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Just curious but how many ppl are in new zealand?

it seem like an awsome place to visit, but comes off as a bit deserted and just bunch of islands.

prolly just my lack of knowledge on the territory
 

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New Zealand has 4 million peole here. 5 big cities all of which are a great night out. Most of the country is rural but not backwards, like.

Most people come for the wilderness experience, which , having traveled around a bit is absolutely second to none.

Really beautiful country , some good surf beaches skiing , yeah I know I'm starting to sound like a tourist board advertisement.

I've never met a tourist who was diappointed. And kiwi chicks dig accents.
 

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Walden,

Are you going out by yourself doing these approaches? It impresses me that you are able to do all these cold.
 

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Sounds like you've made some great progress Walden, congrats to you!

Sounds like your starting to have some fun too. Its important to have fun, and a love of people, you seem to be getting the point.

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Hey guys.

Dave, yes I am going out and doing these all by myself. Most of them are women I come across in the course of my everyday work (I'm at college for the rest of the semester) , and saturday and sunday I try to spend a couple of hours in town practicing walkups with women I see on the street or bookstores or stuff.

As for 'cold' hmm, my definition of cold is expanding a bit. If you're at the same gym or in the same store or at college or something you're not really 'cold'. The biggest thing I have learned so far is that it is a lot easier than you'd think to go up and start a convo 'cold'. I have been picking my approaches (a little too carefully , read previous) and that has meant that I've been rudely snubbed only about 3 times. And even those snubs didn't make me feel like an a**hole at all.

Boot camp is a little diffuclt because the numbers are so high that you're always in "DJ mode" , and after bootcamp I expect I won't put as much time into it cos I will have developed the skills to the level I want. (Not there yet).

Mystery, yeah am having an absolute ball with it, although it can get a bit dispiriting on those times I've been too scared to move.

An update on todays play , I was in the weights room on base , and there was this 9! chick there. Very very hot.Like , yeah , notably hot. Like the hottest woman I'd seen in weeks .
So I started convo with her. She was really receptive (there were 3 people in the gym and you could hear this other guy's ears flapping when I stared up , cos he'd been eyeing her up and wasn't game enough to have a blagg :D ). Now in hindsight I was too supplicative , offering comments and observations for her to respond to. I should have made a few comments/exchanges and then walked over and had a conversation but frankly I was intimidated. However I was conscious that I should be building rapport towards a close here, but again I wasn't enaging her , just exchanging sound bites (you know those first few witty comments as you get yr C+F on). So , I'll go for the number close next time, we live and learn.

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Phew today was but busy. Was in the supermarket and saw a cute woman in gtym gear, so Iwent over and started a joke about how if you go to the supermarket in gym gear you always wind up buying heaps more than you otherwise would.

Talked for a bit. Now I didn't try and close. My mind was making excuses for me not to , like , she's probably hooked up or you shouldn't bother ner or whatever. These are all based on unuseful assumptions. The only useful assumption is;

She's single , is secretly hoping some guy will move on her , and she's attracted to you.

Operating from this basis also ensures you have a more money vibe.

Also I was aware that with the cold sound bite exchanges the conversation had a short life because strangers might lausibly exchange a few witty quips with one another but if you do that for like 5 minutes you're some AFc bothering her. But if you get her talking about herself then as soon as an even remotely interesting etail comes up , you can pretend to be fascinated by it and bam! you have an excuse to draw out the conversation (because you want to hear about her gym class , her dog , her scalp condition or whatever).
 
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Good Job Walden

I honestly have to say this is one of the most inspirational posts I've seen on the board. I really like how it shows the progression from afc to dj, and how much improvement you have made in one month. At the beginning you were having trouble just saying hi, and now it seems like almost every hb you see, you approach and you're having fun with it.

I think this thread was a great idea, keeping a journal should be added to the boot camp, to show progression, keep you focused and add motivation for those days when you are off.

I really hope you see this thing through the whole 8 weeks, your posts are really entertaining.
 

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Week 4 Day 11

Thanks MDJ, nice to hear you guys are following my progress. I look back on how I was six weeks ago and it's remarkable. I have a looong way to go still but yeah I'm pleased with my progress.


I was just checking my mail now and I noticed in the lab opposite me was a cute woman 8-9 (yes I'm in college , yes I'm in New Zealand there really are that many hot women around). Some part of me went right ! give that one a shot , like almost with resignation "Oh god he's at it AGAIN!" and so I rolled over there in my swivley chair and asked if she'd been having the same trouble with the email that I had. She was cold at first but I stayed in her fce and made a few jokes and she warmed up. I suspect she had a b**ch sheild up , and she bailed soon after , but I was pleased because (A) I had moved on in and had a go (SWSnc) and (B) in the back of my mind I was looking for ways to engage her rather than interview her, which is what I need to be conscious of.

two more SWSnc's still didn't manage that smooth transition to talking about her tho'

Well stoked.


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Walking up the street , saw an average looking 5 at the crossing lights(SWSnc). It was raining and I had an umbrella so I ventured "It makes me feel stink that I have this great big umbrella and you're standing in the rain..." so she came an joined me. 5 minute convo ensued (during which time I noticed the engagement ring so I didn't pursue it).

I got onto campus and saw a cute woman stop at a park bench with some guy hanging around nearby. My brain said "back off that's her boyfriend". It wasn't (of course) but I let myself believe the excuse and so I didn't act. I think DJing cold can be like endurance sport.The brain will start making excuses to allow you to stop doing challenging or scary things "My leg's injured/ I'm not fit enough for this event/ I haven't had enough water...." . My challenge is to choose not to believe the excuses.

Another walkup , a little later (SWSnc). Only realy talked about the pretext , even tho' I got LOTS of clues as to how to switch the conve to her favourite topic "oh , so where do you live?".

That's the next step in my DJing.Hard targets , and getting to smoothly make her the topic of conversation.
 
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Week 4 Day 12 (long)

Went to the gym last night . 4 pretty much bog standard walkups (all SWSc), one to an 8 (extra points for being in gym gear , probably a low 7 in real life) who was a little cold at first and notably warmed up as we talked.

2 key principles of DJing revealed here firstly , it's no harder to walkup on a hot chick than a dog (and at least you have something pretty to look at while you DJ) and on a walkup it always takes 30 (akward) seconds for the chick to warm up and realise you aren't just some fruitcake come to bother her (though I am sweet and do have big nuts).

I also saw another walkup i wanted to pursue (didn't) and failed to close any yesterday at all.

So I got to thinking about why and I'm prepared to own up to it.

I, Mike Walden am scared of rejection. There I said it. That's why I've been only busting walkups on easy situations (SWSc) and why I've been pulling out so early or limiting myself to soundbite exchanges on diffuclt approaches.

This fear of rejection is like a handbrake on my DJing. It screws with my judgement , and is seriously hampering my progress. Further it shows signs of apretty weak personality. If I can't make myself risk hearing "no , thank-you" from a hot chick then what kind of p***y am I?

One of my aikido instructors used to describe the stages of progress a martial artist makes. He says at first you try really hard to never get hit. The next stage is where you try really hard to be tough enough to withstand getting hit. Finally you just welcome you ene,mies hardest attacks , like a shopkeeper greets people to his store "Irrashimasae / welcome , welcome".

I'm willing to aprreciate that this is a pretty pretentious metaphor , after all this is just blagging and not martial arts, but that's what's guided my thinking about this.

The next stage of DJing will come when I no longer try to DJ so carefully that Inever get rejected , rather when I am willing to just be rejected because it's all part of DJing , because I enjoy DJing that damn much.

What I need to do is go out and get myself some rejection!
Irrashimasae , welcome!

Catch you guys tomorrow.

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This is an edit cos I needed a smooth excuse to sit at this computer (hottie on my 9'oclock).

Just bust a good SWMnc. And closed (unsuccessfully, she was boyfriended).

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At the Gym tonight I bust an excellent walkup (SWSc , my grandmother coulda butsed on that) on a serious hottie , a 7 in real life , an 8 cos she has a particular 'look' I like.

I sound bite'd her onece before the class (just a witty line really) and waited until after class and then stode up and engaged her. I didn't try to pretend I was just being sociable with my classmates (tho since I started training I find myself naturally meeting and talking with people I bump into) no, I had gone over cos I wanted to meet her goddamnit!. And it went really well. I coulda closed (but I didn't) , at the time I told myself it was cos I'd have better odds the second time I talked to her (maybe true) but in reality I was believing my own excuses.Now I risk waiting a whole week and therefore increasing the odds that I'll be hit by a bus and die without having a**banged this chick. That's a risk I'm not willing to take any more!

Again though the lesson was that a hot chick is no harder to roll on than any other woman.

5 to go.
 
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Walden,

That martial arts analogy actually makes decent sense. But it would make sense when compared to any fear, to beat it you gotta face it.

Keep in mind that in cold PU no matter who you are or how good your "skills" are, you will get rejected more than you will be accepted. The trick is not to take it personally.

Keep it up man, your doing the bootcamp so I know you've read about the 3 second rule, use it. Don't allow any doubt to enter your mind, just go and do it when you see a hot girl.

Heres a quote to remember:
Every failure is one step closer to success.

Instead of thinking what if she says no, start thinking what if she says yes.

Mr. Mystery
 

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Week 4 Day 13

This is gonna be a hard day today .
I have a movie date at noon , and a date to the comedy club tonight. I'll count tonight towards my tally if I close there, but otherwise I still have 5 in 4 days to do so I'd better hop to it.

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Damnit!!!! 2 walkups (SWSnc), opportunistic and I couldn't get myself to close (WTF!!!!!).

And 2 walkup chokes that I really wanted ! Bah!

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Number close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Her name's Zara. I've been keeping an approach journal , and had written a couple of smooth number closes and mentally rehearsed them, and today it just came out Blam! (and yes I did get her number!). Stoked!
(yes I am aware that you guys advised me to do that oh, six weeks ago, that'll teach me not to listen!).

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Closed again this afternoon on a pretty easy walkup (SWSc).

My comedy club 'date' LJBF'd me , boy did i misread that situation.


The count is at 7 with 3 to go.
 
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You know Walden you're the inspiration for us ever doing the bootcamp. And if it weren't for this thread I'd never think it's possible to do what you're doing. We'd just give up and say "nah that bootcamp thing is fantasy, noone can do". The fact that you do it helps us do it too. You're the leader man! Thanks! Just reading your stuff game so much inspiration I went out and did convos and His like mad, and am not counting those. They were purely sponatenous from reading your sucesses. Keep it up! I can see a great DJ coming out of ya!
 

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Hey , cheers CM!

Am at college today and have choked like 3 times in the first 10 minutes I was here which I shouldn't be doing since ultimately I do need to suck a few more rejections up to thicken my skin a bit. Gah!

I learned a really useful DJ mind trick. I was choking cos I was too tense and taking my DJing too seriously . To get into a better frame of mind I hummed (okay I sang aloud in my best off-note b-flat) some Sinatra tunes. Bam! I was back in the correct headspace (cheerful , ****y and a bit egoed up).
I think this technique could also be useful as an adjunct to the 3 second rule. On seeing a HB , I'll try humming a little Sinatra (tho De La Soul could also work) to get me in the right frame of mind so as not to choke.

(2 Walkups , both SWSc [grandma shots] no closes tho' both convos were cut short by circumstance)

Botched a tricky SWSnc at the caf when I approached a chik at a table , and was interrupted by the waitress dang!

However even as I typed that , I was succesfully closing with a cute nutritionist sitting beside me in the computer lab (!).

2 to go Yah mule yah!
 
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Week 4 day 15

This is saturday of the extra week I had given myself to finish wk 4 of training. I have 2 'closes' to go in 2 days , and something up my sleeve for tonight.

Unfortunaltely I still haven't conquered my fear of rejection and I would appreciate some advice on drills to work into my training in the next few weeks. I have however gotten my closing instinct much better developed and there has been heaps of progress (and a few phone numbers) this week.

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Have been in town for about 90 minutes and have choked 6 times already. Frankly I'd like to just bust that close and go home as I am not in the mood for DJ training today at all.

Theres the motivation I guess.

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Went back into town. Street approached a hot 8 (SWMnc!), took her for coffee , number closed (her name's Ulrike and shes from Holland).

For the record , successfully street Djing a hot chick like that is a way stokin' feeling.

1 to go! :cool:

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Did my first group [GWSnc] approach today (on the street no less) . It went really well, but they were all in town to see a show tonight and were heading home next day so I didn't go for the close. I shoulda gone for the best possible close for that situation tho' an email or a number from the cutest one. But I didn't , another lesson learned. I found the group approach was just like an individual approach . I had to stay upbeat and in their faces until they warmed up to me. It got easier than a normal convo tho because no matter what I said one of them would respond to it.
 
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what is this GWS SWS abbrev?
 

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The Walden Code

Ah right.I have been keeping an approach journal but I got sick of writing Single woman by herself in context so abbreviated it.

SW means a single woman (in the sense of "by herself" rather than "unattatched").
PW would mean a pair of women.
GW means a group of women.
MG would mean a mixed group tho heaven knows when you'd approach that.

the next bit

S means Stationary (ie not moving , but functionally a woman walking the smae direction as you is stationary).

M means Moving (ie you have to stop her to talk to her)

and finally

c or nc means context or no context , so if you were at seaworld you'd have context cos you could say "Hey wow did you see that dolphin?"

pu would mean you were in a pick up bar situation where it would be appropriate to just start up with "how you doin?".


Thus

SWSnc means a single woman stationary by herself with no obvious contextual cues to work from ,which is a fairly easy shot to play.

Whereas

MGMnc would be a mixed group of people that you'd have to stop to strike up a convo with, and you have no obvious contextual clues. If anyone's approached in that situation I'd like to hear about it.
 

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Walden's Day Off (a-la Ferris Bueller)

Okay so last night I made the tenth close of week 4 and , because I'm a gentleman that's all the detail I'm going to offer :)

Tomorrow I'll start on week 5 , but I'd like to thank y'all for sticking by me thru the marathon I made week 4 into. It has been really hard work , even when my approaches were getting fairly good I still had real trouble closing. As I expected I mad e massive progress in week 4 , and I need to think of what my goals for week 5 (in terms of closes and approaches as well as dates) will be.

As for today, i'm going to go downtown to a bookstore to actually look at books (that'll be a change) and then maybe to the pub to actually drink some beer.

Have a good one.

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Yeah okay so I'm downtown, cutting through a square with park benches around it , which incidentally has my favourite balcony bar up above it. I spot this way hot chick sitting at a park bench (SWSnc). The DJ training kicks in and I go talk to her and we get talking. About 5 minutes in my good friend Tasha comes down outta this bar (where she and all her friends have been watching) and hauls me upstairs to drink with them. So we drink for a whiles and I'm totally kicking myself for leaving , so I ask them to excuse me for 5 minutes and I go back down there (now with a full peanut gallery of onlookers) and get this gorls number! Totally stoked.

About 20 minutes later these 2 cute girls come into the bar (PWSc) , and I get up and (again acting outta trained instincts) rock on over and start a convo , long story short get the cute one's number as well!
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I'm gonna owe MOTU a LOT of beers by the end of this training!
 
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Week 5 Day 1

My word it is nice to be in week 5 , more than half way through.

Last "week" was a lotta hard work but I am beginning to see it pay dividends.

My goals fr this week are obviously straight outta the b/c excercises (arrange and go on a date or dates) but also I want to work on my approaching and closing.

Last week I was kinda stressed out by maintaining high numbers , so instead this week I want to just pursue good solid DJing getting as many numbers as possible. Specifically I want to play like this. I want to reduce my choke ratio on bangable women so if I come across bangable women , I want to play for them EVERY TIME. If I find that doesn't motivate me I'll try for , say , five numbers in these ten days, maybe.

That way I should get some measure of control over that choke reflex , and with luck I oughta get a buncha numbers.

I've been on campus ten minutes and I have choked once and got on new number (admittedly I got a bit lucky there and saw a girl from my gym).
This week I'm starting play with about four numbers (five but she'd be a pain in the a** to date) so I guess we'll see how many of those I can turn into dates.

Am sweating over the hot blonde whose number I got yesterday , and I totally want to call her today for fear she'll go cold on me. This has AFC thinking written all over it , so I'm giving her the "industry standard" two days. The other I arranged a date for the day after tomorrow so I kinda hafta call today (I guess you play 'em where they lie).


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First date with Zara, a lunch date. I was relaxed , funny , in charge in all the right places, and I slipped away and paid without her noticing. It went well , didn't get mad opportunities to bust with the kino but I was shooting to make her comfortable with me so I can turn things up a little on the next.

Only problem with a lunch date is you don't get to close with a kiss or f***.

All in all I was happy tho' it was a bit bloodless , in hindsight she gave me plenty of opportunities to get her ontothe topic of romanitc interest and sex , but I didn't go there. So maybe for next time (ie next first date) I should turn it up a notch.

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Am planning to make between 2 or 3 approaches a day from now on to stay in practice.

Approached one chick in the uni library (SWSc) , was doing okay but got cut off. I figured I was a minute or 2 away from a close.
 
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Gah I just locked myself outta my car!!! Not relevant but still annoying.

Okay so today I made 2 calls , and got anwer machines on both. Left messages , and will make one (and only one) follow up call.

Did a couple of approaches , one I saw a way cute youngish chick in a cafe , went in bought a cup of tea and asked if I could join her (good top cover , cos it was busy) . Talked for a bit , it took a while for her to warm up to me. I closed with "Hey I'm in the city form time to time , let me take you for coffee" (I'm definitely with the DJ rule (I think it's Pook's or MOTU's) that you don't ever 'ask' for a date) and got her number.

Have also found it useful with five (six?) girls in play to write down who they are and what I know about them so I don't wind up sitting across from Sophie and talking to her about her celebrity lint collection (when it's Raylene that has the lint collection and Sophie that grows axlothls as a hobby).

However now I hafta go sort this car thing out. Bah!
 

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Walden,

You are going to be one of the Master DJs. I'm ridiculously impressed by how many PUs you do on a daily basis. In fact, I don't think anyone has as long of a roster of women as you do and you seem to find new ones every day. I hope I can achieve what you have someday.
 
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