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    Help! Possible Cluster B- Feeling Totally Lost

    Thanks. Yes, they do leave us with interesting questions about ourselves and why we tolerated their behavior for so long - and why secretly we may even still want them back. What's weird is that I was seeing several girls when I met mine, but I was fairly serious about one of them. I chose my...
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    Help! Possible Cluster B- Feeling Totally Lost

    Thanks Atom Smasher. I am talking about posts like the following, and some others in this thread and forum: First of all, the phrase "merely a personality disorder" is very dismissive of the seriousness of this condition. It is not something they do. It is something they are. Someone made a...
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    Help! Possible Cluster B- Feeling Totally Lost

    There is a very unhealthy idea (IMHO) on this forum that BPDs intentionally "victimize" and manipulate men only to leave them. Yet I think, as Die Hard said, it is naive to give them that much credit. BPDs have been called "evil", "vampires", etc., but in reality they are just very sick people...
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    Help! Possible Cluster B- Feeling Totally Lost

    Good thread, I just read all of it. Findog, I too am in the process of forgiving one of these girls. I broke up with her about 10 weeks ago. At the time I didn't believe she had BPD, but after extensive time studying this forum, bpdfamily, psychforums, Shari's site (that is the one that...
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    BIIIIG Problem, this girl is a mess and I need help....

    Without trying to derail the thread - I agree that these girls aren't just low quality, they're ZERO quality. The problem is that they do not present so obviously to inexperienced guys, lonely guys, or men who are successful with women yet were raised by a similar woman (as in my case). They...
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    BIIIIG Problem, this girl is a mess and I need help....

    I know you think you are connecting with her. But what is happening is NOT a healthy emotional adult connection. Two things are going on here: she is "mirroring" you to make you feel understood and appreciated you are projecting onto her to make yourself feel powerful This is how...
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    BIIIIG Problem, this girl is a mess and I need help....

    OP, do some research on "BPD waifs." I recently got out of a relationship with one, and it will completely fvck your reality if you let them in deep enough. It can literally destroy your sense of self in the end. My girl was JUST like this (with the exception that she was very sexual at first...
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    Below average chump needs some help!

    When you get laid, it makes you less desperate (subconsciously) for action and women can sense that. Banging your ex could be helpful to you as long as you can compartmentalize your emotions, and as long as she isn't psycho (I maintained a FB relationship with a psycho ex once, that did NOT have...
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    A girl I'm seeing who has a "boyfriend".....Need help

    You are absolutely delusional if you think this girl won't eventually do the same thing to you. This girl is a wh0re. Yet your ego and narcissism have convinced you that a cigar is not a cigar in this case, that she really likes you for YOU. Her "feelings" at this time may be genuine - but...
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    Why smart betas do better than alphas

    Exactly. All these terms - "AFC", "alpha", "beta", "omega", "smart beta", "PUA" - are so loosely defined (in this thread and in general) that this debate is actually kind of pointless. What one poster views as "alpha", another views as "smart beta," and so on.
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    Below average chump needs some help!

    Making a woman feel that she needs to meet YOUR standards, that YOU are the prize, is something you do with a mix of subtlety and directness. As you gain more confidence in yourself this will happen naturally without you even having to think about it. One thing that is important is to make her...
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    Below average chump needs some help!

    Just be careful that you don't start trying to "meet emotional needs" too soon. Context is everything. I could be wrong, but it just seems that you're more interested in "higher level" emotions to win a woman, when in reality your focus needs to be on stimulating her more base/primal emotions...
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    Need to know asap please =)

    For Christ's sake, DO NOT CALL HER BACK. Are you noticing a pattern about your interaction with her? She is controlling everything. You are on her leash. Keep going like this, and she's going to get bored and cut you off. It may be too late anyway, and she's possibly just using you as a toy...
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    Below average chump needs some help!

    I also get the feeling you are so concerned about "meeting emotional needs" because you think that is what attracts a woman to a man. Yes, it is true that if a woman is in a relationship with you, you must satisfy both her emotional and sexual needs... but when picking up a woman, it needs to...
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    Below average chump needs some help!

    Stop reading the numerous "how do I respond to this text" or "she touched my hand, does that mean she wants me?" threads and start reading threads about confidence, inner game, pedestaling women, and your general attitude toward your own life. A lot of the fears and questions you have right...
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    New to the board..shocked and saddened by some of you

    Rest of the story... She goes back to my place after lunch. She's sitting on me on my bed, we're making out. She asks if I have a condom. I said yes. She then says "we can't do this," gets up, and walks into the living room. I was pissed and decided that instead of trying a freeze-out or...
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    New to the board..shocked and saddened by some of you

    This thread reminds me of a funny moment I had while on a "date" with a stripper last year. her: "Do you do coke?" me: "No" her: (awkward pause) "Oh, that's good. I don't do coke either." Never got to fvck that one...
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    Girls delaying responses?

    I have had this happen several times when doing number closes on POF and on FB... the girl is responding quickly and enthusiastically for a few messages, then when I go for the #, I hear nothing. I always wait it out. I don't contact her at all or "follow up." This has worked every time and...
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    New to the board..shocked and saddened by some of you

    I think this pic about sums it up: http://www.shinyshiny.tv/troll.jpg I can't believe there are guys ITT asking this woman (if she is indeed a woman and not some bored 16yo in his dad's basement) for advice. p.s.s. LMAO at the use of the phrase "shocked and saddened" by a prostitute/stripper.
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