Converting Girl Friends into 'Girlfriends' Painlessly

[SXS]

I can't think of an situations where I've made an advance and not been well-received by any of my female friends not currently in the throes of an exclusive relationship at the time...

Well, then you have to teach me stuff.

But honestly, I'm not 'needy' for sex, and I don't really recall ever having 'asked' for sex, I just put the suggestions out and waited to hear back.
As for having everything, who cares? I certainly have plenty

Wait how much ?

I am 27 now, and I am simply done with relationships with woman. I am in a relationship now, but I already can see it crumbling and burning from here... I havent watched your videos yet, but I still failed to see how it can get me results, or better results than the tradicional DJ stuff. I will try from now till I see some results, but I think not many girls will be interested.
I will get back to you when I see your videos and understand better your approach.

 

[francoatgrex]

This is quite childish as a post. Anything without at least empirical data (if not research data) should not be encouraged. It can be either misleading or possibly a waste of people's time. That said, it doesn't mean that the post doesn't contain any useful or correct elements, some are correct but hardly can it be considered as a "how-to" advice/guide.

 

[Johnny Soporno]

As for having everything, who cares? I certainly have plenty.

Wait how much ?

I am 27 now, and I am simply done with relationships with woman. I am in a relationship now, but I already can see it crumbling and burning from here... I haven't watched your videos yet, but I still failed to see how it can get me results, or better results than the traditional DJ stuff.

I am NOT a 'Don Juan', nor a Pick Up Artist - I am a lover of women, whom women love back. The Game I'm playing is The Game of Life and the most wonderful aspect of THIS Game is that in order for me to WIN, NOBODY ELSE must lose.

The things I'm sharing with all you folks, whether through my videos / audio programs or my postings, both here and all around the net, are intended to help you EMANCIPATE YOURSELVES - to RECONSIDER YOUR REALITY - and cast-away obsolete and self-destructive traditional paradigms; worthless BS we've ALL been raised to believe WITHOUT QUESTION, but which NEITHER MAKE SENSE, NOR SERVES TO MAKE US HAPPIER OR MORE SUCCESSFUL INDIVIDUALS.

As long as anyone persists in 'Playing the Game' according to other peoples' rules, THEY CAN NEVER WIN.

I will get back to you when I see your videos and understand better your approach.

Please do - and I'm HAPPY to clarify anything which you aren't comfortable with, so PLEASE take notes!

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

 

[Johnny Soporno]

Thread Hijacking in Progress:

This is quite childish as a post.

Yes, we appreciate your pointing it out immediately. What is curious to me is, since you KNOW that posting this was childish and without merit, WHY DID YOU BOTHER?

It seems to me like typing "This not a sentence because it no verb." - Cute, as an example of self-referential statements, but otherwise pointless.

With that said, let's return the thread to it's original purpose.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

 

[ready123]

this idea makes perfect sense to me. the guys who are questioning it are either taking it out of context or don't understand enough about female thinking to understand why it works

this is not macking. this is only something you can offer genuine female friends (meaning there's trust, connection, respect, nobody's trying to use the other). so the friendzone, where low value behavior emasculates you against your will, has nothing to do with this. if you're one of the guys who thinks men and women can't be friends, this will be so beyond your reality you won't understand. and if you're a guy that comes from the angle you need to use tricks to con the girl or outplay the girl into sleeping with you, you'll have a hard time with this

otherwise, from a conceptual standopint, why does it work?
- you're not being needy because you give her the choice
- she knows you're not manipulating her because there's no pressure
- you're letting her know you understand that she enjoys sex
- you're letting her know you won't judge her and aren't gonna run around telling everyone you laid her and ruin a friendship
- you're letting her know you're not gonna fall in love with her after, turn into a wierdo, and ruin a friendship
- you guys already have trust, which amplifies each of those things above

it cuts straight through all the noise and presents a nobody loses situation

 

[Johnny Soporno]

this idea makes perfect sense to me. the guys who are questioning it are either taking it out of context or don't understand enough about female thinking to understand why it works...
it cuts straight through all the noise and presents a nobody loses situation

Precisely

Thanks for speaking up!

Johnny Soporno
www.AttractPornstars.com

 

[2.0]

Sorry, Deuce...

This isn't a method for converting a girl friend into YOUR GIRLFRIEND per se, although that is potentially a possibility later on, if you both determine you'd be better-off as a couple than as simply close-friends who sleep together occasionally.



Thanks



Please go back over the OP a couple of times - I cover both your questions pretty well in the original post, I believe?

Whenever you feel your relationship ON A FRIENDLY BASIS is secure and genuine ENOUGH, you may simply begin expressing how you view things (as I have laid out here) and then LEAVE IT WITH HER!!

Odds are VERY GOOD that she'll take you up on it, IF SHE TRULY BELIEVES YOU ARE AUTHENTIC, AND THAT YOU MEAN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

Good luck with this!

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

But I'm still confused about:
1) When/where to bring this up, and what to open with (I mean I can't just say that "fck you over" line right out of nowhere.
2) What generally happens if she does indeed say no way... does it make things awkward that she turned you down or can you still continue being friends?

 

[2.0]

The only time such a discussion would be necessary is in those cases where it is better off not to become lovers. For instance my doctor is female, is part of my social circle, and there is a great deal of sexual tension between us. However I very much value her as my doctor. We’ve had discussions and have agreed to not to let anything happen between us. I have a simular agreement with my brother’s wife.

What on earth is wrong with you!? That's horrible!

 

[Johnny Soporno]

But I'm still confused about:
1) When/where to bring this up, and what to open with (I mean I can't just say that "fck you over" line right out of nowhere.)

It doesn't really need any preamble, once you're actively in a conversation - but for context, it helps if you're either discussing relationships or sex/sexuality...

When you are enjoying the company of YOUR FRIEND (who happens to be a desirable women) you might try busting out the 'Seductive Reasoning' paradigm, expressing how society cons both men and women into treating women as 'second-class citizens', and prohibits them from acting with their own interests in mind (as I detail in the videos in this thread: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=153556)

2) What generally happens if she does indeed say no way... does it make things awkward that she turned you down or can you still continue being friends?

You keep missing the ESSENCE of this!?

YOU AREN'T ASKING ANYTHING OF HER!
You're OFFERING HER SOMETHING!

Nothing will change AT ALL, so long as YOU ARE NOT EMOTIONALLY INVESTED! You must not BE NEEDY; and you must not be trying to "GET HER" - you are simply letting her know you're cool with this idea, and IF SHE WANTS, there's NO RISK.

I hope that makes it clearer!

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

 

[Jitterbug]

I've spent some time pondering on this idea, field-tested it and I'm now a believer.

 

[Maxtro]

Wow

Too bad I don't have any chick friends and this information isn't that useful to me.

Whats the difference between wanting to have sex with your chick friends and wanting to be their boyfriend?

LOL a little bit more than a year later and I can see how stupid I was.

Anyways I have a close friend that I'd love to do but I'd never date her. She's not my type and I doubt I'm hers. There is a deep level of trust between us and she has told me some things she has done with other girls. She's Bi but actually a virgin. Every week or so we go on a "date" and just hang out.

The problem I'm having is that I don't know how to bring up the topic of sex in our conversations. Somehow the conversation where she exposed everything was almost magic. It all started from her looking at a poster on my wall of a couple making out on the beach and then it lead to her telling me how her and her ex GF had sex. We haven't had a deep conversation like that in a couple of months.

I've got several ideas of things to talk about but I don't know how to lead into them.

 

[son]

I've been lurking for a few days, saw this thread and decided to give my 2 cents....


Last winter, right after Christmas, I managed to hook up with a girl who I had been friends with for about 5 years. Years before we hooked up I told her I liked her and whatnot, but it obviously didn't work and it was definitely AFC on my part... I could literally go on for hours about all the details and things that occurred leading up to it over the years, but I'll add what I believe were the key factors.


1. She knew I was sexually attracted to her. All girls are different so I would imagine each one would require a little different approach to letting her know this. I didn't want to create any awkwardness between us so I made sure to keep it somewhat subliminal, not enough to destroy the friendship if she wasn't interested, but enough to make the thought cross her mind more than once.

2. Others have said this and I believe it to be quite important - she MUST be comfortable alone with you. Before we hooked up maybe 4 or 5 times we went to her house and watched movies in her room, alone, in the dark, on her bed. Every now and then one of her female friends would join us, and I made sure to make them laugh and have a good time. Having her friends comfortable with you can't hurt.

3. Appearance. I'm no supermodel, but I made sure to dress sexy, shave clean, cologne etc the last few times before we hooked up. Movies in the bedroom aren't exactly a social gathering, so that adds to letting her know you're plans because in her mind there's a good chance shes probably thinking you got all done up for her. I never told her i did however, I wanted to keep the curiosity going.

4. Persistence. After you've succeeded in letting her know you want to fvck, and she still wants to hangout, by all means hang out with her. Chances are its because she has caught on and wants to fvck as well. This may not be true in all cases but in mine it was.

5. Don't over-talk her. I'm sure there are better words for this but if you start hitting her up more and more and answering texts/calls the second you get them she might think you're starting to actually have feelings other than sexual ones. Be friendly, but don't be "nice".

6. You gotta make a move when the times right. I didn't just straight up say, "lets ****", I built up to the moment over time. The night we hooked up, we were both laying on her bed watching a movie after some hot chocolate at duncan. She got up to go to the bathroom and I slid over towards her side of the bed a little bit, and put the covers over my feet. When she returned she got back under the covers, then I sort of nudged her foot with mine, I forget what i said but reallllly slowly i started rubbing her toes with mine. I left it at that, leaving her to make the next move. Within minutes she just straight up took her shirt off, then her bra, and I went to town.


I know this isn't worthy of a sticky or anything, but I figured i would add my experience and what worked for me as a means of advice for others, because it is definitely possible to hook up with friends of the opposite sex.

 

[R19]

I am never dishonest with anyone. I am COMPLETELY CLEAR up front about my nature (Hell, check out my myspace page! http://www.Myspace.com/JohnnySoporno) even with girls whom I know I will not be pursuing, such as I described above

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

Wait a minute, you have got to be fvcking kidding me. As advised, checking your MySpace. Are you joking????????? It must be really hard to convince those involved in the adult entertainment industry to buy into your concept. Complete 'free for all' must be par for the course and you come on here preaching how to shoot double bogey. Thanks!!!!

It's all about the circles you play in... and, um reality. 'Man, I went to this party and all the girls were like 10's!!! Yep, every single one of 'em. And I got 32 numbers.' lofl. I am going to review some other threads were I can here the guy share his experience about dealing and working a 9, that's really a 5, but it should be such a worthwhile insight for everybody!!!!

 

[Johnny Soporno]

Wait a minute, you have got to be fvcking kidding me. As advised, checking your MySpace. Are you joking?????????

What about? There's a lot of humor in my page, but overwhelmingly the message is clear: I'm a sexual creature, I'm not in the market for anything exclusive, and I expect my playmates to accept and appreciate this.

It must be really hard to convince those involved in the adult entertainment industry to buy into your concept.

Actually, quite the reverse! I've received 100% buy-in from EVERY woman I've conversed with about 'Seductive Reasoning', and they have helped me propagate it actively!

Complete 'free for all' must be par for the course and you come on here preaching how to shoot double bogey. Thanks!!!!

I don't know what that means, and I'm not sure if you're thanking me or if that's sarcasm? I don't think you and I are talking about the same things?

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

 

[R19]

Actually, quite the reverse! I've received 100% buy-in from EVERY woman I've conversed with about 'Seductive Reasoning', and they have helped me propagate it actively!
Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

I am being totally sarcastic...

What it means is that you are immersed in a highly promiscuous culture. They probably think your friends with benefits concept is 'cute' and are doing sh1t a lot crazier all over the place nonstop. Your experience is off the charts skewed because of the 'sample set' that you are working with. Most guys are not mixing in the same circles, so the relevance?

Like I said, it's like spending 10 minutes reading a guys rant about how he worked a 9 that is really is a 5 and he has a screwed head about looks. To me that has little value because the same weak sh1t that works so easily on a non-alpha, non-player, 'low value' chick who is less attractive would be straight up b1tch deflected, laughed at, and scoffed at by a smoking hot girl who gets hit on way more.

Let's say I am a producer in the porn industry and I attend Adult Entertainment Expo (AEE) in Vegas and I start goin' off about what I hit when I was there. The point???? Is any 'technique' I am using or think I am using really relevant to bumping into a drop dead looker in a daytime scene or at some pretentious bar/club that is not in industry?

 

[Alexander the Great]

Mr. Soporno, after reading this thread and seeing some of your Seductive Reasoning streams, I just want to say this:


You sir, you GET IT.


You understand the essence of men and women as they are without cultural conditioning, religion and whatnot in terms of artificial, controlling and imposed rules.

Thank you for sharing yourself on this site and being a prophet (without the mindless adoration, mind you ).

Prosperity to you.

 

[kingman]

What if your friend wants you to be your boyfriend? but she are to shy to telling it directly ?

And I only want her as a f u c k friend with no complications ? And I don`t want to ruin our friendship.

 

[Johnny Soporno]

What if your friend wants you to be her boyfriend? But she is too shy to tell you directly ?

And I only want her as a f u c k friend, with no complications? And I don`t want to ruin our friendship.

In THAT case, SHE needs to read the OP, and take it to heart.

If she DOES want to be 'your girlfriend', most-likely the reason she hasn't pursued it is because she can sense that YOU don't want that; and she isn't yet comfortable with the notion that true friends can ALSO be sexual playmates, without its being destructive to the friendship.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

 

[Johnny Soporno]

I haven't watched your videos yet, but I still failed to see how it can get me results, or better results than the traditional DJ stuff. I will get back to you when I see your videos and understand better your approach.

SXS, have you seen my vids yet?

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

 

[Maxtro]

Johnny you ignored my post

Anyways there is an error on your page.

Introduction to Seductive Reasoning 101: Part 5 and and part 6 from the Canada source both incorrectly link to a file ending in .mp4

In other words http://www.johnnysoporno.com/Archive/SeductiveReasoning101-part5.mp4 should actually be ]http://www.johnnysoporno.com/Archive/SeductiveReasoning101-part5.wmv

Same with part 6. Clicking on the link now gives an error