Can't you just lie to girls?

[mrRuckus]

Yeah, but you'd have to be a liar and a cheat in order to pull that off. Also it's hypocritical for you to be sleeping around with mutliple woman if you have a problem with the same women sleeping around with multiple guys.

How so?

I'm not allowed to establish rules in my life? These women have choices. If she has a problem with being celibate except for with me, she is more than welcome to go elsewhere.

Double standards have a negative connotation for no real good reason, by the way. What is WRONG with double standards? You're buying into the feminist myth that we're all the same. Men are women are different and therefore the standards are different.

I don't expect my dog to be as polite as my girlfriend. My dog is different and shouldn't have the same expectations.

My guy friends can swear all they want. My girlfriend cannot. My girlfriend can wear fruity perfume. My guy friends cannot. I'm not allowed to cry in public, but it's perfectly okay for a woman at any time. Wah!! No fair!!

I posit the question that how would women be equal anyway? Take your average man and take your average woman. The man is much stronger. What does the female have that equalizes the benefit of strength? She is not smarter. She is not faster. She is inherently LESS FIT for life than a man. The only benefits she has is what society gives to her. And what do we really mean by society? Men. Men out of the kindness of our hearts give them their freedoms and rights. They aren't raped on a whim on a regular basis because men decided that in general we wouldn't let them be. Aren't we nice? And how are we thanked? That's right. We're not. We're villified.

Just because she's unequal doesn't mean i still can't love her either. I love my dog. Here let me give you an diagram of things you can love but in a proper order.

Yourself
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Your horse
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Your wom[ae]n
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Your dog


See? How can i possibly not lie to women when they falsely believe they are equal? How many men actually believe women are their equal anyway? I'm guessing few really truly believe it. We go along with it because it makes them feel good. They will hate me based on something that is the equivalent of "i don't like him because he knows physics formulas." Well excuuuuse me for being rational.

That's why they have adult sites. Virgins women use adult sites too. Even normal woman use adult sites....whatever. If you want to express yourself in a crude sexual way, that is what they are there for. If you are worried about posting a picture of yourself on an adult site, or on any dating site for that matter, then I think you have issues.

Express myself? What? Why do i need to express myself? I'm not a goth kid in high school or a kindergartener who needs gold stars for his self esteem.

Sex is just fvcking, not a goddamn art show.

I'm not the one with issues on an adult site. It's the rest of society. How good is it gonna look if your boss sees your sh1t eatin' grin on a site trolling for sex?

You know damn well a teacher or politician or whoever would get raked over the coals if he was found on a site like that.

How can you look in the mirror, knowing that you are a liar and a cheat that's manipulating 4 women, if that is what your goal is?

Because I'm good looking and go to the gym and take good care of my teeth.

And like i already said, they're all lying right back to me.

You've never had a girlfriend or anything, but when you do sit near her when she's on the phone with her mom.

They lie so casually like it's nothing. They lie about the dumbest stuff that doesn't even matter too. Just imagine the number of things she's lying to you about if she can lie with such impunity to her own mother about TRIVIAL things. It's second nature to them.

Why not have an honest goal of having MLTR (Multiple Long Term Relationships) where each of your partners know you are dating someone else. You just have to be honest about it -- then you are not lying or cheating.

Whoever said the goal was to hide these women from each other? I never even said i'd have 4 women at once; i said that's a goal if society allowed for it, but it doesn't without vast inconvenience. But you can't even ADMIT that these days because then you're an immature dog because you admit to having the feelings of many, many, many men. Men want to fvck lots of women. Countless men would love to be in the situation they were allowed to sex all the women they wanted on a regular basis... but to admit that? Pfffft... not really allowed.

Want my proof? You're doing it now. Shaming me. You said "crude sexual way." Since when is talking about sex automatically crude? Millions of women have one night stands every night so they can't really be objecting to being approached sexually all that much.

I don't know what specific ads you are talking about, but there are false advertising laws. You should contact your local Consumer Bureau if you have a complaint, or sue the company if their product is defective.

Oh come on. Every single product lies. They get around laws by being vague. They promise you'll be more attractive to women and everything under the sun. You'll be the "cool" guy or you'll be shunned by the in crowd if you don't have one of "these" things too. Yeah like anyone gives a sh1t what soft drink i happen to carry with me. They sell cars showing that you'll get women. Axe body spray or hot bod or whatever the hell they highly insinuate women won't be able to resist you. LIES.

You have your own stupid thread in the health section about human pheromones. You've bought into that bullsh1t marketing. Human pheromones may not even exist and you are wanting to give them an experiment to try on women. You might as well be testing to see if unicorns help get you chicks. Hint: I bet they do.

It depends on what level you want to sink to. You don't seem to be looking up to marketing companies with much admiration. Are you better than these marketing companies you are berating -- or do you wish to sink to their same level? Or, do you think it's right that these companies are lying and by leading a shining example of how you intend to lie to women?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If everyone else lies, why would i handicap myself and not partake? Should i be one of those holy crusaders like batman and spiderman who never kill actual MURDERERS only so that the next comic book these guys can escape to kill again? Sorry, but Batman had the chance to clean up the streets for real rather than for 2 weeks and he blew it. He should be ashamed for any subsequent deaths he could've prevented by being extra goody two shoes and sticking to a silly moral code that doesn't work in the real world.

Right, but from what I understand, AFC's lie to women all the time about wanting a relationship when all they really want is sex. A DJ shouldn't be in that mentality, or even have that problem because you should already have that type of lifestyle that will naturally attract women without having to lie.

AFC? DJ? What?

I'm just a dude living my life. If you want some web page telling you what to do go right on ahead and be limited by artificial rules rather than adapting to what your life is. This webpage is just guidelines.

The difference with an AFC is that their lure is foul. Women have to actually want a relationship with you for it to be a good lure. AFCs are dangling a sickly looking carrot.

My lifestyle doesn't expose me to women. My hobbies don't involve women. I don't want my hobbies to involve women. Women ruin hobbies. The women i work with are in their 40s.

If i want to meet women, i have to go out of my way out of what i normally do to meet them. They aren't walking down the aisles of the grocery store naturally being sucked in by my masculine aura. Not where I live.

How come most of you act like big cities teeming with millions of women are the only places in the world?

Life is about survival. I do what it takes to survive. If the ratio is 2:1 men to women and most of the women have babies or are ugly, if a few lies are the difference between sex with 7s, 8s, and 9s and being celibate, who am I to quibble?

And i reiterate, women lie to us. Lie lie lie. Don't ever look in your gf's email. You will regret it.

There are all these tactics to get women. What makes them more valid than lying? Gaggles of men all learned to be ****y and funny with Deangelo and all those other dating gurus saying it's so great, even if they AREN'T ****y or funny naturally. It's just another form of manipulation. Look at me faking to be smooth! There are even courses in body language. So people fake their body language to convey something other than what they really feel.

Why can't I both be naturally attractive AND lie? I don't go to the construction site with only my screwdriver. I bring my hammer too.

You act like we're talking about respectable women here. No we're talking about women who routinely treat guys like garbage and half the time it doesn't even OCCUR to them that it's wrong. Women who go around town dressed like h0rs with their breasts barely covered. Women who swear like sailors. If they'd act like ladies maybe they'd deserve to be treated like them. RIP PRL&LMS.

My first line in this thread I said I wouldn't lie to get a relationship. Well, not more than anyone else and nothing big. Just enough to get in the door. I'd lie to get sex from the girls i don't want a relationship with easily. They'd get used as the objects they present themselves as.

I've never cheated on anyone either. Ever.

 

[mrRuckus]

I usually keep them guessing what my intentions are until they ask me directly.

Which is basically lying and manipulation.

It's like waiting until you have the girl hooked until you tell her you're an alcoholic. You purposely withheld that information knowing she'd run away from the start, but once she's emotionally invested she'll be far more willing to deal with it. You knew this all along.

Everyone does this sort of thing. ALL THE TIME.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Take a look at my business card thread for example. Your comments were just negative and you didn't offer anything constructive.

We unanimously told you its a bad idea.

If you want to dig up a mental fantasy written on some thread that's designed to help members fight a mastubation problem and bring it up here to prove that I'm a troll then you really need to get a life if you are so interested in what's going on my head when I slip up and masturbate that you have to post about it here.

This is unbelievable. Why don't you dig up stuff on "real" threads rather than "virtual" threads if you are so good.

Not only do you admit it was a lie, but now you're telling me that your threads that fall under two categories; 'real' and 'complete bullsh*t'. How many of your threads did you 'accidentally' forget to label as fantasy, and reality?



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Which is basically lying and manipulation.

It's like waiting until you have the girl hooked until you tell her you're an alcoholic. You purposely withheld that information knowing she'd run away from the start, but once she's emotionally invested she'll be far more willing to deal with it. You knew this all along.

Everyone does this sort of thing. ALL THE TIME.

Manipulative yes, but not a lie. I could have simply 'forgotten' to share this.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

We unanimously told you its a bad idea.

Right, let me pull up the thread.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=153605

Nothing like REAL evidence to back up your nonsence. People are either neutral or they back up the idea. You end up trolling the thread by putting toxic stuff on there, because that's all you can do.

Not only do you admit it was a lie, but now you're telling me that your threads that fall under two categories; 'real' and 'complete bullsh*t'. How many of your threads did you 'accidentally' forget to label as fantasy, and reality?

This is exactly the reason why I can't take you seriously to respond to anything. Here is the masturbation thread that's old which Brazillianguy originally posted back in 2002 and has been on the archive section, and that many other people are on here trying to make a resolve to stop masturbating. I just recently joined that thread because I too want to stop masturbating.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20053

You are taking a very dangerous position if you intend to go into that type of self-help thread and start using that as a basis to make attacks on people by bringing up stuff that people are posting on there while trying to stop a masturbation problem.

Why not bring up porn fantasies written by Poonani_maker, or start making fun of people who are masturbating on that thread too now and that are trying to stop? This is what you love doing with your time.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

You have your own stupid thread in the health section about human pheromones. You've bought into that bullsh1t marketing. Human pheromones may not even exist and you are wanting to give them an experiment to try on women. You might as well be testing to see if unicorns help get you chicks. Hint: I bet they do.

I have not bought any pheromones, as based on that thread, but if I did, they have a 200% money-back guarantee and will pay double what you invest on it if it doesn't work. Like I said, I look at the bottom line LOUDER than anything else that is said.

I tried an e-book, "How to make women laugh", didn't work, asked for a refund, guess what -- I got a refund credited back to my account. I tried net2bed-net2wed, didn't work, asked for a refund, guess what -- I got a refund.
I tried lookbetteronline and got a refund there too. I didn't get scammed by any dating product.

Okay, I may have bought a bottle of pheromones for $ 10, but in all honesty, it's still sitting in the basement and I've never tried it.

How come most of you act like big cities teeming with millions of women are the only places in the world?

Life is about survival. I do what it takes to survive. If the ratio is 2:1 men to women and most of the women have babies or are ugly, if a few lies are the difference between sex with 7s, 8s, and 9s and being celibate, who am I to quibble?

I don't think dbot lies with his style of approaches and yet he pulls tail by being direct, honest and upfront.

That is why he is listed on one my threads as an inspirational poster. Ultimately, lying is just a lack of faith.

Indulge us, what do you usually lie about anyway that is going to make a difference? Are you merely pandering to the carnal selfish nature of women with words by telling them what they would likely want to hear to trigger a reaction? Doesn't that feel like a sell-out? You are conforming to their sick mind-set rather than challenging it?

There are all these tactics to get women. What makes them more valid than lying? Gaggles of men all learned to be ****y and funny with Deangelo and all those other dating gurus saying it's so great, even if they AREN'T ****y or funny naturally. It's just another form of manipulation. Look at me faking to be smooth! There are even courses in body language. So people fake their body language to convey something other than what they really feel.

That's not lying, that's self-improvement. Do not confuse the issues.

Why can't I both be naturally attractive AND lie? I don't go to the construction site with only my screwdriver. I bring my hammer too.

Since you've confused the issues in the above paragraph, I'm going to have to ask you what you mean by lying. I'm not even sure if your defination with lying is even accurate if you think self-improvement is lying!

You act like we're talking about respectable women here. No we're talking about women who routinely treat guys like garbage and half the time it doesn't even OCCUR to them that it's wrong. Women who go around town dressed like h0rs with their breasts barely covered. Women who swear like sailors. If they'd act like ladies maybe they'd deserve to be treated like them. RIP PRL&LMS.

I understand what you are saying, but I'm not sure if we have the same defination of lying. What is a lie to you mr Rucus?

I look at a lie as a black lie, where you deliberately lie to hurt someone for your advantage or for a bad joke, like giving the wrong directions to someone, or telling a woman you don't have STD's when you've got full blown AIDS. A white lie can also be bad, but if it's a fib then it's okay since fib's are just saying something so that an explosion doesn't occur on a bird-feather. Bird-feathers have to be managed.

My first line in this thread I said I wouldn't lie to get a relationship. Well, not more than anyone else and nothing big. Just enough to get in the door. I'd lie to get sex from the girls i don't want a relationship with easily. They'd get used as the objects they present themselves as.

And, how exactly would you lie? You are talking about self-improvement or some bad lie?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

duplicate post.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Wow. I hit a soft spot with my 'compulsive liar' comment.
When cornered, most people react very aggressively.

Right, let me pull up the thread.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=153605...

...People are either neutral or they back up the idea...

Thank you for pulling up the thread. Do me a favor and read every reply one more time. Slowly please.

You are taking a very dangerous position if you intend to go into that type of self-help thread and start using that as a basis to make attacks on people by bringing up stuff that people are posting on there while trying to stop a masturbation problem.

I agree that its a bad habit to have.

Why not bring up porn fantasies written by Poonani_maker, or start making fun of people who are masturbating on that thread too now and that are trying to stop?

Let's try something. Read the following statements:

"I imagine I have a fvck buddy" and "I have a fvck buddy".

Can you tell the difference, and if so where in the statement is the difference.

I don't understand is what you have to gain from lying on an internet forum.

 

[The Logical Player]

isnt it ironic that the guys who sometimes lie to women (aka when they are trying to get what they want from them) get laid MUCH more often then the nice guys who are soooo honest every single darn time awww

what the hell are some of you here on this site for, to be a SEDUCER OF WOMEN or to be a SUPER-HONEST-AFC??

 

[Trader]

First off, let's set this straight

There is a difference between lying and withholding information from her

Withholding information is your own prerogative, who says you have to tell everything about yourself to the girl?

Now with regards to lying, hey if you want to lie, go ahead. You may even get the girl, but you definitely won't have as much fun - because you won't be natural, you'll be *acting*, and *acting* gets damn tired

Besides, you will always lose to the guy who is honest. You can lie about your job, and she may buy that lie, but the truth is you don't have your life together, and she is going to be able to sniff that out sooner or later. You will always lose to the guy who is honest AND has his life together.

So why not just improve yourself and get your life in order? Think about it.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Wow. I hit a soft spot with my 'compulsive liar' comment.
When cornered, most people react very aggressively.

First you complain that I'm ignoring your posts when you are making sh1t accusation, then when I take you seriously, I'm acting aggressively. Guess you just can't win with some people. Maybe I really can't take you seriously.

Thank you for pulling up the thread. Do me a favor and read every reply one more time. Slowly please.

Sounds like a normal thread too me. There is no unanimous disapproval as you've portrayed.

"I imagine I have a fvck buddy" and "I have a fvck buddy".

Can you tell the difference, and if so where in the statement is the difference.

I don't understand is what you have to gain from lying on an internet forum.

On a post that is talking about a mental fantasy, every statement on a mental fanatasy is imaginary, that is why it is a fantasy. No need to be redundant. You really are retarded.

 

[DJDamage]

What it comes down to is you! just like coming to sosuave you find out that its not really about pursuing the girls as it is as much of being true to yourself and improving within and thus naturally attracting the girls.

You reap what you sow.

"Its not really lying if you believe it."

Have you really met an honest person?! no such person exists. If such person did exist he would have to be like Jim Carrey in the movie "Liar, Liar" and be brutally honest with everyone on how he thinks about them. A person like this will end up being alone, with no job and fighting for his life because people do not want to associate with someone like that. Part of being human is to be a good liar because we lie everyday to the world of who we really are.

"The world is a stage and we are all performers".

Not only do we lie to society around us but we also lie to our friends and family because we don't want to hurt their feelings, we want to gain something from our lies, and we know we are partially selfish and self serving creatures so why would it be any different with a woman?! We also know that certain lies come with risks and that if we lie too big or too much we risk losing more then we bargain for. Lying therefore comes down to being case of a judgement call then anything else.

That's why we also call someone that is good with the ladies to have a "TIGHT GAME" because this man knows that he and his woman are not honest with each other and each one of them have their own agenda's when they enter into this union called "a relationship". A man knows perfectly well that a woman has her own agenda and a woman knows perfectly well that a man has is. Therefore its almost given that both man and a woman know that there will be some type of lying going on the only question is the amount, what's the risk, and how long they can tolerate it or for better words what degree are they willing to tolerate it. So essentially when one agrees to enter a relationship its almost given that its a bargaining tool to attempt to disarm one another into a compromisation of lying less to one another so both people can benefit by trusting each other more. That's why people don't trust strangers.

To those who say that "you shouldn't lie" or " I don't lie to women" well thanks for lying to me today.

 

[mrRuckus]

I have not bought any pheromones, as based on that thread, but if I did, they have a 200% money-back guarantee and will pay double what you invest on it if it doesn't work. Like I said, I look at the bottom line LOUDER than anything else that is said.

You're a douche for even trying this nonsense. You're a bastard for trying to manipulate women into being attracted to you by using pheromones. Don't you want them to be attracted to you rather than drugged? I mean really, isn't using a chemical tantamount to just slippy some powder into her drink?

I tried an e-book, "How to make women laugh", didn't work, asked for a refund, guess what -- I got a refund credited back to my account. I tried net2bed-net2wed, didn't work, asked for a refund, guess what -- I got a refund.
I tried lookbetteronline and got a refund there too. I didn't get scammed by any dating product.

It's hilarious that you even buy these books regardless of your refund. Do you ask them for that time of your life spent on bullsh1t back?

They offer these refunds because they know most people will not ask so they make a profit anyway. It's the same reason we're inundated with mail in rebates. They're hoping you forget or somehow screw up sending them in.

I don't think dbot lies with his style of approaches and yet he pulls tail by being direct, honest and upfront.

Who the hell is that? I don't have every guru on speed dial and a book shelf of dating books.




That is why he is listed on one my threads as an inspirational poster. Ultimately, lying is just a lack of faith.

Indulge us, what do you usually lie about anyway that is going to make a difference? Are you merely pandering to the carnal selfish nature of women with words by telling them what they would likely want to hear to trigger a reaction? Doesn't that feel like a sell-out? You are conforming to their sick mind-set rather than challenging it?

That's not lying, that's self-improvement. Do not confuse the issues.

Haha. If you are not confident and you act confident, then you are lying. Body language is communication and you are sending purposely out signals that do not truly convey what you feel.

If you read a book and learn to be ****y and funny, but if you are not ****y or even truly confident, then you are just putting on an act to get chicks. You are lying. This is why ****y and funny blows up in so many guys faces because either they are ****y and not funny or funny and not ****y.

Want to BE ****y and funny? Then become ****y and funny. But, don't ACT ****y and funny. The whole C&F thing is best because it taught men that's it's OKAY to be that way. It's ok to be jerky sometimes, because not only is it ok to be that way, but women actually like it. Not everyone can pull it off and not everyone should.

But really, i'm for it either way. I just choose not to lie to myself about what i'm doing. I know I catch myself all the time correcting my posture and body language in situations. I'm not confident at all times. No one is. It's just fine to act like you are. But at least admit you're acting to yourself.

Since you've confused the issues in the above paragraph, I'm going to have to ask you what you mean by lying.

I'm disagree with your premise. I know the meaning of words.

I understand what you are saying,

No you don't. If you were capable of such thought, you wouldn't still be on this website doing stupid sh1t and not getting girls when you've been here for like 3 years. It would've sunk in by now.

but I'm not sure if we have the same defination of lying. What is a lie to you mr Rucus?

A lie to me? A lie to me is what the dictionary says it is.

I look at a lie as a black lie, where you deliberately lie to hurt someone for your advantage or for a bad joke, like giving the wrong directions to someone, or telling a woman you don't have STD's when you've got full blown AIDS. A white lie can also be bad, but if it's a fib then it's okay since fib's are just saying something so that an explosion doesn't occur on a bird-feather. Bird-feathers have to be managed.

I don't particular care for white lies either. If I ask you if my shoes look stupid i want you to tell me my shoes look stupid so i don't go out looking like a tard. Otherwise i wouldn't f'in ask you. I'm not asking for compliments. I'm asking for the damn truth.

I'm not one of the abortions of life who needs coddled for my ego to remain intact. I actually want to improve and constructive criticism is welcome from those i actually respect.

The majority of the time if i lie to people is because it is what they want.

My brother is getting married this summer. I don't even want to go to the wedding because I disapprove. But i will be there and when and if they get to that part where 'if anyone objects..." i will sit silently and be essentially lying because that is what everyone wants.

And, how exactly would you lie? You are talking about self-improvement or some bad lie?

I don't know. You act like i'm saying to pretend to be James Bond or some crap. Subtle easy lies are fine. Pretend you're from out of town. Pretend you're going to war tomorrow. Pretend there's a God. Who gives a damn if you're just looking to get laid? What does the girl care if you lied to her either? She must've wanted laid too - she just wanted to find a guy who was gonna flick her emotional switches.

I never said go ahead and base an entire relationship off of big whopping lies about how you own a huge business when you really work at dairy queen. Why do i have to spell this out like i'm teaching reading to a kindergartener? Are context clues really that difficult?

Sh1t, women give out enough phone numbers and then flake. Isn't it pretty much a lie to lead on a dude that things are gonna take a step forward, but instead don't even bother to answer their phone?

Manipulative yes, but not a lie. I could have simply 'forgotten' to share this.

If you honestly forgot, sure. But otherwise it's lying by omission. See, they even have a name for it. You purposely leave something out in order to deceive. You purposely lead them to believe the other way.



Here's one of the definition of lies:

(n)
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.

Did the guy actually say anything? No, but he purposely tried to put forth an impression that was inaccurate. If you conveniently leave out that you're an alcoholic, you are creating the impression that you are totally in control guy with his life in order when you are really not.

I purposely never mention religion because I'm agnostic but so many chicks want their dudes to believe in god.

 

[Duffdog]

Because then you get negative social proof.

Well, since I don't care about her existence past her vag1na-- I would only get negative social proof if I got caught and only then would it matter. It just comes down to how good you are at lying. If you are good, then you don't get caught and nobody thinks you are a liar. If you are not good, you get called a liar and all the other bad stuff happens.

Everyone lies...just get over it. If you have ever spoken to a female, you have been lied to.

 

[mrRuckus]

Now with regards to lying, hey if you want to lie, go ahead. You may even get the girl, but you definitely won't have as much fun - because you won't be natural, you'll be *acting*, and *acting* gets damn tired

No one is really talking about putting on a whole show.

People lie constantly. It can just be little remarks in the moment that you even forgot happened. You're flirting with a girl at the bar. She makes a remark about how she feels ugly tonight or whatever. Let her think she's an 8 when you think she's a 6.5 but would still do her. What is the harm?

She gets to feel pretty and get laid.
You get laid.

Neither of you are thinkin about that remark from 3 hours ago while you're humping away.

No one said to spend the night covering up lie after lie and spinning a giant web for months.




Everyone acts all the time anyway. Luke is acting like he's somebody in this thread right now.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

You're a douche for even trying this nonsense. You're a bastard for trying to manipulate women into being attracted to you by using pheromones. Don't you want them to be attracted to you rather than drugged? I mean really, isn't using a chemical tantamount to just slippy some powder into her drink?

I have never used a pheromone in my life, therefore I have not tried it.

It's hilarious that you even buy these books regardless of your refund. Do you ask them for that time of your life spent on bullsh1t back?

Time spent reading that stuff is on the same category as entertainment. Most of these books initially make you feel good by giving you false hope that some missing information is going to make a major difference in your life. Once you realise it's all BS and had a nice ride, then take it for what it's worth, just another form of entertainment, like a good movie or book. Actually better since you are more engaged in it and are part of the story.

They offer these refunds because they know most people will not ask so they make a profit anyway. It's the same reason we're inundated with mail in rebates. They're hoping you forget or somehow screw up sending them in.

The point is they didn't lie about the bottom line, and are therefore not lying.

Who the hell is that? I don't have every guru on speed dial and a book shelf of dating books.

dbot -- poster on here.

Haha. If you are not confident and you act confident, then you are lying. Body language is communication and you are sending purposely out signals that do not truly convey what you feel.

Not if you believe in induced states of emotion. That is, in order to be confident you have to act confident. If you put your head up, say positive things to yourself, and smile, then you'll likely feel positive emotions.

Inducing a state of emotion is not lying, it's science.

If you read a book and learn to be ****y and funny, but if you are not ****y or even truly confident, then you are just putting on an act to get chicks. You are lying. This is why ****y and funny blows up in so many guys faces because either they are ****y and not funny or funny and not ****y.

It's also an induced state of emotion, a scientific phenominon. You are who you believe you are.

Want to BE ****y and funny? Then become ****y and funny. But, don't ACT ****y and funny. The whole C&F thing is best because it taught men that's it's OKAY to be that way. It's ok to be jerky sometimes, because not only is it ok to be that way, but women actually like it. Not everyone can pull it off and not everyone should.

Sure, as a man thinketh so is he. You can't act ****y and funny convincingly and not actually become ****y and funny at the same time. An actor has to be convinced that the is the character that he's portraying and becomes that character.

No person has the same emotional state 24/7. You have a state that's appropritate to the social context that you are in. Doesn't mean that you are lying any more than not wearing your pajamas to work is lying even if you feel more comfortable in your pajamas than your office clothes.

But really, i'm for it either way. I just choose not to lie to myself about what i'm doing. I know I catch myself all the time correcting my posture and body language in situations. I'm not confident at all times. No one is. It's just fine to act like you are. But at least admit you're acting to yourself.

Then you are allowing external states to control how you are feeling rather than the other way around.

No you don't. If you were capable of such thought, you wouldn't still be on this website doing stupid sh1t and not getting girls when you've been here for like 3 years. It would've sunk in by now.

I don't see how that fits in to what I replied. Agreeing with you that some women treat guys like garbage, or deserve to be lied to or manipulated as their just deserts for how they treat other people has nothing to do with me not getting it. This is totally irrational -- what are you trying to say?

A lie to me? A lie to me is what the dictionary says it is.

Sure, whatever, so far we've got self-improvement, self-induced states of emotion, I think you are confusing apples with oranges.

My brother is getting married this summer. I don't even want to go to the wedding because I disapprove. But i will be there and when and if they get to that part where 'if anyone objects..." i will sit silently and be essentially lying because that is what everyone wants.

No, you are treating your brother as you would like to be treated.

I don't know. You act like i'm saying to pretend to be James Bond or some crap. Subtle easy lies are fine. Pretend you're from out of town. Pretend you're going to war tomorrow. Pretend there's a God. Who gives a damn if you're just looking to get laid? What does the girl care if you lied to her either? She must've wanted laid too - she just wanted to find a guy who was gonna flick her emotional switches.

That's a fib, not really a lie.

I never said go ahead and base an entire relationship off of big whopping lies about how you own a huge business when you really work at dairy queen. Why do i have to spell this out like i'm teaching reading to a kindergartener? Are context clues really that difficult?

Yes you do have to spell it out since I'm challenging for a more accurate defination of lying.

Sh1t, women give out enough phone numbers and then flake. Isn't it pretty much a lie to lead on a dude that things are gonna take a step forward, but instead don't even bother to answer their phone?

Leading on is more like friendzoning someone who want's a relationship and giving him false hints or hopes that there could be something more, when in reality, there the intentions is just friendship and how long you can string someone along with their time and money.

If someone flakes like that, then that's great. You didn't waste your time, money and energy on her.

Here's one of the definition of lies:

(n)
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.

Did the guy actually say anything? No, but he purposely tried to put forth an impression that was inaccurate. If you conveniently leave out that you're an alcoholic, you are creating the impression that you are totally in control guy with his life in order when you are really not.

I purposely never mention religion because I'm agnostic but so many chicks want their dudes to believe in god.

That is not a lie, that's stigma management.

 

[The Logical Player]

I have just had a major breakthrough!!!!

Luke Skywalker is a far bigger mentally disabled nutcase than ElStud could ever hope to be.

 

[Alle_Gory]

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fvck it. if you're going to be a permanent parasite, then so be it.

talking to you is embarrassing. i won't argue with the mentally handicapped anymore.

I have never used a pheromone in my life, therefore I have not tried it.

That's correct! When you've never used something, that means you have not tried it!

Hey Luke. You're doing a great job little buddy! Way to go.

 

[Count Chocola]

Pursade her with your mind and hypnotize her with you body. The world isn't black and white. Are you guy's seriously still chatting after this diamond was posted vvvv

What it comes down to is you! just like coming to sosuave you find out that its not really about pursuing the girls as it is as much of being true to yourself and improving within and thus naturally attracting the girls.

You reap what you sow.

"Its not really lying if you believe it."

Have you really met an honest person?! no such person exists. If such person did exist he would have to be like Jim Carrey in the movie "Liar, Liar" and be brutally honest with everyone on how he thinks about them. A person like this will end up being alone, with no job and fighting for his life because people do not want to associate with someone like that. Part of being human is to be a good liar because we lie everyday to the world of who we really are.

"The world is a stage and we are all performers".

Not only do we lie to society around us but we also lie to our friends and family because we don't want to hurt their feelings, we want to gain something from our lies, and we know we are partially selfish and self serving creatures so why would it be any different with a woman?! We also know that certain lies come with risks and that if we lie too big or too much we risk losing more then we bargain for. Lying therefore comes down to being case of a judgement call then anything else.

That's why we also call someone that is good with the ladies to have a "TIGHT GAME" because this man knows that he and his woman are not honest with each other and each one of them have their own agenda's when they enter into this union called "a relationship". A man knows perfectly well that a woman has her own agenda and a woman knows perfectly well that a man has is. Therefore its almost given that both man and a woman know that there will be some type of lying going on the only question is the amount, what's the risk, and how long they can tolerate it or for better words what degree are they willing to tolerate it. So essentially when one agrees to enter a relationship its almost given that its a bargaining tool to attempt to disarm one another into a compromisation of lying less to one another so both people can benefit by trusting each other more. That's why people don't trust strangers.

To those who say that "you shouldn't lie" or " I don't lie to women" well thanks for lying to me today.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

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fvck it. if you're going to be a permanent parasite, then so be it.

talking to you is embarrassing. i won't argue with the mentally handicapped anymore.

If this is your way of conceding defeat and and will stop you from replying to my posts or threads, then so be it! Next time you reply to any of my threads/posts, then I'll ask you, why are you arguing with me.

That's correct! When you've never used something, that means you have not tried it!

I never said anywhere on here that I did.

 

[Alle_Gory]

If this is your way of conceding defeat and and will stop you from replying to my posts or threads, then so be it!

That's right, you win Luke. You can now collect your prize.

LOL. There isn't one.

This doesn't mean you'll get away with the junk you post. I'll be warning the newbies if someone else doesn't.