Converting Girl Friends into 'Girlfriends' Painlessly

[john paul]

As a high schooler I have some ligit female friends that this would work flawlessly on.

I accually did it once but its hard to discribe how I got my message across it when something like this,


We were talking in class and the conversation came to sex. She started to complain that she had not ****ed since she had broken up with her boyfriend and I turn to her and with a big smile that let her know Im just putting it out there but still serious about it, I said her if it ever gets to be too long for her to handle to just give me a call. She laughed but didnt break eye contact with me.


and a couple days later she started talking about hanging out at her house sometime but then I got seriouos with another girl and i said i couldnt anymore, but from what I saw it looked promising.

I liked the post but its hard to grasp for some people who don't have girl friends that fit this.

 

[DoctorLW]

I prefer to have male friends. I have nothing in common with the majority of girls. What the hell am I gonna do with girl friends? Talk to them about shopping, whatevers going on in Hollywood, or all that other crap? Honestly, I can't see why any guy would want to be friends (to the extent that is required to use this tip) with a girl. Obviously, keeping in contact with girls so you can use their social circles etc is not the same thing.

But... everyone is different so to each their own.

 

[Playboy]

Alright Johnny.

I get it now.

It's not used to escape the friend zone.

It's used to potentially enhance the friend zone as an alternative to potentially creeping her out by trying to run game on her.

I also found your take on emotional and logical reasoning to be very interesting and all along have always felt that way. As your aware however Mystery and David Deangelo along with a few of their followers have totally eaten up the theory that you can take a woman totally over by appealing to her emotions and at times seem to totally disacknowledge or give any pull at all to their logical reasoning what-so-ever.

They even label the logical objections that come up as a result of having very little respect for their logical reasonings as "sh-it tests" as a way to further label everything they do as subconscious, primal, and emotional. So it's nice to know that I am not the only one mildly skeptical of this blind spot that is widely held in the community by certain proponents.

I would be interested to get your take on sh-it tests Johnny, because it is common theory that they result from a woman testing emotionally for your strength, while I think there are certainly situations where women do this, I think that many times, any time a woman puts up any type of resistance or acts counterproductively the guy says to himself "sh-it test" when in actuality it is because his approach gives no consideration what so ever for a womans logical reasoning and logical comfort levels.

Of course the arguement against this -- which also seems credible is that whether or not it is their logic or comfort level, to give it any logical attention -- only worsens the problem down the road.

 

[potato]

Not so - EVERYTHING ONE NEEDS TO KNOW is already written there, plain as day.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

You are not really giving anything but a rough summary that never shows the exact process. If you are saying this is how you turn a girl friend into a girlfriend than you have shown nothing. Simply telling her that it would be okay for her to have sex with you, no strings attached, would perhaps lead to sex but just as likely, not.

Telling her anything, as you’ve listed in this entire thread, is not, in and of itself, what makes her decide to sleep with you or not. It is as if you are saying do this and you might get lucky. You’re not giving anyone any advice that is of any real use.

It is just like your “Stripper Fu”. You tell some girl that you are there and she can come and get you. Yet you provide no explanation as to why she would come back to you.

You say, “that you're not what they envision when they imagine their ideal man … doesn't see you as someone she would consider as 'her Boyfriend'” and “..she doesn't need to 'count' in her total number of partners - she isn't going to talk about you to her mom, she's not going to write about you in her diary...” Isn’t this bottom feeder behavior?

I’m just saying that there is an obvious disconnect form what you say and the results you claim. Women, just like men, tend to go where something lures them. Just telling her than it is okay for her to have sex with you is not a lure.

 

[DonJuan11]

I prefer to have male friends. I have nothing in common with the majority of girls. What the hell am I gonna do with girl friends? Talk to them about shopping, whatevers going on in Hollywood, or all that other crap? Honestly, I can't see why any guy would want to be friends (to the extent that is required to use this tip) with a girl. Obviously, keeping in contact with girls so you can use their social circles etc is not the same thing.

Amen brother.

 

[Playboy]

Amen brother.

I think Johnny made it clear that this is not a strategy as an alternative to getting girlfriends or girls into bed. It's something to do with the girls that are friends that you already have, just something to throw out there with girls that you have a friendship type connection with.

I use to have a lot of girls that were just friends. Some of them had the hots for me or at least entertained the idea at times, others didn't. One thing friends that are girls will do is make great pivots, great blind date hookups, great introduce you to other girl hookups, great style advice, great game advice. It's actually very beneficial. If all you have is a bunch of guy friends your only getting one perspective and if you look at this forum and others like it ... thats not always a good thing.

 

[comic_relief]

I prefer to have male friends. I have nothing in common with the majority of girls. What the hell am I gonna do with girl friends? Talk to them about shopping, whatevers going on in Hollywood, or all that other crap? Honestly, I can't see why any guy would want to be friends (to the extent that is required to use this tip) with a girl. Obviously, keeping in contact with girls so you can use their social circles etc is not the same thing.

But... everyone is different so to each their own.

haha, disagree with you. I have an equal amount of male and female friends. First off, If I want to go out to a club and dance, I will always have someone to go dance with. Secondly, most of my girls are tomboys that are wanting to go out offroading in the jeeps or sit down and drink straight tequilla.

My guy friends, I play video games with them and jam out to rock, punk, and rap. Female friends, I jam out to country and pop with them.

Most of the girls that I hang out with hate Hollywood and if we go shopping, we go to spencers, pornshops, or somewhere else that is hilarious.

comic_relief

 

[WesCottII]

I'm at a loss here.

I might be completley dumbing this down, and sorry if I am, but she's put you in the FZ because you're not sexual to her right? I can't see how me just saying I'd f*ck her, would move me to an option in her eyes.

What I'm seeing from this, (and again, may be wrong), is you wait for her to become so sex starved and optionless, and then move in? Basically she's got no other viable alternatives.

 

[The Deacon]

Don't overcomplicate what Johnny Soporno is saying. This is just a basic guide on how to be friends-with-benefits. He's got the right idea.

 

[Johnny Soporno]

I'm at a loss here.

I might be completley dumbing this down, and sorry if I am, but she's put you in the FZ because you're not sexual to her right? I can't see how me just saying I'd f*ck her, would move me to an option in her eyes.

Perhaps she's put you into the 'friends' category, or perhaps the situation has done, but regardless, she's your friend now, and you're HER friend now -
So by offering her the option of having 'just-friends' sex, without the overhead of a 'Relationship' or even the question of public approval (since you two already hang-out and do whatever together anyway) then she may TRULY appreciate the opportunity you're presenting her - since SO FEW MEN are able to have playful, non-exclusive relationship with girls, without their EGOS and possessive-streaks fcuking things up.

What I'm seeing from this, (and again, may be wrong), is you wait for her to become so sex starved and optionless, and then move in? Basically she's got no other viable alternatives.

Not so - she may just not have found anyone she'd like publicly to display as her 'Boyfriend' - and therefore postures that she's living in celibacy (while having the occasional "It didn't count" encounter when the mood strikes with someone she KNOWS is not 'Boyfriend' material) rather than enjoying an ongoing, light-weight, playful sexual-friendship with you.

I sleep with basically all my female friends, when the mood strikes us. It's very casual, and very non-invasive. I've also had numerous threesomes with the vast majority of them.

This works

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

 

[Maxtro]

I sleep with basically all my female friends, when the mood strikes us. It's very casual, and very non-invasive. I've also had numerous threesomes with the vast majority of them.

Wow

Too bad I don't have any chick friends and this information isn't that useful to me.

Whats the difference between wanting to have sex with your chick friends and wanting to be their boyfriend?

 

[john paul]

Wow

Too bad I don't have any chick friends and this information isn't that useful to me.

Whats the difference between wanting to have sex with your chick friends and wanting to be their boyfriend?

Are you kidding?

What kind of guy wants to be a girl's boyfriend when he can instead f*ck her and still date other girls?


-this advice isnt going to make sense if you dont have girl friends who fit this.

 

[Dongfu]

I've gone about it the complete opposite way. I have many female friends, all of which started out as sexual relations. I am good at getting girls into bed, and then becoming good friends afterward.

These women introduce me to new women because,

1. They know I am good in bed.
2. They know I am cool and will remain as a friend and not fvck them over.
3. They are not jealous of other women around me because I have helped them to get over me.

I dont have any female friends who I haven't had sex with, that I would like to. If they were an interest at all, I would have pursued it in the beginning. And honestly, it would take a certain kind of girl to fit into Johnny's plan here. Maybe if you have a lot of stripper friends, this idea is more realistic.

In the real world, this may not be so applicable. I get the feeling that Johnny doesn't really live in the same reality as most of us. He has positioned himself to be around a lot of women who fit his philosophy and approach.

That is the real lesson for me in his posts. Rather than try to do what Johnny does, find a way to create your own reality that fits you, and grants you access to f-ing a lot of women, if that's what you want.

What Johnny does works for Johnny. WHat mystery does works for him. What I do works for me. Find what works for you.

 

[Maxtro]

In the real world, this may not be so applicable. I get the feeling that Johnny doesn't really live in the same reality as most of us.

LOL. Dongfu I could say the same for you. Your reality is different from most of the people on this board. Not that I'm saying it's bad or anything or that I don't want it.

I personally like Dongfu's method over Johnny's. It seems more plausible in theory. Now I'm not doubting that Dongfu or Johnny aren't doing what they say they are but to people who aren't living that life, it's not their reality. Which is sad.

 

[Dongfu]

LOL. Dongfu I could say the same for you. Your reality is different from most of the people on this board. Not that I'm saying it's bad or anything or that I don't want it.

I personally like Dongfu's method over Johnny's. It seems more plausible in theory. Now I'm not doubting that Dongfu or Johnny aren't doing what they say they are but to people who aren't living that life, it's not their reality. Which is sad.

Good observation. Here is the truth as simple as it gets

Everyone is navigating in a maze. The exit is where all the women are. It is where inner game and mastery await. All these books and theories and advice from forums like this can point you to the next turn at best. They will not get you out of the maze. You will learn stuff here and there, but ultimately YOU have to do the work yourself. You have to make a lot of wrong turns and hit a lot of dead ends, and hopefully learn along the way.

If you keep heading down the same dead end path (using techniques that dont work or fit you) expecting a different result, it is insanity.

The truth is is that taking advice from anyone may help you get out of the maze a little quicker, or it might just send you down another dead end path.
So beware relying on other people.

I see posts in here where guys say, "I have found something that works for me, what do you guys think?" And everyone posts back making fun of the guy, or calling him AFC, because his technique doesn't fit the DJ mold. Not everything I do fits the DJ standard, but it works. I get laid, easily meet women, have friends and am happy. So I dont really care if anyone validates what I do. That is liberating in itself, and is actually a step closer to being a DJ as I see it.

 

[BlackJackal]

Thread is a little confusing but I agree with most of it EXCEPT the part that says women love sex. That's a joke and a half.

lol....yea keep tellin yourself that.

 

[MooseGod]

Secondly, most of my girls are tomboys that are wanting to go out offroading in the jeeps or sit down and drink straight tequilla.

comic_relief

Hey man, send some of those tequila drinkin' jeep girls my way :wave:

Back to topic...I'm not sure if it has been said already, but there should be a disclaimer in this thread that it mainly works on more mature girls...you fellas in high school might have a tougher time (and even college freshmen/sophomores) with this as a lot of the girls around that age still think they're going to fall in love like in a Disney movie. Usually chicks who have had at least couple of failed relationships are more down for this kind of arrangement...

 

[Johnny Soporno]

Hey man, send some of those tequila drinkin' jeep girls my way :wave:

Back to topic...I'm not sure if it has been said already, but there should be a disclaimer in this thread that it mainly works on more mature girls...

Ironically, all reports (I must have receive 500+ emails positively proving this model, and thanking me for it, since I initially published this 18 months ago on TMM forum) indicate it actually works BEST on women <24 and >30 years.

That area in the middle, 25-29, is when girls seem to decide "It's time to take life seriously, and find the Right Man" - but on either side of it, it's fair ball.

Johnny Soporno
Lifestyle Guru

 

[Johnny Soporno]

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[MascaraSnake]

just a question for you, man...

It's one thing if YOU'RE comfy with the FWB thing, but what if she ends up falling for YOU? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy...ever happened to you?