BeExcellent: "Nothing short of marriage is exclusive to be perfectly honest"

[Tenacity]

No, I say we get rid of the classical woman who is sweet and innocent as our ideal unicorn. I say we change this definition. A unicorn should be any girl who just is extremely in love with and attached to you for whatever reason. Essentially a woman whom you top her high score list. These women can still be sluts by the standard definition too (it’s 2017 guys, women love sex too; get used to it), but they are YOUR unicorn because they will still do anything (or almost anything) for you because of how much of an impact you’ve had on her. This is the way it’s supposed to be. Women have soulmates. Men do not. Oneitis is not natural. That is all.

There is wisdom in this post. If you find someone who loves you then you've got something special. Why not go from there? If you look at my unicorn post from a while back you'll see this very same dilemma was why I started that thread. That dilemma being the exact one that ITDG noted in his post above.

It's honestly not a good post @BeExcellent because ITDG is recommending that Men enter into a CONTRACT based on:

- A high score theory that's just a theory, not a scientific fact nor a statement of fact or law

- A woman really liking a guy RIGHT NOW, without acknowledging that same woman's interest can diminish over time for something the guy did, something the guy didn't do, or (insert any random reason here)

The structure of the Marriage Contract makes NO SENSE for over 90% of Men to enter into. No sense whatsoever. As a result, here's what I think you Pro-marriage guys should do.........

...............if you really, really, really want to win over the Anti-Marriage crowd, how about you FIGHT to remove the inefficiencies of the Marriage Contract and the inefficiencies of the Family Court? Make it so that we can get married and if we fall out of love for some reason and NEED to exit the marriage, nobody goes to the cleaners.

Do that.....stop the silly arguments about "weak men" or "unicorns" or "girls with high interest"......stop the silly arguments and do something about the damn CONTRACT you are asking me to sign!

 

[AJ84]

https://www.mckinleyirvin.com/Family-Law-Blog/2012/October/32-Shocking-Divorce-Statistics.aspx

I never quite understood the "Men Are Weak" argument for why women initiate divorces. So are you saying that strong Men don't get divorced? If the man is weak, why did the woman marry him? What happened to for better or worse?

I just don't understand the arguments some of you guys make. Why not just keep this simple?

- Consider getting married if you have specific rewards, benefits, and social advantages in doing so (that's if you are a man or a woman)

- Don't even consider getting married if the above isn't present

It has nothing to do with someone being weak, strong, perfect, a unicorn, or any of this other "stuff" you guys keep talking about. Marriage is a damn BUSINESS CONTRACT people. A Contract! You only sign up for something that has particular benefits/rewards for YOU specifically in doing so. If you do not find the situation where getting married provides such rewards and benefits, then don't get married! This will be over 90% of the time for Men if they are being honest with the evaluation.

Having kids or wanting to have kids, does not require a Marriage Contract. Will it be a tougher sale? Yes. Will it likely be drama? Yes. But are you seriously saying that getting Married would ELIMINATE drama? Eliminate the stress? Eliminate having to negotiate/get "tough sales" through to women?

ANY legal relationship with women today (be it marriage, or having kids, and/or cohabitation) can bring drama. If you want to avoid all drama, do what I'm doing....which is to keep women in non-legal relationships and not making any kids.

You spin them on plates and you can even do committed relationships. But you can leave at any moment and if she starts DEMANDING you do a legal relationship with her in order to "keep her", then you just filter her out for another woman.

Makes sense to me. If you don't want to get married and she does you can either spend your time and energy trying to change her mind about marriage or you could part ways to have each have relationships based on what you both want.

 

[AJ84]

Smh

What hahaha it's true right there are selfish men and women out there who string people along.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

There is wisdom in this post. If you find someone who loves you then you've got something special. Why not go from there? If you look at my unicorn post from a while back you'll see this very same dilemma was why I started that thread. That dilemma being the exact one that ITDG noted in his post above.

It’s just a adapting the definition to a modern day one. Those ancient olden-day women don’t exist anymore. But, you can still get the same outcome as one from being with a woman who is head over heels for you. Your unicorn thread tried to make them sound sweeter than they really were so that it could appeal to all of us so that we can hopefully see what you meant. Men don’t work that way. You can’t sugarcoat it like that because we read it too literally.

That is the modern day ‘unicorn’. Some of them can still be insecure though, still come from bad families, etc. but they will treat you well because of how much they love you. Unfortunately, this can be fleeting though, and much of it requires on doing things perfectly at precisely the right moment in order to put yourself at the top of her list. The only thing you can do is be on top of your game at all times, because (as deesade said), the game never ends.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

But are you seriously saying that getting Married would ELIMINATE drama? Eliminate the stress?

I’ve said this before to you and I will say it again: it lessens it tremendously. To us as men, it means nothing going from girlfriend to wife really. But to women, it does. I made this claim before this whole thread started and even before BE and AJ84 confirmed it (note that they didn’t even know that I had made this claim before either). Despite our online jousting match, this is still something that I will not deny holds true. You’re just wrong.

It's honestly not a good post @BeExcellent because the fake 17 year old (again, let's just be real, ITDG isn't 17, this is why I hate anonymous boards like this)

Oh quit it you pansy. I’ve already taken up your offer that if you send me $1,000 I will post a picture of me saying “I’mTheDoubleGreatest!” And I’ll even throw in another pic of my ID (with the address and name blurred out of course) so that you can see my birthday. But as soon as I said I’d take you up on that deal, you left the thread. I mean I’ve even posted multiple pictures of myself online before too that you can find, but hey I’ll do this one as well. For $1,000 of course.

- A high score theory that's just a theory, not a scientific fact nor a statement of fact or law

- A woman really liking a guy RIGHT NOW, without acknowledging that same woman's interest can diminish over time for something the guy did, something the guy didn't do, or (insert any random reason here)

- The structure of the Marriage Contract makes NO SENSE for over 90% of Men to enter into. No sense whatsoever.

If you say that High Score Theory isn’t real, then we can’t consider anything you say to be real either. Don’t go there. Anyone who’s seen varying levels of a woman’s attraction towards you AFTER the fact know that it’s true though. It’s just something you know through experience. You don’t even need to bang them because it’s more than initial attraction, it’s about BONDING. But no one has ever bonded to you because you’re just weird. You’ve never had a group of bros and never had a girl become extremely infatuated with you.

And I have already addressed a woman’s declining interest too:

You have to resist her changing you while still letting her feel like you won’t leave her, without verbalizing it. That’s the secret. But you don’t know how to do that.

As for marriage, it does make sense to women because LABELS MATTER TO THEM. There is an unspoken agreement/acknowledgment after getting married. You don’t understand this either. I’m not even out of my teens and I can comprehend this. Do you?

 

[Julian]

since i have things going on like making money, getting jacked, solving lifes problems for people an banging women, can someone pls cliffs this 9 page clusterfuk

 

[AJ84]

I’ve said this before to you and I will say it again: it lessens it tremendously. To us as men, it means nothing going from girlfriend to wife really. But to women, it does. I made this claim before this whole thread started and even before BE and AJ84 confirmed it (note that they didn’t even know that I had made this claim before either). Despite our online jousting match, this is still something that I will not deny holds true. You’re just wrong.

Oh quit it you pansy. I’ve already taken up your offer that if you send me $1,000 I will post a picture of me saying “I’mTheDoubleGreatest!” And I’ll even throw in another pic of my ID (with the address and name blurred out of course) so that you can see my birthday. But as soon as I said I’d take you up on that deal, you left the thread. I mean I’ve even posted multiple pictures of myself online before too that you can find, but hey I’ll do this one as well. For $1,000 of course.

If you say that High Score Theory isn’t real, then we can’t consider anything you say to be real either. Don’t go there. Anyone who’s seen varying levels of a woman’s attraction towards you AFTER the fact know that it’s true though. It’s just something you know through experience. You don’t even need to bang them because it’s more than initial attraction, it’s about BONDING. But no one has ever bonded to you because you’re just weird. You’ve never had a group of bros and never had a girl become extremely infatuated with you.

And I have already addressed a woman’s declining interest too:
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You have to resist her changing you while still letting her feel like you won’t leave her, without verbalizing it. That’s the secret. But you don’t know how to do that.

As for marriage, it does make sense to women because LABELS MATTER TO THEM. There is an unspoken agreement/acknowledgment after getting married. You don’t understand this either. I’m not even out of my teens and I can comprehend this. Do you?

You're right. For women who want to get married that label matters.

For some women, having that title, Mrs., wearing that ring, means to them and other women who are marriage minded that someone thought they were worth marrying. It's a status symbol. I was chosen.
When you consider that men are the gatekeepers of relationships and usually control how committed they will be, choosing to make that kind of commitment (on paper, in a ceremony) sends the message to other women that this married woman was worth marrying.

Now, before everyone goes apesh*t on me, let me disclaim that I know that being married doesn't guarantee commitment, security, or anything. It's a promise that someone chose to legally make to each other and promises are broken all the time. I'm also not saying that it's the only reason why some women want to get married.

But going back to some of the more unrealistic reasons why people get married, a part of that, for women, is that validation.

Just like the validation a guy feels when a hot model type girl wants to be your girlfriend. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. When a hot girl opens that gate for you, it's validation, you are worthy of getting in her pants. Most women won't f**k just anyone, and most men won't marry just anyone.

I'm rushing out the door so this may be rambling but I just wanted to reply to what ITDG posted.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

since i have things going on like making money, getting jacked, solving lifes problems for people an banging women, can someone pls cliffs this 9 page clusterfuk

Basically this:

All threads end in the same place.

I can't get quality women, the world sucks.

The world doesn't suck, you suck.

No, no, you don't get it. I'm a high quality person, but I can't meet high quality people, so the world sucks.

No, no, you don't get it. I'm a high quality person and only high quality people know about how to find high quality people.

Bullshyte, show me pictures!

I don't need to show you pictures. I'm super awesome and my super awesome skills let me see the other super awesome people in the world.

Bullshyte. Everybody's trash. Every's scamming everybody. I'm awesome and the world's broken.

Nope, I'm awesome and there are awesome people! You just suck!

Fvck you!

No, Fvck you!

What's interesting (to me at least) is how people use so many goddamn words to repeat those same ideas over and over again. Reading between the lines is pretty fun. Like a hobby...

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

If she really loved him she wouldn't demand marriage. Marriage is a legally binding financial contract that is only in favor of the female so really that Just makes her selfish and greedy.

That’s just the inherent behavior of women. If she isn’t desireable, it is the ultimate act of public shame because it means that her genes are defective. Keep in mind that a woman’s biggest fear is public shaming. That’s why people say they have a herd mentality. And if the herd rebukes her, then she has nothing left because she bases her entire self-worth off of that.

 

[Von]

That’s just the inherent behavior of women. If she isn’t desireable, it is the ultimate act of public shame because it means that her genes are defective. Keep in mind that a woman’s biggest fear is public shaming. That’s why people say they have a herd mentality. And if the herd rebukes her, then she has nothing left because she bases her entire self-worth off of that.

Than Marriage is also a herb mentality?

If I am ''married'' than means I am a prize or a treasure.... a status, a brand, desired etc...

It gives the ''ultimate security'' and ''world admiration''....

So that why women want it damn much? To feel desired above others and be a center of the herb?

My GF said its for God and access to everything (including her body and moving in together)... but you can see the ''security'' element is there....

Every atheist girls, I know want to be married... even if they been with the guy for 20 years and had their kids

And some guys too

Now also they could win ''financially from it'' (but that is changing.. in my country now they look at the top income provider without the genderbasis)

 

[Tenacity]

I’ve said this before to you and I will say it again: it lessens it tremendously. To us as men, it means nothing going from girlfriend to wife really. But to women, it does. I made this claim before this whole thread started and even before BE and AJ84 confirmed it (note that they didn’t even know that I had made this claim before either).

What does this have to do at all with the benefits/rewards/advantages or anything that a Man would receive by signing the contract? All you are stating is that the contract benefits women, we already know that.

Oh quit it you pansy. I’ve already taken up your offer that if you send me $1,000 I will post a picture of me saying “I’mTheDoubleGreatest!”

I actually deleted that statement but the fact is that you've been 17 for the entire TIME I've been posting on this forum. You should at least be 20 or 21 now because you damn sure were 17 when I started posting. So until you post a pic with a sign, I won't believe you and even then....you could still be a WOMAN and using your son or nephew to hold up that pic. So it's of my belief you are a woman. You say you aren't, until I see a pic or video or something otherwise, I will keep my opinion.

If you say that High Score Theory isn’t real, then we can’t consider anything you say to be real either. Don’t go there.

It's a "theory" ma'dam. I have my theory, Des has his theory. NONE of our theories are gospel nor statements of fact and thus, should not be used as a reference point to validate any stances of an argument.

As for marriage, it does make sense to women because LABELS MATTER TO THEM. There is an unspoken agreement/acknowledgment after getting married. You don’t understand this either. I’m not even out of my teens and I can comprehend this. Do you?

Again.........what does this have to do at all with the benefits/rewards/advantages or anything that a Man would receive by signing the contract? All you are stating is that the contract benefits women, we already know that.

It's amazing how people like you are still on this forum. Your passive-aggressive statements, specifically placed to try to "trigger" me to "bicker" with you, so you and your other girlfriend (@sazc) can finally achieve your goal of eliminating another Red Pill Commentator from the website.

Listen girlfriend, the gig is up. Nobody on this forum believes you are 17. Also for the simple fact that you keep referencing your age....is also a prime reason to not believe you are 17. Why not just make a regular account and be a woman? Why the fake profile?

Anyways, I digress.

 

[BeExcellent]

Again more head scratcher stuff.

Let's review.

I personally do not need a man's resources. I am already provisioned due my own accomplishments (accomplished while I also single handedly supported a family of 5 with no help whatsoever from family or government.)

Do I appreciate a man's protection & favor? Of course.

Life ain't fair @Soflobro and you are where you are because of your own choices, just as I am and just as we all are.

Funny that the chick is happy with her choices in life & her results (which included having to support and provision a man) and you are crying about how life isn't fair.

What did Poon King always say?

Cry More

 

[BeExcellent]

Than Marriage is also a herb mentality?

If I am ''married'' than means I am a prize or a treasure.... a status, a brand, desired etc...

It gives the ''ultimate security'' and ''world admiration''....

So that why women want it damn much? To feel desired above others and be a center of the herb?

My GF said its for God and access to everything (including her body and moving in together)... but you can see the ''security'' element is there....

Every atheist girls, I know want to be married... even if they been with the guy for 20 years and had their kids

And some guys too

Now also they could win ''financially from it'' (but that is changing.. in my country now they look at the top income provider without the genderbasis)

Von they look at the top income provider in the US also and have for years without the gender bias. Ask me how I know, lol.

 

[Tenacity]

Again more head scratcher stuff.

Let's review.

I personally do not need a man's resources. I am already provisioned due my own accomplishments (accomplished while I also single handedly supported a family of 5 with no help whatsoever from family or government.)

Do I appreciate a man's protection & favor? Of course.

Life ain't fair @Soflobro and you are where you are because of your own choices, just as I am and just as we all are.

Funny that the chick is happy with her choices in life & her results (which included having to support and provision a man) and you are crying about how life isn't fair.

What did Poon King always say?

Cry More

B.E. what @Soflobro said right here though is central theme of this discussion/debate though:

But you want to sit here and keep clinging on to the traditional aspects of gender dynamics that benefit WOMEN. This is more or less why a lot of us on here think you're RETARDED. You want your cake and to eat it too

No, I'm not talking about the thinking you are RETARDED part, I know you aren't RETARDED.....RETARDED people don't build huge net worths.

It's the notion that Women don't look out for THEIR best interest.

- MY argument centers on the best interest of the Man, why? Because I'm a MAN.

- Your argument centers on the best interest of Women, why? Because you're a WOMAN.

I have listed out, in complete detail, how the Marriage Contract does not provide benefits, rewards, advantages, or any type of life enhancements for over 90% of men.

Your response to this has been what I would expect.....where if you can't win on logic, business sense, and common sense, you instead will play to EMOTION. And you've done that very well.

It's pretty much the same stuff Black Lives Matter does, in those cases where Ray Ray The Thug got shot by the Cop. BLM can't win on logic, common sense, or anything of the sort....so they play to emotion with phrases such as, "But he was enrolled in college!" Or "But he was such as nice person!" They will play to EMOTION because the logic, details, evidence, stats, and other data on the case are completely un-win-able.

I don't understand why the other Men on this website don't understand WHY you're doing this. At the end of the day, IF YOU don't look out for your best interest.......then who will? All I've been doing is trying to get men to realize that they can do what's in their best interest going forward, they DON'T have to do shyt just because society or the church "says" it's what a "real man" is supposed to do.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

What does ths have to do at all with the benefits/rewards/advantages or anything that a Man would receive by signing the contract? All you are stating is that the contract benefits women, we already know that.



I actually deleted that statement but the fact is that you've been 17 for the entire TIME I've been posting on this forum. You should at least be 20 or 21 now because you damn sure were 17 when I started posting. So until you post a pic with a sign, I won't believe you and even then....you could still be a WOMAN and using your son or nephew to hold up that pic. So it's of my belief you are a woman. You say you aren't, until I see a pic or video or something otherwise, I will keep my opinion.



It's a "theory" ma'dam. I have my theory, Des has his theory. NONE of our theories are gospel nor statements of fact and thus, should not be used as a reference point to validate any stances of an argument.



Again.........what does this have to do at all with the benefits/rewards/advantages or anything that a Man would receive by signing the contract? All you are stating is that the contract benefits women, we already know that.

It's amazing how people like you are still on this forum. Your passive-aggressive statements, specifically placed to try to "trigger" me to "bicker" with you, so you and your other girlfriend (@sazc) can finally achieve your goal of eliminating another Red Pill Commentator from the website.

Listen girlfriend, the gig is up. Nobody on this forum believes you are 17. Also for the simple fact that you keep referencing your age....is also a prime reason to not believe you are 17. Why not just make a regular account and be a woman? Why the fake profile?

Anyways, I digress.

Okay let me explain this to you on a first grade level: You find good woman. Woman stays good. Relationship deepens and becomes stronger, more serious. Very wow, much happy. Woman STILL is good and even BETTER than before (i.e. cooking, cleaning, sweet towards you, etc.). You tell her no marriage. Woman leaves. Now good stuff go bye-bye. You cook now, you clean, you take care of house all by yourself. No woman to do that for you. ¿Comprende ese? Put two and two together, this should have been common sense to most folks. Yeah it sucks for men because you don't gain any direct benefits, but you do gain the INDIRECT benefits. AKA, woman stays doing nice things for you.

As for Desdinova's High Score Theory, it's the reason why everyone always says that virgins are clingy af. This should also be common sense too, blue pill retards without game even know this lmao

And I've probably told you this 3 other times already, but I'm 18 right now, almost 19. That's why if you click on my avatar, it will say "18". Shoot, I even have my birthday in my profile and your lazy ass can't even make 3 clicks. Look through my search history too, I've stated that I first found this place at 15 years old numerous times as well. You're just having confirmation bias. And like I said twice before already, I have posted pictures on here. Look them up. I even had a shirtless pic of me when I was 16 for almost 2 years. I'm not posting any more unless you pay me $1,000. No one on here doubts me as a guy. I don't even write like a girl. The fact that you can't discern speech from man to woman shows why you have social issues. People don't doubt me, but they sure as hell doubt your sanity. That's why you got banned too, even the mods thought you were a nutjob. I can even give you a three way call between me, sazc, and you, but I don't want you to have my number and I doubt she wants you to have hers too.

 

[BeExcellent]

B.E. what @Soflobro said right here though is central theme of this discussion/debate though:



No, I'm not talking about the thinking you are RETARDED part, I know you aren't RETARDED.....RETARDED people don't build huge net worths.

It's the notion that Women don't look out for THEIR best interest.

- MY argument centers on the best interest of the Man, why? Because I'm a MAN.

- Your argument centers on the best interest of Women, why? Because you're a WOMAN.

I have listed out, in complete detail, how the Marriage Contract does not provide benefits, rewards, advantages, or any type of life enhancements for over 90% of men.

Your response to this has been what I would expect.....where if you can't win on logic, business sense, and common sense, you instead will play to EMOTION. And you've done that very well.

It's pretty much the same stuff Black Lives Matter does, in those cases where Ray Ray The Thug got shot by the Cop. BLM can't win on logic, common sense, or anything of the sort....so they play to emotion with phrases such as, "But he was enrolled in college!" Or "But he was such as nice person!" They will play to EMOTION because the logic, details, evidence, stats, and other data on the case are completely un-win-able.

I don't understand why the other Men on this website don't understand WHY you're doing this. At the end of the day, IF YOU don't look out for your best interest.......then who will? All I've been doing is trying to get men to realize that they can do what's in their best interest going forward, they DON'T have to do shyt just because society or the church "says" it's what a "real man" is supposed to do.

Tenacity the beef I have with what he said & you quoted is that he has made an incorrect assumption that I embrace traditional gender dynamic that "benefit women". His words Tenacity & his assumption. Not mine. He is simply spinning things to support his argument.

My stance is fundamentally different. My stance supports the family unit with the father firmly in the leadership position. That's a monumentally different focus than what other posters try and assign to me.

My stance is that the traditional gender roles (established PRIOR to the sexual revolution -remember...I'm old...a child of the 60s...there are NO baby boomers in my family...my grandparents were survivors of the Great Depression & WWII) benefit everyone starting with the patriarch of the family.

Now that is OLD school. I'm a generation older than you & many of the men here...but my values come from folks the age of the great grandparents of some members here. I think equal work for equal pay is fine & women voting & being able to have a voice & ability to support themselves financially is fine...but really none of this is huge news historically.

Read Proverbs 31. Start around verse 10 where the wisdom of King Lemuel is written about "The Wife of Noble Character". That passage is wisdom passed down from over 2000 years ago. The issue of finding a good woman is ancient. Also note when you read the passage how industrious, entrepreneurial and admirable the wife is. She brings her family and her husband stature and pride amongst the influential. She is an asset to him.

THAT is how I see traditional gender roles.

The woman should be an asset to the man. That also means the man should have his endeavors that the woman can get behind, support and augment. Too few men meet that criteria anymore...and I fully realize you ARE a man with endeavors & ambitions a good woman would support and assist with.

Are there tons of women running around with my views & values? Nope. But there are a few. Most are already married. My daughters are being taught my values and how to be good partners & helpers & nurturers. I'm also teaching them discipline, achievement & my business skillset. What I teach will benefit them no matter if they choose to be devoted wives running a household and raising kids for/with their husbands or running their own business.

So my issue is with the value assignment people erroneously keep trying to pin on me. My values are as stated above and elsewhere in other threads.

 

[Tenacity]

Okay let me explain this to you on a first grade level:

Listen. You do not have to continue to throw personal attacks towards me. You can state whatever "point" that it is you want to make, without continuing to throw personal attacks towards me and trigger a "bickering" sequence.

You find good woman. Woman stays good. Relationship deepens and becomes stronger, more serious. Very wow, much happy. Woman STILL is good and even BETTER than before (i.e. cooking, cleaning, sweet towards you, etc.). You tell her no marriage. Woman leaves. Now good stuff go bye-bye. You cook now, you clean, you take care of house all by yourself. No woman to do that for you.

I will never allow a woman to cook and clean for me. I do all of that on my own and ANY man can do that for himself as well with modern technology. All a woman can provide is sex and companionship. And if one woman STOPS providing that, I can filter her out and get a replacement to provide the same exact thing.

So if your "argument" or "point" is that a man should sign a Marriage Contract (which makes no business sense for the man 90% of the time) because he wants a chick to COOK for him or run a vacuum across the floor....then that "argument" or "point" is completely and utterly inefficient.

Yeah it sucks for men because you don't gain any direct benefits, but you do gain the INDIRECT benefits. AKA, woman stays doing nice things for you.

You can cook and clean for yourself. You also have no idea how long the chick will "remain" in such happy and positive "state" going forward. Again, what are the DIRECT benefits, rewards, and advantages that a Man receives from signing a Marriage Contract? Stop with your "female like" personal attacks and answer a DIRECT question. If you have NO ANSWER, I understand because neither does anybody else in this discussion because there honestly is NO ANSWER.....which means a Man signing a Marriage contract is 90% of the time doing something that benefits other people but not himself.

As for Desdinova's High Score Theory, it's the reason why everyone always says that virgins are clingy af. This should also be common sense too, blue pill retards without game even know this lmao

Again, more "female-like" personal attacks followed up with "lol" or "lmao". Whatever POINT you are trying to make, can be made without this crap. I suggest you edit your posts. Now, in regards to "virgins" being clingy AF, that's subjective and case-by-case.

I'm not posting any more unless you pay me $1,000.

The fact that you can't discern speech from man to woman shows why you have social issues.

That's why you got banned too, even the mods thought you were a nutjob.

I can even give you a three way call between me, sazc, and you, but I don't want you to have my number and I doubt she wants you to have hers too.

Didn't I say that @sazc and her "buddy" here were trying hard to remove the Red Pill Posters off the website? What is ITDF's statements above trying to do? That's right....provoke me into bickering back and forth. I mean, look how HARD ITDF is trying to do it though.....I'm ready for this "person" to start cracking "momma" jokes.

Tell you what I'm going to do though, as I know what you and @sazc's agenda is, I'm going to report your post. And I'm going to see if the Moderators (who are clearly in @sazc corner) remove, edit, or give you a warning for clearly flaming another poster. And I'm doing that because I'm tired of the double standard where other Red Pill commentators are banned, but people like YOU can just continue to make these "statements" and nothing happens.

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity the beef I have with what he said & you quoted is that he has made an incorrect assumption that I embrace traditional gender dynamic that "benefit women". His words Tenacity & his assumption. Not mine. He is simply spinning things to support his argument.

My stance is fundamentally different. My stance supports the family unit with the father firmly in the leadership position. That's a monumentally different focus than what other posters try and assign to me.

My stance is that the traditional gender roles (established PRIOR to the sexual revolution -remember...I'm old...a child of the 60s...there are NO baby boomers in my family...my grandparents were survivors of the Great Depression & WWII) benefit everyone starting with the patriarch of the family.

Now that is OLD school. I'm a generation older than you & many of the men here...but my values come from folks the age of the great grandparents of some members here. I think equal work for equal pay is fine & women voting & being able to have a voice & ability to support themselves financially is fine...but really none of this is huge news historically.

Read Proverbs 31. Start around verse 10 where the wisdom of King Lemuel is written about "The Wife of Noble Character". That passage is wisdom passed down from over 2000 years ago. The issue of finding a good woman is ancient. Also note when you read the passage how industrious, entrepreneurial and admirable the wife is. She brings her family and her husband stature and pride amongst the influential. She is an asset to him.

THAT is how I see traditional gender roles.

The woman should be an asset to the man. That also means the man should have his endeavors that the woman can get behind, support and augment. Too few men meet that criteria anymore...and I fully realize you ARE a man with endeavors & ambitions a good woman would support and assist with.

Are there tons of women running around with my views & values? Nope. But there are a few. Most are already married. My daughters are being taught my values and how to be good partners & helpers & nurturers. I'm also teaching them discipline, achievement & my business skillset. What I teach will benefit them no matter if they choose to be devoted wives running a household and raising kids for/with their husbands or running their own business.

So my issue is with the value assignment people erroneously keep trying to pin on me. My values are as stated above and elsewhere in other threads.

See here's the thing B.E.......I agree with everything you just said.

My main issue with Marriage isn't even the Woman. No woman is perfect. I have found and I'm dating DECENT ENOUGH women right now that I could do some sort of "commitment" with.

The problem is the Marriage Contract.

You see people fall in love and they fall out of love. It happens. When people fall out of love, nobody should be taken to the cleaners. Nobody's child should be taken away or "time with the child" reduced down to 4 days out of a 30 day month. Nobody should have to pay a lifetime monthly check to someone they are no longer in love with or married to.

Do you agree with this? If the answer is Yes, then we honestly have no disagreement. You are saying there's nobody "perfect" but "decent enough" people exist that make a commitment worthwhile.....and I AGREE with that. But if you are also in agreement about my statement on the Marriage Contract, then we have no Disagreement anywhere.

Tenacity will consider getting Married when the Marriage Contract is completely, utterly, changed and updated for a 21st century dating market. I cannot sign the Marriage Contract in the current form and no Prenup that I've seen or heard of can make that Contract efficient.

For example, I could very well marry a "decent enough" chick and make my kid or kids with her. We can stay married for a good 10 or 12 years, then cut it loose. By the time we cut it loose, the kids are 10 or 12 anyway and only about 5 to 7 years away from graduating high school. The argument that raising kids in a 2 parent household is a good argument. I like that point. But I can't do it with the current Marriage Contract Structure. I can't do it because it's like I can't get out of it without HELL breaking loose and if the woman cuts it off then again, HELL breaks loose.

I want it where I can get in.....do the little "marriage stuff".....but get the hell out whenever I see fit or when she sees fit, without anybody getting screwed in the process.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Women want marriage when they feel it benefits them financially or socially. However, when their finances are at potential risk (BE, for example, is now concerned that it could hurt her financially) they won't push the marriage agenda because it could hurt them.

And with regard to BE getting "dumped on", my opinion is that she can handle herself just fine.

-Augustus-

But to be fair, many here often mention how a woman's 'window of opportunity' is a lot shorter than a man's. And if she is motivated by what is in her best interest [life interest not necessarily financial interest], just as men are supposedly, she would naturally be looking to secure her future.... that is, if she knew what was best for her. You can hardly blame a woman for that right?

 

[highSpeed]

The problem here is simply that these men are howling because someone reacted viscerally to the statement I made because it really bugs them on a deep level. You see some men here deep down actually WOULD like to be with a great woman for life. These guys are still carrying around that fantasy but some refuse to become good enough men and some say they are never getting married because of fear of failure. 50% of marriages fail? OK. That's the go to stat everybody likes to use around here. That means 50% succeed as well. Are you a winner or a loser? Can you screen and pick a great woman? Are you good enough in the looks/finances/status categories to attract a great woman? Can you manage risk? Some cannot wrap their brain around the fact that women worthy of marriage desire marriage. Period. Yes there is an agenda. Of course. Just like men who plan never to get married also have an agenda. I mean water is wet and grass is green. How is any of this a surprise?

Was I baited with this whole thread? Possibly. Do men run into the repercussions of being left behind by women who prefer at the end of the day to be married? Obviously. Don't whine. Get better. Become a man who has so much abundance it doesn't matter if one woman leaves you...you are sought after by others just like her. That is the message of this entire community. I have enough value that I have choices among high value men, yes even at my age, and yes, even though I have children already. So if something doesn't work out and I wish to date someone else? I have choices. Create choices for yourselves guys and then none of this discussion is going to affect you at all UNLESS honestly, deep down, you DO want a great woman who is some variety or ride or die/quality/worthy, etc.

@highSpeed said above that there are few good women. Well no shjt Sherlock. That means the law of supply and demand is working here. Great women are in high demand. Guess what? That means they get to name their price since they are very sought after. Their price in most instances, is marriage. And that, gentlemen, is where your own choice comes into play. You get to choose too. You can say Nope, marriage is too high a price...and the great women will say "OK. See Ya." Don't cry about it. Go get another woman!!! Right?

Oh wait. That's HARD because there are so few. OK you have 4 choices. Here they are:

1. Become such a sought after man that you have endless choice in the market place
2. Realize and accept that your relationships might end up being temporary once the girl finds you are not a marriage candidate and bolts
3. Reconsider your own stance regarding marriage
4. Date the remaning "trash" out there on the market and call it good.

Fact is most of you are option 3 guys deep down if you run into the woman who ticks all the boxes. A few of you are option 1 men, who have the luxury of choice, and the rest are option 2 guys (but some really deep down want their cake (the great chick - if they can find one) and eat it too (no marriage.) Good luck with that. Those guys are ticked they end up as option 4 guys.

What's laughable is that every beef these guys have with women has now been assigned to me personally along the way in the thread. My personal favorite is deesade saying that my stance is "don't think...FEEL". There isn't a single post I've made along those lines anywhere on SS that I'm aware of, so now we have guys who are liars assigning me things that I never did nor said, and spinning the things that I have said. So yes, there is plenty of gaslighting going on, I'm simply not the one doing it.

Marriage is a bad deal? Fine. Don't do it. And don't tell me how bad divorce court is. I've been there as the as the breadwinner & the one with assets on the line at the end of the day. So I was the one at risk. Because I already have children & my assets have things to fund (like college and retirement) it does not make since to put those assets at risk now because divorce court is a shjt show and nobody cares about morality there anymore (which I think is too bad.)

But understand that MANY if not MOST women, particularly of young child bearing age are NOT going to just date you indefinitely if you are a man who is never going to marry. Nope. If they have a need to get married to have babies and/or envision being a wife and mother one day, you'll lose them eventually whether they branch swing or break up with you. SORRY. You make your choices, they make their choices. That's just the way it is out there in the world.

Some of you guys are in relationships that are long standing where marriage may not be on the agenda. That's wonderful. But if marriage IS on her agenda then eventually she'll push for it, and when it becomes obvious that it isn't in the cards she'll be gone sooner or later.

Once again, no matter how much you frantically type on the keyboard, waste a bunch of meaningless words and use formatting, you don't really know anything. Why you're on here, a forum for men, I have no idea. You spew out things that essentially, speak from your experiences, which are by nature, very limited and myopic in perspective. You don't speak for everyone. You don't know everyone's situation. Fine, for once, and you're the rarity, your assets were on the line. Wow, consider yourself the rarity. The vast majority of the time, the man is the breadwinner and it is his assets on the line. Even so, you still get better treatment than most men in divorce court. Look at the numbers, the actual hard numbers and research proves it. Guys get worse treatment, no matter whether they come in as the breadwinner or stay at home parent. You have to be a pretty screwed up woman to not at least get 50/50 custody, that's literally the worst you can do for the most part. A guy? The best he can hope for is 50/50 custody. Why is that exactly? So away go your resources and your relationship with your kids. I wonder why more and more women act and behave in an extremely irresponsible manner?

And what society is doing to women, you should be fearful of where society is going. Most people, men included, need some type of parameters in place, punishments and rewards, to behave properly. So was this really a good woman if she needs some societal punishments in place to behave properly? Probably not but in reality, eventually, they could be trained up into something respectable. Now, without training and society in place? You have most women who are not marriage material. Society, in it's rush to "empower" women, have actually dis-empowered them. It's just that most women are too stupid to realize it.

Most guys, myself included, want a quality, long term relationship. I'm not stupid because I didn't protect my assets from my wife before we got married. I was naive and noble in intentions but I never expected my wife to behave like an entitled brat. She presented herself much differently when we were dating. I know, I know, everyone can put on a face for a period of time. I never had the male tutor who could train me up in the ways of appropriately dealing with women. I took the way I acted, the intentions that I bring to a relationship and expect my wife, to apply them the same way. Be respectful. Don't undermine me to the kids. Be affectionate towards me. Take care of me. In return and apparently, even when she doesn't do these things, I: am respectful. I push the children to listen to their mother. I rub her back. I rub her feet. I buy her flowers. I provide her with a nice house, car, money. I do my part. She doesn't do her part. I never, ever, would have expected her to act like this. She was vice president at a bank, took care of animals and genuinely seemed to be interested in me as a person. Did I probably pedastalize her too much at the beginning? No doubt I did. Being nice is not a crime. Being a good person is not something to be looked down upon. And in most situations, that would probably help me. In this situation? Terrible idea. A male tutor, a father figure, would have smacked me in the head. Hell, at this point, I would have kicked me in the balls for doing this and told me to start over with someone else.

But please, don't pretend like it's something that the "nice" guy is doing wrong. I should be able to be over the top nice to my significant other. She should do the same for me. It's not something the guy is doing wrong in most cases but the over entitled society we live in always has women trolling for the next guy that gives them the tingles to move on to. YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, PERIOD!!!!