BlackwaterPark said:
Agree with jaylan. I mean if you see the guy's vids, he's a total nutjob. The forced anime villain laughter, the unjustified arrogance, it's just cringeworthy. The kids problems are that he 's clearly delusional; despite having no friends he was calling himself perfect, magnificent, etc. and he didn't want any girl, but a hot blond sorority sloot. I've been to ucsb and there's a line of frat star a mile long looking to get at that. No doubt he thought it was beneath him to start at avg looking girls and work his way up through the ranks. It's like wanting to play in the major leagues without having played in high school; despite what we try to say not every tom **** and harry can get a dime piece. Most guys with some work can get laid, and he wasn't willing to put in the shift.
And like jaylan said there are deeper issues. If you have no friends thats a way bigger flag. Even some of the most socially awkward guys I know have some company. They meet guys on their level and find something to connect with. If he can't do that he has problems on a more fundamental level. For whatever reason he was a total misfit. I agree that for an awkward guy it can get tough, especially in a place like ucsb where all the women chase the same set ofalpha jocks, but we can't extrapolate this kids situation to a normal guy. HE WAS NOT NORMAL.
Good post.
Like I said earlier...he's basically the male version of a woman that wont aim within her league. Ya know, the girl that complains about not having the right options, or saying how guys use her...all the while she only aims for the hottest guys even though shes not up their in attractiveness herself.
Even attractive frat guys have to know how to be social and talk to women. It seems as if Rodger expected women to fall into his lap. All of this makes me wonder who among us play around with such murderous thoughts just because they have bad luck with friends and dating.
Part of me doesnt understand how this kid didnt find the right resources online. He was on the Misc forums...and he also knew of PUA sites and such. If a man cannot even find support online, something is clearly wrong. Because I would think people online would at least have more patience to give him pointers since they dont have to deal with his odd personality in real life.
The bodybuilding.com forums are all about motivation and helping other bro be fit and have fun (minus the trolling in the Misc forum). So if he couldnt find his way there, and also with the help of PUA sites....then Im at a loss. If it wasnt for the internet I wouldnt have made the progress I have over the last few years. I found bodybuilding.com, and started getting more healthy, fit, and attractive. I found different dating forums, and learned how to better handle my dating life.
Granted Im a well adjusted man who doesnt wish violence on the innocent...but Id like to believe that Rodger kid had a chance to turn things around. And trust me, Ive tried to help out weird guys before who had bad luck with women. It can be hard because of their personality and shyness. Now I dunno if its worth the risk helping someone who may secretly wish you dead because youre more successful at certain things than they are.
Danger said:
In the link
here that was already listed in this thread.....
The writer is too stupid to know the difference between MRA and PUA, and considering them both misogynistic.
First off, the MRA from everything I have read or seen does not condone violence against anyone, women included. While I don't subscribe to any channels, this is a clear attempt to debase the intent of the sites.
The guy was driven insane by society training him to be beta (thus not having any attractive qualities). Roissy has been saying this for some time and he is exactly right.
As far as PUAHate, isn't that a site which attacks PUA's?
Lets be real Danger. I, backbreaker, and others here know that many dudes in the manosphere say very hateful things about women and some go as far to say that a woman deserves violence.
We have even had guys here try and create threads saying so. Lets not pretend there arent elements in the manosphere trying to perpetuate violent anger against women. And even if it doesnt go that far, you have a lot of dudes who have a "she prolly deserved it" attitude when a woman is abused, raped, or killed in a newstory.
Ive seen it, many others have to. What really needs to be done is that the manosphere needs to become a better collective...and by better collective, I mean there needs to be more unity so that they can purge the hateful elements from the movement. Because those overzealous negative dudes in the manosphere are exactly why many people designate the sphere as a place that breeds and preaches hate.
And what pisses me off about all this is how MRM, MRA, and even MGTOW got so much tied into PUA. Though I dont consider myself a PUA...and dont buy into everything pushed in the community...I realize the PUA community is diverse and changes with time. I see that there are a lot of guys who simply want normal dating lives and to become better men.
All of this becomes muddled when you have people trying to inject so many different ideologies into something that should primarily be dating advice for men. People dont have their eyes open if their missing the "hate speech" that those outside the manosphere say they see when they venture to sites like these.
