Too much pointless complaining from men these days

[Manure Spherian]

The Red Pill Sold out long ago, just go on youtube the number Redpilll channel is an ugly 4 with Red Hair who is a woman. It's all a grift now. The RP ain't been the same since Roosh V left

Pearl’s content can be summed up as 1) women such, and 2) only men with extreme leverage should marry; ordinary men shouldn’t. Just repeat that for hours and that’s her content. That’s not helpful.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The Red Pill Sold out long ago, just go on youtube the number Redpilll channel is an ugly 4 with Red Hair who is a woman. It's all a grift now. The RP ain't been the same since Roosh V left

Did anyone ever take Roosh especially seriously?

 

[BaronOfHair]

Pearl’s content can be summed up as 1) women such, and 2) only men with extreme leverage should marry; ordinary men shouldn’t. Just repeat that for hours and that’s her content. That’s not helpful.

Women who identify as Red Pilled(Female MRAs included)are cut from the same mold as Woke White people, who believe they're doing God's work, by ruminating on their alleged "Privilege" and the evils of "Structural Racism"

These are the sort of folk who have an instantaneous meltdown, the minute an actual Non-White or guy expresses thoughts which run contrary to The Catechisms Of Wokeness,.or the tenets of Red Pill Theology

 

[Solomon]

Did anyone ever take Roosh especially seriously?

People took Roosh seriously enough that he could write books/blogs and made a living of that for over a decade, Roosh blog from 2009-2012 had far more value than Pearl or any other RP creator that's on youtube right now, it's the same shyt over and over again which is not helping young men to win with women but rather to avoid them

 

[Manure Spherian]

Women who identify as Red Pilled(Female MRAs included)are cut from the same mold as Woke White people, who believe they're doing God's work, by ruminating on their alleged "Privilege" and the evils of "Structural Racism"

These are the sort of folk who have an instantaneous meltdown, the minute an actual Non-White or guy expresses thoughts which run contrary to The Catechisms Of Wokeness,.or the tenets of Red Pill Theology

Much of what she says about female anti-social behavior and divorce law is true. But my guy sense tells me she is yet another red piller who seeks to extinct the middle 60-percent of men.

 

[BaronOfHair]

People took Roosh seriously enough that he could write books/blogs and made a living of that for over a decade, Roosh blog from 2009-2012 had far more value than Pearl or any other RP creator that's on youtube right now, it's the same shyt over and over again which is not helping young men to win with women but rather to avoid them

Neil F Scott(Who coined the term Nice Guy Syndrome), Ross Jefferies, Asa Baber, Robert Glover, Marc Rudov, David DeAngelo, Bobby Rio, Scott McKay, and s-it tons of folks were discussing these subjects, eons before anyone started mistaking a popcorn movie from The 90s for reality

 

[BaronOfHair]

Much of what she says about female anti-social behavior and divorce law is true. But my guy sense tells me she is yet another red piller who seeks to extinct the middle 60-percent of men.

In the same way much of what the male feminist says about the risk of sexual assault for women increasing during drunken frat parties is true, sure. None of this is remotely original though, and the efforts we've been engaged since '16 to put an academic veneer over this stuff has ultimately proven to be a regression in our thinking

In the not too distant past, we approached topics like these by saying "These are the perils, boys and girls, so exercise caution. Also, get off The X Box and Instagram, and join the fight to make shared parenting in the event of divorce the law of the land, and end The Drug War... The cops not being taxed with busting citizens for snorting coke in the privacy of their own living rooms = The criminal justice system being freed up to investigate actual crimes, like rape and murder"

Today though, our thinking around these topics goes something like this:

"Divorce and family court can be hazardous places for men, and boozy frat parties can end in chicks receiving a less than consensual gang bang, and this is all the result of Gynocentrism/Patriarchy... We need to rebuild civilization from the ground up, and replace the irredeemably evil world we currently inhabit with a Utopia, where there's 0 risk of getting an unfair settlement in divorce/family court, and no one EVER gets raped at frat party"

 

[Solomon]

Neil F Scott(Who coined the term Nice Guy Syndrome), Ross Jefferies, Asa Baber, Robert Glover, Marc Rudov, David DeAngelo, Bobby Rio, Scott McKay, and s-it tons of folks were discussing these subjects, eons before anyone started mistaking a popcorn movie from The 90s for reality

What does that have to do with my argument? my point still stands Pearl and the RP sucks in 2024

 

[BaronOfHair]

What does that have to do with my argument? my point still stands Pearl and the RP sucks in 2024

Didn't think we were arguing. In any case, I'm simply pointing out that so-called "Red Pill Knowledge and Philosophy" isn't anything new. And I'm not convinced that The Manosphere(Roosh included)'s insistence on mimicking The Woke Left, by speaking exclusively in jargon and thinking in deliberately vague, amorphous concepts, has been especially beneficial

 

[BaronOfHair]

I understand the frustration with dating because it can be challenging and is meant to be a journey filled with highs and lows. What is annoying, however, is hearing men complain about trivial matters that are unlikely to change or could easily be replaced with other concerns, and it seems to be getting worse. At the end of the day, we are all pursuing the same women, whether it's at a university, bar, online dating platform, grocery store, mall, or elsewhere—and someone is fvcking them. If you genuinely believe that altering the world to the extent that it negatively affects civil rights, civil liberties, life expectancy, overall health, national and international stability, and peace is the solution to your female problems, then there's a serious problem at hand. You are not struggling because of 'Chad & Tyrone,' Instagram, Tinder, Joe Biden, Feminism, TikTok, or any other external factors. You are struggling because your attitude and demeanor is akin to fresh dog shvt in the summer sun. My advice? Take a six-month hiatus from dating and any content related to the 'manosphere' on the internet to recalibrate your mindset.

All of us moderns can benefit from reading Gaitskill's "On Not Being A Victim", especially the following portion:

https://triggeralert.blogspot.com/2012/01/on-not-being-victim.html?m=1

Particularly these words:

"When I was in my late teens and early twenties, I could not bear to watch movies or read books that I considered demeaning to women in any way; I evaluated everything I saw or read in terms of whether it expressed a "positive image" of women. I was a very PC feminist before the term existed, and, by the measure of my current understanding, my critical rigidity followed from my inability to be responsible for my own feelings. In this context, being responsible would have meant that I let myself feel whatever discomfort, indignation, or disgust I experienced without allowing those feelings to determine my entire reaction to a given piece of work. In other words, it would have meant dealing with my feelings and what had caused them, rather than expecting the outside world to assuage them. I could have chosen not to see the world through the lens of my personal unhappiness and yet maintained a kind of respect for my unhappiness. For example, I could have decided to avoid certain films or books because of my feelings without blaming the film or book for making me feel the way I did.

I have changed a lot from the PC teenager who walked out of movies that portrayed women in a demeaning light. As I've grown older, I've become more confident of myself and my ability to determine what happens to me, and, as a result, those images no longer have such a strong emotional charge. I don't believe they will affect my life in any practical sense unless I allow them to do so"

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

it won't surprise me if this continues to get worse

 

[BaronOfHair]

it won't surprise me if this continues to get worse

There will always be a cohort of the human race who encounters words such as these:

"During the late 2010s, I, like many men in The Post-Industrial World, became deeply immersed in what would eventually become known as The Manosphere and Red Pill Philosophy. My adoption of this worldview led to my becoming nearly incapicated by knee-jerk rage and(eventually)despair, each time I stumbled across a movie, book, article, or TV series featuring scenes that I found disparging towards men in any way; I evaluated everything I saw or read in terms of whether it expressed a "complimentary image" of men. For a time, I personified Cathy Young's observation of what was then known as Masculism, in an article she penned for Reason Magazine back in 1994: " At its worst, masculism can sound like the ne plus ultra of political correctness" and, by the measure of my current understanding, my critical rigidity followed from my inability to be responsible for my own emotions.
By being responsible for my own emotions, I mean that I would have let myself experience discomfort, indignation, and disgust WITHOUT allowing those feelings to determine my entire
reaction to a given piece of work. In other words, it would have meant dealing with my emotional distress and the thoughts and beliefs which generated them, rather than expecting the outside world to constantly pamper me"



And reflexively starts screeching "You're just telling guys to Man Up and take The System's abuse, instead of calling for a radically reconfigured society!!!"

Trying to converse rationally, with those who are convinced that emotionalism is an advanced way of being, makes less sense than walking through South Central LA at 2 AM with your life savings in your pocket, then expecting to make it to 2:15 without having your gut filled with.38 Special AND being deprived of your pennies

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

We’re seeing the situation described in that quote play out here on the forum with certain members who have created drama and crises in their lives because they took the red pill as gospel as opposed to guidelines and a psychological experiment. I was even one that briefly went off the deep end with the red pill ideology. As time went on I tempered my views. Good catch Baron.

There will always be a cohort of the human race who encounters words such as these:

"During the late 2010s, I, like many men in The Post-Industrial World, became deeply immersed in what would eventually become known as The Manosphere and Red Pill Philosophy. My adoption of this worldview led to my becoming nearly incapicated by knee-jerk rage and(eventually)despair, each time I stumbled across a movie, book, article, or TV series featuring scenes that I found disparging towards men in any way; I evaluated everything I saw or read in terms of whether it expressed a "complimentary image" of men. For a time, I personified Cathy Young's observation of what was then known as Masculism, in an article she penned for Reason Magazine back in 1994: " At its worst, masculism can sound like the ne plus ultra of political correctness" and, by the measure of my current understanding, my critical rigidity followed from my inability to be responsible for my own emotions.
By being responsible for my own emotions, I mean that I would have let myself experience discomfort, indignation, and disgust WITHOUT allowing those feelings to determine my entire
reaction to a given piece of work. In other words, it would have meant dealing with my emotional distress and the thoughts and beliefs which generated them, rather than expecting the outside world to constantly pamper me"



And reflexively starts screeching "You're just telling guys to Man Up and take The System's abuse, instead of calling for a radically reconfigured society!!!"

Trying to converse rationally, with those who are convinced that emotionalism is an advanced way of being, makes less sense than walking through South Central LA at 2 AM with your life savings in your pocket, then expecting to make it to 2:15 without having your gut filled with.38 Special AND being deprived of your pennies

 

[BaronOfHair]

"I was even one that briefly went off the deep end with the red pill ideology"

You and me both I'm continually astounded, each time I encounter a card-carrying Red Piller who swears that the belief system he(sometimes she, in the case of the failed artists and avowed a-sclowns over at Honey Badger Radio, Janice Fiamengo, Pearl, etc) operates under doesn't share several million similarities with PC/Wokeness, even though everything Gaitskill describes in that essay is just as applicable to them as it these blockheads

 

[BillyPilgrim]

^ 69 words in that galactically-long last sentence. Not the worst word count though.

Pierce, don't encourage him.

 

[BaronOfHair]

^ 69 words in that galactically-long last sentence. Not the worst word count though.

Pierce, don't encourage him.

In hindsight, my putting a . between "PC/Wokeness" and "even" would of made for easier reading, this is true. Good eye, Pilgrim

 

[BaronOfHair]

We’re seeing the situation described in that quote play out here on the forum with certain members who have created drama and crises in their lives because they took the red pill as gospel as opposed to guidelines and a psychological experiment. I was even one that briefly went off the deep end with the red pill ideology. As time went on I tempered my views. Good catch Baron.

Ironically enough, much of what Fiamengo(Herself a staunch groupie of one of Red Pill Theology's most prominent exponents: Paul Elam)notes about Andrea Dworkin is no less true of quite a few card-carrying Red Pillers

 

[BaronOfHair]

Adapt as in do whatever women want men to do?

Another way to think about this:

Just as Progressivism has conned many gays into believing that they're "practicing liberation" by perpetuating all the unsavory stereotypes about homosexuals

I'm gay and I wouldn't blame Doug Ford for avoiding Toronto's Pride parade

Opinion: With Pride now so closely associated with radical anti-police NDP activists, any conservative who attends is walking into a hornets' nest

nationalpost.com

Entirely too many Ayatollahs Of Red Pill Theology like this clown

Have hoodwinked and bamboozled many men into believing that they're fomenting revolution, by looking, speaking, and acting like a basement dwelling keyboard warrior

Deliberate degeneracy like this has been as poisonous to modern men as wanton sleaze has been to gays

 

[Manure Spherian]

Deliberate degeneracy like this has been as poisonous to modern men as wanton sleaze has been to gays

How are Pearl and Paul Elam, two people who want family-court and marriage reform, degenerate? I’m a long-time listener of Paul Elam. I’m not fond of Pearl.

Speaking about such reforms and correcting the sexual market is sleazy?! Are you aware how family court, the sexual market in its current form, and misandry have affected (in some cases destroyed) men’s lives?

Do you know what I meant by my post?

 

[BaronOfHair]

How are Pearl and Paul Elam, two people who want family-court and marriage reform, degenerate? I’m a long-time listener of Paul Elam. I’m not fond of Pearl.

Speaking about such reforms and correcting the sexual market is sleazy?! Are you aware how family court, the sexual market in its current form, and misandry have affected (in some cases destroyed) men’s lives?

Elam(A failed drug counselor, who achieved 15 minutes of fame by recycling Tom Leykis's act, minus the fun. He also plagiarized large sections of Rollo Tommasi, Milo Yiannopolous, and s-itloads of other folks's work, then promptly slandered many of these same folks he plagiarized. Tommassi included)opposes making shared parenting in the event of divorce the law of the land, and favors a return to what existed prior to no fault divorce, even though this would keep many men trapped in marriages to psycho b-tches. His rationale? We need to resurrect a vision of the nuclear family that never existed anywhere, outside of 50s sitcoms like Leave It To Beaver

It's sleazy, dishonorable, and unforgivable for The Grand Ayatollah Of Red Pill Theology(PA bears a remarkable resemblance to Khomeni. If Khomeni were a morbidly obese 2 month old)to encourage men to drop out of society, while he himself enjoys an upper middle class existence, and has been in what's effectively a common law marriage for nearly 20 years

Elam preaching the virtues of MGTOW, while denigrating the rest of us mere mortals for desiring women of our own and pristine homes in pleasant neighborhoods, is no less nauseating than DiCaprio and Thunberg denouncing the rest of us "civilians" for flying to Tucson once a year to visit our 90 year old parents, while they're jetting across The Atlantic every f-cking week, in the process leaving a larger carbon footprint than the other 98% of the human race

I could go on, but I believe you get my point