A Woman Can't Flake On You; If You Do This...MODE ONE!!! Part 2

[pipeman84]

I won’t lie that was super weird for us both. We got off but that was a one timer.

Can you elaborate on this? Don't say it's the age difference

 

[BPH]

This reminds me of a player friend of mine...37yrs old, he fvcked a 21yrs old the first time she came to his house...previously they only interacted on social media as he was out of town. So after that, she told him he's too old for her. I told him that IMO he didn't fvck her properly (compounded by the fact she probably had higher expectations) or it was something to cross off her bucket list (fvcking an older guy). I don't buy the 'you're too old for me' line...it has a superficial logic to it but it's BS.

I might believe that if she started out that way in the morning, but we were making out and she was cuddled on me just as she had been the night before. But considering the number of times I've had my age be the dealbreaker in a conversation, there's gotta be more to it than my "mental self-confidence" or something.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Can you elaborate on this? Don't say it's the age difference

It was me and her both dealing with the age in our own way. I have a daughter and I couldn’t totally get past the head trash of essentially being twice this girls age. She in her own right was clearly nervous and in our pillow chat it came out that she likes to essentially fvck her problems away but I just know people and call
It intuition something Under the surface there like a cognitive dissonance type thing on her end. I don’t know how else to put it.

 

[T_Rex]

There are always exceptions to the rule but I'm genuinely curious where/how this happened for Divorced.

I made a thread talking about this because I literally slept with a girl, stayed overnight, made out a bunch in the morning, and when she asked how old I was, having forgotten when I told her the night before, her entire demeanor changed...

When I went to kiss her goodbye she turned and gave me her cheek...there were plenty of other moments where finding out my age ended an otherwise good conversation with girls who were super interested up until that point, but this event was what caused me to make that thread.

So, that's why I'm curious about what Divorced did because I run into this problem way too much being 6-7 years older than these girls, while this man has another 10.

I would take that as just another **** test. It's either that or she just have a inside rule she'll only date guys at a certain age (which is just another **** test anyways). Now this wouldn't be as written in stone as you think, otherwise she wouldn't have forgotten when you said it the first time. Make a joke about it and shrug it off. See how the next one reacts.

In any case, she didn't felt you were too old when you were inside her. So if you don't have plans to make a given girl a LTR, lie. Women are amoral anyway. What difference does it make to a girl you'll hump & dump if you're 23, 25 or 28? Now if you think this girl is girlfriend material and you want her share a life with you, I don't think she'll bother you're 28, 25 or 32 if she likes you enough to have a LTR with you anyways. It's kind of a irrelevant fact. And for a LTR is kind is a positive.

Funny thing is I watched a youtube video about it yesterday. Here it goes

 

[Divorced w 3]

@Divorced w 3 I followed the entire scenario from beginning to end, and my question to you is where and how did you develop such smooth and effective Game?

You've been married and have 3 kids so I assume you were married for many years?

And why would a guy like you with your obvious confidence and great Game even want to be married in the first place?

Good Game and the type of IDGAF c0cky confidence you seem to possess take years to develop, there are single men who have been playing this Game for YEARS who aren't as smooth as you are!

Not trying to flatter you, I'm genuinely curious about this.

EDIT: I'm also curious why you don't drink? If that's too personal a question, no need to answer.

Driving. Will clme back to you. Going to be a bit.

 

[pipeman84]

But considering the number of times I've had my age be the dealbreaker in a conversation, there's gotta be more to it than my "mental self-confidence" or something.

If the conversation happens before sex, then yeah, I get it, a legitimate preference of that girl. If it happens after, then I see it just as a convenient excuse...think of the other guys close to her age that she dumped after sex...she just used a different reason.

In any case, she didn't felt you were too old when you were inside her.

100% this

 

[T_Rex]

Ok wait...so you spend 4 hours at a bar posted up in one spot drinking non-alcoholic beverages all night?

I mean I don't know how often you do this or if you are usually successful when it comes to that but this sounds like a MASSIVE waste of time.

If you read it through and noticed what he did, that's not a waste a time. Mystery/Style actually advises going to the club scene 4 days a week, at least 6 hours a day. You got to put time in if you're going to get good.

But I guess you could call it a waste of time. You could be reading and focusing on yourself and getting better and all of that. Cool. Some people do say young men waste a lot of time chasing skirts. But this is making him get laid, so. What are your priorities? It all depends on what you want to do.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Not to put this whole Mode One thing down or anything, but why is this so popular like it's some special method?

This whole thing seems to boil down to being direct and asking for sex.

Pretty much, yeah.

You speak as if it is no big deal.

Would you approach a stranger and FLAT OUT tell her you want to have sex with her?

Probably not.

Don't downplay it, until you have the balls to do it.

 

[T_Rex]

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Flake excuse... I'd just ghost her now. Like there's not a lot women trying to get a man by however they can get a hold on lmao she's lucky she has you to talk to.

And yeah, she would never. She's not like that. Sure.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

You guys make me feel old. I've read Mode One some 5 years ago, and it was already old by then. And it felt pretty obvious.

But the thing is, it was written in the early 2000s. This stuff doesn't apply anymore. There's hookup culture. You don't take people on dates on 2022 if you just want to smash them, you get to a college party (or club or whatever) and just ask girls if they'd fvck you. They probably will. Or you hit a Tinder-like app and ask girls if they'd fvck you. They probably will. It's not that hard in this day and age.

Guys that recommend parties or swipe apps are usually the same guys that are afraid to cold approach women.

If you are confident in yourself, then you don't have to wait until you or the woman is intoxicated in order to make sh!t happen.

As far as swipe apps; women are receiving hundreds of messages from guys every day...so you can either be one of the hundreds of guys that are blowing up her inbox, or you can be one of the FEW guys that actually have big enough balls to approach her, to her face.

If you're taking a girl on a date, you have already fvcked her and decided she's worth spending some money on. In that case Mode One is either already there or not.

We are in agreement here.

The fact you guys are having arguments in the comments over an ancient fragment of text pretty much written on papyrus (that should be standard DJ knowledge by now) is making me roll on the floor lmao

It may/may not be standard knowledge, but it damn sure isn't standard practice.

Unless of course, after a few drinks you become a hawk and now you are approaching every woman in the club, while before the drinks you were nothing but a chicken that was even afraid to stand next to a woman, much less approach her and start talking.

Go on reddit and read The Red Pill sidebar and recommended books if you already haven't. All the classics are there. That's what everyone of you should know as fundamentals. We must go beyond this and make **** on our own. We face different problems now. We have to create solutions for those problems. It's like you guys haven't even read MM lmao come on dudes.

Let's not reinvent the wheel, ok?

Lets build confidence in ourselves so that we can boldly approach women in non-club or party atmospheres, ok?

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

@SmoothHendrixPS2

Sounds like you know your sh!t, bro.

Game recognize game.

*daps*.

 

[T_Rex]

I think that that chick was like five woman ago @T_Rex lol.

It would appear he's in a constant state of movement.

Text game, night game, day game, wherever game.

Perfecting his Mode One.

yeah, I noticed only after I posted it lmao I thought I was on the last page, I was on the first.

 

[BPH]

Pretty much, yeah.

You speak as if it is no big deal.

Would you approach a stranger and FLAT OUT tell her you want to have sex with her?

Probably not.

Don't downplay it, until you have the balls to do it.

I've done it plenty, but it has not worked out that way.

 

[T_Rex]

Guys that recommend parties or swipe apps are usually the same guys that are afraid to cold approach women.

I'm not "recommending" anything. I'm stating the state of affairs in this day and age. This is how people are doing this OUT of the community. Without any knowledge. And they are getting by pretty well. How you'd get from a description to the predatory behaviour of waiting until women to get intoxicated and then approaching them is beyond me. Nothing I wrote point in that direction. Makes me think.

I guess I was not clear enough: Mode One (and you, for extension) recommend the steps: cold approach -> date -> sex. It made sense 20 years ago. Not today. Or I got you wrong. And then you're just cold approaching women in the middle of the street asking for them to have sex with you. Now I'm sure that'll play out great lmao

No pal. You either get to a "environment" where what you're going to say in the cold approach is accepted by their brains highly driven by what society states as appropriate, or it won't work. It's that simple. This concept is called "calibration". You don't tap the girl in front of you in the bank line and ask if she's into svcking you right now. That's not how female sexuality works.

As far as swipe apps; women are receiving hundreds of messages from guys every day...so you can either be one of the hundreds of guys that are blowing up her inbox, or you can be one of the FEW guys that actually have big enough balls to approach her, to her face.

And very few of those hundreds know what you know and say what you say. If you don't know that by now... Well, better late than never. And it's not like you're the only one approaching her in person today either. Not hundreds, but depending on how hot the girl is at least half a dozen. Most girls will swat you like a fly most of the time without even looking at you. That's why the MM exists. It makes she notice you and want to get your attention.
(And I just now realized you just joined the forum and you are probably clueless. Which makes a lot more sense now.)

And sure, cold approach women with the right mentality and it will work. Like David X though. Not like this. Thinking you'll get up to a girl anywhere without her even looking at you and stating the most crude sexual stuff will work, I'm sorry pal. It won't.

It may/may not be standard knowledge, but it damn sure isn't standard practice.

Again, being noob. There's no such thing as standard practice. Each individual will find the practice that suits him best according to his own way of looking at the situation and his own personality and style. It's not up to you or me to define what should or should not be standard practice.

When I came to the PUA scene, it was pretty much just MM. It didn't fit me. So I went more direct (a bit like you are). Even then MM wasn't standard practice. Think about today when there's no such thing as PUAs anymore.

Lets build confidence in ourselves so that we can boldly approach women in non-club or party atmospheres, ok?

Again, being noob. This is all this forum has been doing for 26 years. Welcome! You found the wheel. Now lurk for a bit and watch how we do it, ok?

(And BTW: Even though MM is even older than M1, MM still applies - and probably will forever. It's based on human group dynamics. That's hard to change. Those concepts and situations are always commonplace. Focus on the mentality of M1 and you'll get by. You're just going to have to adapt it properly (calibration, remember) and it can work too, if that's your style. The Layguide has some good tips on that front. There's also a bootcamp on the DJ Bible. And there's the Stylelife Challenge. All 3 helped me a lot, maybe will help you too)

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I've done it plenty, but it has not worked out that way.

But it did work out.

Because now you know which women aren't f#cking with you, without wasting time or money.

 

[BPH]

But it did work out.

Because now you know which women aren't f#cking with you, without wasting time or money.

Look, I'm all for being direct, but I think people are jumping on this train a little too fast without understanding it. Divorced's story is really good but it's not "Mode One"...that was a 4-hour visit to a bar with a whole storyline of this girl walking away and coming back multiple times.

The easiest lays I've had are where I hit it off with a girl and escalate all the way to the bedroom because I've had enough experience to know what good and bad signs are. Not where I straight up tell them I want to f*** them that night.

This doesn't mean I don't think it works, but there are other ways to go about this if you're good-looking and charming without having to go nuclear out the gate. Realistically I only see something that direct working on a girl by herself...because no matter how much she may want to bang you if she's out with her friends who might judge her for leaving with a random, she won't.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I'm not "recommending" anything. I'm stating the state of affairs in this day and age.

Well let me rephrase that..

Guys that BRING UP social circles or swipe apps [followed by the rest of the sh!t I said].

Is that better?

This is how people are doing this OUT of the community.

Without any knowledge.

And they are getting by pretty well.

There is getting by, and there is getting over.

There is good, and there is great.

There are degrees to everything.

Levels to this sh!t.

And if guys aren't at a closing rate of at least 30%, then they aren't efficient and can be doing better.

How you'd get from a description to the predatory behaviour of waiting until women to get intoxicated and then approaching them is beyond me. Nothing I wrote point in that direction. Makes me think.

First of all, reading comprehension.

I clearly insinuated that in those club/party environments, BOTH the men and the women are intoxicated.

Usually how that stuff works.

I guess I was not clear enough: Mode One (and you, for extension) recommend the steps: cold approach -> date -> sex. It made sense 20 years ago. Not today. Or I got you wrong.

ARC developed the concept of Mode One in the 80's and the book came out in 1999.

So if you want to get technical, modern day dating has just caught up to the sh!t he has been saying for well OVER 25 years.

Second, no, those are not my steps.

No longer, at least.

And then you're just cold approaching women in the middle of the street asking for them to have sex with you. Now I'm sure that'll play out great lmao

And how it plays out will depend on the woman, wouldn't it?

No pal. You either get to a "environment" where what you're going to say in the cold approach is accepted by their brains highly driven by what society states as appropriate, or it won't work.

Society?

I dont know what society you live in, but in my society it is cool to cold approach a woman and tell her what is on your mind.

It's that simple. This concept is called "calibration". You don't tap the girl in front of you in the bank line and ask if she's into svcking you right now. That's not how female sexuality works.

Depends.

She may..

1. Cuss you out and cause a scene.

2. Politely decline and say she doesn't do that kind of stuff with strangers.

3. Say sure, as long as you eat her puzzy first.

So, what have we learned?

We have learned that results may vary, dependent upon the woman.

And very few of those hundreds know what you know and say what you say. If you don't know that by now... Well, better late than never. And it's not like you're the only one approaching her in person today either.

Not hundreds, but depending on how hot the girl is at least half a dozen.

No problems there.

She will pick & choose which man she will rock with out of those half dozen.

Just like I will pick & choose which woman out of the half dozen that I see, I will choose which one I will approach.

See how that works?

Most girls will swat you like a fly most of the time without even looking at you.

Not my experience, but hey.

That's why the MM exists. It makes she notice you and want to get your attention.
(And I just now realized you just joined the forum and you are probably clueless. Which makes a lot more sense now.)

Yeah, I was clueless before I joined the forum.

But then after I joined the forum I begin to soak up high quality, alpha game from guys just like you!!



Yeah, ok.

And sure, cold approach women with the right mentality and it will work.

Dont tell me, tell the naysayers on here this.

Like David X though.

Who?

Not like this. Thinking you'll get up to a girl anywhere without her even looking at you and stating the most crude sexual stuff will work, I'm sorry pal. It won't.

If the girl finds you physically appealing and sexually attractive, then there is no such thing as "crude, sexual' stuff.

Again, being noob. There's no such thing as standard practice. Each individual will find the practice that suits him best according to his own way of looking at the situation and his own personality and style.

Then whatever he finds will be his own "standard practice", now wouldn't it?

But you just said there is no such thing as standard practice.

So, you've just contradicted yourself in a matter of two sentences.

That is what happens when try to go toe-to-toe with someone of superior intellect.

You end up unraveling, and so does your arguments.

It's not up to you or me to define what should or should not be standard practice.

True, but it is up to me to have my own opinion and the freedom to state the opinion.

And my opinion is simple; it should be standard practice.

Again, being noob. This is all this forum has been doing for 26 years. Welcome! You found the wheel. Now lurk for a bit and watch how we do it, ok?

I have been seeing what yall do.

And I do not like what I see.

(And BTW: Even though MM is even older than M1, MM still applies - and probably will forever. It's based on human group dynamics. That's hard to change. Those concepts and situations are always commonplace. Focus on the mentality of M1 and you'll get by. You're just going to have to adapt it properly (calibration, remember) and it can work too, if that's your style. The Layguide has some good tips on that front. There's also a bootcamp on the DJ Bible. And there's the Stylelife Challenge. All 3 helped me a lot, maybe will help you too)

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Look, I'm all for being direct, but I think people are jumping on this train a little too fast without understanding it. Divorced's story is really good but it's not "Mode One"...that was a 4-hour visit to a bar with a whole storyline of this girl walking away and coming back multiple times.

I agree.

The easiest lays I've had are where I hit it off with a girl and escalate all the way to the bedroom because I've had enough experience to know what good and bad signs are. Not where I straight up tell them I want to f*** them that night.

This doesn't mean I don't think it works, but there are other ways to go about this if you're good-looking and charming without having to go nuclear out the gate.

But the point is simple; when you say you and her "hit it off", this insinuates that "after X amount of time, we built rapport".

ARC's point is, you do not have to build rapport with a woman if all you want to do is have sex with her.

The fact that you felt compelled to build rapport only suggests you felt it was required.

You probably could have gotten the puzzy even sooner, had you told her what was really on your mind.

You said yourself that those are your easiest lays...see my point?

Realistically I only see something that direct working on a girl by herself

...because no matter how much she may want to bang you if she's out with her friends who might judge her for leaving with a random, she won't.

I agree.

 

[Don of the north]

How you'd get from a description to the predatory behaviour of waiting until women to get intoxicated and then approaching them is beyond me.

What's predatory about waiting for a woman to get a few beers in her and have a beer goggle effect? I'm sorry, but that sounds like the feminist line of if she's had a beer....then it's SA. If that's the case, ban nightclubs. Common sense would dictate if she's totally wasted where she is barely coherent, then obviously don't make a move. I'm just talking about woman who has a few drinks in her and being a little tipsy/intoxicated.

People are responsible for their actions when they are drunk. If you make the decision to get in a car and drive after being drunk, then you get ARRESTED male or female. Alcohol is not an excuse for poor decision making.

If a man is drunk and a woman is sober and they decide to have sex, do you charge the woman with SA? I don't think so! Equality!!! Remember the ONLY advantage a man has over a woman is physicality.

If a woman is fully conscious and coherent and therefore able to consent, then she is responsible for her actions. If she finds she makes bad hookup decisions when she's drunk, then she should stop drinking so heavily, not blaming a man for a consensual encounter. #ACCOUNTABILITY

The infantilization of women is sickening. Women need to be held to account for their decisions and men need to stop being looked at as predators. If all it took was a few beers to trick a woman into sleeping with a man, then there would be no incels. 30 percent of young men now fall under that category. Women know exactly what they are doing. Don't confuse inhibition reduction with not being able to consent. Alcohol is not love potion #9.

I don't do any night game personally, but I had to call this out. Hell, our society is so crazy simply cold approaching a stone-cold sober women in the day is called "predatory" by some lunatics. When asked to elaborate on WHY it's predatory, they have no reasonable answer. Just "feelings".

 

[Divorced w 3]

@Divorced w 3 I followed the entire scenario from beginning to end, and my question to you is where and how did you develop such smooth and effective Game?

You've been married and have 3 kids so I assume you were married for many years?

And why would a guy like you with your obvious confidence and great Game even want to be married in the first place?

Good Game and the type of IDGAF c0cky confidence you seem to possess take years to develop, there are single men who have been playing this Game for YEARS who aren't as smooth as you are!

Not trying to flatter you, I'm genuinely curious about this.

EDIT: I'm also curious why you don't drink? If that's too personal a question, no need to answer.

I wanted kids
I read seduction prior to getting married so I had a bit of a foundation
i took a job that puts me in front or thousands of people annually between personal and phone based conversations
I took sales courses that unwrapped human motivation
I read a book by the FBI’s most successful hostage negotiator
Most importantly I enjoy the game, the challenge
Im not as good as you make me out to be. Thank you though.