Alec Baldwin: Major AFC; Out of Control

[Latinoman]

Temporarily, yes. It's in both Ireland's AND Alec's best interest to cut contact for AWHILE. Alec needs to go to counseling to deal with his anger and bitterness towards Kim AND especially his anger issue. Father and child NEED a cooling-off period. If he does not back off or the court does not force him to back off he WILL destroy his relationship with his daughter permanently.

That's total bull sh_it.

Who are YOU or I or anyone (other than Court) to determine the best interest between Alec and the child?

I say that the reason this is happening is because Kim is poisoning the child's mind. And that on itself is view in court as CHILD ABUSE.

Another thing...and I have seen it many times...at the end...the daughter WILL look for him. Maybe not now. But in their adulhoods life. At the end...the one loosing will be Kim.

 

[Latinoman]

He will push and try to force his child to cater to HIS wants while entirely ignoring how she feels and what is best for her...if the court doesn't step in.

I don't care how my children feel when it comes to doing what I (as an ADULT and a PARENT) feels is right.

He is trying to do what is best for her. Kim Biatchinger is interfering by influencing the daughter not to contact him and to turn the cell phone off.

 

[Wyldfire]

Fact is...it is NOT up to the child not Kim. It is up to the court.

The child (especially at that age) will always want to go with the parent that buys their love. The parent that allows the child to do whatever.

Once a parent BLATANTLY disobeys the Court. Then that parent on itself is becoming non-fit.

It should be up to the child...because if it were, the parents would be forced to stop using children as pawns to try to hurt and "get even" with each other.

If it were Kim behaving as Alec has behaved I bet you would be insisting that Alec should get full custody and that Kim should be denied all contact. I would be too. The difference is...I don't care whether it is the mother or the father. ANY parent who abuses a child should not have access to that child.

 

[Wyldfire]

That's total bull sh_it.

Who are YOU or I or anyone (other than Court) to determine the best interest between Alec and the child?

I say that the reason this is happening is because Kim is poisoning the child's mind. And that on itself is view in court as CHILD ABUSE.

Another thing...and I have seen it many times...at the end...the daughter WILL look for him. Maybe not now. But in their adulhoods life. At the end...the one loosing will be Kim.

IF Kim is the source of the problem then her daughter will turn against her when she is an adult. IF Alec is the problem then his daughter will have no contact with him at all once she turns 18. Kid's are a lot smarter than they are given credit for. They are also human beings with feelings, thoughts, etc. They are innocent in a divorce, yet they are always the ones who get hurt the most when parents hate each other more than they love their kids.

In cases like this the judge needs to talk privately with the child to find out exactly what's going on.

 

[Latinoman]

It should be up to the child...father.

Up to the child? Jesus Christ...no used debating this topic with you.

 

[Latinoman]

IF Kim is the source of the problem then her daughter will turn against her when she is an adult. IF Alec is the problem then his daughter will have no contact with him at all once she turns 18. Kid's are a lot smarter than they are given credit for. They are also human beings with feelings, thoughts, etc. They are innocent in a divorce, yet they are always the ones who get hurt the most when parents hate each other more than they love their kids.

In cases like this the judge needs to talk privately with the child to find out exactly what's going on.

It is the RESPONSIBILITY of a parent to shape the behavior of a child so the child can become a contributer to society.

No 11 year old child knows crap and they should have ZERO say on who should raise them.

In cases like this...the judge should have taken the child from Kim. Because Kim is NOT following the judge order. Simple as that.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

IF Kim is the source of the problem then her daughter will turn against her when she is an adult. IF Alec is the problem then his daughter will have no contact with him at all once she turns 18. Kid's are a lot smarter than they are given credit for. They are also human beings with feelings, thoughts, etc. They are innocent in a divorce, yet they are always the ones who get hurt the most when parents hate each other more than they love their kids.

In cases like this the judge needs to talk privately with the child to find out exactly what's going on.

So lets wait until she is 18. Lets allow these two troubled parents continue to mess up the child for another 7 years. Maybe at that point she will be messed up for life. Sure, let the mother poison her mind for another 7 years, and after that, she (the child) can decide if she wants to have a relationship with her father.

In cases like this the judge ( along with unbiased health/mental professionals) need to decide what is going on.

So what is it? Should the judge and health pro's decide, or should the 11 year minor decide???? Your starting to flip flop here.

 

[Wyldfire]

Up to the child? Jesus Christ...no used debating this topic with you.

If you view the child as marital property rather than a human being then no, there is no use debating with me on the topic.

 

[Latinoman]

If you view the child as marital property rather than a human being then no, there is no use debating with me on the topic.

The child is not a property. The child has PARENTS (two parents). And both parents or at least one will have to RAISE that child. Who?

The judge (or somebody assigned by the judge) should and will decide that.

I STRONGLY believe (as I have followed this case) that Kim is NOT the proper person to take custody over the child. The reason is simple: she has disregarded (CONSTANTLY) the court orders. She simply does not want Alec around the girl. And the reasons have NOTHING to do with Alec's ability to be a father. The reasons are personal.

Now, if Alec CONTINUES to behave the same way he did in the telephone...then he also would have issues. In fact, if he DENIES his mother the ability to see the girl, then he has serious issues.

No parent should be denied the right to see/raise his/her child unless the safety or wellbeing of the child was at risk. That's not the case in here, regardless of the voicemail.

 

[Wyldfire]

It is the RESPONSIBILITY of a parent to shape the behavior of a child so the child can become a contributer to society.

No 11 year old child knows crap and they should have ZERO say on who should raise them.

In cases like this...the judge should have taken the child from Kim. Because Kim is NOT following the judge order. Simple as that.

Yes, it is the responsibility of a parent to shape the behavior of a child by setting an example in their own behavior. We don't know the details of why or even if Kim has violated court orders. That case is still pending and at this point is nothing more than accusations by Alec.

What we DO know is that Alec has demonstrated verbally and emotionally abusive behavior towards his child out of anger towards his ex. We KNOW that his behavior is BAD and no judge in their right mind is going to put any child in his custody because he has clearly demonstrated that he is NOT setting a good example for his child to learn her behavior from.

 

[Wyldfire]

So lets wait until she is 18. Lets allow these two troubled parents continue to mess up the child for another 7 years. Maybe at that point she will be messed up for life. Sure, let the mother poison her mind for another 7 years, and after that, she (the child) can decide if she wants to have a relationship with her father.

In cases like this the judge ( along with unbiased health/mental professionals) need to decide what is going on.

So what is it? Should the judge and health pro's decide, or should the 11 year minor decide???? Your starting to flip flop here.

The court DID order a counselor to work with the girl. The court appointed the therapist. The therapist reported back information that went against Alec's claims. Rather than alter his behavior, Alec accused the therapist of "siding with Kim" and filed yet another motion asking that the court appoint a different therapist. Kim didn't pick the therapist...the court did.

Everything being reported indicates that Alec is so obsessed with his anger and bitterness with Kim that he hates his ex more than he loves his child.

 

[Latinoman]

We don't know the details of why or even if Kim has violated court orders.

Doesn't matter the details. Fact is her (via lawyer) violated the court orders. And this is NOT the first time either.

We KNOW that his behavior is BAD and no judge in their right mind is going to put any child in his custody.

I am willing to bet that MANY judges would overlook this. Judges don't get "emotional" like you or the press. In fact, I bet that a judge would view a parent CONSTANTLY disregarding court orders as more damaging to a child. And the leaking of the tape is considerably more damaging to the child, THAT is why it was ORDERED to stay sealed.

Mark my words...Kim and her challenging attituted toward court is going to bite her in the azz.

None of us have all the facts...the Judge does.

 

[Latinoman]

The court DID order a counselor to work with the girl. The court appointed the therapist. The therapist reported back information that went against Alec's claims. Rather than alter his behavior, Alec accused the therapist of "siding with Kim" and filed yet another motion asking that the court appoint a different therapist. Kim didn't pick the therapist...the court did.

Everything being reported indicates that Alec is so obsessed with his anger and bitterness with Kim that he hates his ex more than he loves his child.

Actually...Kim DENYING Alec's the ability to contact (and in the past even see) her daughter...and CHALLENGING the court (even the judge) is a clear indication that she is bitter and that she is UNFIT to follow Court Orders (as they are the ones deciding what's best for the girl).

 

[Wyldfire]

The child is not a property. The child has PARENTS (two parents). And both parents or at least one will have to RAISE that child. Who?

The judge (or somebody assigned by the judge) should and will decide that.

I STRONGLY believe (as I have followed this case) that Kim is NOT the proper person to take custody over the child. The reason is simple: she has disregarded (CONSTANTLY) the court orders. She simply does not want Alec around the girl. And the reasons have NOTHING to do with Alec's ability to be a father. The reasons are personal.

Now, if Alec CONTINUES to behave the same way he did in the telephone...then he also would have issues. In fact, if he DENIES his mother the ability to see the girl, then he has serious issues.

No parent should be denied the right to see/raise his/her child unless the safety or wellbeing of the child was at risk. That's not the case in here, regardless of the voicemail.

I disagree that Alec should have custody of his daughter. What he is doing IS damaging to his child. He is taking out his anger on her. My ex husband started with verbal and emotional abuse too...and it didn't take to long before he added physical abuse to his repertoire of efforts to control others. If it's found that Kim is actually guilty of what Alec claims then Ireland should be sent to live with relatives who love her more than they hate each other so she can actually have peace in her life.

 

[Wyldfire]

Doesn't matter the details. Fact is her (via lawyer) violated the court orders. And this is NOT the first time either.





I am willing to bet that MANY judges would overlook this. Judges don't get "emotional" like you or the press. In fact, I bet that a judge would view a parent CONSTANTLY disregarding court orders as more damaging to a child. And the leaking of the tape is considerably more damaging to the child, THAT is why it was ORDERED to stay sealed.

Mark my words...Kim and her challenging attituted toward court is going to bite her in the azz.

None of us have all the facts...the Judge does.

And you are assuming that it was Kim or someone acting on her behalf who released the tape. Who is to say that she didn't file it as evidence in court and some court clerk saw a chance to make a lot of money for selling it to TMZ and made a copy? Who is to say Ireland didn't forward the message to a friend whose parents sold it to TMZ?

There are MANY ways the voice mail message could have been leaked. TMZ reps have been interviewed and I've watched those interviews. They have been hinting that it was Ireland herself who released it and that she is glad it is receiving all the attention and hopes that it's release will finally stop all the "noise".

How do you know that Kim has a challenging attitude towards the court? I've searched news articles back to 2001 and all I've seen is a bunch of accusations being thrown out there without any proof to back the accusations up.

If the judge were going to overlook it they would not have barred all contact between Alec and Ireland after the message became known to them.

Oh...and who is to say that Alec didn't release the message himself in an attempt to get Kim in trouble? It would make as much sense for him to release it as it would for her to release it.

 

[Wyldfire]

Actually...Kim DENYING Alec's the ability to contact (and in the past even see) her daughter...and CHALLENGING the court (even the judge) is a clear indication that she is bitter and that she is UNFIT to follow Court Orders (as they are the ones deciding what's best for the girl).

Kim is the one who left Alec. The person who leaves is never the bitter one. It's always the person who was left. And again...there is no PROOF that Kim is denying Alec contact with their daughter. There are only Alec's accusations of such.

 

[Latinoman]

It was reported in the news several weeks ago that kim was literally challenging court orders by denying alec access. No offense, but you are giving me the impression that your own past experiences are clouding your judgment. The typical bitterness I made reference when I advice against dating 35+ wowen that are also 5+ year older than the man. Too much emotional baggage.

 

[Paradox]

And so it goes.

Thread closed.

P.S. I loved Alec in the movie "Vampires". Oh wait that was Daniel. Nevermind.