30 seconds is all it takes

[Krassus]

there's a lot of wisdom in this post and the replies i've been reading as i know i had often wondered about the afc sounding ways that it would imply, but i realized that the afc's would love in fear or do things in fear whereas the man who believes in love has nothing to fear. it goes with all things improving in my life, with love i refuse to be dishonest to myself and to others, its just not worth it to me.

That's fvcking beautiful man

 

[Krassus]

to be selfless and exhibit "true love" is to have SUPREME CONFIDENCE that all your needs are met

Very good. "God's wealth is circulating in my life. His power flows through me in avalanches of abundance. All my needs, wishes and desires are met instantanelously, for i am one with God and God is... EVERYTHING." (Note that "God" here is being used to describe Nature, Life, Universe, Higher Intelligence, etc. This isn't meant to be a church prayer.) This is probably one of the most powerful affirmations i've ever used.

 

[Krassus]

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I've rethought my opinion on this, and I've changed my mind

Good for you


This mindset leaves you right out there in the open, no defense at all. If you mess up, you'll get torn down HARD. The rAFC/beginning DJ will NOT cope with that well

"For just as love is my weapon to open the hearts, love is also my shield to repulse the arrows of hate and the spears of anger. Adversity and discouragement will beat against my new shield and become as the softest of rains. My shield will protect me when i am with others and sustain me when i am alone." - Og Mandino

 

[Krassus]

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Krassus, I admire your unconventional ideas and, especially, the passion with which you convey them, but I have utilized your approach methods many times past, and I highly doubt any PUA n-closes 5 out of 100 women using your methods.

I don't even think of myself as a PUA (i've only been out in the field for 2mo following the collapse of my LTR) and in the last two weeks, i closed about 2/3 of the women i approached, all in under 30 seconds. All of them were gorgeous, just gorgeous. I have NOT seen Mystery, Tyler, Style, etc with women this beautiful. They're magazine cover material and that's exactly where one of them appeared last month. Look, i'm not trying to impress you, but i am trying to impress upon you that this philosophy... i was gonna say "works," but it doesn't just "work," it "dominates."


Your method sounds way oversimplified.

Fine. I'll go write 190 pages of fluff, add 10 pages with my philosophy, and charge you $50 for a 200-page "book."


If approaching were as easy as you say, there would be no PUA web sites and AFC's. Most guys would be getting laid. There's a reason men pay $1000.00 to learn how to to pick up women.

It becomes easy only IF AND WHEN you conquer yourself (meaning your fears, selfishness, etc). This isn't easy to do, and i'm still working on it myself. But even with the partial progress i've made, i've been able to achieve things that some people flat-out refuse to even believe. Why? Because i'm making progress IN THE RIGHT AREA. Hint: spending hours and hours on studying manipulation tactics on ASF is NOT the right area! The reason they pay thousands of dollars of workshops is because they're AFRAID. They think that the workshop will give them "that something" that will make everything work, and for a day or two afterwards, they feel like it did. But then it disappears, leaving them empty. Why? Because they don't realize that "the something" always has, and always will be WITHIN THEM. If they only looked in the right place...


The inner wholesomeness and pure endeavors you use in approaching women mean absolutely nothing to most HB's

This just... isn't true. Anyone can be a jerk. It's the easiest thing in the world. Jerk on the outside means scared and insecure inside.


...you seem to imply that most, if not all, of these women somehow "detect" and respond enthusiastically to such altruism.

They can, with ease. All humans are connected. If you're together, she'll read your body and voice, but even if you're thousands of miles away, she can still subconsciously feel you. Here's an experiment that i've undertaken about two dozen times: while expecting a call from a girl, leave your phone at home and go out. If when you're out, you're in a selfish and desperate state, hoping and wishing that she calls, you'll find no missed calls when you return home. If, on the other hand, you go out there and just LIVE, completely forgetting about the girl and being selfelss and loving with everyone you meet, you'll find SEVERAL missed calls when you return home. How and why this works is absolutely beyond me, but after seeing it happen about 5 times, i decided to put it to the test. I've done it about 20 times so far and i have yet to come home and find a missed call if my mind was in the wrong place when i was away.


What if they WANT to be alientated and negged?

Some women will want lesser men to neg them because they're tired of all the men around them being... lesser. They're addicted to the feeling they get when they're in the presence of a REAL man (perhaps it's been YEARS!), so when the real thing isn't around, a really convincing faker will do. However, when the MAN appears... *gasp* It's over.



What if she WANTS you to try to bang her?

Then i'll GLADLY take her home and give her the most fantastic fvcking she's ever dreamed of


Aren't I being just as pure when I alienate and neg a HB? I've had more sucess alienating and negging women...by far.

You're not, and the reason why is in the second sentence. You're doing it for YOUR best interests. This isn't being pure. This is being selfish.


I can't figure out why it works for you...

That's the real problem, isn't it? See, it works because it requires faith and courage in order to work. You have to BELIEVE that it'll work BEFORE you have any proof, and then have the COURAGE to put it to the test over and over and over UNTIL you begin getting results. Faith is CONFIDENCE; courage is STRENGTH. These two qualities become self-evident and will INSTANTLY cause women to become attracted to you when you approach them. Read my FR from last night, about the chick from the party. The way i approached her conveyed ENORMOUS CONFIDENCE AND STRENGTH. That made the approach work against all odds.

 

[Ace of Flames]

It's not a tactic, or anything that a 'DJ' can just turn on one day at the flick of a switch. It's a way of life, a way of thinking, a way of being. It's waking up in the morning, looking out the window and smiling at the water dripping off the leaves, or the neighbour who can't start his lawn-mower It's about seeing the light in any situation, and loving everything that is.

I am no DJ, PUA or whatever you want to call it. Hell, I don't have a very exciting history with women; But I sure can love life, and am more than willing to let anyone else share it with me, so long as they can appreciate and see it as I do.

If that's all it is, then hell, I'm already doing it! I love my life, and I make every effort I can to keep negative things out of it. To me, it just isn't worth it to have those things taking up my time. I'm always laughing and making others laugh, because laughter can't help but bring happiness along with it. They say that a woman isn't something you need to be happy or even live a successful life. I believe that. Women are just icing on the cake. You have to enjoy your life as it is now, and then women will WANT to be part of your life. No amount of techniques or mindsets will help you if you don't even like yourself. This is my philosophy; This is how I live my life.

So you might ask why I come to sosuave then? Even if these women want to be in my life, I can still mess it up by saying the wrong thing!

I apologize Krassus (*gasp* He said sorry! *shock and awe*). I think I just misunderstood your message. No offense, but your writing style has a hint of.... I dunno.... 'holier-than-thou' syndrome. Its like your condesending down to us, the normal DJs, and forcing your word among us. I know you aren't forcing anything, but I just get that feeling from your posts. That really, really annoys me, so I think being bothered by your style got in the way of your message. Guess this explains my problems with religion. Some almighty being that never shows itself, telling me how to live MY life? I'll pass.

Now as long as you don't respond to this post like, "Glad you see the light! Join us!", I think we'll be ok. Can't help but feel like I'm being assimilated into a cult with things like that, religion included.

 

[Krassus]

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If that's all it is, then hell, I'm already doing it! I love my life, and I make every effort I can to keep negative things out of it. To me, it just isn't worth it to have those things taking up my time. I'm always laughing and making others laugh, because laughter can't help but bring happiness along with it. They say that a woman isn't something you need to be happy or even live a successful life. I believe that. Women are just icing on the cake. You have to enjoy your life as it is now, and then women will WANT to be part of your life. No amount of techniques or mindsets will help you if you don't even like yourself. This is my philosophy; This is how I live my life.

You got it then


I apologize Krassus (*gasp* He said sorry! *shock and awe*).

Thanks. Takes a big man to say that

I think I just misunderstood your message. No offense, but your writing style has a hint of.... I dunno.... 'holier-than-thou' syndrome. Its like your condesending down to us, the normal DJs, and forcing your word among us. I know you aren't forcing anything, but I just get that feeling from your posts.

Yea, i get that a lot. I really have to work on it. I think it's because a lot of these things are new to me, and as i'm trying to convey my point to you, i'm trying to cement it in my own mind. If i was wishy-washy about it, i'd not only be unable to help you, but undermine my own beliefs as well. Lesser of two evils? Hopefully.

 

[people again]

really good post, but i have a question:

the whole "loving all life" thing and loving everything around you, are you implying that it isnt ok to be angry? is it ok to be saddened by bad things in life?

-or-

is it ok to be angry/sad/whatever, just so long as in the end, you love?



like i said, cool philosophy, but it kinda reminds me of the dude from Donnie Darko and the whole "love" and "fear" scale and it ends up that he's a kiddie porno guy. w/e.

 

[treefingers]

I can already hear the skeptics! "This'll never work!" "You show too much interest!" "You didn't build enough rapport!" "She'll never return your call!" SILENCE! This has worked, does work and always will work, but ONLY for the man who has TRULY acquired the philosophy outlined above. If you TRULY act selflessly, with only HER best interests in mind, you can convey SO MUCH in SO LITTLE TIME that some women will downright STALK you afterwards!

I don't mean to brag but gentlemen, i've had some amazing successes with this. First and foremost, the women i refer to in the following paragraphs are always beautiful, so they're far, far from desperate. Nevertheless, you wouldn't believe the number of times i've been asked to SPEND THE DAY with them after talking to them for only 20-30 seconds!



-Hhhhmmmm. It's funny because a lot of the people here are jumping on board your boat and singing you praises for your techniques. Why is that funny? Because they seem to do it every couple of months each time some new guru comes up with a new philosophy. The people here are seeking a prophet who will tell them all the 'secret' answers and tell them how to act.

About your post, I think you are wrong. I think you are confusing correlation with causation. You attribute your success to your super dooper philosophy of love. I think your success has nothing to do with philosophy of love. So what is causing your success? CONFIDENCE nothing more and nothing less. I think you are so confident that it's coming out your ears. This is why you are having so much success. Oh and also you seem like an enthusiastic person. I think this could also play a role as enthusiastic people are addictive to be around because it's contagious and makes people feel good.

 

[Krassus]

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The people here are seeking a prophet who will tell them all the 'secret' answers and tell them how to act.

I'm not here to tell anyone anything that they don't already know deep inside. All i do is reveal to them what they already suspect to be true. Unlike so many others, i'm not here to cloud their vision and then offer my teachings as a solution, for a price. As you might have noticed, i don't ask for people's credit card numbers on my site


So what is causing your success? CONFIDENCE nothing more and nothing less.

That's one of the factors. And what do you think is behind it? That's right... the philosophy. Cause and effect man, don't get em mixed up

 

[avengersvalor]

dude krassus, that was one of the best posts i've read. all your posts are always coming from a "higher" level than all the PUA tactics and techniques posted here, and i think that is why it works so well. subconsciously i always knew that many of these techniques were too manipulative and reeked of selfishness, and i've never really been able to resolve this issue so clearly until i've read (and reread!) your post.

good job! keep it coming, your knowledge really is helping us out there

 

[Krassus]

Thanks man

 

[pooparu]

Krassus bro, amazing ****ing post. Really man.

I believe you are 100% right, I've never COLD approached that way, but after meeting women, being sincerely genuine, makes a world of difference, and I'm gonna start to try cold approaching that way, though I'm confident that it WILL work.

I think that when you are interested in getting to know a person, behind the persona, behind the social barriers they are FORCED to put up because of AFCs in power (you know, those who term the coins slut, etc), that you can open up an ENTIRELY new world of communication. I enjoy it the most seeing a smile light up the face of a omwan, not because I used some line, but because we are both genuinely interested in EACH OTHER. Sometimes the anticipation of looking into a woman's eyes feels like death, then I realize that life is so short and precious, that to enjoy every second and make connections with all types of people is the best way to succeed. That's why I don't believe in sexism, racism, etc, because only fools would possibly limit themselves from meeting people.

I think you guys should realize (I'm sure people like skip and krassus already have) that every single woman you meet is unique. She has her own positives and her own flaws. Isn't that ****ing great guys? That means no matter how many times youc old approach, no matter how many women you meet, there's always another secret, another quirk about someone else to laugh about and ENJOY. I think the message that DJs need to shut down their emotions and be cool and calm all the time is bull****. Happiness, sadness, pain, are all just metaphors of a sort. They are used to let you know that you are alive, and emotion is the conveyor of this message. When you are 100% honest with a woman and you can say, "Hey, I'm not sure what exactly to say, but you are fantastically beautiful and I couldn't miss a chance to meet you", and you are speaking honestly (and let's face it guys, half of us think this way but shut it down because its "afc", which is bull****), the woman will appreciate and reciprocate this feeling.

See what AFCs don't realize is that they have been going about it the wrong way. The nervousness, fear, etc, are all tehre because they KNOW they aren't being honest, they aren't looking to have a connection, they are looking for a girlfriend, or to get laid, or a **** buddy, and that's not what being social is about. Meeting women should be a love, it should be a passion. And the woman should FEEL your passion when you are speaking and communicating, because she should know that you are interested in HER as a person, not to get laid. And why AREN'T you guys interested in her as a person? You are worse than the "AFCs" you try not to be, conning women and tricking them into bed so you can validate yourselves and be more manly. Its a privelege to get to know a woman, to know her inner secrets, her embarassing moments, what makes her laugh, cry, smile and angry. That means she TRUSTS you enough to let you into her world, something that not every guy gets to see, and then you guys want to go and **** it up with your pick up artist techniques and tricks to exploit her weakness.

The OP is right, it's about passion, its about being GENUINE, and its about honesty.

Krassus man, I also wanna join your site as well and if you don't mind either in a PM or even here, what's some of your philosphies you enjoy?

I get distracted alot but some of my favorites are people like Confucius, Thomas paine, a bit of lao tzu (I didn't get a chance to really get into him), and a few others.

Again krassus triple A post, read this people.

 

[Rebound Material]

I've rethought my opinion on this, and I've changed my mind, but I still have a small nitpick.

Ok ok, so as long as you have the right mindset, this works. Great. But look how Delta puts it:



He says that this kind of "selfless love" takes supreme confidence that your needs are met. Also, he says that you have to be open and confident that nothing can hurt you.

Here's my critique. I don't think this is good advice for the beginning DJ. Most likely, your average rAFC/beginning DJ has low self esteem and is just getting started with improving himself. He's probably been hurt before, and has either little or no experience with girls in the long run. Fair assessment? Ok.

This mindset leaves you right out there in the open, no defense at all. If you mess up, you'll get torn down HARD. Unless you've gone through tons of rejections and have a pretty thick skin, then that'll crush you. The rAFC/beginning DJ will NOT cope with that well, and its just a bad position overall.

So, I suggest this be regarded as "Advanced". For those that've been through hell and high water, psycho ex's and whatever else. They would have the needed experience and tough shell to handle the possible rejection and pick themselves back up afterwards.

As for the rAFCs/beginning DJ's, I'd say to stick with the general DJ methods. At least that way, they'd eventually get farther in the game, developing the thick skin to handle the rejections, and the experience required to have this "supreme confidence that all one's needs are met". Let's be honest, how can you have this all-encompassing love for women if you don't even have the guts to talk to a woman in the first place? That's barely any different than what AFCs do.

*Krassus, this was an awesome post*

But I have to agree with Ace of Flames on this one. Your technique is all about giving and wanting to benefit HER and nothing for yourself. As an rAFC thats been on this site and read its advice for the past 8 months, I can easily spot what AFC advice sounds like and this comes really close to it. Yea, if anything, this is for the experienced PUA's who have learned to easily brush of their shoulders when rejected. But using this advice as an rAFC is a definite no.

 

[So Many Ways]

Is it that simple? I hope so. I'm going to try this out. The concept of actually being genuine and actually caring about the woman I'm talking to appeals to me. Acting like a d!ck and approaching this whole thing in some sort of mercenary cold calculating robotic fashion doesn't appeal to me at all.

Great post, I'm going to try this stuff.

 

[SnowBlind77]

i havent been on in a while, but its good to see some actual mature discussion on this site again, and over an excellent post none the less. Everyone seems to be adding in, so heres my two cents:

Krassus, i think your philosophy relates alot to the one ive recently been living my life by. its basically the same thing. All these Don Juan tips, tricks and techniques are total bs in my mind. The only portion on the bible i find usefull is the "uplifting material" and "attitude" sections. Having the right mindset is allllll you need to get girls, or to get anything in life for that matter. If you have this mindset, the world is your playground. You will ooze confidence, and all the little tactics and moves youve been tryin to memorize wotn matter, because now its all NATURAL. which by the way is a hell of a lot more fun.

some of you people are telling krassus that his ideas are "afc" but in reality, so is this entire website. were all afcs, or were at some point. thats why we resort to the internet to tell us how to pick up chicks, find some balls, and enjoy our lives. I think what hrassus is tapping into is the same kind of thing that pook was doing, whom i know all of us worship right ? What hes sayin is that we should be POSITIVE. ENJOY LIFE. LIVE IT. ENJOY ALL PARTS OF LIFE, of which, women play a huge role. enjoy women, dont try and trick them into banging you so you can feel better about yourself and think your the man, cuz banging girls does NOT make you a man.

When you go into everything with this kind of attitude, all your gonna have is fun and good times. that alone is incredibly attractive to women. and i think thats what hes tryin to get across. all of krassus's critics are, once again, only focusing on the technique as opposed to the mindset. pooparu, i think youve got it down too, ive read alot of your stuff and youve got an excellent attitude on life bro:rockon: .

 

[Bvbidd]

like i said, cool philosophy, but it kinda reminds me of the dude from Donnie Darko and the whole "love" and "fear" scale and it ends up that he's a kiddie porno guy. w/e.

:crackup: lol

Anyway. I belive it works because of the whole confidence and courage part of it. Not the whole because I want what's best for her and I truley am in love with all people sh!t. That really is just creepy and awkward feeling.

You truley belive it'll work. Your straightfoward, honest and civil about it. Your dominating the chick's reality and getting laid.

You do it enough you lose any desperation you have and it simply because just that simple for you.

 

[Krassus]

See what AFCs don't realize is that they have been going about it the wrong way. The nervousness, fear, etc, are all tehre because they KNOW they aren't being honest, they aren't looking to have a connection, they are looking for a girlfriend, or to get laid, or a **** buddy, and that's not what being social is about. Meeting women should be a love, it should be a passion. And the woman should FEEL your passion when you are speaking and communicating, because she should know that you are interested in HER as a person, not to get laid. And why AREN'T you guys interested in her as a person? You are worse than the "AFCs" you try not to be, conning women and tricking them into bed so you can validate yourselves and be more manly. Its a privelege to get to know a woman, to know her inner secrets, her embarassing moments, what makes her laugh, cry, smile and angry. That means she TRUSTS you enough to let you into her world, something that not every guy gets to see, and then you guys want to go and **** it up with your pick up artist techniques and tricks to exploit her weakness.

That's beautiful, man

As far as philosophy goes, i'm currently reading a collection of books by Allen and a boon on Zen by Watts. I would HIGHLY recommend both.

 

[Krassus]

*Krassus, this was an awesome post*

But I have to agree with Ace of Flames on this one. Your technique is all about giving and wanting to benefit HER and nothing for yourself. As an rAFC thats been on this site and read its advice for the past 8 months, I can easily spot what AFC advice sounds like and this comes really close to it. Yea, if anything, this is for the experienced PUA's who have learned to easily brush of their shoulders when rejected. But using this advice as an rAFC is a definite no.

If that's your reaction after everything that's been said in this thread, you're not yet at a level where you're capable of understanding this philosophy. Give it another year or two and then come back here

 

[Krassus]

Anyway. I belive it works because of the whole confidence and courage part of it. Not the whole because I want what's best for her and I truley am in love with all people sh!t. That really is just creepy and awkward feeling.

As i've already said, i used to be (and still am) as confident as a granite wall and because i had selfish intentions, my success rate was only about 5%. The second i changed selfish to selfless, it shot up and is now way, way up there. From the last 10 women i approached, i closed about 7.

 

[Rebound Material]

If that's your reaction after everything that's been said in this thread, you're not yet at a level where you're capable of understanding this philosophy. Give it another year or two and then come back here

oh no, dont get me wrong. I understand what your saying in this post. I mean, I bet a great majority of us on here really do want to approach women with these intentions its just that rejection factor is what most of us fear. Your technique basically leaves you wide open and vulnerable because the mindset is deeper and is not of the usual "protect yourself" sh!t. Honestly, theres nothing wrong with that...just as long as you are still able to say NEXT if the situation werent to work out.