An example of what immigration brings

[speed dawg]

It's a politically created problem that can be corrected politically. The immigration reforms are well known and most of the bills are ready written, they just need to be passed. Americans just don't pressure for the reforms. I don't like most republicans but they're the only ones that have members that will correct these issues. NumbersUsa is an immigration lobbying group and they break down what needs to be done https://www.numbersusa.com/solutions:

"sensible solutions would include eliminating the visa lottery, ending chain migration, reforming the outdated practice of birthright citizenship, eliminating visas for unnecessary foreign workers, and reducing fraud in the asylum and refugee programs.". They also mention mandating E-verify. These are mild reforms that would basically solve the issue. Stopping anchor babies and mandatory E-verify alone would have most illegals self deporting and discourage them from coming. Even current laws are not going to be enforced or honored with the Obama administration. But let's not make the mistake of electing another member of the party of multiculturalism, multi-genderism etc.

Most these solutions already have bills that could be introduced. There's no reason dubious and failed policies that were instituted mostly after '60's and '70's need to be carried on into perpetuity or worse increased. There's no sense in letting feminist, multicultural hustlers and other liberals who never stop to bulldozing right over us.

I just hope the middle class moderates have enough sense to vote for the Republican candidate, in this case. Of course, that's what the Democrats want, flood the voting populace with stupid voters, to keep them in power. They know their way isn't sustainable, but they aren't stupid. I'll give them that.

 

[Jaylan]

Sounds like you're the one with the hate.

Moving on.....

Oh yeah, how dare I hate bigots who are a stain on the fabric of America.

But seriously, stop and think critically. Have you seen the reaction to the racist frat boys and their video today? Students and citizens around the country banded together against their hate. Haters have lost this nation and will never get it back.

So I reiterate yet again, let the KKK or Neo Nazis start something. They will be smacked into further obscurity.

 

[speed dawg]

Oh yeah, how dare I hate bigots who are a stain on the fabric of America.

But seriously, stop and think critically. Have you seen the reaction to the racist frat boys and their video today? Students and citizens around the country banded together against their hate. Haters have lost this nation and will never get it back.

So I reiterate yet again, let the KKK or Neo Nazis start something. They will be smacked into further obscurity.

Fight Fight Fight Baddest Man Baddest Man

 

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I was wondering what gaylan was rabbiting on about. I take it this is what's sending every moral preening sh!tlib into conniption fits?

I liked this logic trap:

Black mob screamed "Kill the White people" before brutal murder of Zemir Begic. CNN buried the story. But "n word" is big news.

 

[speed dawg]

Tits, Stagger, Danger (and the other smart posters in this thread), let's carry on and just ignore Gaylan and the others with a preconceived agenda. We all know we aren't Stormfronters or White Supremists or involved in any of those 'Wow, Just Wow' shamed groups, so let's just let his comments go from here on out, and threads won't be derailed. That said:

I saw this on facebook this morning:

My friends, between the DOJ report on Ferguson and the shameful video from the SAE chapter at OU, these are sobering, sobering days. I cannot help but think that repentance is the only way forward.

What will it take for the majority to finally say: "This is happening." What more do we need to see? What other tragedies will validate what is plainly going on? How many voices of lament must we hear before we hit our knees in solidarity, repent for the shameful systems that built and reinforced racial inequality, and join hands with our minority brothers and sisters and say NO MORE? Hell, a strong first step is simply to say WE BELIEVE YOU.

Well, to my friends in the struggle, I BELIEVE YOU. I hear you. I see.

Friends, if you want somewhere to start, I cannot recommend "The New Jim Crow" highly enough. To say it ripped my heart open would be an understatement. It is a well-researched, incredibly documented, highly academic account of where we are today and how we got here.

May the tides turn in our time. May the Fergusons and SAE's in our culture be exposed and reformed. May our own hearts be moved by the grief of our fellow man and grieved by our own inherent biases.

"Let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream!" ~Amos 5:24

This is the type of thing we are dealing with. This comes from a WHITE woman, who is a part of the New Age movement, and she supports pro-gay legislation. So just because she quotes a Bible verse, remember that there are plenty of false prophets, so let's not act like this is a Christian agenda. Even though things are 10x better for minorities and women than they were 50 years ago, the same agenda is being pushed for monetary gain by a few. The tired line of, "We have so much more work left to do" is being lapped up daily in places like Selma, AL and others.

Again I say, what should the 'theme' be? I get that you can change things through politics, but shouldn't a true movement have a set plan, which outlines a solution? What should that be? There are simply too many indoctrinated holier than thou people out there in the white race that have no idea what true suffering really is. The people truly suffering are middle and lower class whites, who have never cared about racism or any of that sh*t. We are the people who actually live among other races daily. We are also the people that have the backbone to stand up to the elites, and they know this. The elites were the ones who were racist, and now they are claiming that it's others who were the real evil. Pretty sickening in my mind, and nobody questions them.

What does it take to convince people that their line of thinking is flawed? There is no where to run, no 'new country' and no amount of white flight can help. Seems to me that it's going to take some sacrifices being made from all of us, and even from the good people in the various minority groups, who are being played by the same fiddle that the 'Wow, Just Wow' crowd is being played by. It's either unity or chaos, can't be both.

 

[Jaylan]

^Lol @ you of all people talking about agendas. On a goddamn pickup forum constantly whining about race. But sure, carry on. Neutered males need their internet outlet.

I was wondering what gaylan was rabbiting on about. I take it this is what's sending every moral preening sh!tlib into conniption fits?

I liked this logic trap:

And their actions had consequences. They are in jail.

The racist chanters at OU saw consequences too and the SAE frat is banned. So try again.

Fixed this for you.

Serious question. Why does desiring a homeland for your tribe equate to white supremacism?


I believe we can all agree that colonialism was a very bad thing several hundred years ago, and was unfair to the colonized countries. So why the anger at the white homelands which push against the same colonialism?

Why is it bad to colonize other nations, but also bad to oppose the colonization of white nations?

Except we have idiots in this thread whining about multiculturalism in the USA. A country that has ALWAYS been multicultural and multiracial, and will be. We have fools talking about the KKK rising up. Yeah, how can people see white supremacism in stuff like that?

 

[Mike32ct]

The term used for the US was "melting pot," which refers to assimilation or "melting together," not multiculturalism where people maintain separate and distinct cultural indentities.

In other words, yes, we look different, but we are still Americans. That's assimilation.

The problem with multiculturalism is that it threatens national unity. It becomes more than just a neighborhood of similar people. It can break the country into groups that don't actually even want to be Americans anymore. It creates more "us vs them" instead of just "us."

 

[Jaylan]

The term used for the US was "melting pot," which refers to assimilation or "melting together," not multiculturalism where people maintain separate and distinct cultural indentities.

"Melting pot" somehow "changed" to "multiculturalism" the way "global warming" suddenly became "climate change."

The USA has always had distinct regional cultures, despite a greater national Americian identity. So its multicultural and a melting pot all at the same time.

I grew up in NYC and could go to different areas of the 5 boros and experience Italian, Jamaican, Chinese, Korean, or Russian culture, but still greatly sense the NYer in these people.

I invoke again a sentiment presented by Espi in a past thread. Many people dont seem to b!tch and whine about multiculturalism or immigration unless dealing with a non-white culture.

 

[Mike32ct]

I'm happy to hear about that "NYer feeling" you mentioned, Jaylan. But my concern is the "NYer feeling" or "American unity" feeling is weakening. It's becoming a thing of the past. Yes, we have always had different cultural neighborhoods, but the sense of unity was greater before.

 

[dasein]

Here's Sowell on this issue, thought-provoking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGuNNyOTRnI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ESlS2jrhXY

I remain optimistic that raised awareness via the net and other broadened media is cracking light on gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-lawyer-MSM Complex chicanery, hope that isn't misbegotten optimism.

 

[backseatjuan]

This is the kind of sh!t Hispanics do-travel in gangs and try to intimidate and harass native whitey

Native Americans are red skinned, and back in the day immigration of white people ganged around them, and genocided the whole continent.


Couple of friends were standing behind, inline for something, and because you happen to don't like them, they are gangbangers, and one could have a kife! You might be a pu55y ass white nationalist wanna be. Hitler caput son, he started sh1t with Russians and it drove him to suicide, America is making the same mistake. We brake your monkey ass back, you want war now because you have a HUGE national debt, but you won't get a war, your dollar will crash, and you will be begging Mexicans for cash.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Native Americans are red skinned, and back in the day immigration of white people ganged around them, and genocided the whole continent.


Couple of friends were standing behind, inline for something, and because you happen to don't like them, they are gangbangers, and one could have a kife! You might be a pu55y ass white nationalist wanna be. Hitler caput son, he started sh1t with Russians and it drove him to suicide, America is making the same mistake. We brake your monkey ass back, you want war now because you have a HUGE national debt, but you won't get a war, your dollar will crash, and you will be begging Mexicans for cash.

See, this is example of why the US doesn't need immigration from anywhere. This is the kind of attitude of America a lot of foreigners have. No one is really native to the Americas. Everyone in the Americas is native to EuroAsia and Africa. The US was a British colony founded primarily by European and black servants, so the natives are white and black. Amerindians are native to many stone age "nations" that no longer exist.

The America continents were operating under a time when the Right of Conquest was in effect and recognized, yet it was considered right for Indian tribes (previous immigrants themselves) to violently resist white immigrants just as they had resisted other tribes. The tribes lost the war. So now in a time where no Right of Conquest is recognized anywhere in the world, America should continue to welcome immigrants from the whole world? If that's the case then Mexico and every country south moreso should have to open its borders to everyone. Either immigration is harmful to the native population and they have a right to resist it or not. Let's not have one standard for white people and another standard for everyone else.

Anyway enough about history. Every country has an immigration policy and every nation that doesn't control immigration has problems caused by immigration.

 

[Bible_Belt]

So now in a time where no Right of Conquest is recognized anywhere in the world

well, except for for Crimea

Mexico actually has its own illegal immigrants, many from Guatemala. You know your life is sh!tty when sneaking into Mexico is an improvement. The Mexican authorities treat them like total sh!t when they catch them. They are much less kind than the US toward illegals.

 

[Stagger Lee]

well, except for for Crimea

And Eastern Ukraine .

Mexico actually has its own illegal immigrants, many from Guatemala. You know your life is sh!tty when sneaking into Mexico is an improvement. The Mexican authorities treat them like total sh!t when they catch them. They are much less kind than the US toward illegals.

Yes, Mexico is very hypocritical in how it demands US open borders, no immigration enforcement and benefits for illegals in contrast to how it handles immigrants legal and illegal. Same could be said for Arab countries and others. At least progressives, liberals and other nations should practice and live what they preach to others.

 

[backbreaker]

well, except for for Crimea

Mexico actually has its own illegal immigrants, many from Guatemala. You know your life is sh!tty when sneaking into Mexico is an improvement. The Mexican authorities treat them like total sh!t when they catch them. They are much less kind than the US toward illegals.

this is actually a south park eposide lol .last of the meh-hecans

 

[amoka]

And the moderators believe this sort of discussion conforms with the objectives of this forum?

 

[Stagger Lee]

What does it take to convince people that their line of thinking is flawed? There is no where to run, no 'new country' and no amount of white flight can help. Seems to me that it's going to take some sacrifices being made from all of us, and even from the good people in the various minority groups, who are being played by the same fiddle that the 'Wow, Just Wow' crowd is being played by. It's either unity or chaos, can't be both.

It's going to take enough people to challenge it and risk be called ignorant, haters, RACIST! Till that doesn't have any effect anymore too.

Let's touch on the SAE thing. If you're not free to say offensive things even in semi-private without serious consequences then there is no free speech. That's scarier than a few people clowning around saying something others find offensive. The only consequence to offensive speech should be free speech that you disagree with it. There's no free speech or freedom of association on public tax-payer funded government associated college campuses. Even worse the suppression of free speech is not evenly applied. People say offensive things about males and whites all the time at colleges, and one group freely uses the N-word that's supposedly so offensive. The SAE matter should've been left up to SAE leadership to decide how to respond. And this is the position the public should demand.

Back to immigration, why can't liberals and people like Jaylan see that excessive immigration harms them more than anyone. Blacks will be squeezed by excessive immigration more than whites. And the only countries with socialism that you can arguably say work at all are ones that have a very high white population. Liberal social safety nets are not going to work with a tax-paying white population around 60% dropping like a rock and the population exploding. Hispanics are competing with them for affirmative action, benefits, political power etc. Are they so blinded by their hostility of whites and America, they just can't see it?

 

[Jaylan]

And the moderators believe this sort of discussion conforms with the objectives of this forum?

They usually tell members that discussion is open and that they are lenient, but in my years here there appears to be an uneven selectivity when choosing which discussions to shut down.

Ive seen racial dating topics quickly shutdown in the past yet threads like these allowed to continually pop up. Ive seen mods tell members to follow forum rules, and bulletins be made with the forum rules in them. Yet they are rarely enforced. And its usually always the same few posters creating these threads. And if you look at their thread creation history, they hardly create threads that are positive or meant to help dudes get laid. Its consistent political or racial crap.

So take that for what it is. Let the haters do their thing. Their ignorance provides me with entertainment, if anything.

It's going to take enough people to challenge it and risk be called ignorant, haters, RACIST! Till that doesn't have any effect anymore too.

Let's touch on the SAE thing. If you're not free to say offensive things even in semi-private without serious consequences then there is no free speech. That's scarier than a few people clowning around saying something others find offensive. The only consequence to offensive speech should be free speech that you disagree with it. There's no free speech or freedom of association on public tax-payer funded government associated college campuses. Even worse the suppression of free speech is not evenly applied. People say offensive things about males and whites all the time at colleges, and one group freely uses the N-word that's supposedly so offensive. The SAE matter should've been left up to SAE leadership to decide how to respond. And this is the position the public should demand.

Back to immigration, why can't liberals and people like Jaylan see that excessive immigration harms them more than anyone. Blacks will be squeezed by excessive immigration more than whites. And the only countries with socialism that you can arguably say work at all are ones that have a very high white population. Liberal social safety nets are not going to work with a tax-paying white population around 60% dropping like a rock and the population exploding. Hispanics are competing with them for affirmative action, benefits, political power etc. Are they so blinded by their hostility of whites and America, they just can't see it?

The national leadership at the headquarters of SAE disbanded the local chapter and distanced itself from the bigoted comments. Afterwards the university president shutdown the frat building and removed the kids from it.

So maybe you should do your research.

Lastly, Freedom of speech is freedom from government persecution of speech. Tell me how bigoted *******s being disbanded by their national leadership, is a form of government persecution?

Further more, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences when using "fighting words". Brush up on your constitutional law bro. The fighting words decision is one of the most famous in Supreme Court history.

Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment. Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942). How about you learn something about the fighting words doctrine.

 

[Stagger Lee]

The national leadership at the headquarters of SAE disbanded the local chapter and distanced itself from the bigoted comments. Afterwards the university president shutdown the frat building and removed the kids from it.

So maybe you should do your research.

The OU President (who happens to be a liberal and bisexual) disbanded the SAE fraternity, shut down their building and order it's members to vacate in 24 hours. Then he has already expelled two students. This is what I'm objecting to. You do your research.

Lastly, Freedom of speech is freedom from government persecution of speech. Tell me how bigoted *******s being disbanded by their national leadership, is a form of government persecution?

Again OU severed all ties with SAE, evicted its members and expelled some of them from the college. OU is an agent of the government. It's state funded and largely state controlled.

Also, just because the government cannot infringe upon a right doesn't mean a private entity can, not that OU is completely a non-government entity. For instance, just because the constitution prohibits the government from searching one's home without a warrant, that doesn't mean it's okay for private entity like say your employer or neighborhood watch to do so.

Further more, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences when using "fighting words". Brush up on your constitutional law bro. The fighting words decision is one of the most famous in Supreme Court history.

Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment. Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942). How about you learn something about the fighting words doctrine.

How ridiculous can you get? What's considered "fighting words" to you, a recording of a private conversation you consider is offensive depending on who says it? By your logic rap music must be banned too on campuses. No one has been expelled or their greek organization shut down because they got into a verbal altercation. This case is the total opposite. No one in this case yelled "fire!" in a crowded theater. People can sing and yell "fire!" or how much they dislike or don't want to associate with someone else all they want among each other in semi-private per free speech. What you really don't have is free speech to say the N-word or anything non-PC only if you're white or male. PC is anti-free speech, racist and sexist.

Free speech isn't the right to verbally assault someone or cause panic, but is the right to say things some may find offensive without consequence or suppression or it's not free and is utterly meaningless.

 

[speed dawg]

Frats aren't exactly private, but this:

Again OU severed all ties with SAE, evicted its members and expelled some of them from the college. OU is an agent of the government. It's state funded and largely state controlled.

.....could be grounds for a law suit. If I were those boys, I'd sue the sh*t out of OU. You can't expel someone for being racist. You can disband a frat chapter and yank their charter, but you can't expel someone. It's insanity.