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[Matt Rogers]

Couple of points:

1) There are lots of STDs that you can contract even while using protection. Arguing that hookers are cleaner doesn't fly because there are always going to be guys paying them extra to go bareback and if they are seeing hundreds of guys a week they are going to pick something up....crabs, herpes, HPV spring to mind but there are many more.

2) Many women have been forced into prostitution by traffickers, especially the East Europeans. That means they've been gang raped, beaten and living in fear of their pimp. Many will have drug habits which force them to turn tricks. With these types of women it is not a fair exchange and you cannot really say they are doing it voluntarily. If you are going to be ethical about it....go for US nationals, or natives of whichever country you go to (so unlikely to be trafficked) and go for the more expensive ones (because anyone desperate enough to sell their body for $40 an hour is most likely doing it because they are being forced to...whereas for $400 an hour, chances are they are doing it out of choice because the money is much more than they could earn doing anything else.

3) In many cases im sure the money spent on hookers could go towards improving your life so you are happier AND more attractive to women.

4) STR8PP you make a great point about sex as currency. Women will sleep with a player they've just met knowing there is no potential economic gain. But all women know to withhold sex once they meet a rich guy and restrict it once in a relationship with the guy. That is why many guys have a rich guy to support them, and a loser player on the side for their sexual kicks. Really there is no way to win. Even if a girl does enjoy sex with you, if you are rich she won't give it freely because then it ceases to be a bargaining tool.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Couple of points:

1) There are lots of STDs that you can contract even while using protection. Arguing that hookers are cleaner doesn't fly because there are always going to be guys paying them extra to go bareback and if they are seeing hundreds of guys a week they are going to pick something up....crabs, herpes, HPV spring to mind but there are many more.

Hundreds of guys a week? I doubt it. I reckon most high class escorts are seeing maybe a few men a week. Which is no different to what the average college slut is going through.

I have had crabs. I have had chlamydia. I have never slept with a hooker. Women are promiscuous these days and the scary thing is that a large percentage dont practice safe sex.

You seem to be confusing a street hooker/***** with an escort though. If you are picking up street walkers you are asking for trouble. They tend to be the kind of women with drug addictions and pimps. Probably suffer a lot of abuse too.

2) Many women have been forced into prostitution by traffickers, especially the East Europeans. That means they've been gang raped, beaten and living in fear of their pimp. Many will have drug habits which force them to turn tricks. With these types of women it is not a fair exchange and you cannot really say they are doing it voluntarily. If you are going to be ethical about it....go for US nationals, or natives of whichever country you go to (so unlikely to be trafficked) and go for the more expensive ones (because anyone desperate enough to sell their body for $40 an hour is most likely doing it because they are being forced to...whereas for $400 an hour, chances are they are doing it out of choice because the money is much more than they could earn doing anything else.

While I dont deny that it happens I think that there is a myth being perpetuated throughout Europe with regards to trafficking. Maybe part of the femminst agenda who has a problem with the liberal and easily accessible access to sex workers in Europe?

http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2008/03/sex-women-trafficking-agustin

Lets be honest. Germany, Holland, Spain, Greece, Italy. Prostitution is rampant and its out in the open. As the European Union has made it easier for the women to migrate these countries have had an influx of super models willing to take it up the arse for next to nothing.

I dont want to downplay human trafficking because there is no doubt it is a sick reality. I just dont believe that it is occurring to the degree that we think it is.

3) In many cases im sure the money spent on hookers could go towards improving your life so you are happier AND more attractive to women.

You miss the point. You not paying for sex because you cant get laid. You paying for sex because getting laid comes with its own set of problems and time investment.

From a purely financial point of view, the wealthier you are the more sense it makes. It has nothing to do with using escorts because its your last resort. If its purely sex you want then it can be cheaper to use escorts.

STR8PP you make a great point about sex as currency. Women will sleep with a player they've just met knowing there is no potential economic gain. But all women know to withhold sex once they meet a rich guy and restrict it once in a relationship with the guy. That is why many guys have a rich guy to support them, and a loser player on the side for their sexual kicks. Really there is no way to win. Even if a girl does enjoy sex with you, if you are rich she won't give it freely because then it ceases to be a bargaining tool.

Maybe a 60 year old geezer who is battling to get it up. I can promise you that a 40 year old man with a crapload of money has a better chance of landing a faithful woman then the average dude does. She is always going to be looking for the bigger better deal. Its in her nature to do so. When you are the bigger better deal how is she going to upgrade?

Sex is used as a mechanism to control the relationship. Be it a wealthy guy, the player at the club or the average Joe. The more money you have the quicker women are to jump in the sack with you. Why? Because more women are competing for your attention.

Does not mean it wont come with any drama though...

 

[Matt Rogers]

Harry, high class escorts are probably out of the range of most guys on here. But I agree if you pay top dollar you are going to reduce the disease risk. The majority of men I know who have used hookers, it tends to be the red light district girls in seedy flats with a constant flow of men going in and out.

If money is no object, then sure I can see how using an escort can make sense. Also if you are only interested in model quality girls then it probably is cheaper to pay them for sex than to deal with all the expense (time and money) to get them into bed.

But if it is just sex you want there are plenty of attractive girls who will put out if you have your life together and behave like a man. In my experience while there is a definite ego kick from showing off beautiful girlfriend in public, in the bedroom there is not all that much difference between a regular girl who stays in shape or has good natural assets.

Something that must be mentioned is the addictive element. A friend of mine developed a serious sex addiction. All his money was going on hookers and he just couldn't stop.

I'd also dispute the point about rich men. They may find it easier to attract women. But because women want to land these men for the long term (seeing them as a provider) the smart ones delay sex and limit sex so as not to appear like a slut.

Also if a woman gives the rich guy sex on tap, he has less incentive to buy her. I have a rich friend who buys his gf a piece of jewellrey every time she lets him come over her face. She probably loves it, but is too smart to let him know that so she continues to get gifts.

With a player, a woman has no incentive to disguise her true nature. The only thing a player can offer her is thrills, sex and on a subconscious level good genes. Therefore she uses him for sex and he gets a lot of sex with her. She also knows the player just wants her for sex so if she doesn't put out he'll call another girl.

Of course there are smart rich guys who will do the same thing (walk if she doesn't put out). But the majority don't-you always see rich guys getting completely manipulated by beautiful girls.

 

[MacAvoy]

Something that must be mentioned is the addictive element. A friend of mine developed a serious sex addiction. All his money was going on hookers and he just couldn't stop.

This is a very important point that must be emphasized. There is something different about being with a professional that is far more addictive than a regular women.

I've also seen a friend spend thousands and thousands over a short period of time becuase of the addictive nature of it compared to the sex with his g/f.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Guys be careful with generalizations. You´re assuming all escorts are dirty while normal girls are not. Actually, we never know someones´s past. You may be going out with a "huge player" and you don´t even know it. :nono:

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

I killed a hooker once. She pissed me off and I strangled her to death with my bear hands and tossed her in a dumpster behind my apartment.

 

[edger]

While I dont deny that it happens I think that there is a myth being perpetuated throughout Europe with regards to trafficking. Maybe part of the femminst agenda who has a problem with the liberal and easily accessible access to sex workers in Europe?

Oh it's definitely gotta be part of the feminist agenda. I can't stand feminists. Only very few things I actually agree with them on, like how women should strive for careers and how they should support themselves.

Lets be honest. Germany, Holland, Spain, Greece, Italy. Prostitution is rampant and its out in the open. As the European Union has made it easier for the women to migrate these countries have had an influx of super models willing to take it up the arse for next to nothing.

You're right about the influx of super-model prostitutes. There are a lot in Amsterdam. And yes, they are open to many kinds of sex acts.

I dont want to downplay human trafficking because there is no doubt it is a sick reality. I just dont believe that it is occurring to the degree that we think it is.

Yes, people(femimisists in particular) are completely blowing it out of proportion.

You're not paying for sex because you cant get laid.

Well, I am. Hey, I'm not gonna lie. I would undoubtedly say that's why most guys do it.

 

[edger]

Back to De Wallen(Red-Light District, Amsterdam) tomorrow!!! Gotta catch my flight in the morning. Can't wait to let the river of jizz flow. 4th trip in 8 months.

 

[Maxtro]

In the past 8 years, I have been with over two hundred pros. Most of these were in the Mexican border cities like Juarez, Reynosa, and Nuevo Laredo where you can get a smoking hot 19 year old for $20 for a quickie. A half hour with a bar girl runs you $40 and an hour long massage all inclusive sets you back $35.

Wow, I don't know what's more amazing. Over two hundred hookers or or paying $40 for one.

Honestly, if hookers were that cheap in California I would get one every month at least. But the fact that they are ~$250 is a huge deterrent. Sex just isn't worth that much.

I know that once I have sex again I'm going to want to do it again a few days later. It's like you know that you're hungry right after you have a small snack. I'm simply not going to spend $200-300 a month on sex. That's why I haven't gotten one in 5 years.

 

[Trader]

Couple of quick points

#1 Yes human sex trafficking is so overblown by the feminists

#2 Having sex with slutty girls is probably safer than using prostitutes (unless you are using the high class ones) but the risk is still there either way you go

#3 I'm not here to make any moral judgments on any guy - you are all men, you decide for yourselves. But consider the highly addictive aspect of using prostitutes - which is basically instant gratification. Think about how using prostitutes often ruins your self-control which not only hurts your interaction with real women (it makes you totally desperate and you allow yourself to be whipped just for sex) and how this hurts you in your career.

How can you possibly build any type of wealth if you cannot even have enough self-discipline to control your sexual urges?

Self-control is one of the hallmarks of masculinity - girls obviously lack it with their emo attitudes.

 

[edger]

If you're going to Amsterdam for sex, I can tell you it's not worth it at all. I spent a lot of time there trolling for chicks on trams and such, but the sex in De Wallen is terrible to be honest.

Well, I've never messed with any prosties in South America, so I wouldn't know the difference, but so far, for the most part, I've been pretty satisfied with the ladies of De Wallen(Red-light District). This is why I'm going there a 4th time. I mean, 70 U.S. Dollars(50 Euros) to f*ck and pretty much do everything, you can't beat that. Here you'll pay anywhere from $200-500 on average. I travel completely for free anyway. I can imagine how much cheaper South America is though. I'll have to check out South America for sure one of these days. Maybe next trip. What part would you recommend?

What haven't you liked about the ladies of De Wallen(Red-Light District)?

 

[StevenR]

Hundreds of guys a week? I doubt it. I reckon most high class escorts are seeing maybe a few men a week. Which is no different to what the average college slut is going through.

I have had crabs. I have had chlamydia. I have never slept with a hooker. Women are promiscuous these days and the scary thing is that a large percentage dont practice safe sex.

You seem to be confusing a street hooker/***** with an escort though. If you are picking up street walkers you are asking for trouble. They tend to be the kind of women with drug addictions and pimps. Probably suffer a lot of abuse too.



While I dont deny that it happens I think that there is a myth being perpetuated throughout Europe with regards to trafficking. Maybe part of the femminst agenda who has a problem with the liberal and easily accessible access to sex workers in Europe?

http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2008/03/sex-women-trafficking-agustin

Lets be honest. Germany, Holland, Spain, Greece, Italy. Prostitution is rampant and its out in the open. As the European Union has made it easier for the women to migrate these countries have had an influx of super models willing to take it up the arse for next to nothing.

I dont want to downplay human trafficking because there is no doubt it is a sick reality. I just dont believe that it is occurring to the degree that we think it is.



You miss the point. You not paying for sex because you cant get laid. You paying for sex because getting laid comes with its own set of problems and time investment.

From a purely financial point of view, the wealthier you are the more sense it makes. It has nothing to do with using escorts because its your last resort. If its purely sex you want then it can be cheaper to use escorts.



Maybe a 60 year old geezer who is battling to get it up. I can promise you that a 40 year old man with a crapload of money has a better chance of landing a faithful woman then the average dude does. She is always going to be looking for the bigger better deal. Its in her nature to do so. When you are the bigger better deal how is she going to upgrade?

Sex is used as a mechanism to control the relationship. Be it a wealthy guy, the player at the club or the average Joe. The more money you have the quicker women are to jump in the sack with you. Why? Because more women are competing for your attention.

Does not mean it wont come with any drama though...

Here I have been made fun of and called an AFC for some of my more neurotic posts, yet you guys live in a reality where you have to have $$ to get sex, be it a hooker or a gold digger. Why is it then, that me, for all intents and purposes a "starving artist", can date a hot, 5 years younger, richer woman? She paid for a bed and breakfast getaway for the weekend, a six course meal at a fancy French Restaurant among other great meals, she is great company, and she is willing to pay for all sorts of other stuff and help me out, etc.? Oh, and I can have sex with her whenever I feel like it. She is certainly not dating me for the money, I have offered to pay for some stuff but she covers the expensive stuff like the $600 room. In what way am I going to end up paying for sex with this woman?

Posts like these don't do anyone a favor, and are in fact detrimental to the what this board is supposed to be about. If you use what you have to charm women you don't need $$, if they find you "exciting" to be around and have fun with you, you will be amazed at what you can get women to do for you, not that I necessarily advocate that either. She finds me fun and exciting to be around, more so than some of the far wealthier men she has dated in the past. And I don't have to pay anything for sex, and in fact do enjoy her company as a person as well.

 

[piranha45]

Oh Steven, you're just too much man for us girls! <3

 

[StevenR]

posts like these destroy the confidence of us men who do not happen to be millionaires like Str8up. And they are complete BS. Becoming rich is cool if you can do that, but relying on that to get women, and even worse, hookers is not what I consider being a DJ.

 

[edger]

StevenR, what can I say, God bless ya that lady luck is on your side and it's in your cards that you can get laid by attractive women on a regular basis, but do realize, it's not that easy by a long shot, even with decent/good game. You act like banging attractive women is one of the easiest accomplishments. It is actually one of the most difficult things life can ever throw at you. Yeah, sure, I've banged hotties that were incredibly easy to f*ck, but most of the ones I've encountered have been extremely difficult, leading to nothing, but blue balls. And you know what the funny thing about this whole thing is? I'll bet/gurantee you my game is no different than yours.

 

[edger]

Regarding RLD girls:
I found them boring. Generally, you cannot make out with them and they charge far too much and are just not passionate enough for me.

Just got back tonight. Good time. Regarding the ladies there: Yeah, you're gonna find some that are good providers and some that are bad providers. I've had at least 3 so far that let me kiss. One girl really got into it with me the other night. All she kept doing was kissing me. Real hottie. From the Czech Republic. These same girls have also let me c*m on them too. In total, I've had about 4 girls who've let me c*m on them that I can remember.

Picking up women in general in Amsterdam is no easier than it is here at home, so that left me zero motive to return.

Definitely agree with you there. Dutch chicks seem tough. They throw out no vibes(IOI's) whatsoever. I don't know how they are when you cold-approach them, but I can only imagine. I don't go there to pick up, I strictly go there to bang the prosties, so I wouldn't know how they are with the cold-approaches.

As far as south america goes, I would suggest you try several locations. Tequilla Rocks in Lima, Peru is one place I've pulled a freebe from a call girl that comes to mind. Buenos Aires has some cafes where call girls hang on. I dated one for a short time who was *HOT*. I was there when their economy was crapped out, not sure if it's still cheap down there anymore or not but it's a real first class city, kind of like being in Europa actually. There is also a lil circle (I think it's near a road named Honduras) where you can try to pull freebes at night. Zona Blue in Costa Rica would be worth a stop for p4p. I had a 5 some there once lol There is a ton of info on pulling freebes and p4p on Brasil but it requires buying a Visa which annoys me. Once a Brasilian hawtie coming down from Miami approached me on the plane... I had ***** lined up before we even touched down lol The cheapest flights are to Columbia which is a good place to search for freebies. Tourism is going to go nuts there one day, so enjoy it while the average joe is still afraid to go there. The other countries I do not know about. I've been to some others, but I don't have any experience with the local ladies. All of these countries also have things to offer besides just women. Great food, great weather, the ocean, the rainforests, very friendly people, and so on all make for a great stay. I'm sure other places, like Thailand and Russia and Ukraine are great to visit too, so try them all and see what happens.

Good stuff, thanks. I'll definitely have to make my rounds being I travel for free.

 

[edger]

That is BLEEDING chumpdom and weak game.

I agree with whomever said that doing such a thing inhibits personal growth; there's just nothing DJ about that. Those here who attempt to justify hiring prostitutes by rationalizing that "everyone pays for sex in one way or another" are making a very silly over-simplification that doesn't wash.

Some of you guys really just don't get it. What if told you I HAVE achieved my personal growth potential and HAVE decent/good game? What if I told you I AM SATISFIED WITH MY GAME AND THE MAN I'VE BECOME? What if I told you I'M A DECENT LOOKING GUY? What if YOU'VE TRIED YOUR VERY BEST IN THIS GAME, BEEN COMING TO THIS SITE FOR THE LAST 6 YRS, BUT DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SHOW FOR IT? Tell me then, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT SOLUTION? Do you have a solution?

 

[Mr.Positive]

Couple of quick points

#1 Yes human sex trafficking is so overblown by the feminists

#2 Having sex with slutty girls is probably safer than using prostitutes (unless you are using the high class ones) but the risk is still there either way you go

Yeah, I can't believe the feminists dropped the ball on that one. You ask a feminist what she thinks about abortion? You'll get..."Women should have the right to do what they want with their bodies"

Then, ask her about legalizing prostitution? Duh..the "women should have the right to do what they want with their bodies" argument goes RIGHT out the window.

Women will never see the freedom of legalizing prostitution, giving THEM the right to do what they want with their bodies, and their lives.

Feminists, real smart.

Prostitution really is a victimless crime. It should be legal, regulated by the state, and taxed. Maybe we could even get our ****ing state tax return, from the extra revenue.

Put those lowlife pimps, out of business.

Consider two scenarios....

Prostitution being illegal: 15 year old girl fights with parents, runs away from home. Meets pimp. Pimp befriends her...treats her well, cares for her. She does him a favor..and turns her first trick. She gets hooked on him, drugs come into play. Another life wrecked. Happens ALL the time.

Scenario number two. Prostitution is legal. Pimps are out of business. Girl runs away from home. Gets hungry, ends up at a shelter. Back home with parents in 2 days.

The ****ing feminists really piss me off with their blatant fallacies.

A lot of young lives would be better off, if prostitution was legal. But the feminists are too selfish with their own agenda, they will never see that. Prostitution is going to happen anyway, always has...always will.

 

[piranha45]

it seems everyone on internet forums agrees that prostitution should be legalized. There's definitely a barrier between internet rationality and real-life politics though :\

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Here I have been made fun of and called an AFC for some of my more neurotic posts, yet you guys live in a reality where you have to have $$ to get sex, be it a hooker or a gold digger. Why is it then, that me, for all intents and purposes a "starving artist", can date a hot, 5 years younger, richer woman? She paid for a bed and breakfast getaway for the weekend, a six course meal at a fancy French Restaurant among other great meals, she is great company, and she is willing to pay for all sorts of other stuff and help me out, etc.? Oh, and I can have sex with her whenever I feel like it. She is certainly not dating me for the money, I have offered to pay for some stuff but she covers the expensive stuff like the $600 room. In what way am I going to end up paying for sex with this woman?

Posts like these don't do anyone a favor, and are in fact detrimental to the what this board is supposed to be about. If you use what you have to charm women you don't need $$, if they find you "exciting" to be around and have fun with you, you will be amazed at what you can get women to do for you, not that I necessarily advocate that either. She finds me fun and exciting to be around, more so than some of the far wealthier men she has dated in the past. And I don't have to pay anything for sex, and in fact do enjoy her company as a person as well.

No one says you have to have money to get sex, but having money certainly helps. In much the same way a six pack would or being famous would. You need to accept the reality that women find money attractive. As nice as that many not sound, it is a fact. Money gives you status and it means you can provide. Basic stuff here.

You also completely miss the point and I wonder if you even bothered to read and digest the entire post. It has nothing to with taking the time to charm and game women. It has to do with the expense and drama that comes with it. For all the trouble some men have keeping women around, some really have a problem getting rid of them. If you are a man who offers a hell of a lot more then the average guy, women become a lot more aggressive in their pursuit of you especially after you have started to sleep together.

And you are paying for sex with this woman. There is an obvious emotional attachment here and you spend TIME with her. The difference is that you value HER TIME more then you would your own pocket. Which is not a bad thing in the slightest and if its an arrangement that suits you and its a good arrangement. Not one I would knock. Good luck to you. There are times though when MY TIME is too precious to waste on another shallow, attractive woman who I am only really interested in because I want to sleep with her.