BeExcellent: "Nothing short of marriage is exclusive to be perfectly honest"

[zekko]

This is what the women do who are the best wife/mother candidates. They keep moving until they find a man who is similarly serious about family.

I do agree that this is generally true. If you think about it, it's perfectly logical, which I think is funny. Because the seduction community tells you women do everything based on emotion (not logic), and they would likely tell you a girl will keep moving on until they find an @sshole alpha type.

Women's bodes are built to have children, so it's no surprise this is usually one of their life goals. Most men want to have families too, but the divorce rate, child support, and western legal system make it much more risky and dangerous for them than for women. It's unfortunate.

I've never really wanted children, and I'm too old to think about it now. But I've been fortunate enough to find quality women who did not want children either, which is pretty rare.

 

[Tenacity]

Yeah man. I hope I don't get banned for saying this but honestly, I wish that part of the black community would just die off!!!

That's what needs to happen at this point, because black women love the worst type of black men that they can find, and ignore the scholarly types until later. But honestly, I have to conclude that most black women have inferior intellects, they along with thirty percent of black men have ruined the community and need to be eradicated.

Sorry mods..

Yes, I said it, I wish all the thugs and thug lovers, along with the simp enablers would just die!!!

I think the Black Community is in need of a Civil War. Seriously.

This mentality of "white systematic racism" keeps the Black Community in this "we have to fight against a common enemy" type of mentality and it's honestly hurting us. I think this "we are all in this together" non-sense needs to be eliminated and the DECENT BLACK PEOPLE need to separate themselves from the N-WORDS.

Decent Black People aren't allowed to call Ray Ray, Pookie, and Tyquesha what they are......CANCERS to being black in 2018. They set us back, keep giving racists material to use against blacks as a whole, and they are a complete/utter embarrassment.

Yes, the Black Community as a whole goes through various struggles, but the vast majority of us are DECENT BLACK PEOPLE who bust our a.ss and climb up the ranks. Ray Ray, Pookie, and Tyquesha want to sit around smoking weed all day, sippin E&J, and listening to JEEZZYYYY, while they collect food stamps, WIC, Section 8, and sell weed on the side.

I'm tired of defending these folks and having to stand by these folks. Other than the color of our skin, I have not a damn thing in common with Ray Ray. I'm honestly tired of Ray Ray.

 

[Tenacity]

Yeah man. I hope I don't get banned for saying this but honestly, I wish that part of the black community would just die off!!!

That's what needs to happen at this point, because black women love the worst type of black men that they can find, and ignore the scholarly types until later. But honestly, I have to conclude that most black women have inferior intellects, they along with thirty percent of black men have ruined the community and need to be eradicated.

Sorry mods..

Yes, I said it, I wish all the thugs and thug lovers, along with the simp enablers would just die!!!

Plus, remember this thread here when Ray Ray threatened me lol:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/tenacity-gets-threatened-by-a-thug-listen-lol.233962/

I've received a couple anonymous voicemails from various Ray Rays and Pookies. Smh

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

Plus, remember this thread here when Ray Ray threatened me lol:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/tenacity-gets-threatened-by-a-thug-listen-lol.233962/

I've received a couple anonymous voicemails from various Ray Rays and Pookies. Smh

Yep, all true, seriously!! At this point you will probably never find a black female worthy of anything beyond a pump and dump. If your still fuucking with them, well you'll get what you bargin for.

Esp, the kind that go for the and ray rays, pookies and trays.

Don't even talk about marrying one, hell naw!!!

But i don't want to hijack this ladies thread.

I'll get at you later.

 

[BeExcellent]

Completely different time, culture, and market B.E. The women back then got married to ONE guy when they were 18 to 21. There was no Ray Ray and Pookie "thug dyck amusement park riding" going on back then, then once the chick turned 28 she looked to settle down with some dude and make him take care of 4 kids from 4 thugs who are locked up in 4 different prisons.

You can't compare that Generation to my Generation (Millennials). You can't compare that. Plus, just the difference in cost of living, women now being able to get jobs EASIER than a lot of men can, etc.



Exactly.



But I'm not sure why you keep repeating this specific statement lol?

- B.E., do you walk into a restaurant to eat where there's mice running across the floor? WHY? It's because it's a health risk right? So what if I told you: "Well, B.E., life has risk.....anywhere you eat can have a health risk, so just go ahead and sit down and let this filthy restaurant serve you." What would you say to that lol??

- So B.E., I have a piece of property I want you to buy. But you inspect the property and the area, and determine that it's not worth investing in because your analysis shows that you probably won't be able to turn a profit flipping the house nor renting it out. So what if I told you:"Well....B.E.....life has risk, many properties aren't profitable, but you have to take a risk. So where do you want to sign at for the purchase of this property? Would you be paying via Cashier's Check?"

- So B.E., I'm a Sales Rep for Comcast. I want to sell you my TV, Phone, and Internet Package. You like the customized package I've provided but you notice that the term of the Agreement is 10 years with a $15,000 early cancellation fee. You request that I reduce down the early cancellation fee and I say: "Well....B.E....life has risk, we are a solid company and you won't need to cancel, but should you need to cancel, the $15,000 cancellation fee is just a part of Life. Again, life has risks. So how would you like for me to send you the contract to sign? Via email or fax? Could you fax it back today?

You don't SIGN UP for things that make your life more risky WITHOUT any identified rewards, benefits, advantages, or any life enhancements whatsoever to be acquired. If someone is presenting you a bad deal, a bad contract, a bad arrangement.........the last thing anybody should say to you is that "Life Has Risks" as some sort of justification to sign a BAD CONTRACT.

Lol, B.E. I could just imagine saying something like that to a client. I mean let's just say I really put some hidden fees in there, bump up his early termination fee, all types of shyt to where it's just a very bad contract.....then when the client asks me to modify the very bad contract....I tell his a.ss: "Sir, Life Has Risks"

Well Tenacity all I can tell you is there is risk in everything we do, from choosing to get in a car and subject ourselves to other drivers on the roads at any given time to trusting the airline pilots and the equipment in commercial air travel to sending kids to school (sad how much risk that carries these days.)

Society requires trust to function. And structure. The family unit has long been the basic building block of society and culture. I think there is intrinsic value in the family unit defined as the nuclear family.

And young women who want families want that family unit. I still don't find this to be news.

Neither do I think me or anybody else pointing that out is sharing anything groundbreaking.

Augustus wanted my comment clarified so he started the thread. Simple.

 

[skinnyguy]

Well Tenacity all I can tell you is there is risk in everything we do, from choosing to get in a car and subject ourselves to other drivers on the roads at any given time to trusting the airline pilots and the equipment in commercial air travel to sending kids to school (sad how much risk that carries these days.)

Society requires trust to function. And structure. The family unit has long been the basic building block of society and culture. I think there is intrinsic value in the family unit defined as the nuclear family.

And young women who want families want that family unit. I still don't find this to be news.

Neither do I think me or anybody else pointing that out is sharing anything groundbreaking.

Augustus wanted my comment clarified so he started the thread. Simple.

A very small percentage of men want to be DJ's. Most guys want to get married in their 20's and settle down. Women have tons of males to choose from who would drop everything and marry them.

The reason your posts are critiqued is because you're focusing on the woman's interest( marriage, children, etc) which is the opposite of what most guys here want.

 

[BeExcellent]

A very small percentage of men want to be DJ's. Most guys want to get married in their 20's and settle down. Women have tons of males to choose from who would drop everything and marry them.

The reason your posts are critiqued is because you're focusing on the woman's interest( marriage, children, etc) which is the opposite of what most guys here want.

Agreed. I have no issue with that. I was asked to explain a prior comment. I know my view does not always resonate here. Other times it's useful. It's like scouting film. Sometimes it's useful to know how the other side plays ball.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Well Tenacity all I can tell you is there is risk in everything we do, from choosing to get in a car and subject ourselves to other drivers on the roads at any given time to trusting the airline pilots and the equipment in commercial air travel to sending kids to school (sad how much risk that carries these days.)

Society requires trust to function. And structure. The family unit has long been the basic building block of society and culture. I think there is intrinsic value in the family unit defined as the nuclear family.

And young women who want families want that family unit. I still don't find this to be news.

Neither do I think me or anybody else pointing that out is sharing anything groundbreaking.

Augustus wanted my comment clarified so he started the thread. Simple.

Something struck me as I read BE's comment here. And perhaps it's obvious, I've actually read it before from other sources. And I believe that BE may have mentioned it before in this thread.

Some of this is a class and money issue. BE comes from a different segment of society than many of the guys on this forum. She was raised in a world (decade wise, status wise and money wise) that a fair amount of people did not experience.

As society has changed, long term marriages have become less common in middle and lower middle class families for a host of reasons. However, it seems possible that marriage has remained fairly strong (with some exceptions i'm sure) in upper middle and upper income families. Perhaps one of the reasons for this is a recognition from women that the doctor/lawyer/successful business man they married, by and large meets their hypergamous ideal (they won't do any better in the SMV).

So, if this is true, it's quite possible that BE and perhaps others are simply out of touch with the harsh reality that many middle to lower income people experience in the marriage and family dynamic of today's society.

-Augustus-

 

[BeExcellent]

Something struck me as I read BE's comment here. And perhaps it's obvious, I've actually read it before from other sources. And I believe that BE may have mentioned it before in this thread.

Some of this is a class and money issue. BE comes from a different segment of society than many of the guys on this forum. She was raised in a world (decade wise, status wise and money wise) that a fair amount of people did not experience.

As society has changed, long term marriages have become less common in middle and lower middle class families for a host of reasons. However, it seems possible that marriage has remained fairly strong (with some exceptions i'm sure) in upper middle and upper income families. Perhaps one of the reasons for this is a recognition from women that the doctor/lawyer/successful business man they married, by and large meets their hypergamous ideal (they won't do any better in the SMV).

So, if this is true, it's quite possible that BE and perhaps others are simply out of touch with the harsh reality that many middle to lower income people experience in the marriage and family dynamic of today's society.

-Augustus-

You know Augustus, I got to thinking in the context of what you said in your response.

And I think it's true to a degree. Of all my renters for example, and this is in dozens of units...and there are two. Both in my two highest end houses. One a military family who live right across the street from the husbands parents, the other a young nuclear family from an established family in town.

However most of my friends and people I regularly interact with are married. The ratio is reversed. I would certainly attribute that to socioeconomic circumstance to a large degree. The women on average are very pretty and the men well off.

Some of the wealthy men I know and date really like & prefer to be married. They like high maintanence expensive women and it makes them feel good to showcase their wealth that way. They can afford it so why not? That attitude amongst men really surprised me when I first heard men talk about it so directly, but really that embodies an abundance mentality, which makes sense.

And those kind of men routinely end up with gorgeous women...frequently who are also smart, kind and feminine. Quid pro quo? Perhaps.

That's why men (in my opinion) are well advised to become the best version of themselves they can. As we both know men choose women based largely on physical attributes. Women choose men largely on results or potential for results. So...the better a man's results in life, the more and better choices he is afforded. The better the women he can choose from become.

 

[Tenacity]

Well Tenacity all I can tell you is there is risk in everything we do,

Why do you keep saying this over and overr?

Society requires trust to function.

Right so B.E., the next time a tenant wants to lease out one of your rooms or your properties in general, remember that "society requires trust to function" so don't do a background check, compliance check, employment check, credit check, previous tenant information check, or anything.....just TRUST that the tenant will be a good and paying tenant

The family unit has long been the basic building block of society and culture. I think there is intrinsic value in the family unit defined as the nuclear family.

You do realize in the Black Community, 80% of households are single parent right? You do realize that the Single Mother "stuff" is a THING in all other races right now, right?

The traditional "family unit" has been long destroyed B.E. That time period is done and over with.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

You know Augustus, I got to thinking in the context of what you said in your response.

And I think it's true to a degree. Of all my renters for example, and this is in dozens of units...and there are two. Both in my two highest end houses. One a military family who live right across the street from the husbands parents, the other a young nuclear family from an established family in town.

However most of my friends and people I regularly interact with are married. The ratio is reversed. I would certainly attribute that to socioeconomic circumstance to a large degree. The women on average are very pretty and the men well off.

Some of the wealthy men I know and date really like & prefer to be married. They like high maintanence expensive women and it makes them feel good to showcase their wealth that way. They can afford it so why not? That attitude amongst men really surprised me when I first heard men talk about it so directly, but really that embodies an abundance mentality, which makes sense.

And those kind of men routinely end up with gorgeous women...frequently who are also smart, kind and feminine. Quid pro quo? Perhaps.

That's why men (in my opinion) are well advised to become the best version of themselves they can. As we both know men choose women based largely on physical attributes. Women choose men largely on results or potential for results. So...the better a man's results in life, the more and better choices he is afforded. The better the women he can choose from become.

What are the ages of the wealthy men you date and what is their physical appearance? And I don't mean their clothes, how do they look physically?

How do you know they are wealthy? And why do you think they are single if they are wealthy, high value men?

-Augustus-

 

[Urbanyst]

Precisely. And it's fairly common knowledge that male likelyhood to marry goes down as years pass and experience grows. It falls sharply at 35 in a general sense (iirc). It fell drastically at 20 years old for me. I'd had 4 or 5 girlfriends by then, which doesn't sound like much, but is apparantly half the amount of women the average male has in his entire lifetime (10). The average guy is getting married because he's naive, gullible, and thirsty.

What women can't comprehend is that a decision to not provide being an educated experienced decision. And I'm incredibly bored of trying to explain that. It's like trying to explain politics to a cat.

People who try to pressure you into doing something completely contrary to your self-interest, and have no care for discussing or understanding your view, have zero real respect for you as a person.

They have even less interest in a progressive frame.

The frame is so fvcking weak, and transcended so easily. To keep lowering oneself back down into it is only done for female validation.

Same way that you have guys dismissing their own infield experience in favour of what beexcellent said. Or another thread about what their 3 sisters said. Or another about what a "hot 40 year old cougar said".

Who gives a flying fvck what they say?

Actions, not words. Trust your infield experience only. Stop being so desperate for female validation that each thought needs to be signed with a woman's approval.

Fantastic post. Would give it 50 likes if I could.

While we have our arguments sometimes.. you nailed it here.

 

[Urbanyst]

Well Tenacity all I can tell you is there is risk in everything we do, from choosing to get in a car and subject ourselves to other drivers on the roads at any given time to trusting the airline pilots and the equipment in commercial air travel to sending kids to school (sad how much risk that carries these days.)

Society requires trust to function. And structure. The family unit has long been the basic building block of society and culture. I think there is intrinsic value in the family unit defined as the nuclear family.

LOL.

Driving, air travel and school are all far more NECESSARY than marriage.

When something is necessary... you suck it up and take the risk. Marriage is not necessary. Therefore, its stupid.

I know you will never change your mind on the matter because your view on marriage is not logical.

 

[Urbanyst]

A man with experience is not at the mercy of a woman with an idea.

Ask yourself one simple question: is this woman here to learn, or is she here to lead? And then ban accordingly.

I've got very little interest in aggressive women Irl, and much less so here.

Did pook have to put up with women's negs whilst he discussed game? Did Rollo?

Poon did, I have, and so have others. And that simply shouldn't happen here.

The rules are lax, because they had women like penkitten and livethedream who were submissive rather than subversive. Change it, and watch the quality of discussion improve dramatically.

@BeExcellent is definitely here to LEAD.

She isn't interested in "learning" sh*t. I figured that out a while ago lol.

While she might provide value to some people here, its important for guys like us to keep her in check when she goes of the rails with blue pill sh*t and other useless dogma.

The ladies on this forum prove that women are always women first and people second. Same with men. The two genders really ARE different and have different priorities.

 

[BeExcellent]

What are the ages of the wealthy men you date and what is their physical appearance? And I don't mean their clothes, how do they look physically?

How do you know they are wealthy? And why do you think they are single if they are wealthy, high value men?

-Augustus-

Augustus it really doesn't matter. They are high value and they are handsome to the degree that they have their pick among women. I know because I know these people. I can't say why they are single. They are. I know a couple prefer to be married, others prefer not to be married, others would entertain it if the right woman came along. Just like the guys here.

I've listed them out before (I think at your request) and that just invites people who either don't believe me or think I'm a show off.

Men pick me because I am more than a pretty face and a hot body. I date men who can get hot women; pretty women all day. They could date younger women (and some have or do). Without exception they want more than hot/pretty. Hot/pretty is their baseline. Just like handsome/sexy/successful is my baseline.

When you are doing things right you start at whatever your baseline is, and then you look at attraction and compatibility. That's what I do, and what I observe the high value men I date and who I observe in the market doing.

 

[BeExcellent]

I offer my advice when I think its worth offering. I do plenty of learning too. I'm not a woman with an idea. I'm a woman with life experience. Sometimes that experience is useful to someone else. If it isn't useful to you, ignore it. Easy.

But this notion that somehow my advice is more dangerous than someone else's advice actually assigns my advice higher, rather than lower value. You guys see that right? We can't have a woman exerting dangerous influence around here among the weak minded.

I disagree with the implied premise from deesade that the men here are weak. Strong men are not going to be affected by anything I say just because I'm a chick. They'll take it or leave it.

 

[Tenacity]

I offer my advice when I think its worth offering. I do plenty of learning too. I'm not a woman with an idea. I'm a woman with life experience. Sometimes that experience is useful to someone else. If it isn't useful to you, ignore it. Easy.

But this notion that somehow my advice is more dangerous than someone else's advice actually assigns my advice higher, rather than lower value. You guys see that right? We can't have a woman exerting dangerous influence around here among the weak minded.

I disagree with the implied premise from deesade that the men here are weak. Strong men are not going to be affected by anything I say just because I'm a chick. They'll take it or leave it.

B.E. you know I'm fair and balanced on this (at least I try to be lol). I think what @deesade and @Urbanyst are touching on is the fact that people like myself have completely listed out and detailed.....in very logical and critical fashion, how Marriage does NOT provide any additional rewards, benefits, or social advantages to a Man in at least 95% of the cases, but instead, it's just a MAN giving his resources, energy, time, and even life over to another in some form or fashion.

- When I listed that, your response wasn't a logical one, which would have been: "Tenacity, you know your crazy a.ss is right, but in about 1% to 5% of the cases marriage could make sense for a Man if X, Y, and Z situation are present."

- Instead, your response has been all over the place, your first response was: "Well, Tenacity, you are just too negative and you need to think more positive about things."

- Then, your next response was: "Well, Tenacity, life has risks and you can't go through life without taking risks."

- Then, your final response was : "Well, Tenacity, society can't function without some level of trust."

Now, B.E., what do all 3 of your responses have in common? If you said they are all EMOTIONAL arguments, then you would have answered correctly.

B.E. you are a successful business woman and your success came through logical and critical thinking skills (which you NEED for real estate investing), you did not succeed in investing through random "emotional" arguments.

Marriage is a business B.E. The paperwork is filed in the "Corporations/Business Entities" section of Sec. Of State, where all of the other LLCs, C-Corps, S-Corps, and other Business Entity records are kept. You have to sign up for Marriage and when you want to exit it, you have to sign out of it....all through the management of the Family Court System.

What has baffled me with our discussion B.E., is NOT that you're a woman, but it's that you are a business-minded SUCCESSFUL woman.......who refuses to apply the same logical and critical thinking aspects to the Marriage Business Contract, like you apply to ALL OTHER Business Contracts.

 

[Urbanyst]

But this notion that somehow my advice is more dangerous than someone else's advice actually assigns my advice higher, rather than lower value. You guys see that right? We can't have a woman exerting dangerous influence around here among the weak minded.

Females are notorious for turning weakness into strength.

"I'm just a lady! I'm harmless! Are you really afraid of little old me? You're supposed to be a strong man!"

If you really believe you have no influence on the minds of men... why are you even here? LOL

I disagree with the implied premise from deesade that the men here are weak. Strong men are not going to be affected by anything I say just because I'm a chick. They'll take it or leave it.

You sound silly speaking in absolutes. Some men here are strong and some are weak. Just like everywhere else.

A lot of guys start out here because they are lost, confused or curious. If you're writing a bunch of dogmatic horse sh*t and you sound convincing enough you could easily send a guy down the wrong path. Because in terms of relationships, female values are different than male values. This place is about whats important to guys not women. That's why some of the guys here don't like having female posters. It muddies the waters.

You'll notice guys like to live by simple cause and effect rules. Women like to create confusion and f*ck with guys emotions creating doubt, uncertainty and insecurity. @Tenacity pointed out how you are "all over the place" in your arguments. That is typical of females. Inconsistent, confusing and fraudulent. But that's how women like it because that's the situation that gives them the most power. When things are clear cut.. men have more power.

 

[zekko]

The reason your posts are critiqued is because you're focusing on the woman's interest( marriage, children, etc) which is the opposite of what most guys here want.

I think there are actually quite a few guys here that would love to have a good marriage and be a patriarch of their own family, there are plenty of rewards in that. But they are slapped in the face by the reality that in the modern world, marriage has given over most of the advantages to women, and most of the risks to men. When guys talk about the "red pill", they are talking about coming to terms with the idea that modern women are not reliable or conscientious enough to be good wives, and the legal system being stacked against them. And they do that with a considerable bit of sadness - which is why they talk about the red pill being hard to swallow.

 

[Tenacity]

I think there are actually quite a few guys here that would love to have a good marriage and be a patriarch of their own family, there are plenty of rewards in that. But they are slapped in the face by the reality that in the modern world, marriage has given over most of the advantages to women, and most of the risks to men. When guys talk about the "red pill", they are talking about coming to terms with the idea that modern women are not reliable or conscientious enough to be good wives, and the legal system being stacked against them. And they do that with a considerable bit of sadness - which is why they talk about the red pill being hard to swallow.

I very much believe we are in a transitional period, where HALF of us are looking back at a tradition that's rapidly dying off but trying to keep it alive........where the other HALF are looking forward as tradition is dying off but hasn't honestly seen a clear picture of what's next?

For example, HALF of us have logically, critically, etc., broken down how the current state of the Marriage/Family Court System does not make sense for the vast majority of Men to entertain. Okay.....but NOW WHAT? What's the next step? That's something we have not CLEARLY defined yet. We would usually just tell a guy to keep spinning plates, but in NO TIME IN HISTORY has a man literally set out to spend his life spinning plates.

So while the HALF of us that have logically, critically, etc., diagnosed a problem with the current structure, what we have honestly FAILED to do is come up with what the NEW STRUCTURE looks like? Okay, so we tell a guy not to get married......now what??

IF you asked me, I honestly don't know. While continuing to spin plates is the LOGICAL thing to do, I'm not going to lie........I still feel some sort of internal discomfort with it. But despite that discomfort, I KNOW I can't do the Marriage shyt. So it's like most of us are kind of stuck in this rut right now and we really have no clear direction of what the future holds for this.