Harsh Truth: Women pursue the men that they want

[SW15]

Elliott Rodger was at his peak sex drive (early 20s), yet had a crippling social phobia preventing him from approaching a woman.

He did one approach lifetime, a conversation that lasted about 10-15 seconds. That's insufficient volume for getting laid.

He didn't feel "entitled" to get hotties just because his family was wealthy. For one, in addition to coming from a wealthy family, he also had good looks. Yet, being immersed in a college environment, he had to watch uglier dudes from less affluent families get laid. He had every right to be pissed off. Being pissed off at that is a natural reaction; not "entitlement"

Eliot Rodger was not a bad looking guy. The biggest problem with Eliot Rodger was his vibe (personality). His vibe was way off and no woman would be interested unless he had a Lamborghini. He was pissed that his BMW 328 wasn't getting him laid. A BMW 328 is a decent car for attracting women if other variables are working somewhat well. His height was also mediocre at 5'9". He would have gotten a fair amount of rejections solely on height alone in the 2010s on a college campus. He was also half White and half East Asian. That's a tough combination for a male. Half White, half East Asian women are far more desirable.

Eliot Rodger was part of an increasing wave of inceldom that had been increasing since the early 2000s.

 

[GoodMan32]

He did one approach lifetime, a conversation that lasted about 10-15 seconds. That's insufficient volume for getting laid.



Eliot Rodger was not a bad looking guy. The biggest problem with Eliot Rodger was his vibe (personality). His vibe was way off and no woman would be interested unless he had a Lamborghini. He was pissed that his BMW 328 wasn't getting him laid. A BMW 328 is a decent car for attracting women if other variables are working somewhat well. His height was also mediocre at 5'9". He would have gotten a fair amount of rejections solely on height alone in the 2010s on a college campus. He was also half White and half East Asian. That's a tough combination for a male. Half White, half East Asian women are far more desirable.

Eliot Rodger was part of an increasing wave of inceldom that had been increasing since the early 2000s.

Elliott's crippling social phobia was why he only ever did one approach.

Like me, Elliott wanted a society where the woman makes the move.

I'm the same height Elliott Rodger was, I was born in the same year as him, I had no car at all in college (in a community where being without a car, even as a college freshman, is extremely rare), yet I managed to amass a body count of 6 by the end of college.

Had Elliott Rodger posted Craigslist ads like I did, he likely could have gotten laid. The only variable I can think of that might have caused him to do worse than me on Craigslist is the fact he was half East Asian (and it showed in his appearance)

 

[Solomon]

Elliott Rodger was at his peak sex drive (early 20s), yet had a crippling social phobia preventing him from approaching a woman. I can relate, as I also have crippling social phobia (his social phobia was even more crippling than mine). Even though I managed to get laid, my early 20s were miserable (because I was at my peak sex drive, yet lacked the social grace to get consistent sex). The memory of how miserable my early 20s were makes me sympathize with Elliott's plight.

Until you've suffered from crippling social phobia, you're really in no position to judge Elliott.

He didn't feel "entitled" to get hotties just because his family was wealthy. For one, in addition to coming from a wealthy family, he also had good looks. Yet, being immersed in a college environment, he had to watch uglier dudes from less affluent families get laid. He had every right to be pissed off. Being pissed off at that is a natural reaction; not "entitlement"

Even though I'd never go on a rampage like Elliott Rodger did, I see a lot of myself in him.

In addition to my crippling social phobia, I also come from a wealthy family, have good looks, yet struggle with the ladies.

Furthermore, both Elliott and I were bullied in our youth for being small and socially awkward.

Lastly, Elliott was insecure about being racially mixed, just like me (Even though my ancestry comes entirely from Europe, I'm insecure about the fact I'm a mix of Northern Europe and Mediterranean Europe)

I'm not going to argue with you, the fact that you are defending Elliot Rodger is not what a healthy person would do.
I say this in earnest please seek help, no amount of game, no amount of money, no amount looksmaxxing is going to solve your problem

 

[Gamisch]

Most of the incels I know are mentalcels. They are not ugly.

Been saying this for years now.

A man can objectively be an 8, if he doesn't take action his experience in the dating game will be the same as a man whose a 1. Zero= zero. No difference. I know @SW15 Always says that good looks are mandatory and I guess that's somewhat true, but with zero amount of game a man will yield zero results.

At some point man will look like shyte because he stops working on himself.

Yes life is unfair.

 

[SW15]

I know @SW15 Always says that good looks are mandatory and I guess that's somewhat true, but with zero amount of game a man will yield zero results.

Looks are #1 but other variables matter.

Personality problems can offset looks, but it depends on how good the looks are. @Mike32ct has an idea of height and hair being important looks variables.

If a guy is 6'0"+ with a full head of hair and fit/muscular, he doesn't need much in the way of personality to get dates and to get laid. If he has personality problems, they might prevent him from retaining women but a guy who is top tier on looks should be able to get laid initially if the personality problems are not too severe.

Money can also offset looks and personality problems to some level. That's how Bill Gates got laid as CEO of Microsoft. Plenty of other men lead with their wallets.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Been saying this for years now.

A man can objectively be an 8, if he doesn't take action his experience in the dating game will be the same as a man whose a 1. Zero= zero. No difference. I know @SW15 Always says that good looks are mandatory and I guess that's somewhat true, but with zero amount of game a man will yield zero results.

Actually. If you are an 8. Women will force themselves on you. You can be a clueless dork but you’ll still get action. Women will seduce you.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Actually. If you are an 8. Women will force themselves on you. You can be a clueless dork but you’ll still get action. Women will seduce you.

I can tell you @GoodMan32 is not an 8. He is like a 3-4 right now. No offense.

 

[GoodMan32]

Been saying this for years now.

A man can objectively be an 8, if he doesn't take action his experience in the dating game will be the same as a man whose a 1. Zero= zero. No difference. I know @SW15 Always says that good looks are mandatory and I guess that's somewhat true, but with zero amount of game a man will yield zero results.

At some point man will look like shyte because he stops working on himself.

Yes life is unfair.

I'm a 6 and a half, yet have been approached by gals (somewhat rare, yet it's happened)

I've also had successes where neither of us officially made the move; it just sort of happened.

If a 6 and a half with all the baggage I have can get approached (as well as end up in scenarios where a success just sort of happens, with neither party making the official move), surely an 8 will have successes (I guess my point is: Even if the 8 takes no action, he still won't be a total failure. He'd get way more opportunities, of course, if he made approaches)

Looks are #1 but other variables matter.

Personality problems can offset looks, but it depends on how good the looks are. @Mike32ct has an idea of height and hair being important looks variables.

If a guy is 6'0"+ with a full head of hair and fit/muscular, he doesn't need much in the way of personality to get dates and to get laid. If he has personality problems, they might prevent him from retaining women but a guy who is top tier on looks should be able to get laid initially if the personality problems are not too severe.

Money can also offset looks and personality problems to some level. That's how Bill Gates got laid as CEO of Microsoft. Plenty of other men lead with their wallets.

Bill Gates's now ex-wife rejected him initially.

After a quick Google search, they met in 1987. He founded Microsoft in 1975. Even after 12 years of owning a software company, he still got initially rejected by a woman with only mediocre looks. Goes to show how much ASD can hold a man back, even if he's famous and wealthy.

 

[GoodMan32]

I can tell you @GoodMan32 is not an 8. He is like a 3-4 right now. No offense.

AI looks raters generally rate me around 6 and a half in recent images. When I used an image from my senior year of high school, the AI rater had me bordering on an 8.

Some might be skeptical of AI.

Some might be skeptical of looks-rating websites where live users rate you (because you run into the problem where straight men, rather than passing over the profiles of men, give a rating to men). So I recently found a looks-rating website where you can filter out your score to only reflect the average rating female users have given you.

On the live user looks-rating website I just mentioned, I've gotten 14 female ratings so far (with an average of rating of 6.4)

14 is a relatively small sample size, I know. Still, it's better than nothing (as far as collecting data on what the female population thinks of my looks). If I were really a 3-4, I really don't think I'd be averaging in the 6's after getting rated by 14 female users.

 

[SW15]

Bill Gates's now ex-wife rejected him initially.

After a quick Google search, they met in 1987. He founded Microsoft in 1975. Even after 12 years of owning a software company, he still got initially rejected by a woman with only mediocre looks. Goes to show how much ASD can hold a man back, even if he's famous and wealthy.

Melinda French in 1987 was a woman who was....

1. A careerist with an MBA
2. Mediocre looks

Additionally, for Bill Gates, women in the 1970s-1980s were not as harsh on judging men as they've been post 2000. He struggled in an easier overall mating environment.

 

[Clockwerk50]

AI looks raters generally rate me around 6 and a half in recent images. When I used an image from my senior year of high school, the AI rater had me bordering on an 8.

Some might be skeptical of AI.

Some might be skeptical of looks-rating websites where live users rate you (because you run into the problem where straight men, rather than passing over the profiles of men, give a rating to men). So I recently found a looks-rating website where you can filter out your score to only reflect the average rating female users have given you.

On the live user looks-rating website I just mentioned, I've gotten 14 female ratings so far (with an average of rating of 6.4)

14 is a relatively small sample size, I know. Still, it's better than nothing (as far as collecting data on what the female population thinks of my looks). If I were really a 3-4, I really don't think I'd be averaging in the 6's after getting rated by 14 female users.

PM your pictures to your most trusted members here and ask them to rate you. I think you can be a 7 at your peak but right now you are maybe 4-5 right now.

I just think you are leaving a lot on the table by not going to a commercial gym.

 

[Gamisch]

Actually. If you are an 8. Women will force themselves on you. You can be a clueless dork but you’ll still get action. Women will seduce you.

I have to respectfully disagree.( I think)

A man can be high rated but if he never positions himself in front of women...they won't come knocking on your door. I guess age is also a factor.

Perhaps my perception of what an eight is is skewed. I definitely know some good-looking incels that have zero game and go through dryspells that lasts years.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I have to respectfully disagree.( I think)

A man can be high rated but if he never positions himself in front of women...they won't come knocking on your door. I guess age is also a factor.

Perhaps my perception of what an eight is is skewed. I definitely know some good-looking incels that have zero game and go through dryspells that lasts years.

I’ve always said that exposure is perhaps the biggest key to success. If you stay home and watch p0rn & Netflix day & night, even if you are a 10, you’re getting 0.

 

[Gamisch]

I’ve always said that exposure is perhaps the biggest key to success. If you stay home and watch p0rn & Netflix day & night, even if you are a 10, you’re getting 0.

Yeah that's exactly what I mean 100.

 

[GoodMan32]

Melinda French in 1987 was a woman who was....

1. A careerist with an MBA
2. Mediocre looks

Additionally, for Bill Gates, women in the 1970s-1980s were not as harsh on judging men as they've been post 2000. He struggled in an easier overall mating environment.

Which further solidifies my point about what a hurdle ASD is (the fact he struggled even in an easier time period)

 

[SW15]

Which further solidifies my point about what a hurdle ASD is (the fact he struggled even in an easier time period)

This is an old article from 2005 indicating that Bill Gates has been suspected to have Asperger's Syndrome.

A good portion is the tech industry is Aspie and on the spectrum.

Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born?

If you could go back in time and stop the birth of Bill Gates, the world’s most famous nerd, would you?

www.nbcnews.com