Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere! Life When Your Blue Pill Social Circle Starts Having Babies

[SW15]

Do you think perhaps these men fell for the goofy notion that marriage and fatherhood was going to be about perpetual happiness and other fuzzy-wuzzy feelings, similar to women expecting their husbands to be court jesters providing constant laughs and thrills?

That's a great question. I think some of them might have felt that way. I also think some of them had children mainly because their wives wanted it more than they did.

 

[Manure Spherian]

That's a great question. I think some of them might have felt that way. I also think some of them had children mainly because their wives wanted it more than they did.

For the men who tell you they’re “unhappy,” what are their reasons?

 

[SW15]

For the men who tell you they’re “unhappy,” what are their reasons?

Sex frequency is the number #1 complaint. Lack of personal freedom is also mentioned too.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Lack of personal freedom is also mentioned too.

I had a feeling this was one of them. Did they actually believe child raising and being a husband and son-in-law don’t involve giving up some freedom? Hence I believe such men set up their own misery. They were either ignorant or don’t want accept what should be obvious.

 

[SW15]

I had a feeling this was one of them. Did they actually believe taking child raising and being a husband and son-in-law don’t involve giving up some freedom? Hence I believe such men set up their own misery. They were either ignorant or don’t want accept what should be obvious.

I'm not sure what they actually believed. A lot of men I mention in this thread are buried so deep in their lifestyle of having a single family house, a wife, a child/children, and 1+ dogs that they don't interact with me that much. With some of the guys, I'm lucky to get a delayed text message response. Some will occasionally see me in person and some will occasionally get on a phone call with me too. With all of these men, I have less contact with them than the time before their marriages and babies.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I'm not sure what they actually believed. A lot of men I mention in this thread are buried so deep in their lifestyle of having a single family house, a wife, a child/children, and 1+ dogs that they don't interact with me that much. With some of the guys, I'm lucky to get a delayed text message response. Some will occasionally see me in person and some will occasionally get on a phone call with me too. With all of these men, I have less contact with them than the time before their marriages and babies.

When you start having a family, you don't hang out with bachelors anymore. That's the 'Party Boi' lifestyle. Not compatible with 'I think I have to work overtime for these dentist bills' lifestyle. Some people mature, some people don't.

And someone has to raise these 19-22 year olds you want to bang so badly.

 

[SW15]

When you start having a family, you don't hang out with bachelors anymore.

I've been losing numerous friends that way. I'm on good enough terms with these people but we don't see each other as much as in the past.

I haven't found as many new bachelor friends in recent years.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I haven't found as many new bachelor friends in recent years.

That's because most guys don't keep to that lifestyle once they're past thirty. They mature into responsible adults who don't spend their evenings trawling bars for young pvssy.

 

[SW15]

That's because most guys don't keep to that lifestyle once they're past thirty. They mature into responsible adults who don't spend their evenings trawling bars for young pvssy.

I have difficulty finding people to accompany me to bars for approach sessions when I need to meet new women. I would like to have more wingman options for this. I have done some solo trips to bars as a result but would prefer a wingman.

Non-bar approaching is a good option for those who don't have wingmen for the bars. I've done a fair amount of non-bar approaching.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I have difficulty finding people to accompany me to bars for approach sessions when I need to meet new women. I would like to have more wingman options for this. I have done some solo trips to bars as a result but would prefer a wingman.

Non-bar approaching is a good option for those who don't have wingmen for the bars. I've done a fair amount of non-bar approaching.

Maybe you need to adjust your approach. Expecting to find wingman your age will probably be difficult.

 

[GoodMan32]

Yeah, I know what you mean.

When you're childless/unmarried (and in my case, no girlfriend either) past the age of 30, it begins to raise questions of what's "wrong" with you.

If I were childless, but at least had a girlfriend/wife, the stigma might not be as severe.

In any case, since I don't want kids anyway, I don't get jealous at pregnancy announcements.

Like you, I don't fit into the mold, nor do I want to. It just pisses me off that society thinks there's something off about us.

 

[SW15]

When you're childless/unmarried (and in my case, no girlfriend either) past the age of 30, it begins to raise questions of what's "wrong" with you.

Like you, I don't fit into the mold, nor do I want to. It just pisses me off that society thinks there's something off about us.

There's a lot of media hype about childless Millennials. Being a childless older Millennial 35-43 (birth years 1981-1989) is supposed to be more of a normal thing right now.

I feel little stigma in my day-to-day life about being a childless Millennial in the older part of the generation.

My co-workers at various jobs since turning 30 have barely asked about my personal life and I have not shared it. At a surface level, they know I'm not married (no wedding ring) and I have mentioned childlessness at work. Almost no one has ever asked about my dating life.

I have fallen out of favor to some extent with my former primary social circle (who this thread primarily discusses) due to my never married and childless status.

Had I been married, I would have likely been divorced by now.

If I were childless, but at least had a girlfriend/wife, the stigma might not be as severe.

I have been getting laid somewhat regularly since turning 30. Many seducers like me having droughts at times but I have managed to get laid.

Having more steady girlfriends/a wife and being childless is perceived differently than having less steady girlfriends or having no girlfriends.

 

[GoodMan32]

There's a lot of media hype about childless Millennials. Being a childless older Millennial 35-43 (birth years 1981-1989) is supposed to be more of a normal thing right now.

I feel little stigma in my day-to-day life about being a childless Millennial in the older part of the generation.

My co-workers at various jobs since turning 30 have barely asked about my personal life and I have not shared it. At a surface level, they know I'm not married (no wedding ring) and I have mentioned childlessness at work. Almost no one has ever asked about my dating life.

I have fallen out of favor to some extent with my former primary social circle (who this thread primarily discusses) due to my never married and childless status.

Had I been married, I would have likely been divorced by now.



I have been getting laid somewhat regularly since turning 30. Many seducers like me having droughts at times but I have managed to get laid.

Having more steady girlfriends/a wife and being childless is perceived differently than having less steady girlfriends or having no girlfriends.

You're lucky in the sense you don't get very many personal questions at work (from the sounds of it). Many coworkers I've worked with have acted like it's their civil right to know every little detail about me.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

You're lucky in the sense you don't get very many personal questions at work (from the sounds of it). Many coworkers I've worked with have acted like it's their civil right to know every little detail about me.

That's because they worry about you. Nobody worries about him.

 

[SW15]

You're lucky in the sense you don't get very many personal questions at work (from the sounds of it).

In considering my co-workers at jobs since I've turned 30, most were blue pilled married males and married females.

The vast majority of my male co-workers seemed like typically blue pill ideology towards relationships guys. The majority of male co-workers across jobs were in longer term marriages. I don't think having a blue pill ideology was as much of a bigger deal for my older co-workers, mainly Boomer and earlier Gen X co-workers.

I suspected one unmarried male co-worker in a past job was incel/borderline incel but I have no idea if what I suspected was true.

The married guys tended to be longer term married with children in K-12. Their marriages seemed stale whenever I overheard them talking about their personal lives. This is all typical for white collar males.

The majority of my female co-workers have been married women with children under 18. There have been some single mom co-workers. There were some childless, unmarried female co-workers. Most of them were in LTRs that started before I started that job.

I have done a good job over the years of keeping my professional and personal lives separate.

 

[Manure Spherian]

what's "wrong" with you.

In a sense this is a reasonable question.

 

[Manure Spherian]

In considering my co-workers at jobs since I've turned 30, most were blue pilled married males and married females.

The vast majority of my male co-workers seemed like typically blue pill ideology towards relationships guys. The majority of male co-workers across jobs were in longer term marriages. I don't think having a blue pill ideology was as much of a bigger deal for my older co-workers, mainly Boomer and earlier Gen X co-workers.

I suspected one unmarried male co-worker in a past job was incel/borderline incel but I have no idea if what I suspected was true.

The married guys tended to be longer term married with children in K-12. Their marriages seemed stale whenever I overheard them talking about their personal lives. This is all typical for white collar males.

The majority of my female co-workers have been married women with children under 18. There have been some single mom co-workers. There were some childless, unmarried female co-workers. Most of them were in LTRs that started before I started that job.

I have done a good job over the years of keeping my professional and personal lives separate.

What is your long-term aim with women?

 

[SW15]

What is your long-term aim with women?

I would like a steady stream of more monogamous and committed relationships generally lasting 3-5 years or less.

I do not plan to get married at this point.

Having children is not a priority, especially since I expect the relationships to end.

Over the years, I have alternated between Paths 3 and 6 from this list. Plate spinning from Path 3 with some monogamous relationships from Path 6 mixed in.

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[Manure Spherian]

I would like a steady stream of more monogamous and committed relationships generally lasting 3-5 years or less.

Are you going to end them even if they’re fine after three to five years?

 

[SW15]

Are you going to end them even if they’re fine after three to five years?

It's a good question.

If they are fine after 3-5 years, I would remain in them. I've long proposed the idea that I think relationships have a shelf life of goodness of about 5 years. I don't believe in leaving a relationship at the 5 year point just because it has been 5 years. I would be likely to acknowledge that I would be on borrowed time after 5 years.