Anyways, I gotta get back to work as I am juggling several projects simultaneously.

Edit: Final thought. If you look at how the "community" tells you to approach women, it's all based on dishonesty.

I dissagree her very very much. I have always read (in the bible and like places) to make it about you. Be yourself but make your self the best you can be. Be as funny as you can and show it. Be as confident as you can and share it. Don't make it about the girl. Lie to be the prize. Go out just to meet girls. etc.

A few examples "Hey girls, I've only got a minute..." (Artificial Time Constraint. That's a lie) "

Not a Lie if you don't want to waist more time than that on somebody who isn't intrested in you. Don't you wish all sales people did that? Seems very honest to me.

...but I was wondering, who lies more, men or women?" (another lie, as if you care who lies more)

The question is "I was Wondering..." not "I was Careing...''

Also, feigning disinterest (Another lie. You approached her because you're attracted to her, yet you are hiding it)

It isn't that you like her you are seeing if you could like her. Seeing if she is interested. OR just talking to somebody with no strings attached. I have used openers just to talk to people. To talk with out a goal in mind and that is how it should be. If there was a girl in the group that was attractive go for it, but don't make it your sole purpose.

There are other examples as well.

What kind of Attraction and Rapport are you going to build when you're whole approach is one big lie, as opposed to being honest, open and sincere?

You get what you give. If a woman doesn't return my honesty and sincerity, then she's just DQ'd herself.

I don't apologize for or hide my intents and my desires as a Man.

 

[zerocelcius]

:crackup: Rapport is what will get you want you want.

SexyBeast I am not attacking you here it just honestly made me laugh. Because I don't believe you read the DJ meaning of Rapport, 'cause you are saying F@#K Rapport and than saying all you have to do is build Rapport, but in your own words.

The DJ Version of Rapport isn't the basic "conversation meaning"

(DJ) Rapport - in accord, harmony, or sympathy; having a mutual, especially a private, understanding; in mesmerism, in that relation of sympathy which permits influence or communication. Basically getting to know each other through fluff talk/vibing. Asking rapport seeking questions can be useful but doesn’t create much sexual attraction, questions such as What do you do for a living, where are you from, what’s your name, how old are you, what do you do for fun are all good set up questions - they can build a feeling of familiarity and allow to lead into sexual talk. If a girl asks these, the entire better as she is investing into the interaction and showing IOIs.

IF anybody wants the terms Glossary Style PM me your e-mail address. I also have cheat sheets and many other things.

 

[Derek Flint]

Ya I deff agree... I would say Im a pretty good looking guy and for sum reason when I tried MM Indirect openers and such, It didnt work for me and They thought I was wierd.,.

Im always direct in my life,, Maybe I should DA from now on, Is Bad Boy Lifestyle a good booK?

BB learned from Shark. I would recommend Shark over BB, as BB is a more watered down direct method and I'm not quite sold on him/it.

Also, check out the ebook called "Mode One" by Alan Roger Currie.

It's only $20.00, not like some of these ridiculously expensive ebooks that are just rehashes of basic "community" material. It's definately cutting edge stuff and IMO, well worth it.

Again, I'll spend more time on this thread later, but I'm putting in 12 hour days right now, so I don't have a lot of free time to post. (And that's no "artificial time constraint" either. LOL)

Some general comments and thoughts not directed at anyone specifically:

The biggest roadblock I see for most guys when it comes to direct is that they look for all the reasons that it won't work, and then why then try it, they sub-communicate that they don't think it will work for them and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Also, many guys deep down are trying to protect their fragile egos, and therefore will not "put it all on the line" and truly express their desires, especially to women.

I've never had a negative experience with Direct. I've had girls politely tell me they have a b/f or whatever, but even then, they were absolutely thrilled to be approached in such a way, and some even "winged" for me and introduced me to their HB friend.

I don't worry about "b!tch-shields" - that phrase is not in my reality or my vocabulary.
I don't care what girls say to each other in the bathroom. I don't care what other people think about me or what they think about what I say or what I do. I don't wait for eye contact, or "IOI's" before I approach.

I approach who I want, when I want, without any apologies. I've even approached a HB9 with 3 Meatheads who looked like they could bench press Australia.

I do not hide my intents and desires as a Man, especially when it comes to HB's. I'm not about faking disinterest, and playing manipulative games.

Games are for women.

You can only be manipulated by someone when you try to manipulate them.

Think about it. It makes perfect sense.

I'm not saying that Direct is for everyone, or that everyone should do it.

I am saying that if you choose to go that route, it should work very, very well for you if and only if you fully commit to it, in every aspect of your life and not just when it comes to approaching and meeting women.
Otherwise, it will set off the BS Meter on girls, as previously stated above.

Hell, they know why we are approaching them. Why not be upfront and honest and sincere about it?

I'll address other comments at a later time.

 

[sexybeast]

SexyBeast I am not attacking you here it just honestly made me laugh.

lol It's good to laugh mate.

Because I don't believe you read the DJ meaning of Rapport,

Why do DJ's have different meanings for everything? rapport is rapport.

Basically getting to know each other through fluff talk/vibing. Asking rapport seeking questions can be useful but doesn’t create much sexual attraction, questions such as What do you do for a living, where are you from, what’s your name, how old are you, what do you do for fun are all good set up questions - they can build a feeling of familiarity and allow to lead into sexual talk. If a girl asks these, the entire better as she is investing into the interaction and showing IOIs.

I agree with this. Set-up questions are very useful for leading a convo in the right direction (sexual) at the start to get the ball rolling. I often do that myself. When I use a setup question I'm looking to switch it to somethnig sexual soon as possible and keep escalating. A set-up question is useless by it's self unless the guy can escalate from it. But I dont see what this has to do with rapport. Maybe I'm missing something.

To much rapport = No sexual vibe = Freind zone. Count me out, thank u very much kind sir.

I mean, even when girls try seek rapport with me I'll try lead the convo somewhere more charged up because any type of fluff/rapport ect does not get me any closer to the lay.

 

[Slick101]

lol It's good to laugh mate.



Why do DJ's have different meanings for everything? rapport is rapport.



I agree with this. Set-up questions are very useful for leading a convo in the right direction (sexual) at the start to get the ball rolling. I often do that myself. When I use a setup question I'm looking to switch it to somethnig sexual soon as possible and keep escalating. A set-up question is useless by it's self unless the guy can escalate from it. But I dont see what this has to do with rapport. Maybe I'm missing something.

To much rapport = No sexual vibe = Freind zone. Count me out, thank u very much kind sir.

I mean, even when girls try seek rapport with me I'll try lead the convo somewhere more charged up because any type of fluff/rapport ect does not get me any closer to the lay.

Its the other way around...

Rapport is what gets you laid...

Having to much rapport makes you look like a Puzzy, then you might end up in the friend zone... but thats when your amazingly compfortable with her...

 

[Slick101]

BB learned from Shark. I would recommend Shark over BB, as BB is a more watered down direct method and I'm not quite sold on him/it.

Also, check out the ebook called "Mode One" by Alan Roger Currie.

It's only $20.00, not like some of these ridiculously expensive ebooks that are just rehashes of basic "community" material. It's definately cutting edge stuff and IMO, well worth it.

Again, I'll spend more time on this thread later, but I'm putting in 12 hour days right now, so I don't have a lot of free time to post. (And that's no "artificial time constraint" either. LOL)

Some general comments and thoughts not directed at anyone specifically:

The biggest roadblock I see for most guys when it comes to direct is that they look for all the reasons that it won't work, and then why then try it, they sub-communicate that they don't think it will work for them and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Also, many guys deep down are trying to protect their fragile egos, and therefore will not "put it all on the line" and truly express their desires, especially to women.

I've never had a negative experience with Direct. I've had girls politely tell me they have a b/f or whatever, but even then, they were absolutely thrilled to be approached in such a way, and some even "winged" for me and introduced me to their HB friend.

I don't worry about "b!tch-shields" - that phrase is not in my reality or my vocabulary.
I don't care what girls say to each other in the bathroom. I don't care what other people think about me or what they think about what I say or what I do. I don't wait for eye contact, or "IOI's" before I approach.

I approach who I want, when I want, without any apologies. I've even approached a HB9 with 3 Meatheads who looked like they could bench press Australia.

I do not hide my intents and desires as a Man, especially when it comes to HB's. I'm not about faking disinterest, and playing manipulative games.

Games are for women.

You can only be manipulated by someone when you try to manipulate them.

Think about it. It makes perfect sense.

I'm not saying that Direct is for everyone, or that everyone should do it.

I am saying that if you choose to go that route, it should work very, very well for you if and only if you fully commit to it, in every aspect of your life and not just when it comes to approaching and meeting women.
Otherwise, it will set off the BS Meter on girls, as previously stated above.

Hell, they know why we are approaching them. Why not be upfront and honest and sincere about it?

I'll address other comments at a later time.

I'll see if shark has some material....

Ya thanks for the feedback, and yea I would like to see your direct method post when your available...

Looks like your not a big fan of Time Constraints,,,LOL

 

[zerocelcius]

lol It's good to laugh mate.



Why do DJ's have different meanings for everything? rapport is rapport.



I agree with this. Set-up questions are very useful for leading a convo in the right direction (sexual) at the start to get the ball rolling. I often do that myself. When I use a setup question I'm looking to switch it to somethnig sexual soon as possible and keep escalating. A set-up question is useless by it's self unless the guy can escalate from it. But I dont see what this has to do with rapport. Maybe I'm missing something.

To much rapport = No sexual vibe = Freind zone. Count me out, thank u very much kind sir.

I mean, even when girls try seek rapport with me I'll try lead the convo somewhere more charged up because any type of fluff/rapport ect does not get me any closer to the lay.

Rapport makes her feel comfortable, It gives you time to see if she is somebody you are interested in. It builds a connection that you can build off of. If you want her and want to move on to sexual escalation than you move out of rapport. Isolate her and build on the connection. Start to use Trance words and the amazing connection.

Trance words are just words she uses over and over.
Her: "no hella; I have been there it was hella cool. I went with some friends we all thought it was hella amazing..."

Trance word = Hella

Use that word when you talk to her. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE WORD HELLA! Just a word she uses a lot.

Amazing Connection is just finding out what she likes to do and picking something that you also like to do and use it as a topic. Try to express the feelings that that event can create.

 

[Derek Flint]

I'll see if shark has some material....

Ya thanks for the feedback, and yea I would like to see your direct method post when your available...

Looks like your not a big fan of Time Constraints,,,LOL

OK, here's how I approach:

I'll see the HB 9/10 - I don't wait for eye contact, or any "IOI's" or any of that other stuff. Nor do I approach anything below a HB8+
Nor do I approach 10 sets a night, because I don't need to.

Then, I'll take a few seconds to put myself in the proper state.

I will also observe her for a minute or two, if I have enough time, and I'll think about if she is the type of girl I want to meet and get to know based on her interactions with others and the way she behaves.

If so, I then imagine how good she would look naked, underneath me squirming and squealing in sheer pleasure.

In my mind, that azz is already mine, and I'm going to go take what is rightfully mine, as I own that azz.

Doesn't matter if she's with 3 other HB's, or 3 meatheads who look like they could benchpress Australia. That is my HB

I begin to walk over, or more like stroll over, slowly, confidently with my head up, back straight with a smile on my face. Not a goofy type smile, but a warm, genuine sincere smile that creates comfort and trust. And I do this not because some PU guru says to, but because that's how I do it.

If her back is to me, I will gently place my hand on her shoulder and gently turn her toward me. If her shoulder is bare, I will make sure my hand is warm and warm it up first if I've been holding a cold adult beverage previously, so my first contact/impression with her won't be an icy cold touch.

Again, I gently but dominantly turn her toward me. Then, our eyes meet.
I gaze into her eyes, again with a smile that radiates genuine warmth, comfort and trust. I don't say a word - not yet. I let the sexual tension build, but just for a moment.

I then take her by the hand, or maybe take each of her hands in mine and hold them up a bit to about waist level.

Then, slowly and confidently, with proper tonality, I will open with something like: "You are...(slight pause, again to build sexual tension and to peak her curiousity and interest)...exceptionally beautiful...and I would like to take the time to get to know you" I will then slightly squeeze her hand(s) at this point.

Not to "anchor" or any of that NLP stuff, but to add emphasis to my words and actions.

Then, I don't say a thing. I let those profound words just hang in the air and sink in.

I do widen my smile just a tiny bit, all the while standing there confidently, with my head held high, my back straight, my chest slightly out, shoulders slightly back and feet apart.

Again, not because some "PUA" says to, but because that's the way I do it naturally, especially when I'm feeling bold and confident.

At this point, one of three things will usually happen:

1) She will become somewhat flustered, but her face will "light up" and her body language will also perk up, and she will introduce herself by first name, or sometimes, by first and last name which indicates that my genuine honesty and openess has created instant trust.

At this point, I will qualify her by asking her if she is the type of person I should get to know, and if so, why? Or a similar qualifier to let her know that she's not getting a free pass just because she's hot.

She still has to meet my standards.

2) She will say "oh my god" a few times and might even begin to tremble.
I have experienced this phenomena more than once.
Again, I will qualify her for the reasons stated above.

3) She will say that she is extremely flattered, and loves my direct, no BS approach, but she has a b/f. I have a method I created for that obstacle that is somewhat effective, but I'm not going to share it here as it is my own original work and I don't want people using it and having it make the rounds on all the PU forums and eventually making it's way to the upscale lounges that I frequent.

Sorry, but it is sheer genius if I may say so, and I'm not going to share it so please, don't PM me and ask for it. I will delete your email without responding.

Again, I apologize, but this is something I created and it took me years to come up with it, field test it and perfect it, and I'm not going to have it being used by half the aspiring PUA's in San Francisco's Marina District.

3a) She has a b/f, but is so impressed with my genuine, ballsy, honest and sincere approach, she will introduce me to her HB friend(s) if she is present, and she may even "wing" for me. Again, this has actually happened and more than once.

Also, notice when I open, I don't say anything like "excuse me, but..." or "I saw you and I thought I would come over here and..." or "Excuse me, I usually don't do this but..." or "I think you are beautiful..." or anything like that.

Why? Because I don't need to use a disclaimer or a reason as to why I came over to talk to her, other than what I stated above.

And when approaching and opening in an honest, sincere, open manner, women will usually respond in kind. They will follow your lead if it is genuine and from the heart, and they will open up to you.

If she has the attitude that she can use or manipulate me because I was honest and complimented her, or if she gets a "princess" attitude, then she just DQ'd herself, as I want nothing to do with those type of girls, but they are few and far between in my experiences when you lead by a positive example like I described above.

If you open with a lie, such as an artificial time constraint, or another lie like using an opinion opener by asking her a question that you don't care about the answer, or fake disinterest, then guess what? You're going to get the same in return - lies, fakeness, manipulation, etc...

Do you think you have a better chance of creating Attraction, Interest, Rapport, Comfort, etc... when you base your first interactions with her on lies and manipulative tactics, or on genuine honesty, warmth and sincerity?

You make the call.

Now, if being honest, genuine, open and sincere is not your persona, not who you are, then you will come across as fake and disingenious as women have a sixth sense when it comes to BS

So, there you have it. The doubters can come up with a million excuses why it doesn't work, and you know what?
It won't for them because they already have convinced themselves that it won't, and that will come across in their approach if they do try going direct.

It has to be genuine, and it has to come from deep within and not from some PU ebook or Home Study Course.

 

[zerocelcius]

Sounds good!

 

[ChrizZ]

Then, slowly and confidently, with proper tonality, I will open with something like: "You are...(slight pause, again to build sexual tension and to peak her curiousity and interest)...exceptionally beautiful...and I would like to take the time to get to know you" I will then slightly squeeze her hand(s) at this point.

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Also, notice when I open, I don't say anything like "excuse me, but..." or "I saw you and I thought I would come over here and..." or "Excuse me, I usually don't do this but..." or "I think you are beautiful..." or anything like that.

I'm not gonna critizise u though. I'll first try it myself and then critizise u :rock:
One big advantage DA has is however that u don't waste ur time thinking "does she like me???"