Alec Baldwin: Major AFC; Out of Control

[Wyldfire]

Here is a recent photo of Ireland Baldwin
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2007/04/kim_basinger_01.jpg

Kids of famous parents actually tend to grow up more quickly than normal kids do. She probably has her own cell phone and computer and the internet. She could have easily emailed that voice mail to TMZ.com without her mother even knowing about it.

 

[Bad_Lil'Pixie]

To me, their both playing the child as nothing more then a pawn. Kim pushes and baits him KNOWING his anger management is poor, he pushes her with verbal slams and they both use the child like a weapon. He's bad mouthing his ex, she's bad mouthing him and the child is trying to please and live up to expectations set before her.

Sure what he did was wrong, regardless of your frustration you keep your temper in check when it comes to children.

She was wrong, sending it over to the press. Save your arguments that it "might not have been her", it was probably some flunky paralegal that her and her attorney set up, to tell you the truth. But in some way, she did push it through, it wasn't done out of her control or knowledge.

To me, the fault lays heaviest on the judicial system that left the custody of this child so open and undefined. The FIRST concern of the court should be for the child’s well being. If the non-custodial parent (dad) had prearranged times to call his child and the custodial parent hinders that or does not see that the child is available for the call then they should be held responsible. An 11 year old is NOT a qualified decision maker, at 11 you still should have some form of parental leadership in your life.

I am not really thrilled about an 11 year old having an unmonitored cell phone to begin with. Had this child had proper supervision she'd not gotten that message to begin with. Not only did the custodial parent fail to protect her from the call, the custodial parent set her up worldwide to be embarrassed.

It is ashamed that her childhood memories are so inundated with the hate each parent held for each other.

To me this all further shows that sperm and egg does NOT a parent make.

 

[logic1]

The real reason Alec Baldwin acted the way he did.

To put it in clinical terms. He is classified as a Pathological Narcissist.

He quit maturing emotionally before he was a teenager. The world evolves around him...........and only him.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

The real reason Alec Baldwin acted the way he did.

To put it in clinical terms. He is classified as a Pathological Narcissist.

He quit maturing emotionally before he was a teenager. The world evolves around him...........and only him.

To put it in clinical terms, Go out there and get laid. I love the world of geekdom.

I am almost sure you meant "revolves" instead of "evolves", anyway, they are booth very messed up, egomaniacs who are using their child.

 

[logic1]

Hey Gansta or whatever

Why did that comment strike a cord with you??

I was giving my opinion of one of the questions asked in this thread

Carry on

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Hey Gansta or whatever

Why did that comment strike a cord with you??

I was giving my opinion of one of the questions asked in this thread

Carry on

Carry on my wayward son!! I didn't mean to hurt your little feelings. If I did, I apologize to you.

Because the ex wife is just as sick, and is using the child (denying visitation rights, etc) capitalizing on Mr. Baldwin's anger issues. They are both sick. To blame just him would be naive.

 

[Wyldfire]

Well, if this is the way Alec Baldwin always treats his daughter and the girl is coming back and telling her mother she doesn't want to see him (quite possible) then Kim MAY be trying to avoid cooperating with visitation, which, in a case of the other parent verbally and emotionally abusing the child, would be justified.

I'm not saying that Kim is not contributing to the problem and handling the situation badly. I'm just saying that it is almost always the person who was left that causes the problems in a divorce...and Alec was the one who was left. I'm also saying that I think it's entirely possible that the daughter is responsible for the leak of the message and that it's also quite possible that her mother had no knowledge of it. You can bet that Kim would use it in court. In fact, it would have had much more impact had she kept it quiet until court...because she would have proof and could not be accused of leaking it to the media and risk having it thrown out. Strategically speaking...it was stupid to leak it. That's also why I'm really leaning more towards the daughter doing it. She could have done it to embarrass both of her parents so badly they would stop acting like idiots. She could have done it to get it thrown out as evidence. She could have done it to force the court to stop making her see and talk to her father. There's lots of things that could have happened.

 

[logic1]

Gansta

You dont know me so dont act like you do!

You dont need to apologize and for what?...................

You can have the last say. I'l disappear for a while.

 

[Wyldfire]

I just heard on cable news that last fall Alec Baldwin behaved in an even worse way towards his daughter at the Los Angeles airport because he didn't like the way she had packed her bag. Apparently a bunch of witnesses saw him fly into a rage and tell her "I'm going to kill you if you pack like that again", among other things and that tears were streaming down her face while he verbally attacked her in public.

I really am convinced it was his daughter that leaked the message even more now. No one wants to be around someone who snaps at them over something so trivial as how they pack or missing a phone call...scheduled or not. I bet the girl leaked it because the judge keeps ignoring her mother asking the judge to deal with this. It would explain why Kim would try to avoid going along with visitation, too. I really do think the girl is responsible for the leak.

 

[Latinoman]

The actor (used loosely) Alec Baldwin has been in a tumultuous custody battle with Kim Basinger. It has exposed his AFC ways as shown in a voice mail message obtained by TMZ.com. Fellas, whatever happens in your life, don't become this guy. Oh yeah, he's not talking to Kim.

Listen to the voice mail message.

He is an AFC...but not because of this incident (although, I don't like some of the words he used...I feel his anger is more than justified and I will explain later why).

He is an AFC for the way he was acting toward Kim when they both were together. He was treating her like if she was the ONLY GREAT WOMAN to ever live.

The issue on the child is different. The child is getting the parents to fight each other, so she can get away with whatever she wants. This is very common in divorces (I know that for a fact). The COURT ordered that Alec be able to call his child at a certain date and time. The last two times he has done that...the child has turned the cell phone off. This is the ONLY time he is allowed to contact the child by Court Order as Kim didn't want him near the child and the court is forcing her to allow him to make the calls.

The child is a bratt. And she is destine to become a Paris Hilton or that skinny Ritchie girl is she is not put into place.

The ironic part of this is that Alec is a Progressive Liberal...but he acted like a Conservative (which believe in discipline).

Leaking that voice mail to the Media is more damaging to the child than the tongue lashing (I had my shared of tongue lashing and turned out alright and have given my share and my children turned out alright too).

 

[Latinoman]

Well, if this is the way Alec Baldwin always treats his daughter and the girl is coming back and telling her mother she doesn't want to see him (quite possible) then Kim MAY be trying to avoid cooperating with visitation, which, in a case of the other parent verbally and emotionally abusing the child, would be justified.

Kim is not cooperating with Visitation, because Kim is a biatch. She has been putting her daughter against her dad from the get go and she has been uncoperative with the Court. If anything, she is unfit to have the child, because she is not abiding by the concept of Co-parenting.

Here is the thing...Alec is trying to do what a LOT of fathers don't want to do. And that is be part of his child life.

Now, losing control is not cool. But if I was in his shoes under the same circunstances in which the only time I can interact with my child is by a phone call at ___ time at ___ day (because the Court ORDERED my wife to make my child accessible for that phone call)...and turns out that for the second consecutive day that phone is OFF. I would be SUPER PISSED OFF too.

 

[Latinoman]

I am not really thrilled about an 11 year old having an unmonitored cell phone to begin with. Had this child had proper supervision she'd not gotten that message to begin with. Not only did the custodial parent fail to protect her from the call, the custodial parent set her up worldwide to be embarrassed.

And in my book it comes down to the above quote.

The custodial parent FAILED miserably on this issue. She has an unsupervised child and she set her up worldwide to be embarrassed.

As I said...in my eyes (and I'm sure the eyes of MANY conservative judges in America)...that's much more damaging that lashing at the child (now, if he continues with that lashing...then he should be considered unfit too).

 

[Latinoman]

NO ONE GIVES A RAT'S ASS ABOUT YOUR BABY'S DADDY AND HOW YOU WERE A MORON TO BE KNOCKED UP BY A DUDE WHO'S NOW IN PRISON.

So much emotion! I dont even know how to change font sizes!

 

[Latinoman]

The best thing for both the child AND Alec is for them to have no contact for awhile until he deals with his anger towards her mother. If he continues to take out that anger on his daughter...she will hate him. IF Kim is "brainwashing" their daughter, the kid will figure it out and then it will be her mother that she hates. That's how it works...kids aren't stupid.

So...deny the Father ALL contact from the child...but ALLOW the mother to continue to have contact?

What kind of sh_it is that?

 

[speed dawg]

NO ONE GIVES A RAT'S ASS ABOUT YOUR BABY'S DADDY AND HOW YOU WERE A MORON TO BE KNOCKED UP BY A DUDE WHO'S NOW IN PRISON.

I found her post fairly interesting and it could possibly be useful to someone reading this thread. Yours, on the other hand....

 

[Wyldfire]

Kim is not cooperating with Visitation, because Kim is a biatch. She has been putting her daughter against her dad from the get go and she has been uncoperative with the Court. If anything, she is unfit to have the child, because she is not abiding by the concept of Co-parenting.

Here is the thing...Alec is trying to do what a LOT of fathers don't want to do. And that is be part of his child life.

Now, losing control is not cool. But if I was in his shoes under the same circunstances in which the only time I can interact with my child is by a phone call at ___ time at ___ day (because the Court ORDERED my wife to make my child accessible for that phone call)...and turns out that for the second consecutive day that phone is OFF. I would be SUPER PISSED OFF too.

Alec is and has always been a short-tempered verbally abusive hot head. He has an anger problem that he needs to deal with. That is why his ex left him in the first place. It's most likely also why his daughter is avoiding him.

If your child begs and cries to their mother not to have to talk to or see their father because of verbal abuse or any kind of abuse the mother is going to try to protect their child. If that's what's going on then you really can't fault Kim for not wanting to send their daughter off to get verbally and emotionally abused.

Children are not possessions, they are human beings...and in divorce, both the parents and the courts treat them like possessions. The judge needs to bring that girl into his or her chambers and talk to her and find out what is going on and what the girl wants and why.

The court put the girl in therapy and appointed a therapist. Alec tried to have the court switch therapists because the one the court originally appointed was reporting to the court that Alec was behaving badly towards his daughter.

Everything that has come out points towards Alec being abusive and controlling to his child. Since it REALLY look like he's a verbally and emotionally abusive control freak, he would have treated Kim that way as well. Once you divorce someone like that they try to use the children and court to exert that control. He's filing one court motion after another...many of them over very trivial things. He is clearly the problem...not only for his daughter, but also for himself.

 

[Wyldfire]

So...deny the Father ALL contact from the child...but ALLOW the mother to continue to have contact?

What kind of sh_it is that?

Temporarily, yes. It's in both Ireland's AND Alec's best interest to cut contact for AWHILE. Alec needs to go to counseling to deal with his anger and bitterness towards Kim AND especially his anger issue. Father and child NEED a cooling-off period. If he does not back off or the court does not force him to back off he WILL destroy his relationship with his daughter permanently.

He will push and try to force his child to cater to HIS wants while entirely ignoring how she feels and what is best for her...if the court doesn't step in.

I'm not suggesting the court cut all contact permanently at this point. I'm suggesting they cut contact for 6 months and tell Alec they will review things in 6 months...and make suggestions about what he should do to regain visitation. Until he can show that he has addressed his anger, bitterness, need to control others and can take responsibility for what he has been doing wrong rather than blame his ex for HIS behavior he should not see his daughter.

If the court does this and he does what they tell him he must to see his daughter or speak to her again then he is putting his child first. If he refuses then he is putting himself first and the court should tack on another 6 months.

That's the only way this child is going to be able to live in peace. This is about the CHILD, not about Alec or Kim.

If he doesn't fix his issues now and the court doesn't protect his daughter from his abuse then his relationship with her will be horrible. She will resent him, despise him, will not be pleasant for him to see, etc.

When that girl turns 18 she will never see or speak to her father again if he continues the way he's going.

 

[Wyldfire]

I found her post fairly interesting and it could possibly be useful to someone reading this thread. Yours, on the other hand....

Call_Me_Daddy is a troll, fyi.

 

[wayword]

NO ONE GIVES A RAT'S ASS ABOUT YOUR BABY'S DADDY AND HOW YOU WERE A MORON TO BE KNOCKED UP BY A DUDE WHO'S NOW IN PRISON.

LMFAO - this post should be stickied.

If you want functional advice, you have to go to functional women.

 

[Latinoman]

If your child begs and cries to their mother not to have to talk to or see their father because of verbal abuse or any kind of abuse the mother is going to try to protect their child. If that's what's going on then you really can't fault Kim for not wanting to send their daughter off to get verbally and emotionally abused.

Fact is...it is NOT up to the child not Kim. It is up to the court.

The child (especially at that age) will always want to go with the parent that buys their love. The parent that allows the child to do whatever.

Once a parent BLATANTLY disobeys the Court. Then that parent on itself is becoming non-fit.