Anyone here tore a rotator cuff?

[Fruitbat]

Saw a Dr, told me to just ease in. That was 3 months ago.

I have zero pain usually but twisting my shoulder back to squat hurts a little. I did it deadlifting. Im not pushing it as I can feel the pain and I don’t want to tear it again.

it’s been 6 months maybe more, my training consistency has suffered too as I was progressing very well and I’ve lost loads of strength.

anyone had this. And do you think either surgery or injections are necessary given length of time. I’ve heard pain doesn’t mean it’s weak. Not sure what to do. Thanks

 

[New_Journey]

Saw a Dr, told me to just ease in. That was 3 months ago.

I have zero pain usually but twisting my shoulder back to squat hurts a little. I did it deadlifting. Im not pushing it as I can feel the pain and I don’t want to tear it again.

it’s been 6 months maybe more, my training consistency has suffered too as I was progressing very well and I’ve lost loads of strength.

anyone had this. And do you think either surgery or injections are necessary given length of time. I’ve heard pain doesn’t mean it’s weak. Not sure what to do. Thanks

I'm on TRT and I use low dose of Deca to lubricate joints. Not sure if that helps with that, but definitely you feel better and pain free.

IMO surgery should be the last resort.

 

[Gamisch]

Saw a Dr, told me to just ease in. That was 3 months ago.

I have zero pain usually but twisting my shoulder back to squat hurts a little. I did it deadlifting. Im not pushing it as I can feel the pain and I don’t want to tear it again.

it’s been 6 months maybe more, my training consistency has suffered too as I was progressing very well and I’ve lost loads of strength.

anyone had this. And do you think either surgery or injections are necessary given length of time. I’ve heard pain doesn’t mean it’s weak. Not sure what to do. Thanks

My rotary cuff been hurting for years due to wear and tear from boxing. Went to a PT who told me to work on my bicep because its connected to the shoulder. Pain is completely gone BUT it took me at least one full year of exercise.

Go to a PT. Surgery is the last resort and it won't be pretty....

 

[Bible_Belt]

My stepdad had the surgery. They never really know for sure how bad it is until they cut you open. He had chronic pain for years.

 

[Fruitbat]

I'm on TRT and I use low dose of Deca to lubricate joints. Not sure if that helps with that, but definitely you feel better and pain free.

IMO surgery should be the last resort.

don’t need TRT, thought about deca but don’t want to mess with my (pretty good for age) T system.

does deca mess with ur T production?

 

[Fruitbat]

My rotary cuff been hurting for years due to wear and tear from boxing. Went to a PT who told me to work on my bicep because its connected to the shoulder. Pain is completely gone BUT it took me at least one full year of exercise.

Go to a PT. Surgery is the last resort and it won't be pretty....

I can’t curl since I tore it.

will go to a PT

 

[Swagman]

The shoulder is a hyper mobile joint and should be treated with extreme care, this could be caused by any number of things. I think it's a good sign that the pain isn't with you all the time, but don't let us diagnose you. Great work getting to a doctor, next step is a PT who will oversee your recovery and get you back in form.

Losing strength is disheartening I know, trust me I've been there many times and for all sorts of reasons. The good news is it'll come back to you quickly once you start training again, and when you're recovered you'll be super motivated to hit the gym.

Don't look into PEDs for a rotator cuff issue. Once you're healed, if you want to hit the juice talk to us and we can run you through your options. But that should come from an informed place and a desire to gain mass.

Deadlifts while fun can injure you in all sorts of ways even if you're being careful. When I trained them I would only phase them in temporarily then not do them for a while, and I only ever did singles. Getting a bit older now so I tend to be a bit more conservative with the weights and the exercises I use, this means I've cut out both the deadlift and the bench press.

 

[New_Journey]

does deca mess with ur T production?

Yes. So if you're not on trt don't.

Don't look into PEDs for a rotator cuff issue

This is misleading, you need to learn difference. The dose is what matters.

talk to us and we can run you through your options

Talk to you? Who are you? Why are you fit to give advice on steroids? Are you a Dr? Do you work with males in a clinic? Do you except people to trust you just because you say it?

@Fruitbat I was searching online and I found this clinical trial, they're using Anavar (a PED) which a derivative of Testosterone to help with that repair, I know you're against it, but its food for thought.

This study is about healing after a rotator cuff tear repair procedure. We hope to learn if a biologic medication: Oxandrolone, a synthetic derivative of the human hormone Testosterone (the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid), given for 12 weeks following rotator cuff repair, is effective in aiding in the healing process and restoring muscle mass.

Oxandrolone Rotator Cuff Trial

This study is about healing after a rotator cuff tear repair procedure. We hope to learn if a biologic medication: Oxandrolone, a synthetic derivative of the human hormone Testosterone (the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid), given for 12 weeks following rotator cuff repair, is...

ctv.veeva.com

 

[Swagman]

You're right, what was I thinking? OP, hop on deca.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Hmm...that seems like a strange injury to get from deadlifting.

Were you trying to pull from your arms instead of from your posterior chain?

 

[Fruitbat]

The shoulder is a hyper mobile joint and should be treated with extreme care, this could be caused by any number of things. I think it's a good sign that the pain isn't with you all the time, but don't let us diagnose you. Great work getting to a doctor, next step is a PT who will oversee your recovery and get you back in form.

Losing strength is disheartening I know, trust me I've been there many times and for all sorts of reasons. The good news is it'll come back to you quickly once you start training again, and when you're recovered you'll be super motivated to hit the gym.

Don't look into PEDs for a rotator cuff issue. Once you're healed, if you want to hit the juice talk to us and we can run you through your options. But that should come from an informed place and a desire to gain mass.

Deadlifts while fun can injure you in all sorts of ways even if you're being careful. When I trained them I would only phase them in temporarily then not do them for a while, and I only ever did singles. Getting a bit older now so I tend to be a bit more conservative with the weights and the exercises I use, this means I've cut out both the deadlift and the bench press.

Here’s a question. I’m in my early forties. Really I need to lose fat, I’m overweight. I’ve always lived and breathed the idea of free weights, hitting compounds, deadlifts, squats. I’ve had one hernia from squats and one torn shoulder.

I’m not trying to win Mr Olympia and I don’t need PED really as my test is 600+ from multiple tests even 30+ bodyfat and ****ty sleep .my full panel of hormone was really good, SHBG etc all bang on normal and test has always been 600-700 from multiple tests.

question is, do I even need to keep deadlifting? Or squatting? I don’t want to be a bodybuilder, I just want to be fit and not skinny.

I love deadlifting. I’m thinking I could get by on a squat and a stiff leg dead, despite what they say I feel the real deadlift is the injury maker, stiff leg dead’s target hams more and are less shoulder and back involved.

I don’t think I’d get injured, might have to drop deads . Or do I go machines? I kind of look down on machines

 

[Fruitbat]

Hmm...that seems like a strange injury to get from deadlifting.

Were you trying to pull from your arms instead of from your posterior chain?

it was after a pull session so it’s either deadlifts, bent over row, curl or bench.

I can’t pinpoint it but I think it was the dead . Also it was movement with my arm low that hurt the most . The moving of my arm from by my side up to level hurt the most.

Good to see yoh back I thought you’d left.

 

[New_Journey]

Here’s a question. I’m in my early forties. Really I need to lose fat, I’m overweight. I’ve always lived and breathed the idea of free weights, hitting compounds, deadlifts, squats. I’ve had one hernia from squats and one torn shoulder.

I’m not trying to win Mr Olympia and I don’t need PED really as my test is 600+ from multiple tests even 30+ bodyfat and ****ty sleep .my full panel of hormone was really good, SHBG etc all bang on normal and test has always been 600-700 from multiple tests.

question is, do I even need to keep deadlifting? Or squatting? I don’t want to be a bodybuilder, I just want to be fit and not skinny.

I love deadlifting. I’m thinking I could get by on a squat and a stiff leg dead, despite what they say I feel the real deadlift is the injury maker, stiff leg dead’s target hams more and are less shoulder and back involved.

I don’t think I’d get injured, might have to drop deads . Or do I go machines? I kind of look down on machines

You shouldn't go by just numbers, you gotta take symptoms into account. TRT is to optimize your hormones, not to have your levels super high.

If you wanna be fit and skinny, you gotta hit the gym, eat healthy, caloric deficit, good sleep, low stress, and consistency. There is no magic pill, not even on PEDs you'll be fit if you don't do the work.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi FruitBat,
Tore my rotator 40 years ago,arm wrestling....Several times I have thought It was behind me,but no,like a bad penny it is still there,waiting for me to do something silly...I found it best to completely rest that arm for a month,then ease back into it...To avoid reccurrence I have put a threaded "O" Ring into a door architrave at shoulder height,fixed a handle and Band to it and do basic exercises on that three times a week.

 

[BeExcellent]

My son tore his labrum in half at 19. Had surgery. He's made a full recovery (enough that he was medically cleared to stay on track into the military (no small feat).

Get a work up and imaging studies at the best shoulder physician you can find. You need an MRI or CT scan to know the extent of the injury. Short of that its a guessing game, and a total crap shoot as far as what will help and what will harm you.

Do that first. Meanwhile rest it. Cartilage, tendons & ligaments have relatively poor blood supply. That means those tissues do not get enough nutrients to heal quickly. It took a full year for my son to recover (at 19 doing PT religiously).

Get an eval and don't make it worse first. Once you know the extent/type of injury then you can make informed decisions about what to do next.

Cheers.

 

[Gamisch]

Here’s a question. I’m in my early forties. Really I need to lose fat, I’m overweight. I’ve always lived and breathed the idea of free weights, hitting compounds, deadlifts, squats. I’ve had one hernia from squats and one torn shoulder.

I’m not trying to win Mr Olympia and I don’t need PED really as my test is 600+ from multiple tests even 30+ bodyfat and ****ty sleep .my full panel of hormone was really good, SHBG etc all bang on normal and test has always been 600-700 from multiple tests.

question is, do I even need to keep deadlifting? Or squatting? I don’t want to be a bodybuilder, I just want to be fit and not skinny.

I love deadlifting. I’m thinking I could get by on a squat and a stiff leg dead, despite what they say I feel the real deadlift is the injury maker, stiff leg dead’s target hams more and are less shoulder and back involved.

I don’t think I’d get injured, might have to drop deads . Or do I go machines? I kind of look down on machines

Losing weight is a really difficult task. It's not impossible , but we are creatures of habits. So you eat what you eat, drink what you drink, watch on " tv" what you watch( aka sitting down.)

If you wanna lose weight you gotta attack from different angles.
1 - lift weights
2. Cardio
3 eat less
3.b eat healthy
4 . Be more active in your daily life

1. First of all be EXTREMELY cautious dealing with your injury. The shoulder is needed for almost all exercises. So you gotta bring down the weights significantly. Tbh I wouldn't touch the weights untill I consoled a GOOD PT. Meanwhile do cardio.

Secondly: IMMEDIATELY get a program. Don't F around with your own made up programs. I can kinda tell from your writing you are clueless. Just a few compounds is NOT enough at this stage!!!Get a gym program from the employees from the gym. If you have money to burn get a personal trainer who can lead you to a good start.

Yes you can deadlift BUT do NOT ego lift. Your PT will provide definite answers.

2.this one is essential. Especially the combination of cardio and lifting. But you HAVE to do cardio. My secret; running on the treadmill. Nobody likes to run. Youngsters think they have all the time in the world and older folks simply hate it. I am not a fan of walking on the treadmill ( I'll get back to that one in a sec). Start slow. 3 minutes run, 5 min walk, twice so approx 15 min. 4 speed or even less. Increase gradually .Combine this with the stationary bike .

next, try to walk more. In the weekends for example. Get a step counting app and set a goal ( I believe 30 minutes is approx 3000 steps.) Take the stairs its possible , take the bike to get groceries ect. Do pushups and jumping Jacks at home.

3. Eat less/ eat healthy
*Did you know that you're stomach wont signal it's full untill after 20 minutes.( and get an app that tracks your calories!! )So eat less and wait till after 20 minutes before you decide to refill your plate.

DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL!!!!

* put your portion on a scale. Less pasta rice and potatoes and more veggies. Use olive oil or even water to boil veggies and chicken . Sometimes do a bread only day or bread with soup. Shrink your stomach.

* ditch candy, sweets, cookies ,chips, snacks, fast-food ect. You know exactly what I mean. Replace with fruit.

* don't underestimate soda and sugar. If possible stay away from this.

* don't do cheat days. Reward yourself after 2 months or something like that. ( if you do fail it's okay, but be hard on yourself if you do and call the man in the mirror a fat undisciplined pig).

4.Kinda similar to what I just said. I recommend boxing or cycling as a hobby. Strictly for recreation purposes. Don't measure yourself to others (yet).


Do this for the entire year. Start tomorrow. Get used to this lifestyle because your body is ungratefull: if you quit for 2 months you're back to square one. Also keep in mind that training= pain. An injury illness personal matters that depress or demotivating are always lurking so get as many days in as possible.

Push yourself when your body and mond resist.

At your age you have NO time to wait . Be active EVERY DAY. Dedicate this entire year to losing weight!!

 

[plumber]

Here’s a question. I’m in my early forties. Really I need to lose fat, I’m overweight. I’ve always lived and breathed the idea of free weights, hitting compounds, deadlifts, squats. I’ve had one hernia from squats and one torn shoulder.

I’m not trying to win Mr Olympia and I don’t need PED really as my test is 600+ from multiple tests even 30+ bodyfat and ****ty sleep .my full panel of hormone was really good, SHBG etc all bang on normal and test has always been 600-700 from multiple tests.

question is, do I even need to keep deadlifting? Or squatting? I don’t want to be a bodybuilder, I just want to be fit and not skinny.

I love deadlifting. I’m thinking I could get by on a squat and a stiff leg dead, despite what they say I feel the real deadlift is the injury maker, stiff leg dead’s target hams more and are less shoulder and back involved.

I don’t think I’d get injured, might have to drop deads . Or do I go machines? I kind of look down on machines

Do the weights for tone and shape (looks and strength). For getting in shape and abbs, run sprints, that will take care of it together with diet. For diet just do what Gamisch tells.

About three or four months your problem is solved.

Start slow, for a couple weeks to get used to it. By week 3 or 4, run as hard as you can for 100 meter, then walk/jog the rest of the track and do it again. Do it until you can't. Do not do this every day, only every other day.

 

[Fruitbat]

You shouldn't go by just numbers, you gotta take symptoms into account. TRT is to optimize your hormones, not to have your levels super high.

If you wanna be fit and skinny, you gotta hit the gym, eat healthy, caloric deficit, good sleep, low stress, and consistency. There is no magic pill, not even on PEDs you'll be fit if you don't do the work.

I tested as I had low libido.

I took a 3 week holiday and removing myself from my very stressful job, after the first 3 days to unwind I spent the next 2 1/2 weeks basically like a teenager, I was getting spontaneous boners. So was/is stress related sadly

 

[Fruitbat]

My son tore his labrum in half at 19. Had surgery. He's made a full recovery (enough that he was medically cleared to stay on track into the military (no small feat).

Get a work up and imaging studies at the best shoulder physician you can find. You need an MRI or CT scan to know the extent of the injury. Short of that its a guessing game, and a total crap shoot as far as what will help and what will harm you.

Do that first. Meanwhile rest it. Cartilage, tendons & ligaments have relatively poor blood supply. That means those tissues do not get enough nutrients to heal quickly. It took a full year for my son to recover (at 19 doing PT religiously).

Get an eval and don't make it worse first. Once you know the extent/type of injury then you can make informed decisions about what to do next.

Cheers.

It’s been 7 months already and it stopped being a day to day issue 5 months ago but it’s always there, little twists, gym stuff. It’s like it’s healed 80% but just won’t do the last 20%