A Woman Can't Flake On You; If You Do This...MODE ONE!!! Part 2

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@We_ArE_VeNOM I will be logging off soon and just want to say it's been interesting talking/debating with you about this.
You pulled some slick sh!t on me earlier to get me to respond.

It obviously worked.

My question now though is, what do you find so off-putting (or time-wasting, feeling like you're doing a dance or jumping through hoops, trying to impress) by engaging in a fun playful conversation with a girl for 5-10 minutes?
Because if I wind up NOT getting what I want, I will feel as if I wasted my MF'n time!!

And all of the laughy-laughy jokey-jokey stuff was for nothing.

It's not just for the girl, don't you enjoy it too?
No. Not initially.

The teasing, the bantering? Which is all part of seduction, is it not?
Seduction is too much work.

You make is sound like having a short conversation with a girl is a chore, a hassle, something you'd rather not be bothered with.
catz, do you know why I am this way?

Because I discovered that Mode One actually WORKS!!!

It is the path of least resistance.

I can get what I want by doing very little.

All of the chitty chatty stuff will be there in the next phase.

How are you married with this type of attitude?

I am not judging, I truly just don't get it.
Wives/girlfriends are in a different stratosphere.
 

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Are you saying my girl got beer goggles? I told her in three minutes when she got to the bar. She came separately from her sister and friends. Her roommates were gone which is why I was able to bring her back to her place. Maybe she took a shot or two on the way over? She was not drunk
No, I was just calling out the notion that approaching a woman who has a few drinks in her is somehow predatory. I clearly made a distinction between someone who is severely wasted and incoherent and someone who just has a few drinks in her. And 2 shots is enough to give someone "beer googles"(which just means reduced inhibition). And depending on the person, 2 shots can make someone a little drunk/tipsy/intoxicated". Someone is not sober and intoxicated if they've had ONE drink of alcohol.
 

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No, I was just calling out the notion that approaching a woman who has a few drinks in her is somehow predatory. I clearly made a distinction between someone who is severely wasted and incoherent and someone who just has a few drinks in her. And 2 shots is enough to give someone "beer googles"(which just means reduced inhibition). And depending on the person, 2 shots can make someone a little drunk/tipsy/intoxicated".
Especially at 21, don’t disagree with you
 

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Especially at 21, don’t disagree with you
The legal drinking age shouldn't even be 21, it should be 18. Old enough to die for you country or get charged as an adult for a crime? Then old enough to drink a legal adult beverage. They are supposed to be an adult. Do you think it's reasonable to expect most people not to have a legal adult beverage throughout the majority of their time in college? It's absurd and babying .

I'm actually very anti-alcohol and would advise no one to touch the poison no matter what there age, but I'll still call out this hypocrisy. Alcohol IS a legal substance. And 18 is a legal adult.

They will use the 21 drinking age to justify raising the age of sexual consent to 21. They've already tried that with guns. Then once it hits 21, it will go to 25. I've already seen people calling 21-24 year old's as "kids" all over the news and social media. I was watching the nhl and they are refering to a 24 year old MAN as a "kid". 50 percent of people 18-29 now live at home with their parents. Screwed up society of people who won't take accountability and refuse to grow up and I blame the older people who allowed this to happen. In the past, at 18 you moved out of the house and started working. That's the way it should be.
 

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18-29 now live at home with their parents. Screwed up society of people who won't take accountability and refuse to grow up and I blame the older people who allowed this to happen. In the past, at 18 you moved out of the house and started working. That's the way it should be.
The statistic surrounding living at home at ages 18-29 is problematic. Those living in college dorm rooms are considered to be living at home and that inflates the statistic surrounding living at home.

During ages 18-23, there's a bit of transitioning from living at home to living as an independent adult.

18 year olds who go to college are still fairly dependent on their parents for the next 4-6 years. During this time, they are often living in college dorm rooms or off campus apartments near college. They are likely to spend the summer months living at home. If they graduate college, they still might end up living at home after graduation. If they graduate college and manage to live somewhere besides home, the parents might still be sending them money until their mid to late 20s.

Let's also remember that a 22-32 year old unmarried and childless college graduate is often one layoff away from moving back in with their parents. Let's also acknowledge that this laid off 22-32 year old is more likely to be male since companies in white collar jobs tend to do everything they can to shield their female employees from layoffs.

18 year olds that don't go to college or trade school end up gettting up McJobs (low wage service sector jobs) or unskilled manual labor jobs. Neither of those pay enough in most cases to result in a young adult living away from home.
 

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The statistic surrounding living at home at ages 18-29 is problematic. Those living in college dorm rooms are considered to be living at home and that inflates the statistic surrounding living at home.

During ages 18-23, there's a bit of transitioning from living at home to living as an independent adult.

18 year olds who go to college are still fairly dependent on their parents for the next 4-6 years. During this time, they are often living in college dorm rooms or off campus apartments near college. They are likely to spend the summer months living at home. If they graduate college, they still might end up living at home after graduation. If they graduate college and manage to live somewhere besides home, the parents might still be sending them money until their mid to late 20s.

Let's also remember that a 22-32 year old unmarried and childless college graduate is often one layoff away from moving back in with their parents. Let's also acknowledge that this laid off 22-32 year old is more likely to be male since companies in white collar jobs tend to do everything they can to shield their female employees from layoffs.

18 year olds that don't go to college or trade school end up gettting up McJobs (low wage service sector jobs) or unskilled manual labor jobs. Neither of those pay enough in most cases to result in a young adult living away from home.
I agree with this.

Yep. It's basically signs of a terrible economy for the majority. We have an outrageous cost of housing and people don't want to give someone a living wage who doesn't have their indoctrination compliance paperwork( liberal arts college degree) I've always said a person shouldn't have to go to college to make a living. College should be reserved for technical/scientific training, not gender studies and sociology undergrad degrees. We have people getting masters degrees to become a social worker. That should require a GED and a 6 month certificate program that is paid by the employer.

As the number of people who go to college increases, the value of the degree decreases proportionally. That's why you have people graduating college and going to work at starbucks. We've basically extended high school for 4 years.

How is an 18 year old adult supposed to make a living? Or even a 22 year old who only has a hs diploma? Very few options. Maybe the trades and that's about it. 40 percent of jobs are service economy jobs like walmart/waiter. There is no getting around that. This will only get worse. The answer imo is to get rid of college as a requirement for basic jobs and put in cost controls for rental housing and have more apartment buildings built to ease the demand and limit immigration since we can't house the people we have already. Price will fall if you increase supply. Economics 101. Also, rental housing is eating up too much of people's income. The second employer's raise the wages, the landlords raise the rent. You have to get the housing situation under control. first with cost controls.

College is very expensive and time consuming and also creates CHEAP labor(students will work for cheap), therefore reducing the market wages being paid. Supply and demand again.


People are worse off economically than prior generations. That's unheard of in America. We also have record number of people who don't even finish at the BA level, but are going on to graduate studies in Liberal arts areas So many females do this nowadays. The debt for this is nuts and if you cancel all the debt then the government/taxes have to pay. Really crazy stuff.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox. Just my 2 cents.

P.S. All this extended adolescence has caused the average age a woman has a first child to be approaching 30. This is actually starting to get dangerous. The ability to get pregnant and complications all start rising. The main reason this is happening is due to extended educational requirements.
 
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No, I was just calling out the notion that approaching a woman who has a few drinks in her is somehow predatory. I clearly made a distinction between someone who is severely wasted and incoherent and someone who just has a few drinks in her. And 2 shots is enough to give someone "beer googles"(which just means reduced inhibition). And depending on the person, 2 shots can make someone a little drunk/tipsy/intoxicated". Someone is not sober and intoxicated if they've had ONE drink of alcohol.
I guess this was my take. Let me clarify it:

1 - Approaching women that happen to have a few drinks is not predatory. Waiting until women are drunk so you can make your move, because you're too scary to do it otherwise, is.
2 - I definitely don't agree with it, as everyone that has had a few drinks knows you are fully functioning and know fully well what you're doing. BUT there has been A LOT of cases of guys been criminally charged with rape by a woman (or by her female friends) who happen to had a few drinks the night before and for one reason or another regretted of having sex with said guys afterwards (like cheating her bf, for example).

(AFAIK there have been discussions of making staring equal sexual assault in some English speaking countries. Here where I live a guy was charged of rape for a woman dry-humping him while drunk. And there was footage of this proving she was the one who had the initiative. He was still charged for it.)

Women are doing more every day to be less and less responsible for their actions. And I'd like at least our guys here to avoid this sort of crap (that can be really really crappy). This is the climate we've been working in. As soon as a women drinks she becomes a frail and innocent thing, unable to answer for their actions. This is the sort of women we're dealing nowadays. We can't control this. But we can control ourselves and the situations we put ourselves in. Keep in mind OP is proposing you approach women in the middle of the street and ask them for sex.

Let's just not set ourselves up for failure.
 

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It's basically signs of a terrible economy for the majority. We have an outrageous cost of housing and people don't want to give someone a living wage who doesn't have their indoctrination compliance paperwork( liberal arts college degree) I've always said a person shouldn't have to go to college to make a living.
Yes, for the bottom 80% in the United States, economic conditions have been somewhere between subpar to mediocre for the last 20 years.

I agree that a person shouldn't have to go to college to make a living. People don't have to do that. There are trade school options. However, the USA gave away too many of its factory jobs. High school graduates used to be able to get jobs in factories. Now high school graduates are looking at low wage service sector jobs. Due to this, high school graduates must choose between a trade school certification or a bachelor's degree.

College should be reserved for technical/scientific training, not gender studies and sociology undergrad degrees. We have people getting masters degrees to become a social worker. That should require a GED and a 6 month certificate program that is paid by the employer.

As the number of people who go to college increases, the value of the degree decreases proportionally. That's why you have people graduating college and going to work at starbucks. We've basically extended high school for 4 years.

How is an 18 year old adult supposed to make a living? Or even a 22 year old who only has a hs diploma? Very few options. Maybe the trades and that's about it. 40 percent of jobs are service economy jobs like walmart/waiter. There is no getting around that. This will only get worse. The answer imo is to get rid of college as a requirement for basic jobs

College is very expensive and time consuming and also creates CHEAP labor(students will work for cheap), therefore reducing the market wages being paid. Supply and demand again.
I agree that a master's level degree for social work is a complete waste.

College graduates working as baristas at Starbucks became a common thing with the late 2000s recession. That's a sign that there are too many college graduates. Most bachelor's degrees are useless. The useful college degrees are STEM degrees and some Business discipline degrees, though there's a good argument that there are too many BA/BS degree holders in Business and Business-related disciplines.

If someone with a bachelor's degree is waiting tables, that's a bad sign.

Between ages 18-29, pretty women with a high school diploma/GED working at Hooters or Twin Peaks are often outearning women with bachelor's degrees who aren't as pretty.

Why is college a requirement for basic jobs? There's no reason for that to be the case. However, some high schools have a completely useless curriculum and are generally a waste of time. Many K-12 public schools are nothing more than government funded daycare. A lot of high school graduates are not even capable of working jobs in the modern economy. K-12 education was designed to prepare workers for basic factory jobs, the ones that got outsourced and offshored in the 1970s-1980s.

When there are recessions, employers do pick up people with bachelor's degrees and advanced degrees for less. I finished my MBA in the 2007-2008 school year, right as the economy was going the toilet. The only jobs I could get in 2008 were jobs that paid way less than what a typical MBA graduate would make. It took many years to recover from graduating into 2008 and is part of the reason why I don't have children today as a 39 year old. 2008 was a major setback in my life.

People are worse off economically than prior generations. That's unheard of in America. We also have record number of people who don't even finish at the BA level, but are going on to graduate studies in Liberal arts areas So many females do this nowadays. The debt for this is nuts and if you cancel all the debt then the government/taxes have to pay. Really crazy stuff.
Gen X was the first US born generation to experience this. I remember reading as far back at the mid-2000s (before the 2008 crash) that the first half of Gen X (late 1960s-early 1970s births) wasn't doing as well econonomically as their Silent Generation parents at similar ages. Much of the 1st half of the Millennial generation graduated into the mess surrounding 2008 and few years after, so they haven't doing as well as their Baby Boomer parents did at similar ages.

All this extended adolescence has caused the average age a woman has a first child to be approaching 30. This is actually starting to get dangerous. The ability to get pregnant and complications all start rising. The main reason this is happening is due to extended educational requirements.
The only reason that number isn't already over 30 is due to women with less than a bachelor's degree. Women with a bachelor's degree or higher typically don't give birth until after their 30th birthdays.

Right now, in my local area social circle, there's a flurry of pregnancies among 32-35 year old women having their "Last Call" babies and some of these pregnancies were the direct result of expensive fertility treatments. Some of these 32-35 might be able to squeeze in a 2nd, late 30s pregnancy, but that's even debatable.

I don't think extended educational requirements are as big of a cause of women drinking the feminist Kool-Aid and pursuing bachelor's and advanced degrees for their dreams of white collar office work. Feminism tells women that they can have all it all -- the fantastic white collar job, the husband who earns more than they do, and the 1-2 babies they want. Usually, women can't have it all and have to sacrifice some element of that feminist dream. When women encounter this, they are very unhappy. This is why there are 30 something women screaming "Where Have All the Good Men Gone?".
 

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I forget who said they were dropping their name and number on paper and getting some calls on it but this one’s for you. Time will tell.

Second day of office Christmas parties. Tall black raven hair bartender, got this incredibly hot bitchy attitude in this otherwise really nice place and I’m just like, unable to stop thinking about how I’m gonna curl off and go chat with her.

So anyway luckily this particular office is old and most of them are out in 2 hours. The one married guy from operations who’s left was with me the night before and he was a perfect wingman. Knew we shut the last place down (from word of mouth, from the two smokes in that office and the incredulous college grad ) so it’s perfect for him to play wingman. I get him to pull up to bar with me and he can’t help but keep taking about the prior night within earshot of my bartender.

we throw on the st. John’s game and he chats her up. He leaves and hang for a little longer solo. Im literally just drinking water. So I’ve got this girl laughing and coming over etc, she goes do you live in town, i tell her a town a couple minutes away but, slow down give me a couple minutes first. She smile. I then say, look as soon as an actual paying customer wants these chairs I’ll get up, she’s like no stay it’s all good, I tell her look I wouldn’t appreciate it either, she goes there’s something about you, you’re different (I agree) .. anyway long story short I’m not over chatting her but she’s giving me goodservice for the fact that I’m literally just sitting there with little waters and making that bad put up with my flipping between St. John’s and Michigan. A couple finally does want to sit there. I see them and get up. Give her man a big friendly slap on the arm. I walk downstairs and I grab a pen and a paper from the waitress and I give this bartender a $5 with a little note inside with my number like a fortune cookie.
 

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I forget who said they were dropping their name and number on paper and getting some calls on it but this one’s for you. Time will tell.

Second day of office Christmas parties. Tall black raven hair bartender, got this incredibly hot bitchy attitude in this otherwise really nice place and I’m just like, unable to stop thinking about how I’m gonna curl off and go chat with her.

So anyway luckily this particular office is old and most of them are out in 2 hours. The one married guy from operations who’s left was with me the night before and he was a perfect wingman. Knew we shut the last place down (from word of mouth, from the two smokes in that office and the incredulous college grad ) so it’s perfect for him to play wingman. I get him to pull up to bar with me and he can’t help but keep taking about the prior night within earshot of my bartender.

we throw on the st. John’s game and he chats her up. He leaves and hang for a little longer solo. Im literally just drinking water. So I’ve got this girl laughing and coming over etc, she goes do you live in town, i tell her a town a couple minutes away but, slow down give me a couple minutes first. She smile. I then say, look as soon as an actual paying customer wants these chairs I’ll get up, she’s like no stay it’s all good, I tell her look I wouldn’t appreciate it either, she goes there’s something about you, you’re different (I agree) .. anyway long story short I’m not over chatting her but she’s giving me goodservice for the fact that I’m literally just sitting there with little waters and making that bad put up with my flipping between St. John’s and Michigan. A couple finally does want to sit there. I see them and get up. Give her man a big friendly slap on the arm. I walk downstairs and I grab a pen and a paper from the waitress and I give this bartender a $5 with a little note inside with my number like a fortune cookie.
Nothing on this fyi.
 

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some women refuse to chase guys no matter attracted they are.

If me, I'd be hoping you'd pop back into the bar.

Give me a hard time for not calling, in a playful c0cky way. :lol:
Lol are you one of these women Cats?
 

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You bet I was and not ashamed to admit either.

Call me entitled if you want, I own it. Many men have admitted to that same entitlement.

When single I had abundance and didn't need to chase.

Initially anyway.

Once we started dating, I did my fair share of initiating. More than my fair share at times.
I'll call you extractive

At least initially, anyway

Meow

Do you like to see how hard a potential dating prospect is willing to work for you?
 

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Doesn't mean anything, some women refuse to chase guys no matter attracted they are.

If me, I'd be hoping you'd pop back into the bar.

Give me a hard time for not calling, in a playful c0cky way. :lol:
If I go back and I see her I’m gonna ask her for a different bartender lol
 

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Doesn't mean anything, some women refuse to chase guys no matter attracted they are.

If me, I'd be hoping you'd pop back into the bar.

Give me a hard time for not calling, in a playful c0cky way. :lol:
I ignored her for 6 hours and pulled 5 women in front of her. Two of them were friends and I am debating on now which I want to call. Ones LTR material I think and one is a great night I have no doubt. I took neither number on purpose. I held good conversation and I found both on LinkedIn and then google in minutes. I love a good cold call. They left and I wasn’t going to reward that nor did I lock myself into my probably ONS I was messing around with. I kind of want to call the LTR one, I was super kino hands in the hair with her fiend but love that she pulled them out of there at 12:45 against all of my efforts, she bought and sold property recently, going to nursing school thought it was funny I had put my cpr on my LinkedIn this summer to break my ex wife’s balls, listened to me curse endlessly seems like a yoga health girl and I found her health website and she’s on there both quoting the Buddha and smiling with a plate of cookies which speaks to me lol. I am very torn.
 
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Yoga/Buddha girl sounds like me! Lol

On the off chance you want my opinion, go with her! ;)
She’s a tough one to reach. Took no effort getting her LinkedIn but I just cold called the switchboard and she’s no longer there, which checks out with the convo from the weekend. Her health website I called the number yesterday, someone else must have taken ther number over. I left an email inquiry on the website, if not I may call her dad lol.
 

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So i put all of my powers and energy and resources of a major sales department into this and I had no luck. I did a search online and I got a number but it ended up being the sister. I told the sister how impressed I was with Megan and how she had a lot on her plate babysitting the passed out gay guy but I had the sister laughing and I said maybe it’s better we spoke you can put in a good word for me. But I had called from my office and realizing I had zero shot of a call back I texted the sister an hour later the following; Hey Kristen it’s d w 3. I was calling you from my office a little while ago, telling you impressive and pretty I thought your sister was. She seems like a texter (mouth covered emoji) so this is my cell. Throw in a good word for me Night!

probably not going to happen once she googles my name, sees my ex wife and the property we own together and / or even the kids lol ….vs incredibly good looking and partner at the worlds largest bank. Hypergamy you there? but hey. Worth a shot.
 
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She’s a tough one to reach. Took no effort getting her LinkedIn but I just cold called the switchboard and she’s no longer there, which checks out with the convo from the weekend. Her health website I called the number yesterday, someone else must have taken ther number over. I left an email inquiry on the website, if not I may call her dad lol.
Women who are into Buddhism/alternative health/new age/yoga/meditation stuff are typically pains in the @ss. They've got all of these advanced relaxation and coping strategies, what the h@ll do they need d1ck for? Or they're deeply damaged and turned to this realm out of necessity.

The cookies are a symbol of asexuality. LIttle kids like cookies, and little kids obviously don't have sex. Does this women have hair bangs by any chance?
 

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Women who are into Buddhism/alternative health/new age/yoga/meditation stuff are typically pains in the @ss. They've got all of these advanced relaxation and coping strategies, what the h@ll do they need d1ck for? Or they're deeply damaged and turned to this realm out of necessity.

The cookies are a symbol of asexuality. LIttle kids like cookies, and little kids obviously don't have sex. Does this women have hair bangs by any chance?
No bangs. She is absolutely stunning.
 
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