DATING APPS ARE DESTROYING YOUNG MEN AND SHOULD BE BANNED

[BackInTheGame78]

Is it really true that so many young men and women are not having sex.

Im dubious about this.

In the past more men and women were in ltrs with the odd hookup. Nowadays young ppl have more hookup partners vs ltrs compared to the past.

For sure the market has moved more towards hookups so that will benefit certain types of men (and women) compared to the past with so there will be men getting less sex than in the past if they are not as good or willing to engage in hookups.

But i find it contradictory to say young ppl are not having as much sex as going by my observations there is lots of hookups going on so how can that be.

Because there are 3x the number of young guys that never leave their room and play video games all day long or are on their phones or computers all day.

 

[kavi]

Because there are 3x the number of young guys that never leave their room and play video games all day long or are on their phones or computers all day.

Yeah but i dnt blame them and even then most of those guys probs do go out if there are good social opportunities but its still hard to meet women unless you can do it on apps or cold approach. With apps its just a mostly superficial thing and with cold approach it is gonna be tough for most guys.

Personally i dont blame these guys cos few men have the ability to get good results with apps or cold approach and other ways of meeting women.are shrinking. So it seems to be chad types on apps or the few guys with cold approach abilities who are getting all the s3x.

But im saying it seems many or most mainstream young women are getting laid alot more or atleast with more different partners than in the past. Not sure if my judgement is correct tho?

Another poster here mentioned on another thread that young ppl are having a lot of sex so i think there are confusing and conflicting narratives out there.

 

[Gamisch]

I agree with the title ofthis thread. Apps should be banned or regulated. Ten years ago it was impossible to forsee how they'd change dating as a whole.

If you watch porn( i know YOU dont lol) tou get these adds. Click on one and you go to a (fake ofcourse) dating /hookup site (that is now legally obligated to mention) that the profles are fake. Not too long ago this wasn't clear and any naive man could believe he was talking to a model tier woman. I say this because its known that OLD apps did the same, and the smaller ones probably still do this to get more users.

I also say this because it sounds laughable to say that apps must be regulated ,but it happened before as my example shows.

I think apps should give clearity about their algorithms, their (apparently) elo score system, amount of users and male female ratio, how and why they will or wont show you to this or that person and many more things . This way a consumer can decide if and which app suites him best.

Dating is a basic necessity, and OLD apps are actually dominating many people's lives and minds.

Eventually even from a broader pov it hurts society when average hard working men cant reproduce. I can imagine ifthis seeps through to more traditional nations like Islamic ones, that they'll lose their shyte and start implementing all kinds of laws to ensure enough children are being born.

From that regard dating apps have taken on a HUGE responsibility. They've estranged cold approach actually. Tons of men believe that cold approach is pointless because a woman will simply go on OLD to hook up. Before OLD we'd only be talking about C approach because there was no other way to get women.

Is it really true that so many young men and women are not having sex.

Im dubious about this.

In the past more men and women were in ltrs with the odd hookup. Nowadays young ppl have more hookup partners vs ltrs compared to the past.

For sure the market has moved more towards hookups so that will benefit certain types of men (and women) compared to the past with so there will be men getting less sex than in the past if they are not as good or willing to engage in hookups.

But i find it contradictory to say young ppl are not having as much sex as going by my observations there is lots of hookups going on so how can that be.

As I said before; 20% of people have tons of sex..the other 80% want that 20% as well, and rather holdout, or their being forced to hold out. On top of that a man who doesn't get sex won't necessarily brag about it but rather keep it to himself. A man who soley relies on prostitution might also keep it to himself .

20% of a bilion is still plenty of people.

 

[corrector]

I don't think most unmarried women are noticing men pulling back. The type of man who is pulling back is a man who was already sent to the rejection pile by most of the women in that geography. After a certain number of rejections, most men will pull out of the market and go MGTOW, only pay directly for sex, etc. I don't think the average woman misses the average MGTOW man because she had already rejected him. Rollo has said many times that the average woman isn't interested in the average man.

There are many TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube videos with 35-40+ white collar women wondering about where the good men have gone but that's it.

Okay.

 

[corrector]

Majority of app users fixate on one women instead of creating deep pipelines, which means they place way too much importance on any on interaction with a woman. This means instead of being able to relax in person on a date they are thinking they "have to do well" and putting pressure on themself because it's their only option.

That's because they only have one option. They are not chads/chadlites like you are who have more options to choose from.

They go on one date and if it's goes badly they are ruined mentally for 2 weeks.

That is because they don't see any other messages in their inbox or swipes, and might be getting that once or twice a month or worst.

Instead what they should be doing is working on gathering 3-5 numbers a day, setting up multiple dates during the week and then going on dates and keeping the ones worthwhile for second dates and eliminating the ones not worthwhile.

You mean getting shadowbanned by doing a bunch of swipes and not getting any matches back?

Me? I have 2 or 3 more dates lined up that week and am getting more numbers daily so I could care less how any one interaction goes because there will be more around the corner.

That's because you are a chad/chadlite.

That's how you build a pipeline...the first thing you should be doing after a first date with a woman no matter how good it went is setting up 2-3 more dates with new women before you see her again. Because no matter how good the date went, even if you fvcked her, there is no guarantee you will ever see her again.

Men are not willing to accept this as reality and it causes them issues because of their unwillingness to simply accept it and then play the game according to this reality.

Chads/Chadlites have no problems building pipelines because they have lots more options. Do you think any sane guy would really deliberately limit himself to one option?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

That's because they only have one option. They are not chads/chadlites like you are who have more options to choose from.



That is because they don't see any other messages in their inbox or swipes, and might be getting that once or twice a month or worst.



You mean getting shadowbanned by doing a bunch of swipes and not getting any matches back?



That's because you are a chad/chadlite.



Chads/Chadlites have no problems building pipelines because they have lots more options. Do you think any sane guy would really deliberately limit himself to one option?

Most certainly am not, but if it helps you sleep better at night with the lies you tell yourself then keep telling 'em Big Dawg.

 

[Gamisch]

That's because you are a chad/chadlite.



Chads/Chadlites have no problems building pipelines because they have lots more options. Do you think any sane guy would really deliberately limit himself to one option?

Que? You think any man, and also men like any celebrity or politician who pfcourse can get more than one woman does this?

C'mon now. Plenty of men decide to be faithful to one woman . Any man can visit any hooker at any given time.

You mean getting shadowbanned by doing a bunch of swipes and not getting any matches back?

Now that was kinda funny.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yeah but i dnt blame them and even then most of those guys probs do go out if there are good social opportunities but its still hard to meet women unless you can do it on apps or cold approach. With apps its just a mostly superficial thing and with cold approach it is gonna be tough for most guys.

Personally i dont blame these guys cos few men have the ability to get good results with apps or cold approach and other ways of meeting women.are shrinking. So it seems to be chad types on apps or the few guys with cold approach abilities who are getting all the s3x.

But im saying it seems many or most mainstream young women are getting laid alot more or atleast with more different partners than in the past. Not sure if my judgement is correct tho?

Another poster here mentioned on another thread that young ppl are having a lot of sex so i think there are confusing and conflicting narratives out there.

When you don't learn social skills growing up, you don't have social skills as adults. That describes more and more people nowadays.

When I was growing up, we wer outdoors all day every day in the summer playing with other kids and doing whatever until it was 9pm and getting dark out.

Nowadays, kids stay shut in their room glued to whatever screen they have and even if they go out with their friends they sit in silence glued to their screens and barely say a word to each other.

You cannot become good at social interactions if you refuse to practice social interactions even when you have the opportunity to do so.

 

[pipeman84]

Firstly, his attitude of 'let's ban what I don't like' is problematic.
Secondly, his solution to apps is men going up to girls in bars and offering to buy them drinks.

Instead of having to walk up to a good looking woman and offer to buy her a drink, young men now have the freedom to sexually proposition complete strangers without any risks.

Even if a woman says yes and they meet up for a quick one-night stand, is that a positive? That’s nothing more than a sexual transaction that treats both people as a cog in a machine that will quickly be discarded and replaced.

 

[IKO69]

That's the whole point.

If a married man says something like: " all y'all lil feggotz cant even get a woman" , he'll get burned. But when he makes a statement for struggling men he also gets backlash.

Its like a millionaire caring about homelessness .
A kinda agree with you.

This ,especially to us, is old news. The thinh is that more and more mainstream media starts to pick up on it. We've reached a point where almost everyone will know some dude who'll tell you the bitter truth about OLD, and how he gave up on it. So everyone got a sister/friend / gf/colleague who has such a friend.

On top of all this dating is now commercialized and monopolized. Dating is a basic need for humans. So another basic need has been monopolized, like finding and funding a house.

Imo a DJ must find ways to NOT be reliant on OLD. A Dj knows hiw to talk to a woman.

Agree with some of the people here. It is often said that in addition to the convenience, it removes the anxiety of having to go on "the hunt". You don't have to be a genius to recognize the elephant in the room - even if things go well on the app and you manage to set up a date, you still have to meet in person and interact with them. Guys are doing themselves a disservice by trying to bypass the part of going up and starting conversations with women and honestly putting up with more bs in my opinion. In person you may get rejected (like I did yesterday when I took my shot) but at least you know where you stand. It's just a rejection from one person, doesn't mean **** and you can sleep well knowing someone else will buy what you're selling.

I understand a lot of guys end up getting ghosted on these things, have long drawn out convos that go nowhere (essentially having their time wasted). Furthermore you don't even know if you're talking to a female and just being catfished. Perhaps more controversially(and I know I'm going to have people jump down my throat) the best women aren't likely going to be using that crap. So you're gonna have no choice but to try to directly engage them in person.

 

[SW15]

When you don't learn social skills growing up, you don't have social skills as adults. That describes more and more people nowadays.

When I was growing up, we wer outdoors all day every day in the summer playing with other kids and doing whatever until it was 9pm and getting dark out.

Nowadays, kids stay shut in their room glued to whatever screen they have and even if they go out with their friends they sit in silence glued to their screens and barely say a word to each other.

You cannot become good at social interactions if you refuse to practice social interactions even when you have the opportunity to do so.

Generation X (1965-1980 Pew definition) was the last generation to spend a lot of their childhoods playing with other kids and doing whatever until it was dark out during the summer months. That's a common stereotype of 1950s-1980s raised children. Starting in the Millennial generation (1981-1996), there were more fears out abductions/kidnappings and overall unstructured and unsupervised outdoor play. Some earlier Millennials might have experienced the last vestiges of what you described. I am an early Millennial and my childhood didn't involve that much unstructured outdoor play with neighborhood children.

When you describe playing outdoors in summer, that's somewhat regional, even in Gen X in the USA. In Northern and Midwestern states, that's possible. Boomers and Gen X'ers in Southern Arizona (Phoenix/Tucson), Las Vegas, most of Texas, and large portions of the Southeastern US weren't able to play outdoors as much in summer due to extreme and oppressive heat. With that said, all those areas of the country were less populated during Boomer and Gen X'er childhoods during the 1950s-1980s than they have been in more recent decades. That part of the narrative is conveniently forgotten.

In the 1990s, when the first half of Millennials were in their core childhood years, video gaming systems became more prevalent. Broadband internet became a part of more households around 1998-2003. Good luck doing anything on dial up internet, which was common in the mid to late 1990s.

The 1980s born Millennials like me had decent video game consoles and decent desktops/laptops, but didn't have smartphones or tablets in childhood.

Millennials were the first generation with stunted social skills. This was evident even when I was on campus at college in 2001-2005 with early Millennials. It got worse throughout the Millennial generation and into Gen Z.

A good portion of Millennials never even had to cold approach due to AOL Instant Messenger, early MySpace/Facebook, and dating websites. Hookstead (the Outkick author) acted like the 2000-2012 era never happened. Facebook was invented in 2004 and took off originally in 2004-2006 with socially stunted early Millennials.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Most certainly am not, but if it helps you sleep better at night with the lies you tell yourself then keep telling 'em Big Dawg.

The chad/light cope rears it’s head again.

If you cannot explain your own failures. it must be that he has unfair advantage.

It’s like when many people see your stories that they don’t agree with they holler “fake news.”

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The chad/light cope rears it’s head again.

If you cannot explain your own failures. it must be that he has unfair advantage.

It’s like when many people see your stories that they don’t agree with they hollow false news.

Yeah...people who don't have the relentless drive to succeed at things that are important to them no matter what odds are placed in front of you don't understand how it's possible for those that do.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

if she saw you and decided to swipe left, then no 'game' is gonna help, tbh

Not if she's on the fence or swiping absent mindedly. Your odds aren't going to improve dramatically, but you can still do DeliciousTacos style game. If you can make them laugh with your opener you could get your foot in the door in a way you otherwise couldn't.

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Tbf, It helps to be creative

 

[TheEveningChronograph]

Yes ban the f out of it. OLD is for degenerates. Thanks AARON CLAREY

 

[I_have_BDE]

So its again mens fault for not doing what they are supposed to do, what a surprise.
"Men should do this, men are supposed to do that"

Maybe David should write first an article about what led majority of men to rely on dating apps...something like clownlike rejections to brag about it from women? something like faking interest to get free drinks before ghosting the guy? countless flakes....you know that stuff.

Dating apps have a very low rate of return for the average man but also have the lower rate of wasted time and money compared to traditional approaches in 2023, especially after this me2 BS where every man is seeing as a potential predator in the streets.

Worse you get from a dating apps is being ghosted in the convo or flaked on the date that's all.

The fact that if something doesnt work, men stop doing it, apparently its alien to many.

OLD has sucked for awhile, but up until covid you could get return, even slapping up some poor quality pics. FB dating was easy to get replies, Tinder more likes, Match even with some crap pics as long as you wrote a thoughtful message you would get replies. Even for the typical guy could get some traction.

As I've said before the biggest issue now with OLD the last 3 years is paywalls and the neutering of the apps/sites. you get limited number of swipes before you gotta pay up. POF only allows one message per day now. Women just didn't get fat and ugly over night. The ugly ones stick around OLD because thats all the attention they can get and they will pay to play. The hot women have mostly left OLD for similar reasons and paywalls.

 

[The Duke]

A few random thoughts:

-Dating apps suck just as bad for women, but for different reasons.

-Match Group owns Tinder, Match, POF, Hinge, and several other sites. Bumble is the only mainstream outlier. These sites are set up to make a profit, and its gotten more and more that way over the years. They are not set up to be productive for the typical user. Seems as these apps start to age, they aren't effective anymore and I think thats by design to increase profits.

-Guys start No Fap support threads, maybe they should start a no OLD support thread and encourage others not to use it.

-OLD isn't as productive for me as it was 5+ years ago. I used to do pretty good on there. I've only been back on there for a few weeks so time will tell. What I have noticed is that its far easier for me to get numbers in bars than ever before.

 

[Gamisch]

A few random thoughts:

-Dating apps suck just as bad for women, but for different reasons.

-Match Group owns Tinder, Match, POF, Hinge, and several other sites. Bumble is the only mainstream outlier. These sites are set up to make a profit, and its gotten more and more that way over the years. They are not set up to be productive for the typical user. Seems as these apps start to age, they aren't effective anymore and I think thats by design to increase profits.

-Guys start No Fap support threads, maybe they should start a no OLD support thread and encourage others not to use it.

-OLD isn't as productive for me as it was 5+ years ago. I used to do pretty good on there. I've only been back on there for a few weeks so time will tell. What I have noticed is that its far easier for me to get numbers in bars than ever before.

I like what you say about a no OLd thread, but it would quickly become a toxic thread full of sad stories.

The funny thing about OLD is that it's seemingly innocent and extremely efficient. All you do is make a profile and then play the waiting game.

But the urge is so strong it forces you to pay more attention to it than you'd like. It's not as innocent as we think. A bigger grocery store is set up by teams of highly studied people, with the intent to make you buy this or that, spend more. Same with OLD. Make profile and your already sucked into it.

 

[The Duke]

Wait until everyone has a chat bot to handle their OLD for them. That will be another fee to pay. Somebody needs to start that now. $$$ Figure it out then sell it to Match Group. They will be all about another revenue stream.

 

[SW15]

I have noticed is that its far easier for me to get numbers in bars than ever before.

Arrange your first dates from bars then. Are you going to bars later in the night (8 PM or later) or doing weeknight Happy Hours?