if she saw you and decided to swipe left, then no 'game' is gonna help, tbh
You can still do that on Match.
He does mention the rejection and glosses over them too easily.
Depending on how much rejection a man is taking, it can really affect him psychologically. Few men are going to survive those 99 rejections to get one acceptance.
Yes, you're correct dating apps have a low rate of return for the average man.
He does, but he also has some mistakes.Dating Apps Are Destroying Young Men And Should Be Banned: HOOKSTEAD
Should dating apps like Tinder and Bubble be banned? OutKick's David Hookstead argues the apps are terrible for young men.www.outkick.com
Makes a number of very good points.
All true.
This point could have been explored further.
This is a good conclusion.
Yes. This is a big problem. Unfortunately, he follows this up with an erroneous historical anecdote.
It appears that David Hookstead forgot the entire dating website era. 2000-2012 didn't exist according to him (Tinder launched in September 2012). Before dating apps became a thing in his last semester at University of Wisconsin, dating websites were a thing. All the things happening on dating apps in the last 10 years were happening on dating websites after 2005. Dating websites had become de-stigmatized by 2005 and plenty of men were using dating websites from 2005-August 2012, In 2007-2011, it would have been entirely possible for a man to do his entire dating life from a dating website on his laptop. There were a good number of men doing that then.
The last sentence is beta/blue pill, though you could make the point it is included to placate a more blue pill audience.
This sounds like a feminist with women's studies major wrote the 2nd sentence. It was better for men in general to do in-person approaches. I agree that men make statements behind electronic screens that they wouldn't make in-person. David Hookstead acts like this is a male privilege to sexually proposition complete strangers behind an electronic screen. It's not. Also, the typical man on dating apps isn't the man sending the most provocative and disgusting message. The typical man on a dating apps is the one having his completely appropriate messages being ignored.
Most young men are not having easier access to sex in the last 10 years (2013-present) as compared to 1995-2000. Why are male sexlessness rates higher than with swipe apps? This was a major blind spot in his argument. The typical man is ignored on dating apps, which he does not mention once in this article. Where's the mention of the typical less than 1% match on swipe apps?
That's the whole point.
A kinda agree with you.
Outkick is not the mainstream media. Outkick has a lot lower brand recognition than ABC, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, etc.
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I'm not sure that's true. I'm not sure that's permeated the married woman with children social circle bubbles yet. I think you have a valid point that more and more people know some man that has had a bad experience on the swipe apps.
Women can have some good experiences on apps, getting validation and bolstering her self-esteem. When women run into problems on apps is when they try to get commitment from Top 10% men.
Yes. Men are better off focusing their efforts into some real life method of arranging dates.
Well, the fact he's invited on CNN means he's more than a random Youtuber. I should've said: it's slowly seeps into the mainstream media. Lets not forget that ths is a highly controversial topic that nobody likes to talk about. I am European so I've never heard of Outkick, but the fact he is connected to such a big platform tells me a lot.Outkick is not the mainstream media. Outkick has a lot lower brand recognition than ABC, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, etc.
Outkick founder Clay Travis was a member of the mainstream media as a sports radio host in the past. He has also appeared on Fox News and CNN in the past. Here's his appearance on CNN in 2017 which caused a stir when he irked feminist then-CNN host Brooke Baldwin about boobs.
Fox News conservative pundit Tomi Lahren also has an Outkick podcast/video podcast.
Tomi Lahren has been featured on SoSuave forums for an epic rant she made about men in August 2020 following her failed engagement. 13 months after her epic internet rant, a rich simp puts a ring on her finger. It's like he never watched her viral internet rant where she trashed men.
Tomi Lauren is fed up with players who consider her to be a plate
https://www.dailywire.com/news/a-lot-of-men-are-trash-tomi-lahren-posts-14-minute-psa-for-boyish-men
I'm not sure that's true. I'm not sure that's permeated the married woman with children social circle bubbles yet. I think you have a valid point that more and more people know some man that has had a bad experience on the swipe apps.
Women can have some good experiences on apps, getting validation and bolstering her self-esteem. When women run into problems on apps is when they try to get commitment from Top 10% men.
Yes. Men are better off focusing their efforts into some real life method of arranging dates.
Well, perhaps it about time you share some of your secrets bruh!
I am mostly on Hinge and Bumble when I am looking for women to add to the pipeline. POF and OKC used to be pretty good for me going back 5-7 years ago but they totally suck now in this area and POF in general is terrible now. Might as well be a paid site with how limited your options are as a free member.
Majority of app users fixate on one women instead of creating deep pipelines, which means they place way too much importance on any on interaction with a woman. This means instead of being able to relax in person on a date they are thinking they "have to do well" and putting pressure on themself because it's their only option.
In more recent years, Clay Travis has been on Fox News more than CNN. I don't think he ever appeared on CNN again after that incident in 2017. That incident in 2017 went hugely viral at the time and probably raised the profile of both Clay Travis and Outkick.
This is a legitimate point. It could be seeping into women's consciousness if they see their son, brother, cousin, neighbor with a son, getting sent to the rejection pile by single women. I don't know if women would actively be thinking about broader societal consequences when they see this. I haven't been seeing this conversation happening more in my social circles but it is possible that is happening more.
I don't think most unmarried women are noticing men pulling back. The type of man who is pulling back is a man who was already sent to the rejection pile by most of the women in that geography. After a certain number of rejections, most men will pull out of the market and go MGTOW, only pay directly for sex, etc. I don't think the average woman misses the average MGTOW man because she had already rejected him. Rollo has said many times that the average woman isn't interested in the average man.
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No argument whatsoever. Any salesperson knows that the key to keeping their nerves steady and success is having lots of names to meet with, thereby reducing the concern greatly over a single outcome, and also that usually 2/10 of them will turn into a long term client further reinforcing the need for pipelines.. if the numbers fit in personality driven business dealings there is no reason that human dynamics wouldn’t carry over to dating.
