The phenomenon of attractive women going out with these beta nerdy pipsqueak guys really doesn't make any sense no matter how I look at it. I don't think I'm overestimating my attractiveness either
This can happen. My photos all rated between 6.8 and 7.4 on Photofeeler. I am an upper range normie. I have good hair.
There was one woman that I had a first date with as a result of a swipe app. It was a "one date, no sex, no second date" type interaction. I did want to see her again. She didn't reply to a text.
I did check her Instagram after the fact and found out she ended up in an LTR with a soy-ish looking, balding beta male. She also has posted some hardcore SJW stuff on her Instagram, including many pro-BLM messages. It seems like I didn't miss anything there.
I could be quite offended and insulted by that occurrence but I ignore it and laugh it off. I would not have been a good fit for a hardcore SJW and pro-BLM White woman.
I don’t do online dating anymore but when I did I actually got decent matches. I do notice what you’re talking about though.
You had a lot of crap interactions too. Although it seems like you had fewer "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions in which you wanted to see the woman again, you seemed to have more 2-3 date, no sex type interactions. You have made the correct choice in avoiding online dating. Most normie range males are better off by not using swipe apps or sending DMs on Instagram.
keep in mind that the women who are online dating are the ones that nobody else wants. So you’ll be double frustrated.
This is mostly true. The most desirable women can arrange dates and find relationships without using a tech-based method. With later Millennials and Gen Z, social skills are quite impaired so more and more of them have resorted to the tech-based methods. Instagram is considered less sketch than Tinder/Bumble/Hitch.
The frustration you describe is real.
Most women settle... I don’t find many single 40 something females saying f the beta male... I’m dying alone.
they will marry the beta... play house with the beta... post pictures all over social media with the beta... and if the opportunity presents itself to branch swing even a mm up the tree they will take it. Then blame the beta for everything and society will side with her.
Feminism has been telling women to "Never Settle!" since the 1970s. Most of the Baby Boomer generation got that message, all Gen X and Millennial females got that message, and Gen Z is now starting to get that message.
Most Boomer women ended up settling for the beta male. Unlike subsequent generations, a lot of Boomer women were at least somewhat content settling for the beta male.
More Gen X'ers and Millennials have taken "Never Settle!" to heart, though most have ended up settling. In the next 5-10 years, there are going to be more and more women turning 40 who are never married and childless. Are they going to settle? Women turning 40 right now are Millennials. Millennials have the reputation of thinking of themselves as special snowflakes.
You're correct about what happens when Gen X and Millennial women marry the beta. Unlike Boomer women who could at least be somewhat content with their betas, Gen X and Millennial women have been more prone to monkey branch from their betas even after hyping their family lives on social media.
Every single girl I’ve ever dated has hit me up at some point.... and asked to meet up and catch up. They were all married... i never took them up on it but am pretty sure that’s the norm in today’s society.
I guess they had you in an Oort Cloud orbit. Now that I think about it, a friend of mine was getting a lot of "2nd chance" setups with women that had been set up with him many years later, and they were all divorcees by then.
He considered the ones that had kids to be booty calls (until the chicks figured out he wasn't budging), and the ones that were still childless to be truly dateable; he ended up marrying one of the latter.
I have not had the experience of women hitting me up later for the most part. I think most of this has to do with my relocations. I'm not the same places as where I attended high school and college. I think men that are geographically fixed in the same area for a longer time tend to experience this more.
Also, Oort Cloud? Top tier guys who get laid never talk about Oort Clouds.
I'm not looking for a Republican Christian woman either.
That's a tough niche to find in most big US metro areas. Most Millennial women have been moderate to liberal and a declining number have been practitioners of Christian (both Protestant and Catholic) religions. It doesn't seem like Gen Z is going to be much different on that.
Over the last 15-20 years, most women I've run into have been occasional at most church attendees and moderate to liberal on their political philosophy.
I saw far more women on apps say "Swipe left if conservative" than express any sort of right wing political ideology.
I said I'm so niche that almost all women have nothing in common with me
That's amazing. Is that because your city is too small for your niche? It's difficult to imagine someone so niche like that but it is possible.
I saw this video of his the other day that I thought was a good take, he talks about how taking a girl out for dinner and a movie is a thing of the past in the modern dating scene. And I gotta say that I agree with him because in the present day with OLD, women have a never ending selection of men to choose from and its so easy for them to just agree to a date with a man that they have no interest in to just use him as a meal/drink ticket and then never see him again. She might not even stick around for the movie part of the date since she got her free food and instead just make an excuse to end the date early before going to the movies and then ghost the guy. This is why Aaron said that today, men have to be cheaper and buy nothing more than a cup of coffee early on and save dinner and a movie until you get further with a girl to where you know she wants to keep seeing you. It does seem like most guys have been doing that in today’s dating scene and it does prevent you from being a meal/drink ticket and allows you to more easily filter out women who want to use you for that.
I keep thinking that the dinner in a restaurant, early stage date is dead in 2023. I started reading in the early 2010s how about early stage dinner dates in restaurants were a bad idea and stopped doing them. I wasn't on the forefront of this idea. However, I still hear about men on swipe apps using dinner in restaurants first dates.
Men have to do inexpensive first dates, but coffee is a bad date. Most coffee dates are neutral because coffee shops are not conducive to escalation. When a woman has a neutral time, there is no second date. Alcoholic drinks in bars are a better idea than coffee. Bars and alcohol can help with escalation, even 1-2 drinks. Going over 2 drinks on a first date isn't that good of an idea for a lot of reasons. Men can still lose a lot of money doing drinks-only in bars dates.
No dinner dates in restaurants prior to sex is a very good idea. Dinner dates are better for established couples.
As for the movie theater, it's a holdover from another era. TV set technology has improved a lot in the last 20 years, so the home viewing experience is better than it was with tube TV sets, VCRs, and movie rental stores in the 1980s-1990s. Netflix's original DVD by mail feature was better than movie theaters and TV set technology was starting to get better then. Streaming has been the evolution of the DVD/Blu-ray by mail concept. The combination of better home hardware technology and better content delivery (discs then streaming) makes the movie theater obsolete.
Netflix & chill > any movie theater date in the past
Movie theater dates in the late 20th century and even into the 2000s were overrated dates. It was both silent and public, which is a bad combination. The older guys on this forum might have gone on more movie theater dates a long time ago. I doubt anyone on this forum would give good feedback about them.
Online daters are too busy or too cheap to eat out when they first meet.
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