10 year relationship - Wife Lost of sexual desire

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Latinoman said:
I know of SEVERAL that already started their menopause in their early 40s.
I don't know any. My Mom didn't start hers until her 50's. I'm 41 (the same age as his wife) and haven't. My oldest sister is 10 years older than me and she hasn't started menopause yet, either. In fact, none of my sisters have and they are 48, 49 and 51.

It's highly unlikely that it is early menopause. I believe he said they have two kids ages 2 and 4. It's more likely she had postpartum depression and he handled the situation poorly by getting angry over the symptoms. He did tell us that he felt that she developed a problem and that his handling of it made matters worse.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
I'll agree with this, but with a caveat; a wife should never allow her marriage to decay to the point where a man is forced to resort to asking his wife for sex. When a man is put into a position of even feeling a need to communicate to his wife that he's not getting enough sex from her it kills genuine desire, because in doing so he's negotiated it. Once this has been overtly communicated to her sex becomes an obligation, not prompted by desire.
Yes, both the husband and wife are responsible for maintaining their marriage as well as their family...but she's not here. Honestly Rollo, is there really any point at all in talking about what the woman could or should do when giving advice or input on this site? Nope. Doing so only provides the person asking for help an excuse to sit on their hands and wait for the woman to do what she should. It won't solve the problem and won't encourage the guy to act.

By his own accounts, he handled things very badly and with anger. He also mentioned he has a 2 year old and a 4 year old. One young child can be a handful...but two that close together makes for a very worn out and tired new mother. Kids don't come with manuals...and the first few years are quite the learning experience. She may have gotten a case of the baby blues. They likely got so caught up in caring for their young family that they forgot about the foundation of that family...their marriage.

He can't take back the fallout from the anger, but he can do something about her associating negative feelings with sex. He's been begging and pleading and trying to barter his way into her pants. He needs to stop doing that while still touching her and making intimate overtures, but walk away without trying to push or force those gestures into leading to sex. He needs to change her response to his touch. Pulling away from her will not solve this one. It will only help her avoid facing and dealing with problems. Counseling helped with stopping the further damage...but it can't erase the past damage. He has to replace the bad feelings with good feelings. He can't just go do his own thing and wait for her to come to him because she won't. If she is hurting over things he has said and done because of how badly he handled her diminished desire for sex she's not going to wake up one day and stop being hurt. She's not going to chase after him...she'll just let him go.
 

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Wyldfire said:
I don't know any. My Mom didn't start hers until her 50's. I'm 41 (the same age as his wife) and haven't. My oldest sister is 10 years older than me and she hasn't started menopause yet, either. In fact, none of my sisters have and they are 48, 49 and 51.

It's highly unlikely that it is early menopause. I believe he said they have two kids ages 2 and 4. It's more likely she had postpartum depression and he handled the situation poorly by getting angry over the symptoms. He did tell us that he felt that she developed a problem and that his handling of it made matters worse.
I have seen SEVERAL cases of women in their early 40s.
I am not making this out either. I also know of a couple in their 30s and a few in their 50s.


"Post partum depression" is a cop out. If she cannot fullfil her duties as a wife and as a mother...then somebody else should.
 

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I have seen SEVERAL cases of women in their early 40s.
I am not making this out either. I also know of a couple in their 30s and a few in their 50s.


"Post partum depression" is a cop out. If she cannot fullfil her duties as a wife and as a mother...then somebody else should.

The National Institute of Health disagrees that Postpartum Depression is a "cop out". It is recognized as an illness and should be treated as such.

http://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2005/December2005/docs/01features_02.htm

I would also strongly suggest that you look up the definition of menopause.

It is defined as the cessation of menstrual periods for 12 consecutive months without any other medical reason or cause.

If his wife still has her period she is NOT in menopause.
 

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I would also strongly suggest that you look up the definition of menopause.

It is defined as the cessation of menstrual periods for 12 consecutive months without any other medical reason or cause.

If his wife still has her period she is NOT in menopause.
Don't make the mistake to assume that because I am a man, I am ignorant on this issue.

I have a girlfriend in her 40s with LOTS of literature in that issue as some of her girlfriends are going through that right now.

I grew up around my aunts too.

I know EXACTLY what Menopause is as well as some of the symptoms: (E.g. lack of sexual desire to no sexual desire, hot flashes, moodiness, etc.).

And I don't know if she still has her period.

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The National Institute of Health disagrees that Postpartum Depression is a "cop out". It is recognized as an illness and should be treated as such.
I can care less if it is an illness. I would not sacrifice my happiness for anyone.

If there is NO sex in my relationship...then I have one of two alternatives:

1- Dump her

or

2- Find somebody else on the side.
 

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Note: I agree that there must be a balance as that we should also provide satisfaction to our partners...even if it is doing some cuddleling from time to time. It is important in a relationship.
 

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Latinoman said:
And I don't know if she still has her period.
And the OP would know if his wife had stopped having her periods. Since she had a baby just 2 years ago and her hormone levels were normal a year ago and isn't having other symptoms associated with menopause it's kinda redundant to keep claiming it might be menopause. If it were the onset of menopause she would be having a bunch of symptoms, just not a lack of interest in sex.

I can care less if it is an illness. I would not sacrifice my happiness for anyone.

If there is NO sex in my relationship...then I have one of two alternatives:

1- Dump her

or

2- Find somebody else on the side.
So let's say a husband of 10 years had cancer and the chemo made him so sick and weak that he couldn't have sex with his wife. Would you also think she should dump him or find someone else just because he was too sick to fulfill his marital duties? You'd be one of the first people to call such a woman an evil biotch, but it would be no different than what you're suggesting.
 

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So let's say a husband of 10 years had cancer and the chemo made him so sick and weak that he couldn't have sex with his wife. Would you also think she should dump him or find someone else just because he was too sick to fulfill his marital duties? You'd be one of the first people to call such a woman an evil biotch, but it would be no different than what you're suggesting.

Once again, you are ASSUMING and you are talking in my BEHALF. I strongly suggest you refrain from that as I don't suffer from "victim syndrome". Furthermore, let's not debate issues that are completely unrelated as I don't want to make you look bad.


If she has cancer...that's a different thing. If she has an incapacitating sickness, that's a different thing too. He should be there for her.

But having "post traumatic" blah, blah? It is the equivalent of a man coming from the War in Iraq...and suffering of post traumatic WAR syndrome. If he cannot cope with his life as a husband, then I don't blame her if she ends up divorcing him. As LOT of women are currently doing, by the way. And I don't blame them at all.

Mental issues are different from physical issues in my opinion.


Note: If she is suffering from MENOPAUSE, then he must deal with it as he should have chosen a much younger woman. But some "mental" crap? No. He should not deal with that.
 

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Wyldfire said:
And the OP would know if his wife had stopped having her periods. Since she had a baby just 2 years ago and her hormone levels were normal a year ago and isn't having other symptoms associated with menopause it's kinda redundant to keep claiming it might be menopause. If it were the onset of menopause she would be having a bunch of symptoms, just not a lack of interest in sex.
Maybe she is having a bunch of symptoms...it just happens that the ONLY sympton he is noticing is her lack for sex.

And as a professional in my field, I would not put 100% trust on ANY professional on ANY field.

But that's beside the point. If she had Menopause...then he should deal with it.

But if she is going to some "mental" issue or is lacking desire because of laziness (getting fat)? Then I would personally NOT deal with that issue.
 

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Wyldfire said:
Yes, both the husband and wife are responsible for maintaining their marriage as well as their family...but she's not here. Honestly Rollo, is there really any point at all in talking about what the woman could or should do when giving advice or input on this site?
Perhaps not, but it's still very useful to start thinking about this from both aspects. The social convention is to automatically sympathize with the feminine - it becomes his "problem" that he needs sex and he becomes the "shallow" prick for placing so much importance on sex. So pervasive is this convention in our culture that men internalize this and begin to think there is something wrong with them and never think critically that the problem of desire takes 2 partners and 2 attitudes. Of course, women need to understand the desire dynamic too, and preaching this on SoSuave seems kind of a moot point, but who's going to tell them? I think the guy involved breaking out of this one-sided mentality and then relating it to his spouse might be a good start.

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He also mentioned he has a 2 year old and a 4 year old. One young child can be a handful...but two that close together makes for a very worn out and tired new mother. Kids don't come with manuals...and the first few years are quite the learning experience. She may have gotten a case of the baby blues. They likely got so caught up in caring for their young family that they forgot about the foundation of that family...their marriage.
True, but there are thousands of single mothers of 2 & 4 y.o.s filling gyms across the nation who've suddenly 'found' the time to get themselves back in shape after their divorce - time they conveniently didn't have to devote to their husbands when they were married. So, what changed? It's all about conditions and motivation.
 

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True, but there are thousands of single mothers of 2 & 4 y.o.s filling gyms across the nation who've suddenly 'found' the time to get themselves back in shape after their divorce - time they conveniently didn't have to devote to their husbands when they were married. So, what changed? It's all about conditions and motivation.
That's exactly it. People only do as much as they have to and get away with as much as they can. Which means whoever has more power in the relationship (typically women these days due to our feminist culture) will do less and try to get away with more.

Flip the script around and she will be forced to cater to HIS needs, though.

You think K-Fed was "attentive" and "emotionally-supportive" of Britney? H*ll no! He was the exact opposite. Yet she still married him and chose to have 2 of his kids. And sure never stopped wanting to have sex with him... So, why was the motivation flipped in this case? Well, one BIG reason was the fact that she had FAAARRR more money than him and stood to lose far more in a divorce. She was the one in the "man's" traditional role here and thus she had to cater to HIM to try to make the marriage work. But this is the marriage trap that men typically fall into - since they are usually the wealthier one.

Marriage is a HUGE piece of leverage in a relationship! It's what gives the poorer one more POWER over the richer one! So, why should the richer one ever want to get married? Honestly, they SHOULDN'T, if they want to retain their fair power.

If this couple wasn't married, you think she'd be holding out and being a whiny bych like this? H3LL NO!
 

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For the last several days I thought about your (LTR_guy) situation. I am married, nearly as long as you, and I go as far as to say ‘very happily’. Our intimate life is a large part of our bond, so I can only imagine if it were missing the struggles that would need to be overcome.

I have to give most credit to my husband, I think what has kept us moving forward and enjoying intimacy, it is the trust he gives me and expectations he set forth for us. I don’t really mean trust in the sense of not cheating on each other, that is a “given”, it is the trust to be the man he is. My husband is a dominate man that has to lead, he’s powerful, brilliant and presents himself very strong and forward.

He does things in our home, he does the banking, pays the bills, decides retirement investments and when it’s time to trade the car. He even goes further with a few care-giving tasks like keeping my car filled with gas, he keeps my wiper blades and air pressure checked and so forth. And over the years I’ve built a trust in him to do these things.

In turn I’ve built trust with him too, working from home allows me time to do many of the tasks that keep our home nice, our laundry clean and meals on the table. I meet service providers, run errands he may not have time for and most importantly, schedule myself to be free when he is.

We’ve grown to trust each other to perform our needed tasks, I never have to think, “did a bill get paid” or “is my oil changed” and he never has to wonder “what am I going to do for dinner” or “I wonder when she’ll get home”. I know these things may sound trivial, but over the years the trust built and expectations fulfilled are invaluable.

We expect things from each other, we expect one another to confront each other and not flee to friends with issues, to never have the silent treatment but to get it all out in the open and to set one another straight IF we begin to head a direction that isn’t honorable to our marriage.

With this leadership, this trust, with this feeling of meeting or exceeding his expectations, it makes me want for more. Maybe it’s a greed that has built within, but I want him to expect things of me, to be fit, to be available, to be his little damsel or demon, wherever the night may lead. On top of that I expect him to be open and receiving when I initiate and the way I initiate.

I know he has great sexual needs, as do I, AND YOUR wife does too. There is NOTHING in this thread that would surprise her, she’d never say “O_O – OMG he wants more intimacy???!!!” I have to wonder IF you and her have a trusted bond, if you and her live up to one another’s expectations or if expectations ever even set forth?

Never ONE time in nearly 13 years have we ever gotten in the car and he ask me where I’d like to go for dinner. Instead, he knows what I eat, he knows I choose salads, vegetables and fish, we go places that accommodate my needs and his pleasures. Now before you gasp and say that it may seem rude, know this, if I don’t like his choice he EXPECTS me to tell him different, he holds me accountable to speak aloud my desire for Italian and not kick back and mope about his decision IF it doesn’t please me. See? I love that more then you can ever imagine. He KNOWS me, he LISTENS to me, he holds me ACCOUNTABLE and he EXPECT me to communicate and he showed it all to me through his TRUE HEARTFELT actions and not just words. He's that good.

Sometimes I need a candlelit meal and making love, sometimes I need to attack him at the door, sometimes we clash struggling for different things and yes, we expect each other the VERBALLY say/aloud, in real words, what our needs are.

LTR – Do you expect things of your wife and she of you? Do you and her use real spoken aloud words to communicate your desires of one another? Do you lead? Do you or her ever have to wonder if a bill is paid or if the laundry will be clean? Does you each to selfish things for your mental or spiritual health? Yoga, basketball, kickboxing, step classes, etc… It is important, unless your own personal roots are stable, everything else will sway.

Warning, people will follow with the 50/50 speeches and the “I can do it all and still please a man” etc… This is just MY opinion and what works for ME. BUT, no one on this planet can do it all, not in a relationship, there isn’t a women who can “bring home the bacon, fry it up in the pan and never let you forget you a man” sorry, a woman in only human, we have our limits, we tire and we drop the ball somewhere in our life, maybe in our fitness, maybe trust, maybe care, maybe love, but no woman can keep all the balls in the air at once.
 

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^ Finally, some functional advice from a functional woman in a functional LTR! :up: We need farrr more of this to counteract the more vocal minority of a dysfunctional woman.

Truth is, feminism fixed what wasn't broke. It's tried to reverse natural roles or make them all the same.

Problem is, we naturally evolved to be different - and so living by those differences works best and most efficiently for everyone.

Good leadership is not oppressive, it is supportive. It is deeply knowing, caring for and taking responsibility for someone else. Women naturally like and need this in a man, despite what feminists want you to believe. Couples who follow this natural dynamic have a better chance of success.

Those who don't are eventually going to feel unfulfilled. The man will feel weak and the woman like her man isn't strong enough. The spark will be gone as this is a turn-off to both parties. Feminists can push their beliefs all over the media and academia, but the bedroom and our bodies don't lie. You cannot reprogram millions of years of evolution in a generation...and why should you?
 

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wayword said:
That's exactly it. People only do as much as they have to and get away with as much as they can. Which means whoever has more power in the relationship (typically women these days due to our feminist culture) will do less and try to get away with more.

Flip the script around and she will be forced to cater to HIS needs, though.

You think K-Fed was "attentive" and "emotionally-supportive" of Britney? H*ll no! He was the exact opposite. Yet she still married him and chose to have 2 of his kids. And sure never stopped wanting to have sex with him... So, why was the motivation flipped in this case? Well, one BIG reason was the fact that she had FAAARRR more money than him and stood to lose far more in a divorce. She was the one in the "man's" traditional role here and thus she had to cater to HIM to try to make the marriage work. But this is the marriage trap that men typically fall into - since they are usually the wealthier one.

Marriage is a HUGE piece of leverage in a relationship! It's what gives the poorer one more POWER over the richer one! So, why should the richer one ever want to get married? Honestly, they SHOULDN'T, if they want to retain their fair power.

If this couple wasn't married, you think she'd be holding out and being a whiny bych like this? H3LL NO!
I totally agree with this.

For me to remarried again will take a LOT. One would be she making a LOT more than me and having much more assets than me. The other would be no having kids.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Perhaps not, but it's still very useful to start thinking about this from both aspects. The social convention is to automatically sympathize with the feminine - it becomes his "problem" that he needs sex and he becomes the "shallow" prick for placing so much importance on sex. So pervasive is this convention in our culture that men internalize this and begin to think there is something wrong with them and never think critically that the problem of desire takes 2 partners and 2 attitudes. Of course, women need to understand the desire dynamic too, and preaching this on SoSuave seems kind of a moot point, but who's going to tell them? I think the guy involved breaking out of this one-sided mentality and then relating it to his spouse might be a good start.



True, but there are thousands of single mothers of 2 & 4 y.o.s filling gyms across the nation who've suddenly 'found' the time to get themselves back in shape after their divorce - time they conveniently didn't have to devote to their husbands when they were married. So, what changed? It's all about conditions and motivation.
I think it's important that no man ever feel guilty for asserting the importance of a satisfying sex life in their marriage...and there is nothing wrong with telling the guys here that regardless of what messages they may get elsewhere...they have every right to want and need sex...it's quite natural for them to want and need it.

The problem here (and it's a widespread problem) is that too many guys on here get caught up in some very self-defeating behavior. All the blaming and lack of self-responsibility is VERY harmful to the guys here. You know that Rollo. Glasser had it exactly right with his Reality Therapy model. Step 5 is very important in that model...no excuses.

It's GREAT to encourage men to be men...and to be entirely comfortable in their manhood. It's HORRIBLE to either encourage or sit back and watch men embrace victimhood, blame, complain and make excuses. You're doing a fantastic job stressing that guys should not apologize or feel guilt or shame for being a man. You're not doing so great when it comes to encouraging those same men to let go of the self-defeating attitudes and behaviors of taking on a victim mentality. You could be of SO MUCH more help to the men here if only you would put as much effort into helping them get out of the victim funk as you do in helping them get out of the guilt for being men funk. They need BOTH.
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Bad_Lil'Pixie said:
For the last several days I thought about your (LTR_guy) situation. I am married, nearly as long as you, and I go as far as to say ‘very happily’. Our intimate life is a large part of our bond, so I can only imagine if it were missing the struggles that would need to be overcome.

I have to give most credit to my husband, I think what has kept us moving forward and enjoying intimacy, it is the trust he gives me and expectations he set forth for us. I don’t really mean trust in the sense of not cheating on each other, that is a “given”, it is the trust to be the man he is. My husband is a dominate man that has to lead, he’s powerful, brilliant and presents himself very strong and forward.

He does things in our home, he does the banking, pays the bills, decides retirement investments and when it’s time to trade the car. He even goes further with a few care-giving tasks like keeping my car filled with gas, he keeps my wiper blades and air pressure checked and so forth. And over the years I’ve built a trust in him to do these things.

In turn I’ve built trust with him too, working from home allows me time to do many of the tasks that keep our home nice, our laundry clean and meals on the table. I meet service providers, run errands he may not have time for and most importantly, schedule myself to be free when he is.

We’ve grown to trust each other to perform our needed tasks, I never have to think, “did a bill get paid” or “is my oil changed” and he never has to wonder “what am I going to do for dinner” or “I wonder when she’ll get home”. I know these things may sound trivial, but over the years the trust built and expectations fulfilled are invaluable.

We expect things from each other, we expect one another to confront each other and not flee to friends with issues, to never have the silent treatment but to get it all out in the open and to set one another straight IF we begin to head a direction that isn’t honorable to our marriage.

With this leadership, this trust, with this feeling of meeting or exceeding his expectations, it makes me want for more. Maybe it’s a greed that has built within, but I want him to expect things of me, to be fit, to be available, to be his little damsel or demon, wherever the night may lead. On top of that I expect him to be open and receiving when I initiate and the way I initiate.

I know he has great sexual needs, as do I, AND YOUR wife does too. There is NOTHING in this thread that would surprise her, she’d never say “O_O – OMG he wants more intimacy???!!!” I have to wonder IF you and her have a trusted bond, if you and her live up to one another’s expectations or if expectations ever even set forth?

Never ONE time in nearly 13 years have we ever gotten in the car and he ask me where I’d like to go for dinner. Instead, he knows what I eat, he knows I choose salads, vegetables and fish, we go places that accommodate my needs and his pleasures. Now before you gasp and say that it may seem rude, know this, if I don’t like his choice he EXPECTS me to tell him different, he holds me accountable to speak aloud my desire for Italian and not kick back and mope about his decision IF it doesn’t please me. See? I love that more then you can ever imagine. He KNOWS me, he LISTENS to me, he holds me ACCOUNTABLE and he EXPECT me to communicate and he showed it all to me through his TRUE HEARTFELT actions and not just words. He's that good.

Sometimes I need a candlelit meal and making love, sometimes I need to attack him at the door, sometimes we clash struggling for different things and yes, we expect each other the VERBALLY say/aloud, in real words, what our needs are.

LTR – Do you expect things of your wife and she of you? Do you and her use real spoken aloud words to communicate your desires of one another? Do you lead? Do you or her ever have to wonder if a bill is paid or if the laundry will be clean? Does you each to selfish things for your mental or spiritual health? Yoga, basketball, kickboxing, step classes, etc… It is important, unless your own personal roots are stable, everything else will sway.

Warning, people will follow with the 50/50 speeches and the “I can do it all and still please a man” etc… This is just MY opinion and what works for ME. BUT, no one on this planet can do it all, not in a relationship, there isn’t a women who can “bring home the bacon, fry it up in the pan and never let you forget you a man” sorry, a woman in only human, we have our limits, we tire and we drop the ball somewhere in our life, maybe in our fitness, maybe trust, maybe care, maybe love, but no woman can keep all the balls in the air at once.

This is excellent. My marriage was very similar too (my ex-wife STILL wants me back). But things sometimes change. Beware on the issue of how to deal or raise your children once they become teenagers as that can put a wrench on the marriage. Also, about evolving linearly together.

That said...your marriage is working because you understand that there roles and because both of you have lot of respect and understand the expectations.

And you are right...SEX is extremely important.


And any man that is treated the way your husband is treated by you...will stand by YOU even when things such as health might impact. You see? Trust and respect earned and sustain throughout the years has a LONG way to go for a Man.

Like somebody else said...YOU have provided an outstanding post.
 

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wayword said:
Problem is, we naturally evolved to be different - and so living by those differences works best and most efficiently for everyone.

Good leadership is not oppressive, it is supportive. It is deeply knowing, caring for and taking responsibility for someone else. Women naturally like and need this in a man, despite what feminists want you to believe. Couples who follow this natural dynamic have a better chance of success.
Totally agree with this.

Equality in roles is great in the work environment. But not in relationships.
 

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Bad_Lil_Pixie...you and your husband set the groundwork and clearly talked about each other's expectations and roles. If everyone did that there wouldn't be so many failing marriages. People who do what you and your husband have done right at the start of your relationship don't usually end up with problems that have gone on for years and caused all the pain, anger and resentment. You deal with the issues immediately instead of letting them fester.

While your post is great in telling guys how they should lead their relationships, it's not going to fix the damage that has been done. What it can do, is advise him where to adjust things once that damage has been dealt with. You do need complete trust in one another to build the kind of marriage you have, and at this point the OP and his wife doesn't have that trust.

You know...you should expand upon your post and put it in the tips section. I think it would help anyone contemplating marriage...and there really isn't enough of that. Hopefully the OP will be able to fix the damage that has occurred in his marriage and then see if what works for you will work for him and his wife.
 

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wayword said:
^ Finally, some functional advice from a functional woman in a functional LTR! :up: We need farrr more of this to counteract the more vocal minority of a dysfunctional woman.

Truth is, feminism fixed what wasn't broke. It's tried to reverse natural roles or make them all the same.

Problem is, we naturally evolved to be different - and so living by those differences works best and most efficiently for everyone.

Good leadership is not oppressive, it is supportive. It is deeply knowing, caring for and taking responsibility for someone else. Women naturally like and need this in a man, despite what feminists want you to believe. Couples who follow this natural dynamic have a better chance of success.

Those who don't are eventually going to feel unfulfilled. The man will feel weak and the woman like her man isn't strong enough. The spark will be gone as this is a turn-off to both parties. Feminists can push their beliefs all over the media and academia, but the bedroom and our bodies don't lie. You cannot reprogram millions of years of evolution in a generation...and why should you?
And of course you just can't post without slipping some kind of slam against me.

Ironically...my fiance and I had the exact kind of relationship as Pixie just described her marriage to be. I'd be married to my fiance now if he had not died. We were extremely happy for over 5 years and would still be happy today if he were alive.

Prior to that I also had a horrible marriage with someone who treated me very badly. I have a very firm understanding of the dynamics of a very healthy LTR and a very unhealthy LTR.

Some of you look at only my unsuccessful marriage (my first serious relationship) rather than acknowledging the fact that immediately following that I had a VERY successful, healthy and wonderful LTR.

It's great that Pixie has a great marriage...she's very fortunate and many of you could learn a lot from her about what a good marriage looks like. However, regarding this thread, all her post can provide is showing the OP what he should have done and what he can do differently IF he can resolve the problem at hand. It doesn't offer a solution to the current problem, though. When a marriage is a mess and damage has been done you can't just wake up one day and inform your partner that you have all these expectations you are placing on them and think it's going to be well-received. They have to heal the pain they have caused each other first...and since he's the one here he needs to be the one to start that process.
 

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Wyldfire said:
And of course you just can't post without slipping some kind of slam against me.

Ironically...my fiance and I had the exact kind of relationship as Pixie just described her marriage to be. I'd be married to my fiance now if he had not died. We were extremely happy for over 5 years and would still be happy today if he were alive.

Prior to that I also had a horrible marriage with someone who treated me very badly. I have a very firm understanding of the dynamics of a very healthy LTR and a very unhealthy LTR.

Some of you look at only my unsuccessful marriage (my first serious relationship) rather than acknowledging the fact that immediately following that I had a VERY successful, healthy and wonderful LTR.
I cannot acknowledge that you had a "VERY successful, healthy and wonderful LTR" (my daughter gets into similar relationship and I would consider myself a FAILURE as a parent)...because of three main facts:

1- You have a child with him...but did NOT married him.

2- you were together for over five years...but did NOT married him. (5 years without marrying is WAY too long for people in their 30s; unless none had the intention to marry each other)

3- This is going to sound bad...but I have to be very honest. You described that guy as a brute (e.g. YOUR definition of "alpha"). A man that was in prison and intimidated the custodians and other prisoners. A man which behavior cost him his life. And once again, I say this will all due respect.

I will tell you one thing as a man. A man in his 30s know what he wants. If after 2 years together (and a child) he does not marry you...then you can rest assure that he has little to no desire to marry you. Regardless of what he has told you. He might want to be with you...but NOT to marry you. That's my personal experience.
 

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