Alright suckas...I'm rockin my new hairpiece and LOVIN' it!

[KarmaSutra]

(By the way, I think it’s been too long since the last group meet-up. I think we’d all want to see your hair style.)

'Dish, I couln't agree more. . . Sushi and the new 'do. Good times.

 

[KarmaSutra]

I have natural 34 DD breasts...

Is this Ms. Chokesond!ck? 34DD's which hang to the knees and play peek-a-boo when she lifts her arms to praise Dr.Phil, Backwoods Baptist hallelujah style?


Feed someone else that sh!t.

 

[KarmaSutra]

bullsh*t! Who are you to judge the body investments of others! I pay a pretty high membership to a gym to keep my as$ high and tight - I (nor my hubby) feels this is a waste. I pay $$ to get waxes - again, money well spent to keep the playground clear! I burn money - well, I buy candles to burn while making love to my man in the bed or bath - waste??? I think not.

That's why I adore you so, darling

 

[STR8UP]

OP = Original poster.


"Alright suckas... blah blah blah, I'm the shit cuz I gots me a toupé!"


Newsflash: you're bald, get over it, you neurotic prick.

This is funny, because it ties in with what I was saying about Affleck.

I heard a saying once that went something like:

If you are poor, you're crazy.

If you are middle class, you're neurotic.

If you are rich, you're eccentric.

Affleck and other successful folks can do whatever they want without having to worry about what other people think.

I will ignore the "prick" part of your response.

 

[STR8UP]

'Dish, I couln't agree more. . . Sushi and the new 'do. Good times.

Hey, you know I'm always down for hangin with a few of my favorite DJ's. As long as you promise not to ridicule my piece, you know how insecure I am about it....lol

Seriously....hit me up when you want to get together. We still need to do the Blue Martini thing. Last time I went was there I was growing my hair out and had to wear a hat. The meathead bouncer wouldn't let me in wearing a stylish beenie (one of those pretentious BS rules that I hate about that place....it ain't South Beach, it's in THE MALL for christ sakes) but now that I'm rockin' the new 'do I shouldn't have any problems.

Unless some chick spots my piece and decides to run up behind me and pull it off my head while I'm waitng in line, haha

 

[STR8UP]

Just an update for anyone who is getting constructive use of this thread-

Last night I made my partying debut in my new piece.

Several of my friends saw me with hair for the first time ever.

One was a girl who I've been messing around with for the last couple of months. She's the one who tried to pull my hat off my head a month ago when I was growing the hair out.

Long story short- she made a couple of references to the fact that she didn't think I had hair and was surprised to see me without a hat, she commented several times on how good it looks (and she works in a hair salon!), and she ended up sleeping next to me all night without having a clue that I was wearing someone elses hair on my head.

Another friend of mine who is bald and shaves his head commented about it several times. He thought I had gotten transplants. I finally told him it was a piece and he nearly sh!t himself. Now he wants more info.

A guy I knew from high school went out with us as well. He thought I grew my hair out.

All in all, this thing is FAR from perfect yet still undetectible. People's responses have been overwhelmingly positive. Anyone who is losing their hair and looking for a way to achieve a great new look, this thing gets two thumbs up! Give it a shot.

 

[MindOverMatter]

Nope. I did it to show people that there is way to do something about your hairloss today for a reasonable price that wasn't available a few years ago. If my experience helps someone else, I have accomplished my goal. Even if it's someone who DOES have low self esteem and this might give them a confidence boost to get them through life.

Yes, and other posters have suggested that this is not the only way to fix low self esteem. You use Ben Affleck as an example, I'll use Bruce Willis. Do you think he has low self-esteem because he's bald? No, he has full confidence in himself and does not need to be fake.

What you are claiming to be a self-esteem fix is a band-aid fix. It doesn't fix their self-esteem, because that hidden fear of somebody discovering their hairpiece before they can get comfortable enough to let them know will always be there. The self-esteem defecit is fixed from within, not from outside.

Wrong again.

I welcome other opinions. But at the same time if your opinion differs from mine and you can't back up what you say I'm gonna call you on it. Fact of the matter is, a couple of people here are giving an opinion on something that they THINK they know something about, but when someone says, "You will be ridiculed" or "Some chick is gonna pull it off your head while you are having sex" I know that I am dealing with people who don't know what they are talking about.

What is there to back up? I said that if it was me, I wouldn't get one. Not because of the risk of some chick pulling it off, or the money, but because I thought that wearing someone else's hair and pretending it's yours is not only sad, but very disgusting. I wouldn't wear somebody else's underwear, and I sure as hell wont wear somebody else's hair that was mopped up off some salon floor. I don't really see how I need to back up this opinion, but I'll gladly throw in a piechart or two if it makes you relax.

That's too funny! I hope one day you don't get burned in a fire and the only way to cosmetically repair your badly damaged skin is to let them graft CADAVER skin on your burns. You'll eat a cow but won't put another human's sterilized, hair on your own head. But you are entitled to your opinion.....

So Wyldfire is gonna lose all her hair and wear a wig, and I'm gonna get burned in a fire and become leatherface. Man you have one twisted imagination, but ok.

A cow becomes a well grilled steak, which is food that fills my stomach and allows me to survive. I don't have a problem with eating it, because it's essential to my survival and can give me protein nutrients other food (such as veggies) cannot. By obtaining these nutrients, I can age better due to the fact my muscles wont atrophy as fast as they would if I were not to eat the food. I'm not gonna get into the whole list of things that make red meat good since that's not what this thread is about.

Your rug on the other hand is purely cosmetic. It's not necessery to your survival. You are wearing somebody else's hair and pretending it's YOURS in order to cope with an insecurity.

Ya think, huh?

I know it.

You don't have to be Ben Affleck to have the attitude that everyone else can kiss your ass if they don't like you or what you put on top of your head.

You don't have that attitude tho, as evident by all your posts. So far, all the criticism has made you very upset, and while you are trying to pawn it off as "logical debate", you are getting very emotional.

I'm not embarassed at all. I have a thing about posting pictures of myself on the internet.

The man said you could blur your face. No one would recognize you. So the whole "I don't want somebody taking my internet picture and doing stuff with it" argument is flawed, as you are well protected. It is evident that you are afraid to post your hairpiece in front of a large crowd of readers due to the fear they'll say you looked better bald, or that you look like a joke. You can try to cover it up, but it's your insecurity is obvious for everybody to see.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with attracting women, I can assure you for the umpteen millionth time.

Yet you keep bringing it up in every example. Ben Affleck getting laid left and right, Donald Trump getting laid left and right. A big part of your argument is justifying that wearing a hairpiece will get you laid and that you wont get laughed at as long as you are rich and famous.

That shows me that you feel that other people are as judgemental as you are about this.

And you know it's true. Tell every person you know that you meet that you have a hairpiece, and then form the conclusion for yourself. those who are not fake will look down upon those are. And I'll bet that even your friends and business partners crack jokes about your rug when you are not around.

FYI- a couple of other posters here have messaged me informing me that they too have used hairpieces. One is able to get transplants, so he is getting rid of his hairpiece, He made it a point to inform me that he has never had a negative reaction from a woman about wearing a piece. The other one buys hair from the same company I bought from, and he couldn't be happier...he loves the hair.

Good for him. I personally wouldn't wear somebody else's hair, but each to his own.

You didn't attack me per se, but you made it clear that you feel it isn't proper or right or whatever for people to cosmetically alter their appearance, which is ridiculous. My comments were simply my opinion of YOUR opinions....that they are closed minded.

Now you are twisting my words. My opinion was that I personally would not wear somebody else's hair because I thought it was fake and a bit gross.

Being close minded would have been me saying "Nobody should wear other people's hair because it's fake and gross". I don't feel that way. If you wanna wear it, go for it. But personally I wouldn't.

Your counter-opinion, was to get emotional like a woman and throw insults my way (suggesting I was a blue collar envious of your cash and power, lol - or that I was similar to a redneck Klan member) instead of just being a man about it and seeing it as a different opinion and talking about it like a normal person.

 

[STR8UP]

Yes, and other posters have suggested that this is not the only way to fix low self esteem. You use Ben Affleck as an example, I'll use Bruce Willis. Do you think he has low self-esteem because he's bald? No, he has full confidence in himself and does not need to be fake.

Just because you wear a hairpiece or get a boob job or buy a new shirt DOES NOT mean that you are insecure about something!

You just don't get it. Because YOU personally wouldn't wear hair you assume that anyone who WOULD do so is automatically trying to compensate for something by being "fake". That's nonsense.

What you are claiming to be a self-esteem fix is a band-aid fix. It doesn't fix their self-esteem, because that hidden fear of somebody discovering their hairpiece before they can get comfortable enough to let them know will always be there. The self-esteem defecit is fixed from within, not from outside.

And you know this because you are bald and have tried wearing a hairpiece? No, you aren't losing your hair, and no, you have never wore a hairpiece. So, tell us all how it is that you KNOW that anyone who wears a piece walks around in fear of being discovered? YOU DON'T.

And to say that a self esteem deficit can only be fixed from within is laughable.

Lets go back to the burn victim analogy. Lets say a guy named Joe got badly burned on his face and scalp in an automobile accident. The doctors go in and repair it as best they can, but inform Joe that further cosmetic surgeries invloving the use of cadaver skin would be necessary if he were to have any hope of improving his appearance.

Before the accident, Joe was a normal, well adjusted guy with high self esteem. After the accident he falls into depression caused by his grotesque appearance. Now he is faced with the decision of whether to allow doctors to operate on his badly scarred skin WITH SOMEONE ELSES SKIN, A DEAD PERSON'S NO LESS to help improve his appearance or live his life looking like something out of a horror movie.

Joe decides to allow plastic surgeons to graft the cadaver skin onto his face, which improves his appearance tremendously. The only problem- now he has to go around wearing a hat to cover his scarred head that will no longer grow hair. He wishes he could get transplants, but doctors inform him that the skin is too badly damaged to support healthy hair follicles. Joe is still down in the dumps about his appearance and after a few years of depression he gets fed up and decides to search the internet for options to help him recover his self esteem that was lost in the fire.

Joe searches the internet for days without any luck, since none of the hairloss solutions seem to be suitable for his situation. Then one day he stumbles across a couple of websites that sell hairpieces. He looks at the pictures of guys with long hair who wear hair pieces, guys with very short hair who wear pieces, young guys in theor 20's all the way up to older guys in their 70's. He had never considered this option because when he thought about a wig or a hairpiece or a toupee, he always envisioned a Davy Crocket hat looking thing that could slide off with the slightest gust of wind.

Joe is utterly amazed. He reads up on this new technology in hairpiece design, finding out that he really didn't know sh!t about what hairpieces were all about. After years of depression and lack of confidence, he decides to place his first order for a hairpiece that is made with real human hair. He is somewhat sceptical about the whole thing because it sounds too good to be true, but once his receives his first order and has it applied and cut, he kicks himself for not being more open to alternatives to his problem. He could have avoided years of suffering had he not been so stubborn. At least now he's happy!

Personally, when I was in my early 20's and losing my hair rapidly it DID start to eat at me. I still managed to date good looking women and live my life, but I knew that I wasn't happy with the fact that I would likely end up as bald as my dad. I knew that my hair looked better cut short, and eventually I took the plunge and shaved it all off.

It was the best thing I had ever done. FRom that point on I no longer had to look in th mirror every day and see my hair getting thinner and thinner. So, for the next 8 years I broke out the Norelco every morning and went about my life without much thought about my hair (or lack thereof).

But then one day I was sitting in the office of a real estate agent that I work with, and he showed me his old driver's license pic and casually brought up the fact that he used to be horribly insecure about being bald, and that he decided to visit a salon to do something about it.

I was blown away because I had no idea that a hairpiece could look exactly like hair growing right out of your scalp. So I decided to do some research. I knew that I would never pay the kind of money this guy was paying for hair (I think he paid $1500 to start and another $300 per month for maintenance), but I decided to research it anyway.

To my shock and amazement I found a couple of websites that came highly recommended for DIY hairpieces. One of them happened to have a message board, so I started reading all of the posts and found a lot of happy customers sharing info on the subject. I found out that I could have a top quality hairpiece for $150, so I said "what the hell, I'm ready for a change" and ordered two of them.

So basically you are here telling us that:

a) Anyone who wears a hairpiece is doomed to walk around terrified of being "outed"

and

b) Cosmetically enhancing your appearance can't make you feel better about yourself, you have to do it from "within"

Anyone else see the flaws in this logic?

What is there to back up? I said that if it was me, I wouldn't get one. Not because of the risk of some chick pulling it off, or the money, but because I thought that wearing someone else's hair and pretending it's yours is not only sad, but very disgusting.

Disgusting? I can understand how someone might think that way. Personally I don't give a rats ass, but to each his own.

Sad? Only in your mind and the minds of others who think like you do, which is fortunately only a small percentage of the population. And the REALLY sad thing is that if the general public KNEW THE FACTS about today's top quality hairpieces there would be even fewer people who think it's "sad". The days of the raccoon pelt falling of your head are over dude. Welcome to 2006.

I wouldn't wear somebody else's underwear, and I sure as hell wont wear somebody else's hair that was mopped up off some salon floor.

Yet another comment that shows just how much you know about this subject. Do some research before you make ignorant comments.

A cow becomes a well grilled steak, which is food that fills my stomach and allows me to survive. I don't have a problem with eating it, because it's essential to my survival and can give me protein nutrients other food (such as veggies) cannot. By obtaining these nutrients, I can age better due to the fact my muscles wont atrophy as fast as they would if I were not to eat the food. I'm not gonna get into the whole list of things that make red meat good since that's not what this thread is about.

Your rug on the other hand is purely cosmetic. It's not necessery to your survival. You are wearing somebody else's hair and pretending it's YOURS in order to cope with an insecurity.

So what you are telling us is that anything that could be considered by someone to be "gross" is fine as long as it's for survival?

You don't have that attitude tho, as evident by all your posts. So far, all the criticism has made you very upset, and while you are trying to pawn it off as "logical debate", you are getting very emotional.

I'm not upset at anything. Like I said I love to poke holes in your so called "logic".

The man said you could blur your face. No one would recognize you. So the whole "I don't want somebody taking my internet picture and doing stuff with it" argument is flawed, as you are well protected. It is evident that you are afraid to post your hairpiece in front of a large crowd of readers due to the fear they'll say you looked better bald, or that you look like a joke. You can try to cover it up, but it's your insecurity is obvious for everybody to see.

I never said I don't want people taking my pic off the internet and "doing stuff with it". Several posters on this board have met me face to face. It's likely that we will be meeting up again soon, and I welcome them to post a critique, good or bad.

Yet you keep bringing it up in every example. Ben Affleck getting laid left and right, Donald Trump getting laid left and right. A big part of your argument is justifying that wearing a hairpiece will get you laid and that you wont get laughed at as long as you are rich and famous.

A big part of my argument is that when you have your sh!t together it doesn't matter what small minded people think of you. Any reference to their ability to get laid had nothing to do with their hair and everything to do with the fact that HAIR OR NO HAIR they get what they want and don't care what others think.

 

[STR8UP]

And you know it's true. Tell every person you know that you meet that you have a hairpiece, and then form the conclusion for yourself. those who are not fake will look down upon those are.

Hmmm....if I WERE as insecure as you think I am about this, I probably wouldn't have already told more than a dozen people about it, now would I?

My whole family knows, all of my close friends know, and even a few people who I just hang out with know. I'm not going to announce it on televison, but I could really care less who knows or what those who do know think about it. I like it and that's ALL that matters.

"Those who are not fake look down upon those who are". LOL

So why don't you just stop cutting your hair? Having your own hair cut and styled to look your best would seem to fall into the "fake" category, would it not? Oh, of course not, YOU determine where the line is drawn and what is actually "fake" or real. And since most reasonable people choose to groom themselves and get a haircut, that's perfectly acceptable to you and Wyldfire. She can wear cheap makeup, but THAT'S not being fake and it's not a waste of money, right? Way to be hypocritical people!

And I'll bet that even your friends and business partners crack jokes about your rug when you are not around.

Uh, no, I doubt it.

I asked several people's opinion on this before I got it done, and all of them said, "If it were me, I would do it".

Maybe the reason all of my friends seemed to like the idea is because I don't hang out with people like you. Judgemental people are a waste of my time.

Your counter-opinion, was to get emotional like a woman and throw insults my way (suggesting I was a blue collar envious of your cash and power, lol - or that I was similar to a redneck Klan member) instead of just being a man about it and seeing it as a different opinion and talking about it like a normal person.

I am talking about it, but your opinions wreak of someone who isn't very open to things that aren't considered "cool" with the masses, even if it is only out of ignorance. And that's MY opinion.

 

[MindOverMatter]

Just because you wear a hairpiece or get a boob job or buy a new shirt DOES NOT mean that you are insecure about something!

Getting a hairpiece or a boob job is not the same as buying a piece of clothing. It's altering your NATURAL body to compensate for something you don't have because you feel you NEED that in order to be a complete person. One of my friends is a plastic surgeon, and most of the clients he gets for boob jobs are either older women who think their husbands wont love them if they just stay the same, or younger girls who think guys wont notice them unless they have big tits. In reality, it's not their lack of tits that's holding them back, it's their self limiting beliefs. One of the sexiest girls I dated had small breasts, and it didn't matter because of the way she carried herself and her attitude.

It's funny, I actually had this conversation with one of my powerlifter buddies at the gym I go to earlier today because this thread was fresh in my mind. This is a guy who has been bald since he was 22 or so, and he's 34 now. He's built like wrestler and his wife is around my age and fine as hell. I asked him if he'd ever go for a toupee if it was completly undetectable and he told me "what for? i love being bald" and his wife laughed when he said this. This is a guy who is perfectly happy with himself and his appearance, and who sees his baldness as a unique characteristic rather then a flaw that needs to be corrected.

You just don't get it. Because YOU personally wouldn't wear hair you assume that anyone who WOULD do so is automatically trying to compensate for something by being "fake". That's nonsense.

I think that people who do get plastic surgeries, and yes hairpieces are ashamed of how they look and insecure in their appearance and try to cover it up with surgeries.

And I'll entertain your burn victim analogy. You know what, I'm not cold-hearted, and if you were actually a burn victim and had disfigured skin all over to the point where everyone would look at you in pity or disgust, I'd look past the grossness of wearing someone else's hair and skin and chalk it up to necessity.

But that's not the case. Your skin is perfectly healthy, and it's not scarred all over. People don't look at you in pity or disgust as they would if you were badly scarred like that. I've walked around with a shaved head for months and never got treated differently. You claim to have success in your life and are well off. You could easily function in your everyday life with a bald head, meet women, establish a great life, and be happy. But instead you have this inner insecurity and are trying to cover it up with an outside fix.

And you know this because you are bald and have tried wearing a hairpiece? No, you aren't losing your hair, and no, you have never wore a hairpiece. So, tell us all how it is that you KNOW that anyone who wears a piece walks around in fear of being discovered? YOU DON'T.

Simple logic. You can't hide something without having the fear of it being discovered. If you didn't have the fear of it being discovered, there would be no need to hide it.

And to say that a self esteem deficit can only be fixed from within is laughable.

And this is where you are wrong.

I personally used to be 6'2 230 lbs of 28% bodyfat. I never had a problem with how I looked, and loved who I was. You'd never see me go under the knife to have fat sucked out of me. One day I decided that I'd want to pursue a police career and started working out to be in a good physical condition so I could do well on their tests. Lost all the weight the normal, hard way, then lifted weights for strength. And while I do love how I look now, years later at 233lbs, 10% bodyfat, I was perfectly content with how I looked before. I didn't see my fat as a handicap, I saw it as a result of many good times and a part of my personality.

I also have what's called a slavic nose, very common in eastern european countries, and even tho it's not very anglo-saxon like in WASP-dominated canada/usa, it's not something I'd change because it's WHO I AM. I don't see it as weakness, or something that needs to be improved, I see it as a unique characteristic that seperates me from the person standing next to me. That's what I mean by fixing self-esteem from within. You look at your bald head as a flaw rather then a characteristic. Glass is half empty rather then glass is half full.

So basically you are here telling us that:

a) Anyone who wears a hairpiece is doomed to walk around terrified of being "outed"

and

b) Cosmetically enhancing your appearance can't make you feel better about yourself, you have to do it from "within"

Anyone else see the flaws in this logic?[/quote]

It's a temporary fix for a problem that comes from within. The fact you see it as "enhancing" you appearance suggests you think being bald is less appealing and that hair is an improvement. You see your baldness as a weakness, instead of a characteristic of who you are. Hence it being an inner problem, rather then an outer one. You may not be a smart man, but even you can comprehend this.

Disgusting? I can understand how someone might think that way. Personally I don't give a rats ass

So why are you all emotional?

Sad? Only in your mind and the minds of others who think like you do, which is fortunately only a small percentage of the population.

Keep telling yourself that champ!

Yet another comment that shows just how much you know about this subject. Do some research before you make ignorant comments.

I have better things to do then research your insecurity. The fact I'm killing time by reading your drivel is enough work for me.

So what you are telling us is that anything that could be considered by someone to be "gross" is fine as long as it's for survival?

I've never heard of anyone (outside of vegeterians) who considers beef to be gross. And yes, if I was bald and lived in a country where all bald people get sterilized/shot, I'd probably be gluing hair to my scalp as well. But that's not the case. I have gone for long periods of time where I shaved my head every day or every 2nd day, and I know that I could easily get through life being bald, and know bald people who dont see it as a handicap.

I'm not upset at anything. Like I said I love to poke holes in your so called "logic".

It's a shame you can't do a better job however.

I never said I don't want people taking my pic off the internet and "doing stuff with it". Several posters on this board have met me face to face. It's likely that we will be meeting up again soon, and I welcome them to post a critique, good or bad.

If you are comfortable with how you look, why hesitate to show it when people ask for a before/after shot?

A big part of my argument is that when you have your sh!t together it doesn't matter what small minded people think of you. Any reference to their ability to get laid had nothing to do with their hair and everything to do with the fact that HAIR OR NO HAIR they get what they want and don't care what others think.

If it doesn't matter what small minded people like me think, why are you wasting your time arguing with me? Unlike the glue that holds that rug tight to your shiny head, your argument is very weak.

 

[STR8UP]

Getting a hairpiece or a boob job is not the same as buying a piece of clothing. It's altering your NATURAL body to compensate for something you don't have because you feel you NEED that in order to be a complete person.

And that differs from buying nice clothes or getting a new haircut or wearing earrings? You are so stuck on your opinion you don't bother to look at it from another perspective.

One of my friends is a plastic surgeon, and most of the clients he gets for boob jobs are either older women who think their husbands wont love them if they just stay the same, or younger girls who think guys wont notice them unless they have big tits. In reality, it's not their lack of tits that's holding them back, it's their self limiting beliefs. One of the sexiest girls I dated had small breasts, and it didn't matter because of the way she carried herself and her attitude.

No doubt, there are plenty of insecure people out there. My point was that just because you get plastic surgery or a tattoo or a new car OR WHATEVER doesn't automatically mean you are insecure! You are so stuck on playing that angle you refuse to acknowledge that people don't always try to improve themselves to make up for a deficiency.

It's funny, I actually had this conversation with one of my powerlifter buddies at the gym I go to earlier today because this thread was fresh in my mind.

So, you are all for going to the gym to alter your physical appearance. that's ok, but anything that you don't consider "natural" or doesn't involve physical labor isn't right. If you were true to what you are saying you wouldn't consciously do ANYTHING to alter your physical appearance.

Me....I go to the gym, get tattoos, buy nice clothes when I feel like it, wear a hairpiece, whatever makes me happy. I try not to limit myself when it comes to making myself happy.

This is a guy who has been bald since he was 22 or so, and he's 34 now. He's built like wrestler and his wife is around my age and fine as hell. I asked him if he'd ever go for a toupee if it was completly undetectable and he told me "what for? i love being bald" and his wife laughed when he said this. This is a guy who is perfectly happy with himself and his appearance, and who sees his baldness as a unique characteristic rather then a flaw that needs to be corrected.

Good for him. It's all good and fine as long as he isn't judging other people on their decisions to do something about their appearance, wheher it is due to insecurity or for any other reason.

I think that people who do get plastic surgeries, and yes hairpieces are ashamed of how they look and insecure in their appearance and try to cover it up with surgeries.

Wow, that's a big generalization. But I guess that's what your entire argument is based upon, isn't it? No happy, well adjusted person would ever think of enhancing their appearance, would they? Get real.

And I'll entertain your burn victim analogy. You know what, I'm not cold-hearted, and if you were actually a burn victim and had disfigured skin all over to the point where everyone would look at you in pity or disgust, I'd look past the grossness of wearing someone else's hair and skin and chalk it up to necessity.

Ahhh! So it isn't that it's WRONG to do, it's just that you have to be pitiful or disgusting for it to be ok. I get it now.

I've walked around with a shaved head for months and never got treated differently. You claim to have success in your life and are well off. You could easily function in your everyday life with a bald head, meet women, establish a great life, and be happy.

Me too. Did it for 8 years. I'm ready for a new experience. Simple as that.

But instead you have this inner insecurity and are trying to cover it up with an outside fix.

Really, if you can't come up with a better point to revolve your stance around you should just give it up already.

Simple logic. You can't hide something without having the fear of it being discovered. If you didn't have the fear of it being discovered, there would be no need to hide it.

There's a difference between hiding something and refraining from advertising it. If someone I hadn't told discovered that I wear a piece I would NEVER deny it. I would simply look them in the eye and say, "Yea, looks great, doesn't it?" If they happen to have the mentality of an eleven year old and want to make fun of it, well, I feel sorry for them.

I personally used to be 6'2 230 lbs of 28% bodyfat. I never had a problem with how I looked, and loved who I was. You'd never see me go under the knife to have fat sucked out of me. One day I decided that I'd want to pursue a police career and started working out to be in a good physical condition so I could do well on their tests. Lost all the weight the normal, hard way, then lifted weights for strength. And while I do love how I look now, years later at 233lbs, 10% bodyfat, I was perfectly content with how I looked before. I didn't see my fat as a handicap, I saw it as a result of many good times and a part of my personality.

Uh yea, the only reason you started working out was to get healthy. Had absolutely nothing to do with improving your appearance, and once your appearance DID improve you felt exactly the same way about yourself as you did when you were fat. No, actually you did it for STRENGTH, cause we all know that benching 400 lbs. is helpful in the real world when you are out wrestling lions and such.

Tell us another one dude, I'm not buying it.

I also have what's called a slavic nose, very common in eastern european countries, and even tho it's not very anglo-saxon like in WASP-dominated canada/usa, it's not something I'd change because it's WHO I AM. I don't see it as weakness, or something that needs to be improved, I see it as a unique characteristic that seperates me from the person standing next to me.

Just the fact that you bring it up tells me that you have put more than a passing thought into the fact that others might consider your nose to be less than perfect. If you like it, more power to you. But don't try to pretend that it has never and never would bother you if someone were to comment about it. I don't care HOW healthy your self esteem is or how much you like your nose, you're gonna feel something or you aren't human.

That's what I mean by fixing self-esteem from within. You look at your bald head as a flaw rather then a characteristic. Glass is half empty rather then glass is half full.

Um, yea I do look at it as a flaw, simply because I feel that I look good bald, but I look better with hair.

That doesn't mean my self esteem is in the toilet because I hate my appearance as you would like everyone to believe. It simply means that I am conscious of my appearance and do whatever I can to improve it. When I look good I feel good. When I look great, I feel even better.

I have better things to do then research your insecurity. The fact I'm killing time by reading your drivel is enough work for me.

Not only are you reading it, but you are also taking the time to respond to it without knowing what you are talking about. You can pull it over on most other people reading this since they likely don't know any more than you do. I'm just letting you know that I know better.

I've never heard of anyone (outside of vegeterians) who considers beef to be gross.

Exactly. And I have no problem with vegetarians who chose to avoid meat or dairy or whatever as long as they don't try to impose their "Did you know that milk is 98% cow pus???" B.S. on me.

I happen to think that anyone who doesn't eat meat is missing out on some of life's greatest delicacies, but hey, whatever. More for me.

If it doesn't matter what small minded people like me think, why are you wasting your time arguing with me? Unlike the glue that holds that rug tight to your shiny head, your argument is very weak.

So we go from "I'm simply stating my opinion" to "Unlike the glue that holds the rug tight to your shiny head". That gives you more credibility.

 

[MindOverMatter]

And that differs from buying nice clothes or getting a new haircut or wearing earrings? You are so stuck on your opinion you don't bother to look at it from another perspective.

Because buying nice clothes, or getting a haircut, or buying an earing is a normal thing to do. It doesn't revolve me putting other person's body parts on me, nor does it involve me going under the knife for a plastic surgeon to pop a few silicones in my pecs.

No doubt, there are plenty of insecure people out there. My point was that just because you get plastic surgery or a tattoo or a new car OR WHATEVER doesn't automatically mean you are insecure! You are so stuck on playing that angle you refuse to acknowledge that people don't always try to improve themselves to make up for a deficiency.

You're not gonna convince me that wearing somebody elses hair and pretending it's yours does not reek of insecurity, I'm sorry.

So, you are all for going to the gym to alter your physical appearance. that's ok, but anything that you don't consider "natural" or doesn't involve physical labor isn't right. If you were true to what you are saying you wouldn't consciously do ANYTHING to alter your physical appearance.

I wouldn't do anything disgusting to alter my appearance, such as wearing somebody else's body parts, no.

Me....I go to the gym, get tattoos, buy nice clothes when I feel like it, wear a hairpiece, whatever makes me happy. I try not to limit myself when it comes to making myself happy.

And I'm cool with that, but the whole thing that started your temper tantrum was the fact I personally would not wear a hairpiece if I was bald due to the fact I thought it was fake and gross to wear someone else's hair and pretend it's mine. Rather then simply accept it as how I think, you are wasting your time trying to change my mind.

Good for him. It's all good and fine as long as he isn't judging other people on their decisions to do something about their appearance, wheher it is due to insecurity or for any other reason.

I'm sure if someone's toupee fell off in the gym, he'd probably pity him. Most people who don't develop those types of insecurities look down on those who do.

Wow, that's a big generalization. But I guess that's what your entire argument is based upon, isn't it? No happy, well adjusted person would ever think of enhancing their appearance, would they? Get real.

No happy, well adjusted person would wear other person's body parts and pretend it's their own, or go under the knife to alter their appearance to the point where they look like someone else (i.e. Joan Rivers)

Ahhh! So it isn't that it's WRONG to do, it's just that you have to be pitiful or disgusting for it to be ok. I get it now.

No, what I'm saying is, if you appearance held you back from having a normal life, then it would be ok. In your scenario, a person covered in burn scars would be unable to live the life of a normal human being as people would usually look at them with pity or disgust and it would affect their life. However you yourself functioned normally for years while being bald, and I myself never got treated any differently with a shaved head (in fact some girls preferred it), so your victim scenario does not apply here. Your shaved head does not hold you back from having a normal life, and putting somebody else's hair on your head and pretending it's yours is not a necessesity, hence why I myself would never do it.

Me too. Did it for 8 years. I'm ready for a new experience. Simple as that.

Each to his own. I personally find it nasty.

Really, if you can't come up with a better point to revolve your stance around you should just give it up already.

Give up on what? Trying to change your mind? That was never my original intent. You'll do that on your own one day, I don't need to bother.

There's a difference between hiding something and refraining from advertising it. If someone I hadn't told discovered that I wear a piece I would NEVER deny it. I would simply look them in the eye and say, "Yea, looks great, doesn't it?" If they happen to have the mentality of an eleven year old and want to make fun of it, well, I feel sorry for them.

That's the first thing you said that I can respect.

Uh yea, the only reason you started working out was to get healthy. Had absolutely nothing to do with improving your appearance, and once your appearance DID improve you felt exactly the same way about yourself as you did when you were fat. No, actually you did it for STRENGTH, cause we all know that benching 400 lbs. is helpful in the real world when you are out wrestling lions and such.

I'll be honest here. After my appearance improved, I did get some additional benefits such as the tables turning, and having girls chase me instead of vice versa. But, that was never my original intent, as I was comfortable with being the one to chase, and had several great girlfriends prior to that. Of course I enjoy my new appearance, but a big reason for that was the fact I put years of work into it. When you can look at progress photos from every week and see the accumulation of small changes that resulted from every rep you did, every proper meal you ate, you can't help but feel proud.

And yes, I did do it for the strength and endurance aspect of it. I think you were so quick to respond that you did not read the part where I said it was for my police career. While maybe in your real estate business a guy doesn't need to bench 400, in my career of choice, I need to be fast enough to catch offenders who run, as well as strong enough to overpower them and put handcuffs on them. Prior to being accepted into training, you have to pass a physical that consists of scenarios such as these (as well as having to carry a 200lbs dummy around for some emergency rescue scenarios) and you need to be strong and fast in order to be #1 in these. A 6'2, 230lbs guy with 28% bodyfat is not athletic enough to pass those, let alone be #1.

Just the fact that you bring it up tells me that you have put more than a passing thought into the fact that others might consider your nose to be less than perfect. If you like it, more power to you. But don't try to pretend that it has never and never would bother you if someone were to comment about it. I don't care HOW healthy your self esteem is or how much you like your nose, you're gonna feel something or you aren't human.

I normally don't even think about it, but this thread brought it up. Obviously growing up as a kid it was something that I felt insecure about, but as I grew into an adult I realized it was not a bad feature at all to have (mostly as the rest of my head grew in proportion to it lol), and was rather a characteristic. I am actually glad I look the way I do, because looking European has gotten me far in a city where girls are sick of dating your average W.A.S.P. If someone were to comment on it (and they did when I was a kid) now, I probably wouldn't give a sh!t as I've experianced life enough to know what I once saw as a flaw is a unique characteristic that makes me who I am. If you wanna call it not being human, fine with me.

Um, yea I do look at it as a flaw, simply because I feel that I look good bald, but I look better with hair.

Ok, now we're making progress. I personally don't see baldness as a flaw or a handicap, hence why I would never glue someone else's hair on my scalp.

That doesn't mean my self esteem is in the toilet because I hate my appearance as you would like everyone to believe. It simply means that I am conscious of my appearance and do whatever I can to improve it. When I look good I feel good. When I look great, I feel even better.

I don't buy it, but if you wanna keep singing it, be my guest.

Not only are you reading it, but you are also taking the time to respond to it without knowing what you are talking about. You can pull it over on most other people reading this since they likely don't know any more than you do. I'm just letting you know that I know better.

This takes about 2 minutes to respond. And please, explain to me what it is that I don't know about? All I've said was that I felt wearing somebody else's hair and pretending it's yours is gross and sad. You are making it sound like I'm spreading false facts about your hairpiece, when I'm not, I'm just giving my opinion.

So we go from "I'm simply stating my opinion" to "Unlike the glue that holds the rug tight to your shiny head". That gives you more credibility.

Lets be fair here, my original post was just that - stating my opinion. After you've decided to get emotional and play the insult card, I saw no reason to refrain from throwing a few shots back. If you want to to have a normal debate with me, all you had to do was refrain from the whole "jealous blue collar redneck klan member" generalization and talk to me like a man or even sent me a PM, and I would have kept it clean.

 

[STR8UP]

Because buying nice clothes, or getting a haircut, or buying an earing is a normal thing to do. It doesn't revolve me putting other person's body parts on me, nor does it involve me going under the knife for a plastic surgeon to pop a few silicones in my pecs.

It doesn't matter what you personally think. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. The problem only comes when you pass judgement on others for making such a choice and assuming that the only reason anyone would do so is out of insecurity.

I personally see nothing wrong with altering your appearance if it makes you happy. Not too long ago a "decent" girl would be a social outcast if she dared get a tattoo. Today lots of girls have them.

I don't follow the herd when it comes to accepting people's choices whether popular or unpopular. I try to see things from other people's perspective. I try not to take anything at face value, because I have learned time and time again from real life lessons that the second you assume something and close yourself off to accepting new ideas and learning the facts, someone else will be right behind you ready to take advantage of your ignorance.

You're not gonna convince me that wearing somebody elses hair and pretending it's yours does not reek of insecurity, I'm sorry.

If the only thing that kept us from seeing eye to eye on this was the fact that you think it's disgusting, I might understand. But I can tell from your posts that there are other issues, such as the fact that you still have misconceptions about hairpieces that skew your opinion of them.

I wouldn't even think about doing this if it didn't look 100% natural. If I were to cover my head with a dead rat and try to pass it off as real, that would be one thing. But the fact is the hairpieces I bought are as good as they get, and if there are people out there who have been in a relationship for a year where their partner had no clue I know I look good in it.

You play the whole disgusting angle as if it were the entire reason why you would never do something like this, but you and I both know that a lot of it has to do with the misconceptions you have, being socially conditioned to associate a hairpiece as laughable, and the fact that you personally (not necessarily other people) would be deathly terrified if someone found out you were wearing.

There are message boards where you can read posts by guys like you who should NEVER wear a hairpiece.....they don't have the right attitude. But there are also plenty of guys who take it with a grain of salt and see it for what it is that do it to enhance their life, not fix it.

The way I see it, if I had to walk around insecure about my hairpiece every second of every day, I wouldn't touch a hairpiece. It's just not worth it. But I know that:

a) I look good in it
b) It is undetectable to pretty much everyone but other hair wearers (and it would even go unnoticed by most of them)
c) I am confident knowing that it won't blow off in the wind or fall off when I bend over or get pulled off during sex

So to me the money involved and the time it takes to maintain are a reasonable investment. If I ever get tired of it, guess what? Time to shave it again. No big deal.

And I'm cool with that, but the whole thing that started your temper tantrum was the fact I personally would not wear a hairpiece if I was bald due to the fact I thought it was fake and gross to wear someone else's hair and pretend it's mine. Rather then simply accept it as how I think, you are wasting your time trying to change my mind.

I noticed that in your initial post you said "thankfully" you weren't destined to lose your hair, which tells me that you DO see it as a flaw. I just caught that.

You also stated that my "cover will be blown" and that I will be "ridiculed" and have to defend myself.

You THINK that all you were doing was stating your opinion, when in fact you got the insult ball rolling by indirectly claiming that the piece is something to be ashamed of. News flash.....lots of people (especially those I associate with) aren't so quick to pass judgement. You might be ashamed of wearing one, but that doesn't mean that everyone would be.

I'm sure if someone's toupee fell off in the gym, he'd probably pity him. Most people who don't develop those types of insecurities look down on those who do.

There ya go again! More Three Stooges/ Seinfeld style hairpiece references. You and most everyone else have the same attitude towards them because you don't know any better and would rather make assumptions than face the fact that you are uninformed and misguided by social conditioning. It's just easier that way, I understand.

No happy, well adjusted person would wear other person's body parts and pretend it's their own, or go under the knife to alter their appearance to the point where they look like someone else (i.e. Joan Rivers)

Once again, an unfounded generalization that you know isn't 100% true. Even if it's 90 or 95% true, I'm sure most people would agree that saying that anyone who wears hair or has plastic surgery can't be happy and well adjusted is not reality.

No, what I'm saying is, if you appearance held you back from having a normal life, then it would be ok.

This is the definition of judgemental.

Who are you to determine if someone's appearance is holding them back? You can't. It's a subjective thing, and as such, for you to make this kind of a statement you are saying that YOU know what's best for other people.

However you yourself functioned normally for years while being bald, and I myself never got treated any differently with a shaved head (in fact some girls preferred it), so your victim scenario does not apply here.

I never personally claimned to be a victim. I was to show you that a self esteem issue CAN be resolved by correcting appearance isues, and how it isn't wrong for someone to want to do so. You agree with me there, but yoe feel that you should be able to judge exactly who is "qualified" to fix such issues and not be considered "fake".

When you can look at progress photos from every week and see the accumulation of small changes that resulted from every rep you did, every proper meal you ate, you can't help but feel proud.

No doubt that hard work instills a sense of pride, as it should. No one is taking anything away from that. But at the same time if someone makes a choice to improve their appearance in another way it isn't right to tell them they are wrong for doing it.

A 6'2, 230lbs guy with 28% bodyfat is not athletic enough to pass those, let alone be #1.

I almost went into the academy myself, so I'll hold the donut jokes...lol

Ok, now we're making progress. I personally don't see baldness as a flaw or a handicap, hence why I would never glue someone else's hair on my scalp.

The why DID you say that "thankfully" you aren't going bald?

And please, explain to me what it is that I don't know about? All I've said was that I felt wearing somebody else's hair and pretending it's yours is gross and sad. You are making it sound like I'm spreading false facts about your hairpiece, when I'm not, I'm just giving my opinion.

Lets see.....you said:

"Unlike the glue that holds that rug tight to your shiny head, your argument is very weak"
*and*
"I'm sure if someone's toupee fell off in the gym, he'd probably pity him."

I know the first one was an attempt to be funny, but the second one is exactly the kind of false impression that leads people to form prejudices. Until they see the real deal, that is.

Some other stuff that is nothing more than your misguided imagination which DOES spread false facts:

"Rugs, no matter how great/realistic they look are like a fake rolex. They look real, feel real, but once the cover is blown (and it will get blown), you will be ridiculed"

You assume everyone has the same hangups that you do. Not so.

"No happy, well adjusted person would wear other person's body parts and pretend it's their own, or go under the knife to alter their appearance to the point where they look like someone else (i.e. Joan Rivers)"

You don't know me. If you spent a week hanging out with me you would see that I have a pretty good life. I don't need anything to make me "complete". Claiming that everyone who alters their appearance "unnaturally" is insecure is ridiculous and only perpetuates that narrow view of the world.

"Tell every person you know that you meet that you have a hairpiece, and then form the conclusion for yourself. those who are not fake will look down upon those are. And I'll bet that even your friends and business partners crack jokes about your rug when you are not around."

Again, you are assuming that everyone else holds the same opinion you do about altering your appearance. Judging by the number of people who have procedures done, I would say that most people would tend to be a little more accepting than you are.

"Because buying nice clothes, or getting a haircut, or buying an earing is a normal thing to do."

You mean these things are acceptable in YOUR eyes. Everyone has a different definition of what's normal or acceptable.

 

[STR8UP]

If you want to to have a normal debate with me, all you had to do was refrain from the whole "jealous blue collar redneck klan member" generalization and talk to me like a man or even sent me a PM, and I would have kept it clean.

I didn't call you a redneck Klan member. I said that both groups of people only accept a narrow view of the world, and I feel sorry for them.

And for the record, although it might have looked like I was responding to your post (I know, I quoted you just before), but the truth is most of the stuff I wrote in that post was geared toward other posters. The main thing that I was picking at with your post is the insinuation that it is wrong to alter your appearance cosmetically and that I did this to cover an insecurity.

 

[Eulogy]

STR8UP, you should get a job selling wigs, seriously.

 

[KarmaSutra]

It's my opinion you two should either kiss or arm wrestle.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Hey, you know I'm always down for hangin with a few of my favorite DJ's. As long as you promise not to ridicule my piece, you know how insecure I am about it....lol

Seriously....hit me up when you want to get together. We still need to do the Blue Martini thing. Last time I went was there I was growing my hair out and had to wear a hat. The meathead bouncer wouldn't let me in wearing a stylish beenie (one of those pretentious BS rules that I hate about that place....it ain't South Beach, it's in THE MALL for christ sakes) but now that I'm rockin' the new 'do I shouldn't have any problems.

Unless some chick spots my piece and decides to run up behind me and pull it off my head while I'm waitng in line, haha

I'm headed up to CT for my brothers wedding. I'll be back in 3 weeks we can all get together then. Looking forward to catching up with all of you guys. I'll drop Rollo an email to check his availability.

 

[STR8UP]

STR8UP, you should get a job selling wigs, seriously.

Job, no. Business, maybe.

As much as I have expressed that I did not in any way do this out of insecurity, there are a TON of guys out there who are losing their hair and looking for a solution.

If people knew the results that can be acheived with today's technology there would be a lot more people taking an interest in hairpieces. With that in mind, people are out there every day paying thousands of dollars per year to salons for an inferior product. Buy something for $100 that retails for $1500 plus AND is of better quality? Sounds like there is a business opportunity waing for someone to take advantage of.

 

[STR8UP]

It's my opinion you two should either kiss or arm wrestle.

Oooh talk dirty big boy!

 

[STR8UP]

I'm headed up to CT for my brothers wedding. I'll be back in 3 weeks we can all get together then. Looking forward to catching up with all of you guys. I'll drop Rollo an email to check his availability.

I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, just let me know, I'm in.