68% ( was 63 untill recently) of men dont date..

[Gamisch]

$40 for sex?? yikes, I know in my town if you wanna bang quality chicks it's gonna cost ya $500 minium you can go on reddit and smash for $100 but those chicks are sketchy and scammers. Personally I use to try to use reddit as dating but than the hookers would do the "by the way I charge okie doke" never done don't care too

The thing is at least with option B you don'thave to take them to dinner, or out all the time. This is where you save money

Well, your "yuk" reaction is the same as my reaction UNTIL the homies took me there...the bar is set at hb7( and up ofcourse).

The same woman charging 200 bucks will now charge 40..its a marketing strategy similar to Alibaba. Sell for cheap, get more volume. So don't ever believe that a prostitute fecking 2 man a day is "better" than one who does 10 men a per day, because IF the former had the opportunity she would also sleep with ten men. It's just when reality comes knocking on their doors they'll learn that their p00sy is NOT "that" valuable AT ALL. And that she can make more under the wing of a place where many women gather and charge less( and thus attract many ,many men to come take a looksie)

In HER pov, she might advertise 200 bucks and get one client every 3 days, versus joining such a club where she sleeps with 10 men a day but makes 3 times as much money at "the end of the month ". Those are the economics behind this!

Imo once a woman tells herself she'll do prostitution, she wants to make BANK as soon as possible. Similar to a man who is able to work over time, 60.hours per week ect. I rather make 100 per day 30 days a month than a 1000 once per month ,if that makes sense.

Anyway, pride and honor is also a factor. I get the same "yuk" feeling when I hear a woman has a high bodycount. Its nasty.

Somehow its more acceptable for a EXTREMELY high value man to use an escort than Average Joe. " yeah HE is really busy, Joe ain't doing shyte".

 

[DreamAgain]

The world is not the same as it was 50 minutes ago, to say nothing of 50 years ago. We all a choice to either adapt or be left with table scraps

Quite the darwinistic world view, well be careful when you yourself aren't on top of the food chain any longer (if you even are but I doubt the quality you're pulling to be honest), let's see if you're singing a different tune.

Let's just imagine any society with your vision. No more children, the economy will collapse. No more incentive for the average man to be a plow horse, and tell me how good societies are with angry young men with nothing to lose.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Quite the darwinistic world view, well be careful when you yourself aren't on top of the food chain any longer (if you even are but I doubt the quality you're pulling to be honest), let's see if you're singing a different tune

Like most men, I'm not a 1%er, and probably never will be, nonetheless I'm committed to getting as far ahead in life as I can. If it's "Darwinistic" to now encourage men to be the best version of themselves, so be it. As recently as '14, it wasn't controversial to say: "Fellas, no one is coming to save you, so make look after yourselves". Why that fell out of fashion is incomprehensible to me

Let's just imagine any society with your vision. No more children, the economy will collapse. No more incentive for the average man to be a plow horse, and tell me how good societies are with angry young men with nothing to lose.

Hey, I'm all for making practical reforms like abolishing most forms of state aid in favor of placing folks into work + making vocational training more readily accessible than it currently is, so that more can move up the ladder. From there, folks are going to have to be receptive to the opportunities provided to them I.E. Evolve or be left with table scraps

Insofar as angry young men go... It behooves them to read the following https://cares.beckinstitute.org/blo...JTNEJTNE*_gcl_au*MTcwODc3MDE2Mi4xNzIyMzYzNzc1 , and go to work on themselves, BEFORE they start taking the piss out of society for not being different

 

[DreamAgain]

Like most men, I'm not a 1%er, and probably never will be, nonetheless I'm committed to getting as far ahead in life as I can. If it's "Darwinistic" to now encourage men to be the best version of themselves, so be it. As recently as '14, it wasn't controversial to say: "Fellas, no one is coming to save you, so make look after yourselves". Why that fell out of fashion is incomprehensible to me




Hey, I'm all for making practical reforms like abolishing most forms of state aid in favor of placing folks into work + making vocational training more readily accessible than it currently is, so that more can move up the ladder. From there, folks are going to have to be receptive to the opportunities provided to them I.E. Evolve or be left with table scraps

Insofar as angry young men go... It behooves them to read the following https://cares.beckinstitute.org/blo...JTNEJTNE*_gcl_au*MTcwODc3MDE2Mi4xNzIyMzYzNzc1 , and go to work on themselves, BEFORE they start taking the piss out of society for not being different

It's not out of favour now...no one is coming to save most men and no one ever has. Most are just work horses to be used for gdp production and consumption. Except for the top 1% who are protected, funny how socialism for the rich is fair whereas ruthless capitalism is left for the plebians (I say this as a fairly wealthy person myself).

 

[BaronOfHair]

Most are just work horses to be used for gdp production and consumption

The Manosphere version of the Feminist assertion that society views women as little more than ornaments on the arms of men and sex objects. True Believers in such things won't be convinced otherwise

 

[zekko]

Great point. Gotta enjoy women, and for most men the experiences with women are solely negative. Like going to boxing gym and getting your azz beat. If it ain't fun you won't do it...

I've definitely had negative experiences with women, but I mostly blame myself for them. In some cases, it was foolish of me to emotionally invest in them without good cause.

A lot of guys are only interested in woman for the sex, and that attitude is even promoted her as masculine. But I enjoy women as people also. As I've said before, I like the yin/yang of the interaction. And they have a wonderful soft nurturing side if they let it come out.

 

[Chow Mein]

I've definitely had negative experiences with women, but I mostly blame myself for them. In some cases, it was foolish of me to emotionally invest in them without good cause.

A lot of guys are only interested in woman for the sex, and that attitude is even promoted her as masculine. But I enjoy women as people also. As I've said before, I like the yin/yang of the interaction. And they have a wonderful soft nurturing side if they let it come out.

We’ve all been blinded, even when we understand the game for years! I wouldn’t want to fix my mistakes because the experiences were so much more (brutally) valuable.

 

[Scaramouche]

Well, your "yuk" reaction is the same as my reaction UNTIL the homies took me there...the bar is set at hb7( and up ofcourse).

The same woman charging 200 bucks will now charge 40..its a marketing strategy similar to Alibaba. Sell for cheap, get more volume. So don't ever believe that a prostitute fecking 2 man a day is "better" than one who does 10 men a per day, because IF the former had the opportunity she would also sleep with ten men. It's just when reality comes knocking on their doors they'll learn that their p00sy is NOT "that" valuable AT ALL. And that she can make more under the wing of a place where many women gather and charge less( and thus attract many ,many men to come take a looksie)

In HER pov, she might advertise 200 bucks and get one client every 3 days, versus joining such a club where she sleeps with 10 men a day but makes 3 times as much money at "the end of the month ". Those are the economics behind this!

Imo once a woman tells herself she'll do prostitution, she wants to make BANK as soon as possible. Similar to a man who is able to work over time, 60.hours per week ect. I rather make 100 per day 30 days a month than a 1000 once per month ,if that makes sense.

Anyway, pride and honor is also a factor. I get the same "yuk" feeling when I hear a woman has a high bodycount. Its nasty.

Somehow its more acceptable for a EXTREMELY high value man to use an escort than Average Joe. " yeah HE is really busy, Joe ain't doing shyte".

Hi Gamish,
I think you make an interesting observation on Hookers,about half an hours drive from my place is a coastal town 200K+ and I noticed that in the "Adult" ads that the local knocking shop is offering tricks for $50 Aus,on condition that you only go for half an hour...Perhaps in both our Countries a reflection of the severe downturn in our economies?

 

[Gamisch]

Hi Gamish,
I think you make an interesting observation on Hookers,about half an hours drive from my place is a coastal town 200K+ and I noticed that in the "Adult" ads that the local knocking shop is offering tricks for $50 Aus,on condition that you only go for half an hour...Perhaps in both our Countries a reflection of the severe downturn in our economies?

I gave this ofcourse a lotta thought as I was baffled by the price in combination with actual good looking, young women.

I guess we severly underestimate the economics behind this. I heard that Lidl and Adli are also killing it in the states now. It takes one "shop" ( aka hooker) to lower the bar.

These places are filled with women, 3 stores high with approx 30 rooms per level...

And by the way, 30 minutes is all you'll need. The trick to trick a trick...is to make him pay for an hour and finish him in 15 minutes. Like a hungry man ordering too much food.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Quite the darwinistic world view, well be careful when you yourself aren't on top of the food chain any longer (if you even are but I doubt the quality you're pulling to be honest), let's see if you're singing a different tune

To be clear, I'm not claiming that personal evolution is easy. What dude says here

5:53-6:11 is just as applicable for our purposes here. We all regularly have to investigate our own thoughts and beliefs, ask ourselves

-"Is my conceptualization of (insert person, place, or thing) 100% true, 50% true, or less than 5% true?

-"Might reality be slightly more messy and complex than the story I've been telling myself dictates?

-"Hell, what are my goals, and is the cost of pursuing them worth the probable ROI?

-"If not, and there more viable goals worth pursuing, and if so, what tactics and strategies increase my prospects of achieving said goals?"

 

[Borknagar]

I think for some of us who are single and have already done a lot of smashing but find most women undatable and completely incompatible with a LTR, but then ends up in one can offer a different perspective.

I was deep into picking up women from 2010-2012. I'd already been with 20 and in those about 2 1/2 years I brought it up to about 72-73, got into an ltr, then marriage, then divorced 2 years ago and have been with 6 since then.

I've took home the "hired gun" as they call them. I've got former and future strippers, etc etc.

Aside from a 3 way there's really nothing realistic for the average dude I haven't pulled off.

Myself, after going through all that, seeing how the dating world has changed since 2012, and so on I'm not as particularly pumped about going out and meeting women and at some point finding a partner as much as I once was. Online dating is significantly worse and entirely useless whereas before i was smashing pof women often.

The nightlife is total crap today. What used to be a packed Friday night is now what you'd expect on a Tuesday at Perkins.

Without a social circle, what options are left?

So with all that I'm personally not willing to put that much effort into it. Outside of an occasional lay I don't really see any benefit enough to disturb my peace. Even women in their 40s, they never change really. Same **** I've dealt with as chasing after 20s years ago.

 

[nismo-4]

Women generally don't care when men pursue the MGTOW path. The MGTOW men were generally invisible to them anyway. Most women are too busy chasing the top tier men to notice mid tier or lower men dropping out of the market.

If 90% of Chad, Tyrone, Justin, Charles, Enrique, Chang, Vishnu, Richard, David, Vlad, Fabio, Aziz, and Hiroshi type men dropped out of the dating market, women would go crazy! Or they'd just go for the remaining 10% of them. To women if you're not S-tier, you're F-tier. Even women past 50 and 70 think like this.

 

[corrector]

If 90% of Chad, Tyrone, Justin, Charles, Enrique, Chang, Vishnu, Richard, David, Vlad, Fabio, Aziz, and Hiroshi type men dropped out of the dating market, women would go crazy! Or they'd just go for the remaining 10% of them. To women if you're not S-tier, you're F-tier. Even women past 50 and 70 think like this.

There are too many couples out there for the math to make sense. The guys are not chad tier but look like young healthy guys paired up with nice ladies. Its rare to see anyone by themselves on the trails.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

well for the past couple of years now, i think there is a male loneliness crisis going on

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I don't really believe the number is that high, but if men deliberately and voluntarily decide not to date and procreate, I can only express my gratitude over their exit from the gene pool.

The herd needs culling anyway.

 

[MatureDJ]

Well, your "yuk" reaction is the same as my reaction UNTIL the homies took me there...the bar is set at hb7( and up ofcourse).

The same woman charging 200 bucks will now charge 40..its a marketing strategy similar to Alibaba. Sell for cheap, get more volume. So don't ever believe that a prostitute fecking 2 man a day is "better" than one who does 10 men a per day, because IF the former had the opportunity she would also sleep with ten men. It's just when reality comes knocking on their doors they'll learn that their p00sy is NOT "that" valuable AT ALL. And that she can make more under the wing of a place where many women gather and charge less( and thus attract many ,many men to come take a looksie)

In HER pov, she might advertise 200 bucks and get one client every 3 days, versus joining such a club where she sleeps with 10 men a day but makes 3 times as much money at "the end of the month ". Those are the economics behind this!

Imo once a woman tells herself she'll do prostitution, she wants to make BANK as soon as possible. Similar to a man who is able to work over time, 60.hours per week ect. I rather make 100 per day 30 days a month than a 1000 once per month ,if that makes sense.

Anyway, pride and honor is also a factor. I get the same "yuk" feeling when I hear a woman has a high bodycount. Its nasty.

Somehow its more acceptable for a EXTREMELY high value man to use an escort than Average Joe. " yeah HE is really busy, Joe ain't doing shyte".

I knew a guy that would wait in line (the only white guy in line) outside a building in the projects for a gal giving out $10 blow-j0bs.

 

[MatureDJ]

If 90% of Chad, Tyrone, Justin, Charles, Enrique, Chang, Vishnu, Richard, David, Vlad, Fabio, Aziz, and Hiroshi type men dropped out of the dating market, women would go crazy! Or they'd just go for the remaining 10% of them. To women if you're not S-tier, you're F-tier. Even women past 50 and 70 think like this.

BTW, here is the concordance list for all the ethnic variations of Chad:

• Black - Tyrone
• Latino - Chadriguez/Rico/Carlos
• Asian - Chang Thunderwang
• Indian - Chadpreet
• Pakistani - Basheer
• Native American - Chief
• French - Gaston
• Italian - Tony/Tommy[16]
• Portuguese - Afonso
• Brazilian - Ricardão/Chadinei
• English - Jason
• Kenyan - Wafula Omutombi
• Russian - Ivan Erohin ( Иван Ерохин)
• Arabic - Chaddam, Abdul
• German - Justus
• Spanish - Machote, musculitos, empotrador, Don Juan
• Persian - Khosrow (خسرو), Kourosh (کوروش), Jamshid (جمشید)
• Greek - Adonis
• Hungarian - Csanád
• Turkish - Kıvanç, Berkecan
• Serbian - Čedomir
• Armenian - Armen
• Dog - Buster
• Dutch - Tsjeerd Donderlul
• Czech - Jan (or Honza, first one is preferred)
• Nigerian - Adebayo
• Jewish - Chiam

 

[corrector]

I knew a guy that would wait in line (the only white guy in line) outside a building in the projects for a gal giving out $10 blow-j0bs.

At least she was not racist. Sounds like as long as anyone had $ 10 then skin color does not matter. That means your friend's $ 10 was just as good as everyone else's $ 10.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I don't really believe the number is that high, but if men deliberately and voluntarily decide not to date and procreate, I can only express my gratitude over their exit from the gene pool.

The herd needs culling anyway.

That portion of the heterosexual male population who lament their loneliness, yet insist on spending more time glued to The X Box and binge watching Gundum Wing than they do out in the fresh air are similar to that portion of the homosexual population who persist in bare backing, this many decades after The AIDs epidemic kicked off

At a certain point, it's prudent to recognize that certain segments of humanity aren't interested in helping themselves in the most basic ways(Be that going out into the world and being sociable, or practicing healthy sex), then send these folks on their way

 

[Solomon]

I think for some of us who are single and have already done a lot of smashing but find most women undatable and completely incompatible with a LTR, but then ends up in one can offer a different perspective.

I was deep into picking up women from 2010-2012. I'd already been with 20 and in those about 2 1/2 years I brought it up to about 72-73, got into an ltr, then marriage, then divorced 2 years ago and have been with 6 since then.

I've took home the "hired gun" as they call them. I've got former and future strippers, etc etc.

Aside from a 3 way there's really nothing realistic for the average dude I haven't pulled off.

Myself, after going through all that, seeing how the dating world has changed since 2012, and so on I'm not as particularly pumped about going out and meeting women and at some point finding a partner as much as I once was. Online dating is significantly worse and entirely useless whereas before i was smashing pof women often.

The nightlife is total crap today. What used to be a packed Friday night is now what you'd expect on a Tuesday at Perkins.

Without a social circle, what options are left?

So with all that I'm personally not willing to put that much effort into it. Outside of an occasional lay I don't really see any benefit enough to disturb my peace. Even women in their 40s, they never change really. Same **** I've dealt with as chasing after 20s years ago.

Bro you preaching to the choir as you get older, the thrill of chasing poon doesn't hit the same as when you're younger
The thing about women in their 40s if you meet them on apps is they are delusional even the pretty ones can be entitled and insufferable. I have gone on dates/smashed more 40 year old women this year than I ever have and even the ones with nice bodies had the personality of paint drying on a wall or they think they are still 21 and wanna live the party thot girl lifestyle.

To conclude

Personally I think 2024 is the top for the dating market for women, it's just not sustainable. Like a stock market bubble, it's only so long things can go up for women, and the bubble is about to burst! The dating standards now in 2024 are just not realistic and women are actually passing possible quality husbands for a fantasy that 90% of women can't attain (because they don't qualify or that mythical 1% man is already married or lockdown meaning not enough of those 6'5 blue eyes finance guys to go around)

Most men aren't dating, plus dating is getting expensive, the standards of modern women aren't realistic in these times with high inflation, low wages, the housing market etc. You have nearly 50% of 18-29 men who live with their parents and 1/3 of those men ain't working So what's the incentive to date if most women won't give those guys a shot of those things alone?

Things are slowly starting to go back to the center but I think it will be more of a noticeable rapid acceleration within the next few years. The truth is the system is broken, and the dating market is a reflection of it. I see women very soon, who will change their mating strategy back to long-term and lockdown a provider husband that is realistic. I know some guys think this is a fantasy but time will tell