A Question for the Older Players Here

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I don't like watching infields on YouTube because it is difficult to figure out what is real and what is fake.

I don't know many guys who walk around my city and do street openers. The most prolific seducer I knew never did daygame. He was solely a night approacher at the bars. The majority of his interactions that resulted in sex were one night stands.



It takes more and more to achieve that now. Just acting normal often results a beta male.



You're correct that women never respected men on Match and POF 10 years ago. Tinder and the other swipe apps is just Match/POF circa 2010 on steroids.

I've never done the running up in the street thing I've seen Tom Torero and James Tusk do. When I've done street approaches, they've looked more natural. Natural street approaching is a really tough thing to do. I don't recommend it but it is better than swiping.



The 4 things you say that men are difficult to get. A decent job now isn't good enough. The STEM occupation guys have decent jobs. There are so many engineers who are incel or low level betas who rarely get laid. I would say that there is a social skills deficiency. Style isn't easy.

+1

A lot of incel and black pill are stem hyper rational. Lots of autism spectrum and no diss as vitalik and zuck are both examples. Problem is that these guys are marks for sociopath females.

With infield outside being in person it's practically impossible to know. Tom torero faked infield as did Justin Wayne. I've seen bad ass infield live. Still best mpua is nowhere near as smooth as a natural. Take YBD or zyzz vs a pua. Problem is nattys can't teach nor articulate wtf they do.

You nailed it with how much game has changed. Can't imagine if you or I played house and tried getting back in 2022. It will keep Changing.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Hmm. Maybe they should take your alpha male advice and start mouthing off to Uber drivers, waitstaff, etc. to be more alpha. Girls find that really impressive.


Then please, keep posting.

+1
That goof needs to get his t checked.

I love when guys who never seen vagina got a theory. Added the cuck to my ignore list.

 

[SW15]

Big on London day game model. Clubs are killed in the pandemic. Poor use of time. West is a wasteland and men should vacate from the west. You are in one if the last few spots that still has freedom in the west. You are doing it right playboy.

With my day time approaches, I've never done the Tom Torero/James Tusk thing where you run up in front of the woman and do the stop. She's forced to talk to you because you are blocking her path. How effective is that?

Clubs are killed in the pandemic. Poor use of time.

Even in the 2000s, I never liked bars or clubs. I would rather drink at my apartment than anywhere else.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

I mean you guys are here talking about how hard it is and I currently have a 4 girl rotation.
you’re talking about incel and black pill etc WTF does that have to do with seduction or even women? Have you ever met a cool incel/blackpill person?
you’re talking about stem guys having poor social skills etc what does this have to do with seduction?
If you want to be good with women you need to be cool/suave etc this has ALWAYS been the case. What planet are you on that you think women want to **** guys just because you have a penis? You realise Nicholas Tesla was an incel; so was Schopenhauer? Nietzsche was brutally rejected by the love of his life etc
Seduction is for men with above average social skills, so don’t use men with poor social skills or clear social difficulties as an ‘example’ of things getting harder. Those guys are not even in the game. You are looking at the losers in society and who are unpopular with BOTH men and women.

stem guys don’t fail because a stem job isn’t enough. A stem job is more than enough IF you have social skills. I know guys working in foot locker that slay with women. I know a computer engineer that easily has 1000-2000 hinge matches.
If you’re struggling it has nothing to do with women. They have always gone for the same type of men. It’s you. Some of you are just getting older and washed up.

 

[Willie Naylor]

I’m honestly done with this forum.

You promise?

 

[Willie Naylor]

If you’re struggling it has nothing to do with women. They have always gone for the same type of men. It’s you. Some of you are just getting older and washed up.

Many on this forum refuse to accept the fact that they may be to blame for their lack of success with women.

On SoSuave, it's always the girl's fault.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

‘Just acting normal often results a beta male.’
Umm na…most couples you see in the street, the guy is acting normal.

A beta male is a man with poor boundaries, no options and no sexual charisma/swag.

Acting normal does not imply either alpha or beta. Less is more.

I’ve never met an in-shape, well dressed man, with a good job and good social skills that struggles with women. Being NORMAL is a good thing. The reason bezos, elon musk etc struggle with women is purely because those men lack boundaries and have below average social skills, as my earlier post stated. There’s interviews on YouTube where Musks wife is openly mocking him and he is just oblivious. This is not NORMAL. This is BELOW average.

you can read a book from a Pimp in the 60s and see the same amount of techniques and mindgames were required to pimp in 1960 as 2021. I obviously do not condone pimping, I am just using it to dispel this funny myth that things have ‘changed’ and are harder now.

an absolute necessity to being a good seducer is that you need to be way above average in social skills. This is not compromisable. Women the more social sex.

If you look at a class, workplace, nightclub or any competitive dating cohort, you need to be in the top 15% men when it comes to social skills to be in the game. This includes to 15% fashion and self esteem/confidence.

These men also tend to notice each other and become friends instantly. They form the ‘popular/jock circle’. They don’t meet on the internet.

 

[Willie Naylor]

‘Just acting normal often results a beta male.’
Umm na…most couples you see in the street, the guy is acting normal.

A beta male is a man with poor boundaries, no options and no sexual charisma/swag.

Acting normal does not imply either alpha or beta. Less is more.

I’ve never met an in-shape, well dressed man, with a good job and good social skills that struggles with women. Being NORMAL is a good thing. The reason bezos, elon musk etc struggle with women is purely because those men lack boundaries and have below average social skills, as my earlier post stated. There’s interviews on YouTube where Musks wife is openly mocking him and he is just oblivious. This is not NORMAL. This is BELOW average.

you can read a book from a Pimp in the 60s and see the same amount of techniques and mindgames were required to pimp in 1960 as 2021. I obviously do not condone pimping, I am just using it to dispel this funny myth that things have ‘changed’ and are harder now.

an absolute necessity to being a good seducer is that you need to be way above average in social skills. This is not compromisable. Women the more social sex.

If you look at a class, workplace, nightclub or any competitive dating cohort, you need to be in the top 15% men when it comes to social skills to be in the game. This includes to 15% fashion and self esteem/confidence.

These men also tend to notice each other and become friends instantly. They form the ‘popular/jock circle’. They don’t meet on the internet.

Dude, you just randomly start ranting and never stop.

It's like your mouth is falling down the stairs.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Dude, you just randomly start ranting and never stop.

It's like your mouth is falling down the stairs.

it’s always the same 3-4 people on here that constantly react negatively to my posts and get emotional.

 

[Plinco]

you can read a book from a Pimp in the 60s and see the same amount of techniques and mindgames were required to pimp in 1960 as 2021. I obviously do not condone pimping, I am just using it to dispel this funny myth that things have ‘changed’ and are harder now.

Pimping and seduction are two different skills

How old are you? 28?

 

[Willie Naylor]

it’s always the same 3-4 people on here that constantly react negatively to my posts and get emotional.

Dude, you're trying to be the coolest person on an anonymous internet forum. That's like, to steal from Waiting, being the smartest person with downs syndrome.

Stop tryna flex on everybody.

Nobody needs or wants you to be Dr Phil, and rant and rave to us about female nature, and male/female dynamics.

Try to develop a personality, so you're able to thoughtfully engage with other posters and have conversations with them, where you're not waving your finger in their faces and giving them a lecture about something.

 

[characternote]

pimping is basically getting your girlfriend to whor herself out. That's what basically all the stories were about in iceberg slims stuff. Using an EXISTING bond and attraction to get her to do stuff. That's easy tbh lol.
Nothing to do with banging some smoking hot girl who isn't attracted to you using 'game' or whatever

 

[metalwater]

They have always gone for the same type of men.

this is true.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

With my day time approaches, I've never done the Tom Torero/James Tusk thing where you run up in front of the woman and do the stop. She's forced to talk to you because you are blocking her path. How effective is that?

It's beta to run up on girls. More my style is just rolling up. Get past her and hard stop. Spit game. It's seriously a lot of work. Very timely. Casual, aloof, indifferent. In any event you output absurd amounts of energy and time. Torero is on ban camp last I heard.

Even in the 2000s, I never liked bars or clubs. I would rather drink at my apartment than anywhere else.

Bar and club was my stomping ground. As I got older it was less a focus and more a special occasion.

 

[Willie Naylor]

Bar and club was my stomping ground. As I got older it was less a focus and more a special occasion.

Me too. The club I regularly went to in college, I had an idea to rent it out one night for a big bash I wanted to throw.

The owner and his wife were friendly with me, so I asked what they'd charge me to rent the club for the night...

$40,000

Spoiler alert - I found a different venue for my party

 

[SW15]

Bar and club was my stomping ground. As I got older it was less a focus and more a special occasion.

I was a bar/night game guy up until my late 20s, which is when I transitioned more to non-bar venues for approaching. One of my bigger game regrets in life was not taking day game seriously until my late 20s. I think I would have experienced less trauma had I been more of a day game guy from 18-28. Also, I didn't take advantage of doing random approaches while walking campus grounds as a student. While I'm not foolish enough to believe that I'd still be in the same relationship with some 19 year old I approached on campus when I was 20, I think it would have made college dating efforts better and less difficult. I can say that it is possible that I wouldn't have graduated college and moved to my first post college city as a bachelor.

College students have some great dating opportunities that post college guys in their 20s/30s wish they had. It's much better to try and date through college extracurriculars, classes, random apporaching on campus than at off campus parties or off campus bars.

College relationships have a way of failing post graduation though. If I'm a senior in college and I'm dating a junior, I don't know if I'm sticking around the same city as the college to wait for my girlfriend to graduate. If we're both seniors, what happens when we get job offers in different cities? We break up. Graduation has a way of producing breakups for practical guys like many of us here.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Me too. The club I regularly went to in college, I had an idea to rent it out one night for a big bash I wanted to throw.

The owner and his wife were friendly with me, so I asked what they'd charge me to rent the club for the night...

$40,000

Spoiler alert - I found a different venue for my party

The club district changed and tanked throughout my teens and twenties. The Hotspot changes. Similarly, the culture, politics, demographic and even game changes. Put into perspective approaching in 2000s vs kids on college campuses accused of being rapey asking out a girl for a coffee date? Several puas jailed in the UK. Notorious ones really over from YouTube. The unfortunate reality is that the caliber 9f woman is modern ran through and overweight. Geo maxing not only from a tax perspective or female quality but the pursuit of individual sovereignty being key.

 

[Willie Naylor]

The club district changed and tanked throughout my teens and twenties. The Hotspot changes. Similarly, the culture, politics, demographic and even game changes. Put into perspective approaching in 2000s vs kids on college campuses accused of being rapey asking out a girl for a coffee date? Several puas jailed in the UK. Notorious ones really over from YouTube. The unfortunate reality is that the caliber 9f woman is modern ran through and overweight. Geo maxing not only from a tax perspective or female quality but the pursuit of individual sovereignty being key.

Communication is also something nobody knows how to do anymore.

I just attempted to have a conversation with you, and you regurgitate a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with what I said.

These days, people talk AT each other, instead of WITH each other.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I was a bar/night game guy up until my late 20s, which is when I transitioned more to non-bar venues for approaching. One of my bigger game regrets in life was not taking day game seriously until my late 20s. I think I would have experienced less trauma had I been more of a day game guy from 18-28. Also, I didn't take advantage of doing random approaches while walking campus grounds as a student. While I'm not foolish enough to believe that I'd still be in the same relationship with some 19 year old I approached on campus when I was 20, I think it would have made college dating efforts better and less difficult. I can say that it is possible that I wouldn't have graduated college and moved to my first post college city as a bachelor.

It's a strange flip of the script. Some cultures is not common to break rapport which is the game. Intro to game was bags and clubs. Tbh it wasn't until I got into transcendental meditation that I became aware of adrenaline dump and adrenal fatigue from ENTERING BARS AND CLUBS. I was literally jacked up to go and I owned it. I also refrained from drinking and drugs pretty early on in life. Day game is unusual cause most need to be inebriated to approach. I found approaching a stranger random girl as if I already smashed. There's a sense of familiarity from go yet indifference. The caliber is usually better than the club thot. Also, is she in stretchy pants or dolled up? Modern women are slobs.

It might have been better that you got it later in life. Most are playing house. It occupies time and it's are useful skill.

College students have some great dating opportunities that post college guys in their 20s/30s wish they had. It's much better to try and date through college extracurriculars, classes, random apporaching on campus than at off campus parties or off campus bars.

College relationships have a way of failing post graduation though. If I'm a senior in college and I'm dating a junior, I don't know if I'm sticking around the same city as the college to wait for my girlfriend to graduate. If we're both seniors, what happens when we get job offers in different cities? We break up. Graduation has a way of producing breakups for practical guys like many of us here.

Which is typical given male proclivity dating younger. I'm not trying to be a **** but girls my age always were repulsive. As I got older i am disgusted by girls my age. Single mom's fat as **** and decades of skiing down cawk mountain. Modern women are very masculine and sloppy.

 

[SW15]

Day game is unusual cause most need to be inebriated to approach.

It takes more skill to approach women in a non-bar venue while sober. It's possible to knock down 1-3 drinks before doing a non-bar approaching session, but most non-bar approachers don't do that. Non-bar approachers generally have stronger game.

Because most men don't have the guts to do non-bar approaching, it is somewhat of the constant over time in terms of ways of meeting women. The biggest change to non-bar approaching has been earbuds. More women wear earbuds at the gym and a few other non-bar venues in order to discourage approaching.

The caliber is usually better than the club thot. Also, is she in stretchy pants or dolled up? Modern women are slobs.

In a typical, pre-pandemic bar setting, there'd be a greater concentration of physically appealing women open to being approached in one place as compared to non-bar settings. That's one of the big cases for doing night game at the bars.

Yes, you are more likely to meet a higher caliber woman in a non-bar setting. Bars/clubs are better for one night stands/casual sex and other venues are better for finding extended relationships, regardless of whether or not you're a guy planning to eventually play house with a woman.