Never make it too straight forward for her

[Bingo-Player]

Women love Drama and Emotional turmoil its why they love Romcom's and sitcoms

"will the guy get the girl " , will the girl get the guy " , love triangles , bad boys , affairs , secret romances yada yada all this stuff is like chick crack

Men aren't so much bothered by all of this .... we like to see fast logical outcomes rather than going around in mental gymnastics and thinking about how we are feeling about everything

We just want to get on with it which is why a lot of Pickup gurus preach about "direct approaches " just open her and get straight to the point

And depending on the woman this can work in the short term especially if you fit her physical criteria and depending on how much she wants a man at that point

But the problem is it doesn't really create any drama or tension for her ..... theres no emotions for her to dwell on its all based off physical and logical attraction which are mainly male dynamics

The alternative is push pull or ****y funny whatever you want to call it these days ......when mastered you basically draw her in with a mix of charisma and intrigue and then start pushing her away as though she is a silly little child

She then gets put in her feminine frame and has to start working for your attention which by default lets her start wondering about how she's feeling about you

I've used both strategies over the years the latter will create something that lasts a lot longer than the former

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A female friend of mine actually got stood up for a date a few weeks ago ..... guy couldn't have cared less

This sent her hamster wild and after the outrage had died down she actually wanted to go on another on with him

Guy's get ghosted and ignored because they're too straightforward and predictable.

Women will never ever admit to this but its what they respond too....... so do with it what you must .

 

[Solomon]

In some cases being straightforward will save you a lot of time and headache, you meet a girl at a bar for example or OLD the girl tells you she wants something serious. Instead of being straight up telling her you want something casual (with tact) or just want to have some fun. You say you want the same thing. Most men fall into a woman's frame in hoping of sniffing the puss, just to end up jumping through hoops i.e. taking the woman out on dates, texting her endlessly, giving her free attention. Most guys will be lucky to smash heck even more guys would be lucky to get her on a date.

I prefer to tell women in that scenario I"m looking for romantic companionship It sounds better than a booty call but also gives room for ambiguity. I have seen to many men fall into a woman's frame just in hopes of getting some, when there a re lot of women in 2025 that just want to have fun

 

[Clockwerk50]

The basic premise of suspense and anticipation is that it’s not only women who are drawn to the unknown—men are equally susceptible. Humans naturally lose their defenses when faced with uncertainty, whether it's a surprise, a plot twist, or an unexpected event. This emotional vulnerability creates an opening for deeper emotional engagement, making people more receptive to new experiences and connections. For example, a surprise dinner at a hidden restaurant or an unexpected weekend getaway can spark curiosity and excitement, keeping someone emotionally invested. This is why unpredictability and surprise are so powerful in attraction—they stir curiosity and keep people emotionally engaged, eager to discover what comes next.

Again, this is working under the assumption that the other person is attracted and desires you.

 

[jhonny9546]

Guy's get ghosted and ignored because they're too straightforward and predictable

Is this for all women?
Is this pov relative to STR and ONS?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Is this for all women?

Yes, for all the women in bingo parlour's experience

Is this pov relative to STR and ONS?

It's relative to all the other abbreviations too!

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

Everything written in this thread is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Yet another clueless indirect guy who spouts his miscommunications and misunderstandings about direct. It's idiotic guys and threads like this that spread misinformation and send guys down the wrong path.

I've been in this game for nearly 23 years and tried it all ...indirect and direct. My conclusion is that direct approach is FAR SUPERIOR, FAR MORE EFFECTIVE and gets BETTER RESULTS than indirect. It literally blows indirect out of the water. I spent my first 5 years in this game being indirect before switching to direct in 2007. I'd never go back to indirect, it's a total waste of time.

Everything you talk about in your post is just unnecessary subterfuge that will cause you to waste too much time, money and energy pursuing women, as well as leave the door open for manipulative women to play you.

And btw, a girl doesn't ghost you because you were 'too straightforward'. Nope. She ghosted you because SHE WASN'T INTERESTED. Being straightforward just revealed her lack of interest faster.

You indirect guys crack me up. What indirect guys essentially do is try to get laid by pretending they're not trying to get laid. Stupid!

Indirect guys have everything backwards when it comes to women. Their whole model of seduction is totally wrong.

You also over-complicate everything when it comes to women.....but this stuff isn't that complicated really, you just need to be direct, honest and upfront with women instead of doing all that indirect nonsense.

Indirect is for guys who don't have the balls to be direct. End of story. Or to quote the late, great Alan Roger Currie: 'There's no such thing as an indirect alpha male'.So true!

So ignore the advice in this thread (except for mine). Just be direct. Direct approach is the best way to navigate the dating market in 2024, cut through the bull**** and get the results. End of.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

So ignore the advice in this thread (except for mine). Just be direct. Direct approach is the best way to navigate the dating market in 2024, cut through the bull**** and get the results. End of

Are you okay? That sudden mid-sentence stop makes it look like you had an aneurysm while typing.

 

[Ricky]

i guess its hard to know for sure, if an indirect approach worked, would a direct approach.

It isn't hard to be more interesting than most of the guys out there and that's where I've though a direct approach was boring and lame. Maybe i just like to have fun with the process too.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

It isn't hard to be more interesting than most of the guys out there and that's where I've though a direct approach was boring and lame. Maybe i just like to have fun with the process too.

You have to love the process, because approaching in itself is a redundancy when you stop chasing tail.

 

[Bingo-Player]

So ignore the advice in this thread (except for mine). Just be direct. Direct approach is the best way to navigate the dating market in 2024, cut through the bull**** and get the results. End of.

As I said direct has its time and place but in doing so allows the woman total control over the outcome and I promise you for the vast majority of men out there that outcome is rarely going to be positive

If it was this forum wouldn't exist, end of story

Women like games , they like mystery , they like complicated

There are levels to dealing and navigating women you clearly only understand one of them and that's fine you do you son

 

[Gamisch]

Everything written in this thread is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Yet another clueless indirect guy who spouts his miscommunications and misunderstandings about direct. It's idiotic guys and threads like this that spread misinformation and send guys down the wrong path.

I've been in this game for nearly 23 years and tried it all ...indirect and direct. My conclusion is that direct approach is FAR SUPERIOR, FAR MORE EFFECTIVE and gets BETTER RESULTS than indirect. It literally blows indirect out of the water. I spent my first 5 years in this game being indirect before switching to direct in 2007. I'd never go back to indirect, it's a total waste of time.

Everything you talk about in your post is just unnecessary subterfuge that will cause you to waste too much time, money and energy pursuing women, as well as leave the door open for manipulative women to play you.

And btw, a girl doesn't ghost you because you were 'too straightforward'. Nope. She ghosted you because SHE WASN'T INTERESTED. Being straightforward just revealed her lack of interest faster.

You indirect guys crack me up. What indirect guys essentially do is try to get laid by pretending they're not trying to get laid. Stupid!

Indirect guys have everything backwards when it comes to women. Their whole model of seduction is totally wrong.

You also over-complicate everything when it comes to women.....but this stuff isn't that complicated really, you just need to be direct, honest and upfront with women instead of doing all that indirect nonsense.

Indirect is for guys who don't have the balls to be direct. End of story. Or to quote the late, great Alan Roger Currie: 'There's no such thing as an indirect alpha male'.So true!

So ignore the advice in this thread (except for mine). Just be direct. Direct approach is the best way to navigate the dating market in 2024, cut through the bull**** and get the results. End of.

I see where you coming from.

I think OP means that at times you gotta be able to push pull. The question is WHAT STAGE. I just made the mistake of getting wat too comfortable with a woman after sleeping with her, thinking she was already "ballz deep" in my pocket.

But also definitely recognize your statement, where a man tries to mimic female behaviour by playing uninterested just to spark something. It's a difficult topic and one that deserves more attention, but somehow most members wanna respond en masse to threads about dude who thinks he is gay or same dude's fetish for 60 y.o women.

Perhaps it shows how bad men at game nowadays, and they don't even wanna chime in on threads that are actually beneficiary to their overall day to day game.

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

As I said direct has its time and place but in doing so allows the woman total control over the outcome

There is NO seduction method or approach, whether direct or indirect, that allows a guy to have total control of the outcome.

Indirect doesn't give a guy more control of the outcome than direct. A lot of indirect guys kid themselves into believing that they can control the outcome of their approaches and interactions with women by using a bunch of manipulative seduction techniques, but it's a myth and pure delusion.

Reality is....in any approach or interaction with a woman, all a guy has control over is his side of the interaction, I.e how he approaches her and then how he responds to what she says and does after that. How a woman responds to him is largely out of his control. Sure, he can influence the outcome by optimising his approach in terms of the verbal and non-verbal aspects and how he responds to the woman's '**** tests' and other resistance etc....but a guy can never ever 100% control the outcome of an approach or override a woman's free will, no matter how good he believes his 'game' is, and no matter whether he's direct or indirect.

The fact is, some women will be interested in a guy, some won't. Some women will be receptive to a guy's approach, some won't Some women will be attracted to a guy, some won't. It doesn't matter whether a guy is direct or indirect, these facts won't change. Given that, it's therefore better to just be direct because with direct you find out faster which girls are interested in you vs those who aren't.

If anything, being direct gives a guy more control over the outcome than indirect because a direct guy is being clear about what he wants from a woman. When you're clear about what you want, you leave no doubt in a woman's mind what you want. When you're vague and ambiguous with a woman, i.e you're indirect, you leave doubt in her mind about what you want and it just leaves confusion in her mind. You can't get what you want if you don't communicate directly what you want.

and I promise you for the vast majority of men out there that outcome is rarely going to be positive

There is no seduction method that can guarantee a positive outcome 100% of the time, whether direct or indirect. But guys need to be able to approach women and learn to embrace and gracefully accept rejection on the way to the successes with women.

If it was this forum wouldn't exist, end of story

The main reason why guys on this forum are having problems with women is because they're indirect with women. Most, if not all, of their problems and challenges with women would be solved if they adopted the direct approach. The same can be said for pretty much any guy in society who's having problems with women.

Women like games , they like complicated

No they don't. That's total nonsense. Playing games and making things 'complicated' is for immature little boys and is not very effective.

The more games a guy plays with women, the more games they will play with him.

The more 'complicated' a guy makes things with women, they more 'complicated' they will make things with him.

The solution to all that is for a guy to be direct with women.

Women want a guy who knows clearly what he wants and confidently goes after it....which means dropping the silly games and being direct.

There are levels to dealing and navigating women you clearly only understand one of them and that's fine you do you son

Oh believe me, I understand ALL levels of dealing with women having personally tried and tested out everything from indirect to ultra direct. My conclusion is that the direct approach is the highest level of dealing with women. Being indirect is a much lower level of ability than direct. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly has a lot to learn about women.

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

I see where you coming from.

I think OP means that at times you gotta be able to push pull. The question is WHAT STAGE. I just made the mistake of getting wat too comfortable with a woman after sleeping with her, thinking she was already "ballz deep" in my pocket.

But also definitely recognize your statement, where a man tries to mimic female behaviour by playing uninterested just to spark something.

I don't believe it's beneficial to pretend to be interested in a girl just to spark insecurity in her and increase her interest level. That's too manipulative for my taste. I think after a certain amount of time in this game, a guy grows tired of these artificial manipulative tactics and can just relax and be authentic and direct with women. That's the point I've reached, and it feels much better and is more liberating.

I don't mean that a guy should be at a woman's beck and call at all times or that he should always be available to her any time she wants. I still believe a guy should have a life outside of the women he's pursuing and he should control the frame and make her do things on his terms. He can do that while being direct. I just don't believe in doing this artificially by using manipulative tactics like 'push-pull' etc.

 

[Bingo-Player]

There is NO seduction method or approach, whether direct or indirect, that allows a guy to have total control of the outcome.

Indirect doesn't give a guy more control of the outcome than direct. A lot of indirect guys kid themselves into believing that they can control the outcome of their approaches and interactions with women by using a bunch of manipulative seduction techniques, but it's a myth and pure delusion.

The main reason why guys on this forum are having problems with women is because they're indirect with women. Most, if not all, of their problems and challenges with women would be solved if they adopted the direct approach. The same can be said for pretty much any guy in society who's having problems with women.

No they don't. That's total nonsense. Playing games and making things 'complicated' is for immature little boys and is not very effective.

You've clearly spent a lot of time on that ramble but look if charging around like a bull in china shop works for you great carry on

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

You've clearly spent a lot of time on that ramble but look if charging around like a bull in china shop works for you great carry on

Being direct is not synonymous with 'charging around like a bull in a China shop'. Not at all. That's a misconception, a bit like the misconception that Mode One is simply walking up to girls and blurting out 'I want to fvck you', when it isn't. There's a whole lot more to it than that.

But the direct approach isn't for every guy I suppose.

 

[Clockwerk50]

The main reason why guys on this forum are having problems with women is because they're indirect with women. Most, if not all, of their problems and challenges with women would be solved if they adopted the direct approach. The same can be said for pretty much any guy in society who's having problems with women.

People in this forum do not have problems with women. 90% of the people that post here are gurus bro.

 

[Solomon]

I have a buddy who goes Direct all the time he primarily does it on OLD and it works
He tells the women straight up he wants to bang or have some casual fun
Does he lose out on a lot of women? you betcha he does but he also hasn't taken a woman out on a date in 5 years!
How many of us have taken a woman on a date (even a low-cost one) In hopes of banging her just to end up walking home with our stick in our hand? (Pause)

Now I do think my buddy is an anomaly as he is better looking than average I honestly don't see this work for OLD for an average guy but direct can cut through the B.S. That's why I like it and prefer to do so in person

 

[Bingo-Player]

I have a buddy who goes Direct all the time he primarily does it on OLD and it works
He tells the women straight up he wants to bang or have some casual fun
Does he lose out on a lot of women? you betcha he does but he also hasn't taken a woman out on a date in 5 years!
How many of us have taken a woman on a date (even a low-cost one) In hopes of banging her just to end up walking home with our stick in our hand? (Pause)

Now I do think my buddy is an anomaly as he is better looking than average I honestly don't see this work for OLD for an average guy but direct can cut through the B.S. That's why I like it and prefer to do so in person

Yea can work but only a tiny percentage of women will respond to it

the " you're hot I wanna smash" is not going to do much for a vast majority of women you meet

Majority of women are slow burners and you need to know what buttons to push to dial up the temp

 

[SW15]

Does he lose out on a lot of women? you betcha he does but he also hasn't taken a woman out on a date in 5 years!

If a man can get laid regularly without going on dates, then it's likely worth the women he loses by being direct.

How many of us have taken a woman on a date (even a low-cost one) In hopes of banging her just to end up walking home with our stick in our hand? (Pause)

One of the more frustrating dating experiences for men is the "1-2 date, no sex, no extended relationship" type interaction. It doesn't matter whether those 1-2 dates were set up from a tech method (swipe app or social media DM) or an in-person approach.

If direct can cut through the BS and reduce those unpleasant interactions, then it has helped.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Are you okay? That sudden mid-sentence stop makes it look like you had an aneurysm while typing.

Oh, well in that case, @Bingo-Player must have been having a stroke because dude typed about 20 paragraphs and I only see one period.