anyone pickup callgirls?

[picard]

Has anyone pick up a call girl for a fling? I pick up call girls a few times. It was very enjoyable compare to gf. There is no baggage or problem.

I think a call girl experience is as exciting as smoking weed without the hallucination. of course, I use protection.

 

[Dedication]

Does your mother count? :crackup:

Alright alright i'll be serious, those girls are my goal right now because i don't want a gf.

 

[wjh]

I wouldn't call it picking them up... As there is no real skill involved.

I personally like the chase, and prefer a girl who is as into me (or more) than not.

The benefits of an easy-lay and no baggage don't counter the psychological effects of feeling like a loser, possibly getting arrested, robbed, or catching an STD that could kill me.

I also think it stunts your growth. If you really want to improve your success with women (on your terms), improving your inner/outer game is much more effective in the long run than settling for a prostitute.

 

[picard]

protection is the name of the game. Call girl isn't some street hooker. I pick the finest of Spitzer girl.

 

[speed dawg]

Out of curiosity, how much money do you drop on a hooker picard? And how long does that buy you?

 

[Deep Dish]

I think a call girl experience is as exciting as smoking weed without the hallucination

... but more expensive than 8-balls of cocaine.

Personally, I've been with two high-end escorts. Both were gorgeous and very fun. I have nothing against their trade of business. I would do it again if I were richer, but I have not and probably will not, because I just cannot justify the cost in comparison to other more enrichening experiences (like vacationing for a week).

And as for the possibility of arrest, as mentioned above, it's actually proper patron etiquette to place money in an envelope and lay it on a table or countertop, and to never talk beforehand about the nature of the exchange. She's a hot girl who showed up to your house to give you a massage or bikini show, she just so happened to pick up an envelope of cash which you just so happened to have laying around, and you both just so happened to find both so incredibly attractive that you just so happened to bonk.

 

[Colossus]

I think a call girl experience is as exciting as smoking weed without the hallucination. of course, I use protection.

Hallucinate? What kind of weed are you smokin'?

 

[Jitterbug]

Was that how you lost your virginity, picard? Those fat chicks on online dating sites sure are hard to pick up eh?

 

[Hooligan Harry]

The benefits of an easy-lay and no baggage don't counter the psychological effects of feeling like a loser, possibly getting arrested, robbed, or catching an STD that could kill me.

I also think it stunts your growth. If you really want to improve your success with women (on your terms), improving your inner/outer game is much more effective in the long run than settling for a prostitute.

Only in the west is prostitution frowned upon like it is. Compare it to Europe, South America and Asia. Jesus, in Germany, you have the FKK clubs. In Holland, you have the world famous Red Light district. In Eastern Europe and Russia you cant go into most nightclubs with a large expat contingent and not have women proposition you. Its in your face. Hell, when I was in Russia, I had women ask me to sponsor them. They will **** no one else but me and other women if I was prepared to pay a "retainer." Most of the men who have a mistress have this arrangement with them and what is culturally unacceptable to me is not unacceptable to them. Do these Russians lack game? Hardly, they bang the kind of women that most men only ever see in magazines.

In South America, the line between prostitution and gf/bf relationships is sometimes so blurred its confusing. Again, they are often sponsorship agreements of sorts. Why do you think that almost all women in South America prefer to date men 10 years older then them as a minimum? Its rare to see a women in her early twenties with a man under 30. They are in their sexual prime and get snapped up by the older men who have established themselves in life a little. In Asia, women will hit on men even though they have their wives right next to them. They will proposition you right in front of your GF/Wife.

You ALWAYS pay for sex no matter where in the world you may be. If you not paying for it with cold hard cash you are paying for it with the time you lose "in the thrill of the chase." If you not paying for it with your time then very often you pay for it emotionally. You talk of the psychological effects of feeling like a loser because you paid for sex? We all know what the psychological effects of being dumped the first few times is like.

Hell, what is the difference between prostitution and alimony?

One of my best mates has openly admitted that he uses hookers now. Married with kids he needs variety in life and having an affair is not on. There is no emotional outlay with a hooker. Its physical. And its safer.

I have yet to pay an escort for sex. I think its a matter of time though. As I get older and have less time or patience to chase women around it really does become cheaper in a financial sense to pay for it. I also wont have to deal with the drama that comes with casual sex. I just need to get over my own personal hangups over the idea. No matter how much I rationalise it, its been knocked into me as much as it has you that its something to be ashamed of.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

In South America, the line between prostitution and gf/bf relationships is sometimes so blurred its confusing. Again, they are often sponsorship agreements of sorts. Why do you think that almost all women in South America prefer to date men 10 years older then them as a minimum? Its rare to see a women in her early twenties with a man under 30. They are in their sexual prime and get snapped up by the older men who have established themselves in life a little.

I wonder how you know this. This is true. It´s very common to see 17 y o girls dating 27 yo guys (who have some kind of status). Young age and sex is to men what power and money is to girls. That´s normally how it works. Another funny thing is when americans go to South America and easily get laid. They think SAs are more sexual, or that they (americans, "gringos") have a better "game". However, in the end it all boils down to status and "money". I had a friend from Canada (he was handsome, but very naive, and had no game at all), all girls were flocking to him, though.

You ALWAYS pay for sex no matter where in the world you may be. If you not paying for it with cold hard cash you are paying for it with the time you lose "in the thrill of the chase." If you not paying for it with your time then very often you pay for it emotionally. You talk of the psychological effects of feeling like a loser because you paid for sex? We all know what the psychological effects of being dumped the first few times is like.

Yeah, if you think only in terms of time that´s right. Time is money, they say...

 

[thechallenger]

very nice harry hooligan
its true
one way or another youll pay for the pu$$
get it over with and cut the strings

 

[Luthor Rex]

Another funny thing is when americans go to South America and easily get laid. They think SAs are more sexual, or that they (americans, "gringos") have a better "game". However, in the end it all boils down to status and "money".

Americans (U.S.A "americans"), are seen as having "status" and "money" in South America?

huh

 

[Maxtro]

Yeah it is true that in most cases you are always paying for pussy. The trick to get around it is to raise your value to a level where just being around you is payment enough for her. That's where I'd like to be.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

No, I have never picked up a call girl. It seems I've never had to resort to that. All I need is some softcore porn (sometimes pics of escorts/call girls) and a fleshlight, a stop-watch timer (to stay within the imaginary session with the imaginary money that I paid to an imaginary call girl), and I'm good. I think the experience I can make up (virtually for free) would be just as good if not better than with a real call girl. Thus, one gets freebies off of free softcore porn that's posted by call-girls that's intended to procure business -- reading the reviews from other clients -- piecing together a virtual experience.

 

[Aenigma]

Why is this thread in MM? This forum is about ful-filling your potential to become a Don Juan; not buying prostitutes. Anyone can do that. Any LOSER can do that.

Stop wasting your time posting about this crap. You're hear to learn and exchange ideas- not have idle chatter and gossip like a 50 year old do nothing burdensome matriarch.

You're a man, act like one. Go to the gym. Read a book. Anything to become better and fulfill you're potential. If you're just going to buy prostitues why even pretend to yourself that you're trying to become the Great Catch?

The Great Catch dosen't pay for women, and he dosen't waste his energy time discussing whether anyone else pays for them either.

Can you imagine Genghis Kahn having this conversation? Caesar? Beethoven? Washington? Cassinova?

Why are you sinking to the level of the gutter? Do better. Do the best you can.

 

[edger]

Picard, where've you been? I've posted many times about this topic within the last year. I regularly mess with escorts. I love it! What more can a guy ask for? These women are very attractive.

To all you guys who knock paying for sex: What do you think gold-diggers are? Seriously, I ask this as a serious question. They are technically prostitutes. That's the answer and that's the truth, whether you wanna fess up to it or not. Only difference between them and the actual escort/window girl of Amsterdam, is that gold-diggers keep their agenda hidden. But everybody knows what they are anyway, so their agenda isn't hidden afterall.

Picard, do yourself a favor..try out Amsterdam. I'm going back in 2 weeks for my 4th trip. I travel there frequently. It's my second home. The prostitutes are smokin' there. Porn material, I kid you not. 50 Euros, equivalent to 70 U.S. dollars to go the full 9 yards. Not bad AT ALL. Here in America for the same exact thing, you'll pay anywhere on average from 300-500 dollars.

One thing though, I don't have vaginal intercourse with any of these women mentioned above, but I do everything else.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

You're a man, act like one. Go to the gym. Read a book. Anything to become better and fulfill you're potential. If you're just going to buy prostitues why even pretend to yourself that you're trying to become the Great Catch?

The Great Catch dosen't pay for women, and he dosen't waste his energy time discussing whether anyone else pays for them either.

Can you imagine Genghis Kahn having this conversation? Caesar? Beethoven? Washington? Cassinova?

Why are you sinking to the level of the gutter? Do better. Do the best you can.

Again, your perception is skewed. Its been drummed into us that prostitution is for the lowest of the low. For the desperate. Odd that the one culture which refuses to accept the fact that sex is a commodity, and always has been a commodity, happens to be the culture with the highest divorce rates and gender related social issues on the planet.

You say you dont pay for women? That is where you are wrong. You always pay. Time, money or effort. YOU PAY. For me, the time it takes to date and seduce a women costs me more then it would to hire a hooker. Black and white numbers make dating more expensive for me. Not to mention the emotional outlay and drama that comes with it. The fact that I enjoy the process is the only thing that makes it worthwhile. If it was a purely physical act I was looking for, it would cost me a fortune to chase ***** for the sake of ***** alone.

"No man ever lost women chasing money. But he sure loses a lot of money chasing women"

(Some movie with Chris Rock. I think I love my wife or something, forget the name of it.)

The time you spend in the gym? Most men are not doing it because they need to stay fit for a sport they play or because they compete in anything. The majority do it to stay in shape so they can attract women. Again, time and effort which could be spent generating wealth.

Genghis Khan had harems. Hell, the Romans conducted orgies where prostitutes were part and parcel of the weekend entertainment. In fact, prostitution was so ingrained in Roman life that it was not even frowned upon. Dont build a case using historical figures. They lend no weight to it.

I dont try to justify paying for sex. Like I say, its not something I have done yet. Im taking what is an emotional subject and trying to look at it rationally. So far, from what I can see, its only feminised, religious cultures that demonise prostitution. Historically its part and parcel of every culture. It still is part and parcel of most cultures.

As for the conversation? Well this is a forum and an exchange of ideas. I would like to think that perhaps the MM forum on these boards is aimed at providing thought provoking debate on sex, society and relationships instead of simple "how to get laid" guides all the time.

 

[wjh]

You make great points Harry.

But I did slightly preface my point a bit by saying that for me, I would rather not risk the items that I listed, and spend my time improving myself, so as to attract women that are genuinely interested in me (and aren't prostitutes).

Sure, I may have to pay in time and effort, but I certainly don't want to directly spend $ so I can sleep with prostitutes. I want girls who offer more than sex, but are also very attractive.

To each his own, but whether that feeling like a loser psychology is real, or culturally ingrained, is purely academic.

 

[edger]

I bet HALF of all you posters here on the Mature Man's forum use escorts, but will never admit it.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

I wonder how you know this. This is true. It´s very common to see 17 y o girls dating 27 yo guys (who have some kind of status). Young age and sex is to men what power and money is to girls. That´s normally how it works. Another funny thing is when americans go to South America and easily get laid. They think SAs are more sexual, or that they (americans, "gringos") have a better "game". However, in the end it all boils down to status and "money". I had a friend from Canada (he was handsome, but very naive, and had no game at all), all girls were flocking to him, though.

I stayed in Colombia for about 5 months, and spent a month in Brazil, Ecuador a a few weeks in Cuba. You never really experience a country until you have lived there and I am fortunate that my work has taken me to some really odd places. Its been an eye opener.

People think that Russian, Eastern European and South American women are different. They are not different. Women are women. The difference between them and western women is that THEY LIKE TO BE WOMEN. They also do not resent men for being men and they have no desire to compete with men. They embrace their femininity.

Saying that, just like all women, they are driven by status. Even more so in poor countries. Its why its normal to see a 24 year old belter with a 40 year old man. Hell, a 50 year old man who is healthy and looked after himself will bag a 25 year old stunner. No problems. She will seek him out.

Why? Because the hot girls and the hot sex goes to the men with money in their pockets. Its an exchange and they dont even deny it. Its the status quo. Men who can provide get the girls. Women are women and they still need to be attracted to you but your status drives the ability to retain the attraction.

Its why I say that the line is blurred. You have women that will openly admit that they are "a mistress." There is no shame in it to them. Its prostitution. Its an exchange of goods for company and sex Instead of whoring out to lots of strange men, she is engaged in a relationship with one man who sponsors her. This is not a South American thing. This happens everywhere.

Western culture has a problem with prostitution. People need to learn to differentiate between the two