Direct Approach

[Derek Flint]

I used a situational opener on a 3 set of HB's that were rejecting everybody (9.5)
They rejected my opener as well..

You think directly stating that they are gorgeous And i would like to get to know them would have worked?

Maybe. But it's more than what you say. If you're not congruent with the whole "direct" thing in other parts of your life, you're not going to see much success with it in other parts of your life, such as approaching and meeting women because they can sense it if it's not.

 

[Derek Flint]

What are some direct openers you guys recommend? College is back in session and there are hot babes everywhere. I will still use "are you single" but I want some variety too.

I would avoid "are you single" until you have created some Attraction and Rapport.

Also, "Direct" is much more than just an opener. See the post above this one.

 

[Agent Zero]

I would avoid "are you single" until you have created some Attraction and Rapport.

Also, "Direct" is much more than just an opener. See the post above this one.

Yeah, I know it's a lot more than the opener. I am pretty good at the direct mindset I think. My style when I am not nervous (nervousness is going down) is a lot like Peter Gibbons when he asked out that girl in that restaurant in Office Space if you remember that...complete nonchalance. I just asked for openers cause I think they are important to have as crutches in the beginning and that's where I am. "Hi" would be nice, but that's not exactly an opener IMO cause it doesn't start a conversation. I appreciate your insights here since you do a lot of direct. Since you don't like openers, do you just always go situational? My situation is that I am on college campus and I see lots of girls who walk past me every day so that's why I have to stop them with a question or else everyone's busy and won't stop.

 

[Derek Flint]

All i do is direct approaches. They work for me.Why?

1) I am displaying my interests and being honest
2) I am above her ( 9's,10s,shb++)
3) I am confident and sure of my self
4) I am not insecure
5) I am charming

( looks wise: to my self i believe i am the best looking man around , although i know there are men who could be better looking than me and stuff )

I walk up to girls and tell them how beautiful they are and how much id like to meet them. Guess what? They love it.

Its natural, its been done like that for centuries. Thats all you need. Good bye.

That's pretty much how I open too, along with good body language, good tonality, speaking slowly and not rushing my opener which displays nervousness, and with confidence and an attitude that her ass is mine.

And, you are also sub-communicating that you are a Man who knows what he wants, and goes after it, with no excuses or BS and is not afraid to express his intent. You're a Man, she's a Woman. You are talking to her and approaching her for a reason, and you and her both know what the reason is.

Many women find this to be very attractive.

It's not because you are wondering who lies more, men or women? Or some other indirect opener. They know why we approach them, so why hide your intent?

Too many guys try to hide their intentions, then wonder why they get put in the friend zone, or why the girl doesn't respect them. And if she doesn't respect you, she won't f*** you either.


Would you respect a woman who wanted to meet you, but did so under false pretenses?

I know most women won't respect a Man who does that.

 

[Derek Flint]

Yeah, I know it's a lot more than the opener. I am pretty good at the direct mindset I think. My style when I am not nervous (nervousness is going down) is a lot like Peter Gibbons when he asked out that girl in that restaurant in Office Space if you remember that...complete nonchalance. I just asked for openers cause I think they are important to have as crutches in the beginning and that's where I am. "Hi" would be nice, but that's not exactly an opener IMO cause it doesn't start a conversation. I appreciate your insights here since you do a lot of direct. Since you don't like openers, do you just always go situational? My situation is that I am on college campus and I see lots of girls who walk past me every day so that's why I have to stop them with a question or else everyone's busy and won't stop.

See the post above this one.

 

[ChrizZ]

The problem with direct openers is

a) they don't work if you are ugly

b) they don't work on the really hot girls with b!tch shields.

The reason is she prolly has a bf and she will compare u with him. Since you haven't created enough value because she doesn't really know anything about you, her b!tch shield will go up even higher because u showed ur intentions too early without building attraction and comofort first.

 

[ToughLove]

The problem with direct openers is

a) they don't work if you are ugly

b) they don't work on the really hot girls with b!tch shields.

The reason is she prolly has a bf and she will compare u with him. Since you haven't created enough value because she doesn't really know anything about you, her b!tch shield will go up even higher because u showed ur intentions too early without building attraction and comofort first.

a) everyone has potential to get good looking enough to be not ugly

b) DONT U DARE think she PROBLY has a boyfriend - thats amazingly stupid, u reject urself based on a random stupid assumtion!! and lets stop with the gay terminology - wat the hell is a b1tch shield??? do u think strong powerful men care about "b1tch shields"??? NOPE, its only the pathetic losers who think about things such as "b1tch shield"

disgusting attitude i see here form most of u

 

[ToughLove]

and Chriszz, look at ur own goddamn quote - "use a compliment to raise her to my level" - thats what u do with the direct approach

 

[Kev07]

a) everyone has potential to get good looking enough to be not ugly

b) DONT U DARE think she PROBLY has a boyfriend - thats amazingly stupid, u reject urself based on a random stupid assumtion!! and lets stop with the gay terminology - wat the hell is a b1tch shield??? do u think strong powerful men care about "b1tch shields"??? NOPE, its only the pathetic losers who think about things such as "b1tch shield"

disgusting attitude i see here form most of u

Yeah definetely, why in the world would you assume the girl has a boyfriend before you even meet her. If she has one, let her make it clear to you.

 

[ChrizZ]

even if she doesn't have a bf, the thing is she always has options cuz she has model guys, rich guys etc. chasing her. Do u think u r the only guy that tries direct approaches on her? Do u think u r the only guy that uses C&F? There is nothing that sets u apart from the crowd. What I'm saying is confidence isn't enough. You need to have a gameplan to show her that u have value.

 

[Derek Flint]

The problem with direct openers is

a) they don't work if you are ugly

b) they don't work on the really hot girls with b!tch shields.

The reason is she prolly has a bf and she will compare u with him. Since you haven't created enough value because she doesn't really know anything about you, her b!tch shield will go up even higher because u showed ur intentions too early without building attraction and comofort first.

I create value by doing something 99 out of 100 guys can't or won't do, and that is approach in a direct, honest, straightforward manner, being clear about why I am approaching her, and doing it with confidence, good body language, good strong tonality and an attitude that her ass is already mine.

It creates massive attraction when done correctly. I've seen it. I've pulled HB9's on the same night. I've made girls tremble and shake just from my approach. I've had her g/f's wing for me instead of CB me because they were so impressed by my approach.

You're speaking from a theory viewpoint, I'm speaking from an experience viewpoint.

You're trying to apply all the "masf" BS to Direct, and it doesn't work that way.

You're too hung up on creating value and things like that. I create value with my approach. I create attraction with my approach.

Why? Because it's strong, it's powerful, and it has a profound effect on women.

Not all women. Nothing does. Some women have b/f's. Some women will flat out reject you based on the type of watch you wear, or your hair color, or some other superficial $#!T - who wants women like that anyways?

They're doing me a favor by rejecting me.

And, you're saying "she doesn't know anything about me" when I approach direct? More BS - she knows that I'm a Man with a pair of balls who is not afraid to go after what I want, unapologetically, without excuses, without making up some lame-ass opinion opener. She knows that I'm approaching her because I'm physically attracted to her, and that I would like to get to know her.

The phrase "*****-shield" means nothing to me. It doesn't exist in my reality.

You look for reasons why Direct method doesn't work. You focus on the negatives, the "what ifs" while I only think about how I'm gonna have that azz bouncing up and down like a lowrider in a Dr. Dre video.

And how in my mind, she's already mine. And when I see her light up like a Christmas tree, or she actually begins to tremble and shake, that azz at that point is mine.

Done correctly, a direct opener followed by being direct will create massive attraction, value and all that other "community" BS that makes pickup way more complicated than it is.

Approach directly. Create rapport and comfort. Isolate. F-close.

I don't have to do a bunch of tricks to create value or attraction or "DHV", as my direct, unapologetic behavior inherently does it for me.
Women want Men. Men who aren't afraid to go for what they want, and do so not giving a damn what other people think, or being held back by fear of a negative outcome.

You'd be surprised at just how far you can "push the envelope" when it comes to approaching and meeting women.

And I would highly recommend the ebook "Mode One" as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Trust me. Being honest, direct and straightforward creates massive value and attraction when done correctly.

Later, I will post step by step how I approach.

 

[ToughLove]

even if she doesn't have a bf, the thing is she always has options cuz she has model guys, rich guys etc. chasing her. Do u think u r the only guy that tries direct approaches on her? Do u think u r the only guy that uses C&F? There is nothing that sets u apart from the crowd. What I'm saying is confidence isn't enough. You need to have a gameplan to show her that u have value.

yes i am the only guy that direct approaches her and tells her "hey u are beautiful, lets talk "

no i dont use c + f on her, i use my own natural personality on her

i dont care how many guys are trying to get with her, because TO ME, when i talk to her, she comes into MY WORLD, and in MY WORLD, i can tell her whatever the hell i want, because I DONT CARE if her mind says "oh well 10 other guys told me this already", because I will say it in my own special confident flirty way (i got blue eyes, and im an expert at sexual eye contact)

Chriszz, u can be a p8ssy and just stand around and do nothing ill be the guy not giving a fcuk and approaching all the hot girls that u cant

is that what u REALLY want??

 

[ToughLove]

THE END:


http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105670

 

[zerocelcius]

I like this topic! Seems to be what the others on this forum should be talking about and see really how much BS we can cut out of our approach or how to hone our DA.

I still am not going to go up to a girl and say "Your Beautiful I would like to get to know you." I just don't want to. I still would use pivots and openers. For me it just feels right. Than again I am one of those that don't see the glass half full or half empty I see it as a glass w/water in it. Who cares how full it is. I also think there is no such thing as a 10. So for me to give a compliment that easy isn't just going to happen. Not if I am actually interested in her. I will compliment the hell out of her UG friend.

I do think it takes ballz to do this DA, but I don't think it means you don't have ballz if you don't. Everyone has their own style, and for me that is the most important thing. We all are PUA here weather you like the term or not. You go to a sight and read/post about the PU. You give advice and get it, all about the PU. So if we are all PUAs than we need the style to make the A in PUA.

I believe there are guys out there that can PU by burping...I don't want to see the girls he pulls, BUT my point is we have to search ourselves to find our natural PU. Our Natural style.

We need people like Flint and Iwillreturnsoon to come on here and say get your head out of your ass and make it simple. We also need people on here making it an art form. We also need people to ask why.

This topic has had some passionate posts and yet no flaming. Good times.

I still have a question about the Rapport part. Since you came in so direct, would you not have to stay that direct while building the Rapport so that she doesn't see that the initial approach was the only thing direct about you?

Saying that you’re naturally direct and there for not pretending to be direct during the approach. Or she would see through you and know that the DA was a gimmick.

I am not saying it is fake, but asking: “How do you build Rapport while being so Direct and not get them to smile, laugh, touch playfully, etc.” I am not a Direct Person but a Playful person. SO that is my Dilemma and inability to grasp it internally.

 

[zerocelcius]

THE END:


http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105670

That has to be one of the weirdest posts I have ever read.

Scared the poop out of me!

 

[Derek Flint]

You can be direct with your approach, your intentions, but still playfully tease her and joke with her and yes, even qualify her. Just because I told her I think she is beautiful and would like to get to know her doesn't mean she gets a free pass.

I'm still going to use some C&F, because it's part of my personality, not because David D says to do it. And I'm going to playfully tease her as well because I feel like it.

I'm going to create rapport and comfort, and I'm also going to try to isolate and F-Close. A phone number will be my last option, not my first.

But she will know from the very beginning what I want and expect from our interactions.

At the end of the night, I'm not going to invite her over to my place for a drink or a cup of coffee, which we all know is code words for sex. I'm going to invite her over for a night of hot, wild sex, pretty much in those words.

Like I said, it can be surprising how much you can get away with when being confident and leading and acting as if it's the most natural thing in the world.

Oh wait, it is the most natural thing in the world for a Man and a Woman to get together and have sex, so why hide your intentions?

 

[Derek Flint]

That has to be one of the weirdest posts I have ever read.

Scared the poop out of me!

Why? It's pretty much spot on.

As opposed to guys who try to "fly in under the radar, so they can spit their game"?

Lose the fear. Don't be outcome dependent. Don't worry about *****-shields, or any of that crap, or what people around you will think.

Focus on the moment. Focus on making her day with your approach. Focus on making her feel good and making her feel beautiful, and sexy, and apprectiated, which is what all women want.

Focus on rocking her world.

 

[ToughLove]

like the thread i posted, if you embrace the love that u COULD have with the girl you approach, all fear will be gone and will be replaced with positive love energy - girls love it (but you cant be ugly)

 

[Kev07]

THE END:


http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105670

I remember reading that a while back, thanks for bringing it back.

 

[lyamdb]

This is a great thread. One of the few that one can actually learn something from. Just one point I want to add. I guess there's a confusion about what is meant by DA. You can still be playful, C&F, you can neg her, make her laugh, do push-pulls, give her compliments and tease her while you are being direct. And you don't have to tell her she's beautiful. direct approaching means not hiding what you want from your interaction with her. And you don't even have to say it in words. you can imply it playfully with your bodylanguage and tone of voice. you can neg her in words while at the same time showing interest with your bodylanguage. being direct doesn't mean being simple at all.
And why DA anyway? Because a hot girl always knows why we're approaching her. and if we try to hide it we're just displaying insecurity. and insecurity is disgusting.