Courtney Ryan made a video about inexperienced men

[Manure Spherian]

The environment that most Boomers grew up in was a different environment that the upbringing for Generation X.

My parents were born in the early 1950s. Their formative years would have been the 1950s - 1960s.

The majority of Gen X'ers were the children born in the 2nd half of the 1960s and the first half of the 1970s. Late 1970s and 1980 births are classified as Gen X. There is that Xennial phrase for late 1970s/early 1980s births. Technically, that label would be applicable for me. I have never bought the Xennial label for myself as I have felt my experiences have been more of a true Gen Y/Millennial experience.

Boomers were raised with more stable family units, especially the first 2/3rds of that generation. Late Boomers (1959-1964 births) had a somewhat different experience as no fault divorce entered most USA states by the 1970s. Divorces skyrocketed in the 1970s and some late Boomers might have felt that during childhood. However, most of the earliest wave of divorcees had Generation X children. This is why Generation X children were called latchkey children.

The 1970s-1980s were a transitional era in the sexual marketplace. The Sexual Revolution that started in the 1960s was starting to become solidified during the 1970s-1980s era. Due to its transitional nature, the 1970s-1980s had some elements leftover from a past time but started us down the path where we've gotten today.

The latchkey kid environment that Generation X children faced affected their worldview. I don't think that transitional era during their formative years helped them either.

It was uncommon in Generation X for male incels to exist. The most well known Generation X incel/borderline incel was Neil Strauss. Strauss was born in 1969. He got a bachelor's degree from an Ivy League school and had a decent journalism job. These achievements in the 1990s were not getting Strauss laid. Strauss wasn't getting laid until he became a seduction student of fellow Gen X'er Mystery and other notable PUAs. Neil Strauss pre-Mystery and other PUAs was mostly incel due to his 5'6" height and premature balding.

By the time that Generation Y/Millennial male were reaching their teens and early 20s, the incidence of incels/borderline incels were becoming more common.

I also want to add, which bears repeating, this sort of unregulated market has it so that females are getting experience way earlier than the average young male. Feral women do not like womanless men. This creates a catch-22. I'm unsure if I would even advise a high school guy to screw considering he has no way to adequately provide for a family, but abstaining leads to unattractiveness. And if a man reaches his early 20's womanless his whole life so far, he might be screwed, blued, and tattooed.

Inceldom is a vicious circle. Social ostracism or alienation can lead to inceldom. Inceldom causes further social ostracism or alienation. A friend from my past once said, "the dumbest feeling is being a womanless man around other men with women". I remember that feeling all too well. Being some lone guy at a wedding, beach, party, or out and about where young people were (at a mall, say) was f-cking awful.

The above sentiment is why I am not against taking women from their boyfriends (I do not advise being involved with married women for serious reasons and that's a whole other story) if marriage is not on the table for them. I mean, in the above post, I explained a situation in which damn near every young female had a boyfriend. That means in order for a guy to get a girlfriend, he'd have to take one. I remember working at a part-time job at a clothing store while in college, and at the end of one night shift, several cars were lined up outside of the store in which there were boyfriends for damn near all my female co-workers. I doubt any married those guys.

 

[SW15]

A friend from my past once said, "the dumbest feeling is being a womanless man around other men with women". I remember that feeling all too well. Being some lone guy at a wedding, beach, party, or out and about where young people were (at a mall, say) was f-cking awful.

Yes, that happens. It's a common feeling for unattached men or marginally attached after age 30.

I have a good example. In my social circle, there was a wedding in 2017. There were slightly over 100 attendees at this wedding. Do you know how many unattached females between the ages of 21-39 attended this wedding? The answer to that question is 0.

I didn't attend this wedding but I know there were unattached males between 21-39 at it.

A lot of private residence parties become couples majority of couple only parties after age 30. I mentioned this phenomenon in the thread below.

Are Super Bowl Parties a Primarily Couples Event?

I wanted to see if other people have had similar experiences with Super Bowl parties as I have had in the past. I went to a great party for Super Bowl 48 in February 2014. Although that game was a stinker (Seahawks 43, Broncos 8), the party was great. In my social circle, it was all...

www.sosuave.net

I am not against taking women from their boyfriends

I'm not either. Most men should try to push back on the IHAB line if they ever hear it with "boyfriend destroyer lines".

 

[Manure Spherian]

Yes, that happens. It's a common feeling for unattached men or marginally attached after age 30.

I have a good example. In my social circle, there was a wedding in 2017. There were slightly over 100 attendees at this wedding. Do you know how many unattached females between the ages of 21-39 attended this wedding? The answer to that question is 0.

I didn't attend this wedding but I know there were unattached males between 21-39 at it.

I late concluded that unmarried couples, in many cases, were not headed for marriage and in many cases worthless. I suspect some women attend places with men for appearance and status, not because they are madly in love with boyfriends and headed to form families with them. What's your take on this?

 

[SW15]

I late concluded that unmarried couples, in many cases, were not headed for marriage and in many cases worthless.

It's true. My social circle has been somewhat of an exception to this. A lot of the relationships that got to 2 years resulted in marriage.

I suspect some women attend places with men for appearance and status, not because they are madly in love with boyfriends and headed to form families with them.

It depends on the event. In a lot of cases, what you're saying is accurate.

In that 2017 wedding I mentioned above, it was attended by a lot of couples that were already married, already engaged, or were in serious relationships. After that wedding happened, I heard that a woman in a longer term relationship gave her boyfriend an ultimatum for marriage at the reception.

 

[maturin]

There were plenty on incels back in the 80s.i was there. The same dynamics applied. Guys had to work and make a strong effort for it. A girl just stood their looking pretty making judgements. No real effort required. Same shyt. Your dad didn't help with dating bec all you'd get was BP platitudes from a boomer. Your lucky you got no advice.

Your right on point about the 70s transition. This is where the big turning point came. The men got everything wrong bec the power resided with the women. They missed this. Modern man the past couple of decades has grossly undervalued what he offers. Long term commitment. And what that entails. My advice is holdback on this and dont piss it away like most guys do. Our modern predecessors were a very confused, naive, and evenstupid group of guys who created a mess that you guys have figured out but are left dealing with and forced to clean up. The era of Monogamy brought a low end genetics to our species. The off spring are these simps and very low grade beta omega males. Letsbe thankful they won't breed. Future generations then by very definition must improve physically and mentally. Women by asserting choice are disproving everything our predecessors believed and made up. It all flies in the face of the religious love soulmate narrative invented by culture and religion and is far more in line with Natural selection.

Lastly your claim that men need relationships for sex. Yes and no. Not really. Most marriages are sexless. You need to distinguish dating and marriage. Men get the suck in modern marriage. It no longer works and younger guys are not picking up on this and the reasons fit it. Apples and oranges brother.

The environment that most Boomers grew up in was a different environment that the upbringing for Generation X.

My parents were born in the early 1950s. Their formative years would have been the 1950s - 1960s.

The majority of Gen X'ers were the children born in the 2nd half of the 1960s and the first half of the 1970s. Late 1970s and 1980 births are classified as Gen X. There is that Xennial phrase for late 1970s/early 1980s births. Technically, that label would be applicable for me. I have never bought the Xennial label for myself as I have felt my experiences have been more of a true Gen Y/Millennial experience.

Boomers were raised with more stable family units, especially the first 2/3rds of that generation. Late Boomers (1959-1964 births) had a somewhat different experience as no fault divorce entered most USA states by the 1970s. Divorces skyrocketed in the 1970s and some late Boomers might have felt that during childhood. However, most of the earliest wave of divorcees had Generation X children. This is why Generation X children were called latchkey children.

The 1970s-1980s were a transitional era in the sexual marketplace. The Sexual Revolution that started in the 1960s was starting to become solidified during the 1970s-1980s era. Due to its transitional nature, the 1970s-1980s had some elements leftover from a past time but started us down the path where we've gotten today.

The latchkey kid environment that Generation X children faced affected their worldview. I don't think that transitional era during their formative years helped them either.

It was uncommon in Generation X for male incels to exist. The most well known Generation X incel/borderline incel was Neil Strauss. Strauss was born in 1969. He got a bachelor's degree from an Ivy League school and had a decent journalism job. These achievements in the 1990s were not getting Strauss laid. Strauss wasn't getting laid until he became a seduction student of fellow Gen X'er Mystery and other notable PUAs. Neil Strauss pre-Mystery and other PUAs was mostly incel due to his 5'6" height and premature balding.

By the time that Generation Y/Millennial male were reaching their teens and early 20s, the incidence of incels/borderline incels were becoming more common.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Women by asserting choice are disproving everything our predecessors believed and made up. It all flies in the face of the religious love soulmate narrative invented by culture and religion and is far more in line with Natural selection.

This supposes women are eugenic breeders. They’ve proven they aren’t. What we have now actually is dysgenic breeding subsidized by slave labor (the state, ex husbands).

I know this is incongruent with a seduction website, but polygamy, especially unstructured polygamy is harmful to society, as we are witnessing.

What would be eugenic, but will not be done in the retarded USA, are certain social measures to pair up the brightest and beautiful early, as was proposed in the book The Case for Father Custody.

 

[SW15]

Your dad didn't help with dating bec all you'd get was BP platitudes from a boomer. Your lucky you got no advice.

My dad said some beta male stuff about his relationship with my mom. I think there's a good chance he would have given me Boomer blue pill platitudes.

Lastly your claim that men need relationships for sex. Yes and no. Not really. Most marriages are sexless. You need to distinguish dating and marriage. Men get the suck in modern marriage. It no longer works and younger guys are not picking up on this and the reasons fit it. Apples and oranges brother.

The typical male who isn't in a committed relationship isn't getting sex.

Men in unmarried committed relationships are often getting sex.

Married men get sex in the early years of the marriage. Marriages tend to turn sexless after the birth of the first child. The combination of parental responsibilities, workplace stress, and the passage of time are the biggest factors to why marriages often become sexless.

 

[CornbreadFed]

My dad said some beta male stuff about his relationship with my mom. I think there's a good chance he would have given me Boomer blue pill platitudes.



The typical male who isn't in a committed relationship isn't getting sex.

Men in unmarried committed relationships are often getting sex.

Married men get sex in the early years of the marriage. Marriages tend to turn sexless after the birth of the first child. The combination of parental responsibilities, workplace stress, and the passage of time are the biggest factors to why marriages often become sexless.

Would you rather be married and getting sex once a month at best, or single and struggling to get a first date?

 

[maturin]

Would you rather be married and getting sex once a month at best, or single and struggling to get a first date?

The latter because your commitment would far surpass the once per month outlay. When a girl flakes in dating, it's often a blessing. You have no obligations. Your free. That may sound empty now until you've been married and trapped. In marriage if she's flaking you are stuck. I can't tell you how many husband's wish their wives had flaked on them at the dating stage so the marriage never occurred. Look at all the men who say don't get married. Check John Griffin you tube.dude walking in woods with his dogs. Thecomments are pretty much the same. "Married one girl got another. She changed. I Got the I'm not happy speech. I got the ilybinilwy. I avoid coming home. She destroyed me emotionally. I'm ruined financially. She moved her new bf into my house"

He has a good vid on marriage v dating.

Do you young guys really want to be running red pill jujitsu, dread game, on a wife, after 10 hour days every fking week in the corporate meat grinder. 90% of these modern women are not long term partership material. They have too many bail out options with no real incentives to remain committed.

Understand precisely what it is. Not the hallmark or clergy man version. Then if you want to marry go ahead. Take your chances.

 

[BadBoy89]

She’s totally encourages her daughter to have a bf (and she does), but she doesn’t give a flying F that her son has always been dateless. His dating/social experience somehow doesn’t matter. It’s sad but not surprising.

That's easy.

Keep the son close and single so when the dad dies and she gets old, someone to take care of her. Seen it so many times.

 

[SW15]

Would you rather be married and getting sex once a month at best, or single and struggling to get a first date?

Monthly sex is better than no sex.

There's appeal in the freedom associated with being an unattached guy. However, being unattached and being invisible to women is not a good feeling.

The married men sex life of once monthly sex is a bad way to live as well. That man has a woeful existence and is likely fearful of getting screwed over in divorce court.

The unattached guy could go online and learn game, as well as read some physical books on seduction. His problems might be more fixable (if he's neurotypical and not ridiculously obese) than the married man.

 

[DJ Novice]

The price you pay for married s*x often far exceeds the value you derive from it in terms of quality and quantity after a period of time speaking as a former married guy. However you may derive value from a marriage in other ways such as having and raising children etc.

You might not have as much s*x in a month as a single guy but your independence and freedom (which you do not have when married) are often worth much more in value to some guys.

It depends what you value more which can change as you get older.

 

[SW15]

The price you pay for married s*x often far exceeds the value you derive from it in terms of quality and quantity after a period of time speaking as a former married guy. However you may derive value from a marriage in other ways such as having and raising children etc.

You might not have as much s*x in a month as a single guy but your independence and freedom (which you do not have when married) are often worth much more in value to some guys.

It depends what you value more which can change as you get older.

I think younger men value the sex more than they value the independence and freedom.

Somewhere between ages 40-50, men might start to value independence and freedom more.

Being an unmarried men with a girlfriend is a bit of a balance. Unmarried men with monogamous girlfriends have more sex. They retain some independence and freedom (if they aren't living with their girlfriends).

Most men that I have seen try to life a bachelor lifestyle of independence and freedom are failing at it. They might get a lot of freedom but they aren't having enough sex.

Independence and freedom without sex is not that good.

 

[Gamisch]

Monthly sex is better than no sex.

There's appeal in the freedom associated with being an unattached guy. However, being unattached and being invisible to women is not a good feeling.

The married men sex life of once monthly sex is a bad way to live as well. That man has a woeful existence and is likely fearful of getting screwed over in divorce court.

The unattached guy could go online and learn game, as well as read some physical books on seduction. His problems might be more fixable (if he's neurotypical and not ridiculously obese) than the married man.

Cmon now. Imagine laying next to a woman every damn day and only having sex 12 times per year...that's humiliating at best. What every day after you got your paycheck? She gonna hold track?

If you can leave that situation...better be gone.

The latter because your commitment would far surpass the once per month outlay. When a girl flakes in dating, it's often a blessing. You have no obligations. Your free. That may sound empty now until you've been married and trapped. In marriage if she's flaking you are stuck. I can't tell you how many husband's wish their wives had flaked on them at the dating stage so the marriage never occurred. Look at all the men who say don't get married. Check John Griffin you tube.dude walking in woods with his dogs. Thecomments are pretty much the same. "Married one girl got another. She changed. I Got the I'm not happy speech. I got the ilybinilwy. I avoid coming home. She destroyed me emotionally. I'm ruined financially. She moved her new bf into my house"

He has a good vid on marriage v dating.

Do you young guys really want to be running red pill jujitsu, dread game, on a wife, after 10 hour days every fking week in the corporate meat grinder. 90% of these modern women are not long term partership material. They have too many bail out options with no real incentives to remain committed.

Understand precisely what it is. Not the hallmark or clergy man version. Then if you want to marry go ahead. Take your chances.

I agree.

What we never talk about is that a lotta married men do this out of scarcity rather than from a position of absolute power and control. They've way too fast.

I like how you stated that a woman in a ltr can and will show the EXACT same annoying traits that a new woman on tinder. She flake gaslight lie ,get frustrated with you and be a pain in the ass you can't get rid of...and it will get worse before it gets better.

Most men that know that get married do it from very questionable positions ,think about foreign women, women they barley know, doing it because the woman wants it, going along with these crazy woman that say they wanna get married before _fill in age_ while they don't even have a boyfriend.

 

[SW15]

Cmon now. Imagine laying next to a woman every damn day and only having sex 12 times per year...that's humiliating at best. What every day after you got your paycheck? She gonna hold track?

If you can leave that situation...better be gone.

I could not tolerate that situation. I have retained my freedom by not living with any girlfriends and I haven't married them.

The majority of my male friends lived with their girlfriends prior to their marriages starting as well.

There has been research in recent years that shows married men in the 2010s-2020s are having less sex than married men in the 1970s-1980s.

I have had some married men tell me about their sex lives and I've not been impressed.

 

[The Duke]

I've always been the guy that could keep my freedom and independence in a relationship. I've also never gone with out sex inside a relationship. None of this has ever been a problem for me, but I do realize many men deal with these issues.

I think it has more to do with the man than it does the woman. The man directs the stage, she can act accordingly or find someone else to act for. I will be the one directing the show. Thats what a leader does.

I do see a lot of guys that talk tough to their buddies and turn into pussies around their women. Thats the biggest problem. You can't be a director in your relationship when you are playing the role of an actor.

You can't direct from a position of fear either. Never be a prisioner to your fears. Use your fears to set yourself free and have the inner confidence to put your freedom and independence first.

And lets not forget about maintaining high standards and boundaries.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I've always been the guy that could keep my freedom and independence in a relationship. I've also never gone with out sex inside a relationship. None of this has ever been a problem for me, but I do realize many men deal with these issues.

I think it has more to do with the man than it does the woman. The man directs the stage, she can act accordingly or find someone else to act for. I will be the one directing the show. Thats what a leader does.

I do see a lot of guys that talk tough to their buddies and turn into pussies around their women. Thats the biggest problem. You can't be a director in your relationship when you are playing the role of an actor.

You can't direct from a position of fear either. Never be a prisioner to your fears. Use your fears to set yourself free and have the inner confidence to put your freedom and independence first.

And lets not forget about maintaining high standards and boundaries.

I agree with this. Low sex marriages/relationships are just code for loss attraction for whatever reason. Men will marry a girl, become fat, lazy, and insufferable and be shocked that the sex goes down.

 

[jhonny9546]

And lets not forget about maintaining high standards and boundaries.

Right on this point about high standards. Nowadays, we have to deal with women who have daddy issues, but it's nobody's fault.

Most fathers are workers with careers and spend only a short amount of time with their children each day—maybe just one hour.

The kids go to school until 4 PM, then participate in sports, and afterward, they return to their grandparents, who prepare dinner and look after them until their parents come home from work.

Now, rinse and repeat.

This is the "weekend family" script.
You'll see those families spend time togheter in their weekends and traveling. That's it.

The girl will be cared for by her grandparents, and when she becomes a teenager, she may find herself in an empty house with a lot of free time..

Today, many women grow up in this environment, which is why they often face similar challenges.

I have a female friend, which grew up in this scheme, but she had the luck to love her grandmother and learn a bit from her. She still drawn to her biology/hypergamy, but you definetly see the clear difference btw her and her female friends.