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Re: I repeat ...

Originally posted by WestCoaster
... I know dozens of successful, interesting, intelligent great guys out there -- and for looks-only women out there -- they're in shape and good looking, too.

Dozens.

In feminist-crazy Northwest you have these nutball women running around in birkenstocks hating men, but then sleeping with the exact type of men they say they hate. It's whacky.

American women are to blame for their divorces and single-parenthood. Got news for you on that looks-only thing: outside beauty dies, inner beauty goes on forever.

Nevertheless, I still know dozens of successful, single, in-shape good-looking guys who struggle with women in the Northwest.

F-ck it all ... go pop out more illigit kids American women and b-tch about it despite no one put a gun to their head to have unprotected sex. Stupid hypocrites.
I'm in the northeast...and lived in a very rural area. There were NOT a lot of the higher quality men where I lived. As for here...I haven't been here long enough to know. The few guys I have met whose faces I like who aren't fat are either drunks or do drugs. I haven't met many, though...just where I work.
 

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The power of our sick culture

While I rarely give women in this country the benefit of the doubt, and I don't feel like doing so right now, I will admit the power of our sick culture really preys on women. Most guys dismiss much of it, many women absorb and believe it.

Just read in Newsweek a cover story about Anorexia ... nothing I haven't studied before, but a nice reminder on how our sick be-thin culture has corrupted young girls and women.

We are one of the only societies in the world with an anorexia problem ... what does that tell you?
 

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Re: Not looking carefully enough

Originally posted by WestCoaster
...American women don't seek out these classy men because they think they're "boring." I think the high divorce rate is about 75 percent the fault of the women in this country, I really do. Women seek the wrong men and marry the wrong men ... they also reward the wrong men by giving it up sexually to a-holes.
Good point. @ssholes will win over 'nice guys' because most nice guys are boring, at least that's the image people see.
 

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Re: Re: Not looking carefully enough

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I personally know two men working on their PhD's who are handsome, drug free, aren't in debt, but one can only attract psycho girls and other can't attract any at all. As for the second one... not even his six pack can save him apparently.

So don't tell us how "good men are hard to find." Westcoaster is right: they are everywhere but most women just don't see it.
These guys attract questionable women because they they have seemingly nothing wrong with them. Also, they could be particular about the type of women they date because they would like someone comparable. How many (non psycho) women are available that mirror their lifestyle closely?
 

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AWESOME example, WestCoaster. My how times have CHANGED.

Wyldfire, I agree with you in that American men can be just as bad as women. And you know what? I believe that you are overall a sensible, cool girl that proabably DOES treat her man right. Girls like you are indeed hard to find.

However, I am with the boys here on this thread. I think that today's culture is DESTROYING American women. Young girls see "girl power" every day of their lives through billboards, commercials, television commercials, television series, movies greeting cards, and music.

Television and music videos emphasize that the more skin you show, the more attention it gets. That may be true, but what kind of message is that to our young girls?

A good example is Britany Spears and Madonna. These two well-known performers were on stage singing a few years ago, and right in the middle of their number, they KISS each other, right on National Television! These are females that most girls look up to, so what message do you think these young girls that were watching this got when they saw the audience (mostly men) stand up and CHEER? These two performers KNEW that doing this would cause a reaction men. (Yes, Wyldfire, this is partly men's fault, for condoning it.)

Almost every young female performer that has risen to fame today started out by their own merit. But soon, they started getting more and more risque and their clothes start coming off in order to sell their records. They start singing songs with real sexy undertones, and dress like and parade around like slvts. Their videos show them being sweaty, sexy, and in control of dozens of men dancing around them. Just look at Britney Spears, Christina Agullera, Jessica Simpson, etc. Well guess what? There a lot of innocent little eyes watching all this, and they are learning TOO FAST that they can get men right where they want them if they act sexy enough. The thing is, they are mostly too young to know where the line is drawn between being sexy versus being slvtty.

Television and commericals are a joke. Any man on this board already knows what I mean. 95% of them disrespect American men in some way or another. They make it out to be funny when a man is ridiculed. Greeting cards are the same thing. Girls learn at an early age the power they have over men, and I think that, naturally, it makes their heads get too big. This is causing severe damage to young American girls that cause them to make bad choices that often follow them for the rest of their life. And when that happens, they get mad and often blame the men, because the media and our culture LIED to them.

I feel that young girls and women are much more taken in with the whole "Hollywood" celebrity lifestyle than men are. They are also fashion victims. Music videos and MTV constantly show women half naked and getting their way with the guys. Girls are shown hanging all over rap stars that were former gang members who curse and refer to their women as "hos." Rap stars are "it" these days, and these girls go right along with the newest fashion.

Girls LOVE this drama and excitement of being a celebrity and getting all this attention. Unfortunatly, most decent guys are not into this superficial crap, and the bad boys that they LOVE so much, often are. In realty, though, they fail to see that there are CONSEQUENCES to living this type of life, until it is too late.

It's a shame, really. I feel sorry for today's girls. Our corrupt society breeds them and American men are beginning to reject them. The thing is, our culture and society are turning them into slvts who do not know what to do with a guy unless he exhibits the characteristics of this fun, exciting, criminal. Most girls do learn eventually, but by then it is usually too late.




Again, WestCoaster, great insight. I completely agree!
I've been working VERY hard to raise my daughters not to be miserable biotches. My older daughter has been clued in to how screwed up feminism is and my younger one will be when she's old enough to understand. My boys have also been raised not to be ashamed of being male. I've gone up against the school when a girl was hitting my son with her lunch box and he lifted his foot to block her from hitting him and her lunch box opened and her thermos got broken. The school actually tried to claim my son did something wrong. I told them to kiss my lily white ass and that if the rotten little brat girl wanted a new thermos her parents could buy it for her because hell would freeze over the day I bought one. I also told the school they had best punish the girl for assaulting my son or I would have the ACLU all over their arses. Needless to say I was not very popular with the school district.

My boys are also taught that it's not okay to be abusive towards anyone and to treat others with respect unless they don't deserve it. There's a fine balance in teaching to be comfortable with being male and resisting the negative messages sent to males in society and still teaching a teenage boy to value and respect women and girls as much as they do themselves. I've done my best to bring them up right.
 

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A good example is Britany Spears and Madonna. These two well-known performers were on stage singing a few years ago, and right in the middle of their number, they KISS each other, right on National Television! These are females that most girls look up to, so what message do you think these young girls that were watching this got when they saw the audience (mostly men) stand up and CHEER? These two performers KNEW that doing this would cause a reaction men. (Yes, Wyldfire, this is partly men's fault, for condoning it.)
I love that statement, and very true. I pointed this out before, but not as well as you and now I solidified it in my mind.

Remember when BOYS were young and we SAW girls in 6,7, or 8th grade? We WERE fascinated by BOOBIES! We loved them, but it was HARMLESS. No Sexualizing, we were just getting our hormones going and maybe kissing girls.

Thing is, girls at that age GET their POWER EARLY on. Very early. And what you SEE on TV is basically a FORECAST of what's to come. These young girls get boobs EARLIER than they did when I was young, and dress sluttier (not a lie), and so they FLAUNT it big time.

Boys at that age are TROUBLE makers, but have no REAL power. They don't see a FUTURE in a world that will just ROLL out the red carpet.

Think about it...what shows do young boys see that almost VERIFY their place on the planet or status?

Everybody Loves Raymond?
REAL WORLD.
The SIMPLE LIFE.
SOUTH PARK.
DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES.

All young kids see are the SEXUALIZING of women, from teens ON UP. You can't avoid it. I was watching tv @ 9 last night on basic channels and got plenty of nudity. NUDITY! How many young kids have tv's in their rooms for NONE other than video games or movies? ALOT!

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I look at it FROM YOUTH on up, because in the formative years, KIDS are away from their parents, and if the parents are not teaching the kids, NOBODY is, and ONLY hope will help this young teen from going down the AFC route. Fortunately 1 of my young cousin's is a NATURAL. He's 13, and since 10 or 11, liked cars more. Love football. Is into dangerous sports, and doesn't care about girls, so they naturally love him. He's "ACTIVE" and has a healthy way about him. He's young, but he knows better despite his father divorcing his family.

When I was a young boy, we just played, like most kids. We don't look ahead and see how much POWER we have, and HOW hot we will be, and HOW much we will get. INSTEAD, we have shows that demonstrate what kind of DOLTS we are, and IDIOTS, and INEPT FOOLS, and LIARS, and CHEATERs. Is it making sense?

Even if you go to magazines, or media, boys don't look around at society and say "Gee it's AWESOME TO BE A BOY, we are SO EMBRACED AND LOVED!"

NO! Society looks around and LOVES women, because they're sexy, even if they are just images. And they are SEXUALIZED YOUNG, and so sex is sold. So many girls start these porn sites on nothing but looks and just SELL the few things they have, namely their pride, body, and privacy AWAY. Not that little girls see this, BUT THEY DO see the bytch MODEL-attitude. They see how girls are on TOP-rated shows, and in magazines.

Granted there are EXCEPTIONS, and it's NOT ABSOLUTE, but look around. Tell me what you see?

In my estimation, society DOES NOT EMBRACE the MASCULINE, but instead the FEMININE. It embraces FEMININITY and PC-CORRECTNESS. It embraces SOFTNESS. Yet I feel that is PRECISELY what's wrecking us. Men aside from a few in the leadership positions have GIVEN more consideration to what women want, and feminine needs and now in some ways we are better, and some worse. Our actions toward the world aren't as agressive, so some terrorists activities are the result of that.

Families lacking a TRUE leader come from the point that men are made to FEEL BAD about being ruthless, cut-throat, direct, and solid. Instead, "talk them out, calm down, be nice, adopt a more passive attitude." WEAK! Men are so BOTTLED UP ITS INSANE!

NEITHER sex is right OR WRONG, we JUST ARE. That's it WE JUST ARE. It isn't male aggression that wrecked anything, nor is it woman's passitivity and sensitivity that will fix it. Just like sometimes kids need nurturing SO TO DO THEY NEED PUNISHMENT. A boy should be whacked to learn his place. At least by his dad. Let his mom coddle him. But if you can handle your dad hitting you, or spanking you, or threatening you to stop your crap, you can HANDLE ANY GUY. It sounds weird to women, but it's honest to me. Most guys who are laid back, and can take shyt happening, HAVE HAD FIGHTS with their dad or some male figure. To men it isn't a big deal. Heck I used to BRAWL with my brother, and we're best friends, and we respect each other very much and we have each other's backs. He's my best friend. That NEVER effected our relationship-fighting. It doesn't. But some how it's WRONG to do. WEAK.

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As I said, as Society's UNSPOKEN and SECRET LEADERS and CONTROLLERS, we have failed women in not keeping a TIGHTER reign. Let them have equal jobs, get out of the home, vote, etc, but EQUAL. THEN RECOGNIZE our UNIQUE SEXUAL DIFFERENCES. Realize the male needs the female in the long-run. But as it stands, people are trying to divorce the 2 and determine what to do.

The system is in place, and women are SUCCUMBING to the system, so that's their fault. Our fault is ALLOWING it to happen, because as I see it, SOME MALE BETAS, or WEAK A-HOLES, found out that THROUGH women, they could DISRUPT society in a way they wanted. So they ALLOWED things to happen, because they hail from a place of power and ability. In turn, they disrupted the female so much and fawked them up, it ruins it for the other men.

Feminism BEGAN this, but now you here about the ridiculous legal actions, or lawsuits, or priviledges, etc...being against men and some pvssies defending it.

Sick.


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Magazine headline

On the cover of a magazine I saw at the store it said, "Embrace Your Feminine" with a picture of a wimpy-looking teenage boy on the cover. Granted, this magazine is really alternative (UTNE magazine), but can you imagine what would've happened had the title been "Embrace Your Masculine" and showed a tough guy on it?

Yeah, when we were young there was little cable TV, we just hung out, played tackle football (at least I did) in the field, played pickup basketball and other sports, had fun being a masculine boy, TV had shows that were more fantasy (Bewitched, Gilligan's Island, etc.) than real, so we took them for what they were: humorous fiction (or sometimes not very funny fiction ... see Gilligan's Island). Some men were portrayed as dorks, but so were some women.

Today society/TV is 100 percent geared toward tearing down men. Next time you watch TV, count how many commericals make the men look like idiots. It will shock you.
 

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Re: Re:

Originally posted by A-Unit
Where do you get your "ideas" on what -you- want?

This is directed to everybody.

**If you have had/experienced them, why aren't you with them?

**If you have not had/experienced them, why do you presume it is what you want or get?

What i'm saying is...ALOT of women have images of what they want as men, NEVER having dated that type or seen him in as a living being on this Planet we call Earth. I've been in up and down disagreements with a girl I date(d) on it. And many times you hear "I've had, other guys, men are." That makes me cringe.

If you've had IT, why did IT end?
If you haven't had IT, why do you think it exists like you want it does?



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I actually was lucky enough to spend 5 years with a man who was exactly what I described...by the time I met him. Before I met him he was hell on wheels. He got his wings clipped (went to prison), got involved with AA and turned everything around. He was already over 4 years into the changed man when I met him. I honestly could never have pictured him doing some of the things he told me he had done. The only reason I'm not still with this man is because he died. So yeah...I do have something very real to base things on.
 

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WestCoaster, man you speak the truth.
You are spot on for the Northwest, dont know about the rest of the country but NW your correct, if your from seattle we need to hangout sometime.

I'm gonna tell alittle story about experience i had with a longtime friend of mine, who is the typical badboy. White guy, speaks fluent ebonics, treats women like sh1t, and can dance his ass off.

He had lived with a girl for about 3 years(awesome girl), she was a good girl who fell for his rap, paid for everything, drove him around(he lost his licsence due to so many DWI), but she eventually wised up and gave him the boot.

He was in a tuff spot so I decided to help him out and let him come stay with me abit, which was ok because I had just gotten out of a LTR. Plus I figured with him around it would get some action going around my house. I own my home btw, big new house on the good side of town from him.

How fast I learned how young women changed since I had been in the game, It was almost like I was getting dissed from chicks for having a half million dollar house and 3 sports cars in the garage.

One friday night after I got home from work him and his friend called from a bar and said they had met 3 chicks and were on there way, I was like hell ya!!, he said they were abit older(they were between like 26 and 30)

So they get over, and my buds start the usual badboy game crank up the lowend slack jawed ghetto rap, low and behold, one of the girls says "turn that sh1t off, put on some old rock!".

My ears perked up at this point, also they started commenting on dress, like "Why do you guys wear all that baggey sh1t"
I was still in work cloths so I was decked out in suit and tie. These WOMEN were all over me, and totally cold shouldering my friends. I ended scoring a # from one and dating her for awile.

It was this night that it totally hit me, up to about 23 to 24 years of age, girls will like and date losers, Yes there are exceptions to the rule but for the most part and in the NW girls are like this..

They want the slackjawed wife beater wearin bad boy, and will open up and spread wide to except his juice, so she can pump out a xeroxed carbon copy of the ass's future car jackin child.

But once a women hits 25 plus around here, it changes dramatically, the clock starts tickin, and they start lookin for more stabillity, unfortunatly most of time the damage has already been done, and they have 1 or 2 crumb crunching ankle biting car jackers already made.

Once again theres exceptions to all this..

I experienced this for 2 years straight hangin with these guys and learned a ton from them.
Example: I could act like a badboy ass away from this home, but once young girls knew how loaded I was then I would come off as arogant and it wouldnt work.
 

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Originally posted by DWB
WestCoaster, man you speak the truth.
You are spot on for the Northwest, dont know about the rest of the country but NW your correct, if your from seattle we need to hangout sometime.

I'm gonna tell alittle story about experience i had with a longtime friend of mine, who is the typical badboy. White guy, speaks fluent ebonics, treats women like sh1t, and can dance his ass off.

He had lived with a girl for about 3 years(awesome girl), she was a good girl who fell for his rap, paid for everything, drove him around(he lost his licsence due to so many DWI), but she eventually wised up and gave him the boot.

He was in a tuff spot so I decided to help him out and let him come stay with me abit, which was ok because I had just gotten out of a LTR. Plus I figured with him around it would get some action going around my house. I own my home btw, big new house on the good side of town from him.

How fast I learned how young women changed since I had been in the game, It was almost like I was getting dissed from chicks for having a half million dollar house and 3 sports cars in the garage.

One friday night after I got home from work him and his friend called from a bar and said they had met 3 chicks and were on there way, I was like hell ya!!, he said they were abit older(they were between like 26 and 30)

So they get over, and my buds start the usual badboy game crank up the lowend slack jawed ghetto rap, low and behold, one of the girls says "turn that sh1t off, put on some old rock!".

My ears perked up at this point, also they started commenting on dress, like "Why do you guys wear all that baggey sh1t"
I was still in work cloths so I was decked out in suit and tie. These WOMEN were all over me, and totally cold shouldering my friends. I ended scoring a # from one and dating her for awile.

It was this night that it totally hit me, up to about 23 to 24 years of age, girls will like and date losers, Yes there are exceptions to the rule but for the most part and in the NW girls are like this..

They want the slackjawed wife beater wearin bad boy, and will open up and spread wide to except his juice, so she can pump out a xeroxed carbon copy of the ass's future car jackin child.

But once a women hits 25 plus around here, it changes dramatically, the clock starts tickin, and they start lookin for more stabillity, unfortunatly most of time the damage has already been done, and they have 1 or 2 crumb crunching ankle biting car jackers already made.

Once again theres exceptions to all this..

I experienced this for 2 years straight hangin with these guys and learned a ton from them.
Example: I could act like a badboy ass away from this home, but once young girls knew how loaded I was then I would come off as arogant and it wouldnt work.
Dude....that was the most hilarious first post in the history of sosuave.com...

"crumb crunching ankle biting car jackers" LOL!!!

Seriously though, you seem like you have a pretty good idea of how things work nowadays.
 

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I've been working VERY hard to raise my daughters not to be miserable biotches. My older daughter has been clued in to how screwed up feminism is and my younger one will be when she's old enough to understand. My boys have also been raised not to be ashamed of being male. I've gone up against the school when a girl was hitting my son with her lunch box and he lifted his foot to block her from hitting him and her lunch box opened and her thermos got broken. The school actually tried to claim my son did something wrong. I told them to kiss my lily white ass and that if the rotten little brat girl wanted a new thermos her parents could buy it for her because hell would freeze over the day I bought one. I also told the school they had best punish the girl for assaulting my son or I would have the ACLU all over their arses. Needless to say I was not very popular with the school district.
My boys are also taught that it's not okay to be abusive towards anyone and to treat others with respect unless they don't deserve it. There's a fine balance in teaching to be comfortable with being male and resisting the negative messages sent to males in society and still teaching a teenage boy to value and respect women and girls as much as they do themselves. I've done my best to bring them up right.
Wyldfire, you sound like a GREAT mother. You sound like you are doing a FANTASTIC job with both your daughters AND your son. Keep up the good work, and I know that your training is going to really help them grow up to be smart human beings who RESPECTS the opposite sex.

I hope what you take from this thread is an honest, balls-to-the-wall glimpse in the lives of American men and boys today. One of the big problems today is that males are not being heard and understood. Society has men so beaten down and ignored that men do not know what to do about it.

Our society has a "UNDERSTAND the woman, BLAME the male" mentality. Wyldfire, you got a taste of it yourself when you told us about your son and the scuffle he got into with a female classmate. You had to stand up and FIGHT for your son. I commend you for that, and I know that your son is thankful that you had his back when everyone else was trying to get him. Just for being born a MALE, he was ASSUMED to be in the wrong, and the powers that be were working against him. But one day, when he reaches the age of 18, the LAW is what is going to be working against him, with much more severe consequences.

Yes, our girls in in trouble because of our screwed up society. But you know what? So are our boys. The difference is, NO ONE CARES about what happens to our boys or what is happening to them.

The teenage girl has her own set anxieties sure, but has, on average, less demands to PERFORM and more RESOURCES to attract the opposite sex than boys do. Her body is more a GENETIC gift, and a girl is more like a genetic "celebrity" - and genetic celebrities become entitlement dependent.

By addicting boys more to girls' bodies than vice-versa, we make boys feel less equal than girls. The girl has the option to persue. A boy has the EXPECTATION to persue. He is supposed to understand female cues when he doesn't even understand himself. To the degree a girl doesn't understand herself, his fear of misreading what can't be read becomes overwhelming. His hormones prepare him to reach out for sex but not for the rejection. He is supposed to initiate sex before he even knows what sex really is. And nowadays, if he misinterprets a cue, he could land himself right in JAIL.

We have no talk shows or therapists that want to hear what young boys or men have to say. And even if we did, we would be ridiculed, laughed at, insulted, ignored, and dismissed for speaking our minds. Or worse yet, made to feel like a lesser man.

This is one of the BEST posts I have read in a long time. I have really enjoyed reading the boys on here tell how unpolically-correct it really is in the real world for us. A lot of things that go on in this world pertaining to men and American women troubled me, but I felt that nobody else could see what is happening or could understand. A-Unit and WestCoaster had some AWESOME things to say, and I really enjoyed DWB's post also.
 
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KB...as a parent of 2 girls and 2 boys I have seen first hand how things work. My oldest daughter is 19 and my youngest is 5. My boys are 17 and 15. I've seen how the teenage years play out for both boys and girls.

The guys here understand and recognize the things that hurt them...and most assume the girls have it so much better and are at such an advantage. That's really not true at all. It's no easier for either gender in these formative years. Maybe seeing that with my own teenagers is part of what motivates me to play the devil's advocate here so often.

I described an incident my son faced where I stood up for him. My daughter faced an issue that ended up causing her to drop out of highschool when she was 16 years old. She was being sexually harassed by a boy who rode the same bus she did. He would say really disgusting things to her, grabbed her breast multiple times and you know what? The school never did a damn thing to stop it. She became so depressed she couldn't function in school. Because of how I raised her and what I taught her she chose not to date at all in high school. She didn't feel she was ready during the time she was there. She was disgusted with how promiscuous and slutty the other girls were. She told me how girls were called fat by boys who were not fat at all. Those girls would starve themselves or make themselves vomit what they did eat. These body image messages sent to girls are just as horrible and damaging as the "blame the boy" messages sent to boys.

So, in my personal experiences and observations while raising both male and female children through their teen years is that neither male nor female teenagers have it better or worse...they are all being severely damaged...the methods used to cause that damage is just different.

On a side note...that boy who was sexually harassing my daughter...he followed her home one afternoon and cornered her on our second floor porch (we had a 2nd floor apartment). He tried to grope her again and she snapped and literally THREW him off that porch. It was in the winter time and there was a snowbank beneath. As he went over the side his jeans got caught on a nail and his pants were essentially ripped right off him. She still hasn't gotten her diploma but is looking into adult education programs to be able to do that. It's really a shame she had to leave school to feel safe because she is a phenomenal artist and wants very badly to go to art school.

My boys haven't had any real issues since that one incident I described. I'd have to say that what happened to my daughter has caused more damage than what happened to my son...because of the impact on her education and how far behind it put her. It turned out fine for my son because I refused to cater to the bratty little girl's lousy behavior. I tried to fight just as hard for my daughter but the school refused to do anything. They refused to do anything either time.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that yes, boys are hurt by the messages they are sent. However, let's NOT forget that girls are also hurt by the messages they are sent. This should not be some silly competition about who gets hurt worse or who gets more sympathy. It should just give us all enough to think about where we can take a look at how we might contribute to these bad messages and what we can do to avoid hurting others in that way. We should all be in this together, not muddling the situation with needless pissing contests about who suffers more. Let's just do what we can to end the suffering and damage. Complaining and blaming changes nothing...it's just a distraction and a waste of time.
 

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haha, onearm, your oprah comment made me laugh.

that said, wyld, i liked your post. one of hte first steps in becoming a DJ is NOT to hate women and NOT to mistreat them. the whole thing about being a DJ is valuing yourself and holding women up to certain levels of ACCEPTABLE behavior. and if they can't provide that, walking away.

my rule is simple
10% of the people in this world are evil; sociopathic narcissists who will say and do anything to get what they (men and women both)

80% of men and women are just totally confused and lost. they do their best, often shoot themselves in the foot, and thats life

10% of the men and women are mature and enlightened. they treat others with respect, they have delt with their own personal issues and don't take their sh*t out on others, etc...

the key is become one of the 10% and find a girl who is one of hte 10%. then you won't need too worry about all the insane crazy sh*t that fills this board and men's lives.

No with repsect to letting your daughter drop out of highschool.
this is the kind of stuff that DOESN'T happen when there is a STRONG, HEALTHY father figure in the picture.

you better damn well believe if that was happening to my daughter it would end right quickly. I'd get on the bus with my daughter, tell her to point him out, then i'd go up to him and make it clear:

"If you ever so much as say one more word to my daughter, ever, i'm goign to break every bone in your face. I'm going to smash my fists into your face that by the time I'm done it will take years of reconstructive surgery to fix you up. do i make myself clear?"

and that would be the end of that.

and if he kept at it, i probably wouldn't smash his face, but id have the principle the cops and everyone on his ass. as well as his parents. and it woudl be UNACCEPTABLE to me if the school and cops did nothing about it. I would get a lawyer and sue them all if i had to.

this is why i scoff at women who think men are no longer important or that one parent families are better than two parent families.

at the end of the day, i dont care how tough a woman is, she can't always resolve situations the way a STRONG, Mature man can.

Fathers are critical to their kids, and its really a shame that society doesn't praise the good fathers out there doing a good job raising and protecting their kids.

J
 

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Exactly Joekerr

I would've threatened that kid, too. By her dropping out of school, the kid won. Yes, I would've lawyered-up, too, to protect my a$$. But yep, I would've seriously threatened the kid and told the kid's dad about it.

Father's are critical in this country, don't know why they're being bashed.

Correct on your percentages, get in that 10 percent and don't become a married AFC.
 

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Originally posted by OneArmDeeJay
All put aside the original poster is a troll I thought this thread was about American women? Not drama drama drama and about Wyldfire’s dysfunctional family problems.
Sugarbritches...you can read other posts and apply other people's writings when you hand out advice and make comments if you so choose. However, as an older person who has lived longer and more than you have...I actually can apply REAL life experiences to my input. That's far more useful than some philosophy you toss around that most likely you have never even put into practice with how much you post at such a young age.

But today I will feed the troll.
Seeing as I ALWAYS relate what I post to the topic at hand unless I'm fielding some irrelevent BS such as what you repeatedly throw around...you fit the definition of "troll" much more closely than I do. Get over the fact that I have tits and just deal with it. I am NOT going anywhere and the sooner you accept that and stop whining about me posting so much the better off you and this forum will be.

You and/or your son should have told the Teacher and Principal about the situation before it got out of hand. That would have been the smartest and responsible thing to do.
There was no time to do that. I got no phone call from the school alerting me to what happened. I learned about it when my son got home from school with a note informing me that I had to replace the thermos. I asked my son what happened (he was in the 7th grade, by the way) and he told me. I called the school and handled it appropriately. It was the principal I spoke to. Had they contacted me immediately I would have spoken to her even sooner. This wasn't an ongoing issue. It happened one time and I dealt with it the second I heard about it.

And the fact that you let your daughter completely drop out of school is ridicules and unacceptable.
I did what was best for my child's emotional well being at the time. The school refused to support her and actually treated her badly. The did so because I stuck up for my sons. They didn't like me very much because I refused to allow them to be sexist with my boys. My younger son I ended up pulling out of public school and putting into private school because of the sh*t the same school district pulled with him. I'm not going into that, though, because the story is too long.

If it was that much of a problem why didn’t her brothers jump this fool?
Her brothers are younger. She just turned 16 and they were 13 and 10 at the time. The boy was around 17 and far bigger than my boys. What do you think they could have done?

How come as a responsible adult told the authorities and put a restraining order on him?
My daughter had been through so much that she was not emotionally able to deal with all it takes to do that. Her grandmother was dying, who she was very close to and it was more than she could take.

Where are her friends when this happens?
Her friends rode on the bus we asked the school to let her ride instead. It was close to our home too, and this kid didn't ride that one. They wouldn't let her change buses. The school was totally unsupportive of her. They did not do their job.

How come no one else is seeing and reporting this? Or why didn’t she just dropkick him when he first touched her?
They did...the school REFUSED to listen because they didn't like me for reporting them to the state dept of education for one of their teachers abusing my youngest son. They treated all 3 of my older kids very badly because of that one teacher who abused many kids. One time she did smack him and the bus driver saw her hit him but didn't see him do what he had done. She got kicked off the bus over it.

What was she wearing and saying to this fool. I think it’s more to the story then you know.[/QUOTE

What a f*cking d*ck you are. My daughter has NEVER dressed provocatively...EVER. She never even had her first kiss until she was 19 years old. She has NEVER showed cleavage or worn tight or revealing clothes. And I KNOW there is nothing more to the story than what I know.

I don’t believe a women is just going to stand their and take being unwontedly grouped with out doing anything unless she WANTED him to do it and lied to you.
She was shy, quiet and hated this kid. If she "liked" it, as you claim, then why did she throw him off the second story porch? Why did she hit him when she never hit anyone before? Why did she come home crying everyday? Why did she tell me she would rather die than have to go back to school and see him?

Besides you said you’ve taught your daughter everything you know so how come she didn’t beer bottle that fool like you self-righteously justified did to a man at a singles bar for grabbing your ass.
She was on a SCHOOL BUS you idiot. My daughter and I are very different. She is softspoken, quiet and shy. I am very extroverted, outgoing and not shy at all.

Listen if people have such deep issues with there EX husband past, problems, feelings, and your dysfunctional family problems please seek some professional help or go on Oprah.
I went to a therapist once. You know what he told me? He told me that I have the healthiest attitude of anyone he's ever met in his life and I didn't need therapy. Yeah...I've been through a hell of a lot...and you know what? I still like people, am kind, am not bitter towards anyone and have had no problem having healthy loving relationships. On top of that..NONE of my kids drink, do drugs or break the law. I've done better raising my children on my own than most two parent families do. Oh...and I don't watch daytime television. No talk shows, no soap operas, none of those sappy ass shows like Desperate Housewives either. That stuff bores me and is stupid.

This is a MAN’s SEDUCTION Site.
Then what are you here for?

The actual men here aren't so damn insecure over a woman being here that they throw sophomoric tantrums incessantly like you do.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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I'm not an advocate of violence ...

... but this molester should've had his a$$ kicked into the ground. A father couldn't have done it, but it would've been nice if some other boy in school would've royally kicked the sh-t out of him.

There is something to be said about a good a$$-kicking. I'm a non-violent person, but there are times ...

Growing up I was pretty small and let some guys push me around physically and verbally.

One a-hole, who wasn't that much bigger than me, did that to a lot of people. My best friend (still is after all these years) gave him a good fist full of knuckles in junior high and the guy never bothered him again. If I would've done the same, I would've received the same response and not been bothered.

Someone age appropriate kid should've kicked this kid's a$$, like into a bloody, bloody, pulp. That was the answer, but we're taught to totally go away from that method. Nine times out of 10, violence shouldn't be used ... this was that 10th time.
 

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Originally posted by joekerr31
haha, onearm, your oprah comment made me laugh.

that said, wyld, i liked your post. one of hte first steps in becoming a DJ is NOT to hate women and NOT to mistreat them. the whole thing about being a DJ is valuing yourself and holding women up to certain levels of ACCEPTABLE behavior. and if they can't provide that, walking away.

my rule is simple
10% of the people in this world are evil; sociopathic narcissists who will say and do anything to get what they (men and women both)

80% of men and women are just totally confused and lost. they do their best, often shoot themselves in the foot, and thats life

10% of the men and women are mature and enlightened. they treat others with respect, they have delt with their own personal issues and don't take their sh*t out on others, etc...

the key is become one of the 10% and find a girl who is one of hte 10%. then you won't need too worry about all the insane crazy sh*t that fills this board and men's lives.

No with repsect to letting your daughter drop out of highschool.
this is the kind of stuff that DOESN'T happen when there is a STRONG, HEALTHY father figure in the picture.

you better damn well believe if that was happening to my daughter it would end right quickly. I'd get on the bus with my daughter, tell her to point him out, then i'd go up to him and make it clear:

"If you ever so much as say one more word to my daughter, ever, i'm goign to break every bone in your face. I'm going to smash my fists into your face that by the time I'm done it will take years of reconstructive surgery to fix you up. do i make myself clear?"

and that would be the end of that.

and if he kept at it, i probably wouldn't smash his face, but id have the principle the cops and everyone on his ass. as well as his parents. and it woudl be UNACCEPTABLE to me if the school and cops did nothing about it. I would get a lawyer and sue them all if i had to.

this is why i scoff at women who think men are no longer important or that one parent families are better than two parent families.

at the end of the day, i dont care how tough a woman is, she can't always resolve situations the way a STRONG, Mature man can.

Fathers are critical to their kids, and its really a shame that society doesn't praise the good fathers out there doing a good job raising and protecting their kids.

J
joekerr...if I had of had the support of the school it wouldn't have played out the way it did. To complicate things even more...the boy was on an IEP and was emotionally disturbed. His mother was a radical religious freak who beat him and his own uncle molested him when he was little. As much as I hated what he did to my daughter, I honestly believe he didn't know any better. That's why I didn't go to the police or go to his mother. His mother was a big part of his problem. By law, because of the IEP they couldn't even kick the kid off the bus without facing a possible lawsuit. Since they already hated me for reporting them, they had the bad habit of taking it out on my kids.
 

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Re: I'm not an advocate of violence ...

Originally posted by WestCoaster
... but this molester should've had his a$$ kicked into the ground. A father couldn't have done it, but it would've been nice if some other boy in school would've royally kicked the sh-t out of him.

There is something to be said about a good a$$-kicking. I'm a non-violent person, but there are times ...

Growing up I was pretty small and let some guys push me around physically and verbally.

One a-hole, who wasn't that much bigger than me, did that to a lot of people. My best friend (still is after all these years) gave him a good fist full of knuckles in junior high and the guy never bothered him again. If I would've done the same, I would've received the same response and not been bothered.

Someone age appropriate kid should've kicked this kid's a$$, like into a bloody, bloody, pulp. That was the answer, but we're taught to totally go away from that method. Nine times out of 10, violence shouldn't be used ... this was that 10th time.
Well, once she threw him off the balcony he left her alone. Unfortunately, since the school were such arseholes (except for her guidance counselor who ended up quitting because of how the administrators behaved towards my daughter) my daughter really didn't feel good about staying there. She was a bit of a mess for awhile. She's fine now...and she's not settling for a GED...she's getting her diploma. She's just doing it a little later than planned originally.
 

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Originally posted by OneArmDeeJay
Your doing it again. No one wants to were all this. This wasn’t about please post your dysfunctional family problems. I didn’t see the original poster post that.

Man give a troll in inch they take a mile.


Hahah I think the question is why is a WOMAN on a MAN’S SEDUCTION site?

Is she trying to learn how to pick up women?

What is the purpose of her being here especially if we all agree and teach not to listen to women’s advice on dating and relationships? Not to mention that’s how it got you hear in the first place.


Again people ..

Just beware of the users/lady friends that claim to be one of us because really they are like wolves in sheep clothing. -DeeJay
You're going on ignore. You are a thread disruptor. You are constantly accusing me of taking threads off topic but nine times out of ten it only happens when you have one of your stupid temper tantrums. I think you are just desperate for my attention and I'm not giving you anymore of it.

You ARE the weakest link...

Goodbye.
 

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I still want his a$$ kicked

Falling off the balcony or not, when he brushed himself off and walked home, someone should've finished the deed and beat him to a freaking pulp. He should've been on the ground crying for his momma. Then when he got home, he should've got his a$$ kicked again by his dad.

Then when he got to school the next day, he should've got his a$$ kicked again ... I'm serious. Guys like this don't need to be beat up once, they need to be beat up about 15 times or they'll never learn.

Hopefully if this molester goes to college or out in the working world, the first thing that happens is he'll get his a$$ kicked.

* Another great story ... we had these rich kids (doctor's sons) who ruled the roost in our high school. Big time jocks, though not as great as they thought they were. One guy was a verbal and physical bully, no one was beneath his wrath. He was an average athlete, but thought he was good enough to play football at a small college an hour or so away from home. His first day of college practice, he popped off and some dude busted his jaw! He had to have it wired shut ... freaking hilarious. I know many people -- including me -- who loved seeing this guy get his just rewards.

A$$ kickings can sometimes serve a good purpose.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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