68% ( was 63 untill recently) of men dont date..

[BackInTheGame78]

With the amount of men taking themselves out of the dating pool (either because they are turning gay or because dealing with women is too much hassle), you would think that a man like yourself would be so physically exhausted from pleasuring endless hordes of single, horny women that he simply wouldn't have the energy to be a prolific poster and moderator on SoSuave. And yet, that's not the case. Why? Because women are doing the exact same thing as men. Most women are not dating. There are tons of single women (and not necessarily ugly ones) who have not dated in years. There has also been a huge increase in the number of lesbians lately. Anyone who hopes to personally benefit from dysfunctional gender dynamics will likely be disappointed.

Don't need to a of women. Currently have a girlfriend but I have cleaned up on OLD for quite some time prior to that. It would be no different if I went back to it again.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Don't need to a of women. Currently have a girlfriend but I have cleaned up on OLD for quite some time prior to that. It would be no different if I went back to it again.

You'd be surprised. OLD is way worse than it was even a couple of years ago.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You'd be surprised. OLD is way worse than it was even a couple of years ago.

Meh... I have been hearing that every time I went back to it and Everytime I got the same results which were mostly good.

The ability to adapt and adjust to changing conditions is vastly underrated as part of continuing to get results, really at anything in life.

No different than my job as a software engineer...constantly need to adapt to changing conditions, learn new things and be willing to change what I'm doing when it's necessary.

Nothing is static in life...constantly be willing to evolve or get left behind.

The people having issues are unwilling or unable to to evolve with the times.

You know who else had trouble evolving with changing conditions? Dinosaurs. How'd that turn out for them?

People can decide to evolve or slowly go extinct. And yes, that is a decision.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Meh... I have been hearing that every time I went back to it and Everytime I got the same results which were mostly good.

The ability to adapt and adjust to changing conditions is vastly underrated as part of continuing to get results, really at anything in life.

No different than my job as a software engineer...constantly need to adapt to changing conditions, learn new things and be willing to change what I'm doing when it's necessary.

Nothing is static in life...constantly be willing to evolve or get left behind.

The people having issues are unwilling or unable to to evolve with the times.

You know who else had trouble evolving with changing conditions? Dinosaurs. How'd that turn out for them?

People can decide to evolve or slowly go extinct. And yes, that is a decision.

Not a very good example as dinosaurs went extinct almost overnight as a result of an asteroid impact. It's kind of like saying that the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki went extinct because they failed to adapt to radiation.

I get your point though. Were are all adapting to some extent. But it's hard to ignore the fact that we are adapting to an inferior version of reality.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The ability to adapt and adjust to changing conditions is vastly underrated as part of continuing to get results, really at anything in life.

No different than my job as a software engineer...constantly need to adapt to changing conditions, learn new things and be willing to change what I'm doing when it's necessary.

Nothing is static in life...constantly be willing to evolve or get left behind.

The people having issues are unwilling or unable to to evolve with the times.

You know who else had trouble evolving with changing conditions? Dinosaurs. How'd that turn out for them?

People can decide to evolve or slowly go extinct. And yes, that is a decision.

Reminds one of this oft-asked question https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...-by-telling-her-about-it.282439/#post-3123050 It's mind-boggling that anyone would think dating and mating would be any different

 

[zekko]

68% of men don't date? Seems like a pretty high number. I enjoy the company of women too much to willingly live my life without them. From reading this forum and other such material, I get the impression a lot of guys don't actually like women. I'm guessing this has a big effect on whether or not you have any success with them.

 

[DreamAgain]

Hypergamy is the logical answer, plus women are getting their dopamine hits from social media and other sources, not wanting to "settle", etc.

The large majority of these guys would be paired off 50 years ago, they aren't anything worse than their father's generation.

 

[BaronOfHair]

From reading this forum and other such material, I get the impression a lot of guys don't actually like women. I'm guessing this has a big effect on whether or not you have any success with them.

Goes to a larger problem mentioned here https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...g-moves-in-person.282277/page-14#post-3121291 From The 1980s-forward, it's become easier and easier for men to retreat into fantasy worlds on screen, and by extension avoid the occasional discomfort that accompanies being out in the fresh air, among other human beings

I've yet to meet a self-described MGTOW or an Incel who didn't have serious difficulties with being sociable more generally, and who didn't hide behind a rationale similar to https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...ood-looking-enough.282318/page-3#post-3122671 "I'm much deeper and more in tune with greater truths which are incomprehensible to Blue Pill Normies... Most people are too dumb to get my genius, and avoid me" All of which is just a less glamorous and more contemporary version of Troy Dyer https://www.charactour.com/hub/characters/view/Troy-Dyer.Reality-Bites

 

[LTG71]

Women generally don't care when men pursue the MGTOW path. The MGTOW men were generally invisible to them anyway. Most women are too busy chasing the top tier men to notice mid tier or lower men dropping out of the market.

Exactly, 80+% are invisible to women anyway. This relieves some women from having to deal with unwanted approaches and interactions. It’s not until the top 20% start ignoring them that they will start noticing.

 

[LTG71]

The same thing came to mind for me. There's a group of women that claim they don't need a man so they become cat mom's dog mom's, etc and tell everyone how happy they are while they drink wine with their cats on Friday nights and scoop out litter boxes for fun.

Those men who don't want women in their lives have something wrong anyways. Nothing natural about it. Lacking something .

They call themselves feminist, lol. Being combative is not an attractive trait in a woman. No man wants to deal with a headache like that.


Ran across this yesterday and had a good laugh.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The large majority of these guys would be paired off 50 years ago, they aren't anything worse than their father's generation.

The world is not the same as it was 50 minutes ago, to say nothing of 50 years ago. We all a choice to either adapt or be left with table scraps

 

[BaronOfHair]

Ran across this yesterday and had a good laugh.
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MGTOWs are essentially performing a male variation of the "I'm a strong independent woman" mantra

 

[Solomon]

Men would rather pay for box rather than to have nowhere to put their package.

IMO paying for box is a waste of money, you literally have girls giving it up for free on these dating apps, yes I know dating apps are a hassle but man for all the box I have got in my life where I smashed a girl on the first date or even got a chick to come to my house right away if I would have paid, I would be homeless right now. Getting coochie has never been easier getting a quality girlfriend though is competlely different story

Another thing this tik tok doesn't mention is you have nearly 40% of men ages 18-35 living at home with their parents, this is a buzzkill, I remember when I moved out with my rommates my lay rate increased 4X when I moved out by myself it went up 8X. I know a 35 year old guy living with his parents and always whines about not getting girls and when he does the girls are landwhales, before when he was living on his own he was at least pulling average or decent chicks. This is also something that has to be factored in

 

[Gamisch]

IMO paying for box is a waste of money, you literally have girls giving it up for free on these dating apps, yes I know dating apps are a hassle but man for all the box I have got in my life where I smashed a girl on the first date or even got a chick to come to my house right away if I would have paid, I would be homeless right now. Getting coochie has never been easier getting a quality girlfriend though is competlely different story

Another thing this tik tok doesn't mention is you have nearly 40% of men ages 18-35 living at home with their parents, this is a buzzkill, I remember when I moved out with my rommates my lay rate increased 4X when I moved out by myself it went up 8X. I know a 35 year old guy living with his parents and always whines about not getting girls and when he does the girls are landwhales, before when he was living on his own he was at least pulling average or decent chicks. This is also something that has to be factored in

Depends. Not my proudest post, but when I sometimes see pics from these eastern European wh0res...feckikg her for a 100 seems more appealing than going through the hassle of bagging hb6 who " wants some serious now".

The experience with Ukrainian supermodel is waaay better than hb6. Ofcourse there are many arguments against sleeping with hookers.

But...most women I attract are 304s anyway, and literally few steps away from becoming hookers themselves. Can't count how often I've heard women say they "wouldn't mind being a high-class escort".

 

[Solomon]

Depends. Not my proudest post, but when I sometimes see pics from these eastern European wh0res...feckikg her for a 100 seems more appealing than going through the hassle of bagging hb6 who " wants some serious now".

The experience with Ukrainian supermodel is waaay better than hb6. Ofcourse there are many arguments against sleeping with hookers.

But...most women I attract are 304s anyway, and literally few steps away from becoming hookers themselves. Can't count how often I've heard women say they "wouldn't mind being a high-class escort".

If you're in America though than it's just a fantasy unless you make serious plans to go to Ukraine, of course in that situation a $100 for a date that may end up getting ghosted on or $100 for a dime for a couple hours well most will take the sure thing. The reality is in ameria most hookers cost $200-$1000 on average depending on where you live.

Also for most men paying for hookers isn't feasbile due to limited funds, If you penny pinching to smash a hooker twice a month you're better of stepping your game up and getting a girl who is a 5, at least the cost would be cheaper IMO lol

 

[Gamisch]

In today's landscape, I'd venture: roughly 60 - 70% of men are invisible to the opposite sex, and get little to no sex.

Including married men who get cheated on.

If I just look around me I can see statistics like this coming alive.

68% of men don't date? Seems like a pretty high number. I enjoy the company of women too much to willingly live my life without them. From reading this forum and other such material, I get the impression a lot of guys don't actually like women. I'm guessing this has a big effect on whether or not you have any success with them.

Great point. Gotta enjoy women, and for most men the experiences with women are solely negative. Like going to boxing gym and getting your azz beat. If it ain't fun you won't do it...

 

[Gamisch]

If you're in America though than it's just a fantasy unless you make serious plans to go to Ukraine, of course in that situation a $100 for a date that may end up getting ghosted on or $100 for a dime for a couple hours well most will take the sure thing. The reality is in ameria most hookers cost $200-$1000 on average depending on where you live.

Also for most men paying for hookers isn't feasbile due to limited funds, If you penny pinching to smash a hooker twice a month you're better of stepping your game up and getting a girl who is a 5, at least the cost would be cheaper IMO lol

Absolutely.

Should mention that here prostitution is legal thus we have the prettiest women from all over the globe doing prostitution. And the prices vary from 40 to indeed 200 bucks( depending on what medium you're using).

A. You spend money on hookers, and soon realize that it will NEVER (hardly ever) replace passionate sex including, yes, pillow talking kissing getting a sweet app message ect.

B. You do the app thing and only match with mediocre women at best, spend 40 to 200 bucks( depending on what medium you're using) and get very little ROI. Bringing you back to A.

I agree that SOMETHING should light a fire under a man's azz and make him work harder to get what he really wants during his life..

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Including married men who get cheated on.

If I just look around me I can see statistics like this coming alive.

Great point. Gotta enjoy women, and for most men the experiences with women are solely negative. Like going to boxing gym and getting your azz beat. If it ain't fun you won't do it...

That seems hard to believe.

 

[Gamisch]

That seems hard to believe.

Assuming you mean that I see these stats coming alive?

Well...what can I say? I gave it some thought and i know PLENTY of dudes who literally never date, at least you never see them with women.

The thing is if you don't attention to it it will pass you by unnoticed. Hardly any man will say:" yeah man, I'm on this 5 year long dryspell buy LiFe Is gREaT!!!"

 

[Solomon]

Absolutely.

Should mention that here prostitution is legal thus we have the prettiest women from all over the globe doing prostitution. And the prices vary from 40 to indeed 200 bucks( depending on what medium you're using).

A. You spend money on hookers, and soon realize that it will NEVER (hardly ever) replace passionate sex including, yes, pillow talking kissing getting a sweet app message ect.

B. You do the app thing and only match with mediocre women at best, spend 40 to 200 bucks( depending on what medium you're using) and get very little ROI. Bringing you back to A.

I agree that SOMETHING should light a fire under a man's azz and make him work harder to get what he really wants during his life..

$40 for sex?? yikes, I know in my town if you wanna bang quality chicks it's gonna cost ya $500 minium you can go on reddit and smash for $100 but those chicks are sketchy and scammers. Personally I use to try to use reddit as dating but than the hookers would do the "by the way I charge okie doke" never done don't care too

The thing is at least with option B you don'thave to take them to dinner, or out all the time. This is where you save money