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is a 39 year old divorced man with three young kids a red flag?
That depends on the reason for divorce. I have two divorced friends who found second wives. Although my state is a no-fault divorce state, these men divorced their wives for faults. I consider them good men. Hence they’re my friends.

I do not know you. Maybe you are a great guy who divorced because of a serious transgression. And that can be explained to a woman.

I don’t consider every divorced woman a red flag either. One should ask the explanation for why there was divorce. If she was divorced because she “got bored,” “grew apart,” “was not happy,” or whatever, then I’d say, “No, thanks.”

I’m black and white with the subject of women.
 

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mid 20’s to 33, my understanding from her explaining how she handled her sexual progression (you saw the post about the assault I presume) is that she ramped up over time, she believed it wasn’t fair for her to punish herself in enjoying sex
She wanted to ride the carousel during Rollo´s "Party Years". But now that she has reached Rollo´s "Epiphany Phase" she wants exclusivity. How f0cking convenient for her.


I estimate her number is around 15.
So what does that mean, that she’s promiscuous? Yes
She should be congruent with those desicions and not expect exclusivity.


I also think know she is an alpha widow.
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She wanted to ride the carousel during Rollo´s "Party Years". But now that she has reached Rollo´s "Epiphany Phase" she wants exclusivity. How f0cking convenient for her.



She should be congruent with those desicions and not expect exclusivity.



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I understand and I’m not in disagreement.

39 years old and not getting younger, I’m not a spring chicken anymore.

I understand a lot of guys here think that monogamy is a bad move, I wonder what those guys would say at age 50.
 

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It’s a red flag.

is a 39 year old divorced man with three young kids a red flag? Other than working at a great job (and physically being pretty good looking) am I really that much of a catch? Do I seem from this thread like I have any sort of compass? — My boy hit me with this last night. He told me to go hang out in the bathroom in front of the mirror.
Please don’t be hard on yourself like this. Women will rope you in and then spit you out the other side. Please don’t feel that you’re damaged man. You’re a great man. It’s obvious. Women don’t have any ****ing loyalty anymore. They want to be both the man and the woman…the universe does have some dynamics. Hang in there bro.
 

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That depends on the reason for divorce. I have two divorced friends who found second wives. Although my state is a no-fault divorce state, these men divorced their wives for faults. I consider them good men. Hence they’re my friends.

I do not know you. Maybe you are a great guy who divorced because of a serious transgression. And that can be explained to a woman.

I don’t consider every divorced woman a red flag either. One should ask the explanation for why there was divorce. If she was divorced because she “got bored,” “grew apart,” “was not happy,” or whatever, then I’d say, “No, thanks.”

I’m black and white with the subject of women.
Listen, I know this is biased of me: But if the woman requested the divorce, I would say a run. She’s the type whom can’t take accountability and won’t work hard on herself.

Unless she proved that she fought for her husband and he was the apathetic piece of ****, I would run. Women who give up on their marriages seem to be a dime a dozen. Playing house and not wo-manning up to life. Life isn’t likes and roses—it’s hard work. Coddled existence is not real—too many want to drink their wine and fvck who they wish when bored and “unhappy”, yet doing none of the work.

If she was the victim — he cheated or abandoned her despite her best efforts, than she might be legit. If she’s the “victim” of perceived emotional abuse and blah blah (unless *real*), please run from the succubus. It’s all manipulation, you’ll be the next harvesting and extraction.
 
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5:30am text:

‘The texts you saw that night Mary and I went out. We were just sitting at the hotel bar just chatting with the people around us making conversation. We were both very clear about the fact we were in relationships. I spoke about our trip to boston and how I have the best guy and you made me so happy. When we were leaving to go to our rooms to bed the Brazilian guy asked for Mary’s Instagram and she denied him. That was what that text thread was about. Mary said that other guy was low key cute and I wrote he wasn’t my type and he’s not. I wrote that the Brazilian looked good for 42 and our friend would have been interested in him and she would have been. I was and always have been 100 percent faithful to you in this relationship.

I didn’t delete the dm last week. I checked last week after you dropped me off for it and couldn’t find it. Which is why I said I don’t have it before I even looked for it when we were sitting on the couch. I finally remembered why i didn’t have the message, I never even opened the dm I blocked him from my story (which is why I thought I originally had him gone in the first place) and deleted the thread bc I didn’t want the notification there.I never opened it or acknowledged it. I literally forgot he existed. Never did I think I would need that to show you however many months later. I’m sorry I don’t have it to show you now.

I’m sorry that my actions created suspicion where there didn’t need to be. You’ve asked me to be Open and honest with you and I am. I believe we can work through this if you still want to but I couldn’t just let things end without you at least hearing that. ‘
 

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Listen, I know this is biased of me: But if the woman requested the divorce, I would say a run. She’s the type whom can’t take accountability and won’t work hard on herself.

Unless she proved that she fought for her husband and he was the apathetic piece of ****, I would run. Women who give up on their marriages seem to be a dime a dozen. Playing house and not wo-manning up to life. Life isn’t likes and roses—it’s hard work. Coddled existence is not real—too many want to drink their wine and fvck who they wish when bored and “unhappy”, yet doing none of the work.

If she was the victim — he cheated or abandoned her despite her best efforts, than she might be legit. If she’s the “victim” of perceived emotional abuse and blah blah (unless *real*), please run from the succubus. It’s all manipulation, you’ll be the next harvesting and extraction.
Thanks for the reply and like.

Before I move on, I just want to say, I am judgmental, but withhold expressing judgment of other posters. I am not here for that, do not want to be unnecessarily offensive, and do not wish to engage in insult matches and e-beef. I am here to talk about ideas, perspectives, and if requested, advice.

I intensely frown upon divorce, and believe it should be done only for serious transgressions.

Here they are:
Abandonment
Abuse
Dereliction of duties
Withholding sex
Adultery

I am married, but if I were single, I would not deal with a woman who divorced for anything other than the aforesaid reasons. As you and everyone else here already knows, women initiate 70% of divorces, and we know many, maybe even most, of those, are “no-fault” . And I do not know how many male-initiated divorces were because of women intentionally transgressing to push men to divorce. Roger Devlin discusses this seldom mentioned occurrence in his essay Rotating Polyandry.

I'm not fond of what I consider a boomer meme: "You shouldn't try to work it out just because of the kids." What the hell was the point of getting married in the first place if not for child raising, knowing that there would likely be conflicts in most marriages that people should work to resolve. If people are not receptive to conflict resolution generally, should they be married?

Perhaps I am archaic, but I don't see marriage as a union of solely two individuals and consider what marriage was originally for, in no particular order:

1. Family and political alliances
2. Child raising
3. Resource accrual
4. Forming bonds with other people

Of course there is romance and love in marriage, but for me, those are only two elements that cannot make marriage last or consequential.

Divorce has serious ramifications throughout entire families, and I think some people overlook this because in the modern day, we look at marriage as a union of solely two individuals, who oftentimes, in my opinion, were a poor fit from the start. Judging from the divorces I am aware of, in most cases, I could see the divorces coming from the start. And likewise, I can usually tell who will not get divorced.

There is no in-between with me on the female question. Although I am not religious, I sympathize with what Martin Luther said about women: "The word and works of God is clear, that women were made either to be wives or prostitutes." Hence I am against "dating" and "boyfriend and girlfriend" as we know these practices past the age of 25 or so. Either a woman is going to be a wife and mother or provide the same favors as prostitutes with no financial reward, what we call casual sex. That requires no emotional or financial support, no involvement from extended family members, and no "hanging out"!

In many cases, though not all, being a boyfriend is being a woman's court jester/entertainer and/or employee. And I think that's why we get these stories of men being driven up walls by "girlfriends".
 
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5:30am text:

‘The texts you saw that night Mary and I went out. We were just sitting at the hotel bar just chatting with the people around us making conversation. We were both very clear about the fact we were in relationships. I spoke about our trip to boston and how I have the best guy and you made me so happy. When we were leaving to go to our rooms to bed the Brazilian guy asked for Mary’s Instagram and she denied him. That was what that text thread was about. Mary said that other guy was low key cute and I wrote he wasn’t my type and he’s not. I wrote that the Brazilian looked good for 42 and our friend would have been interested in him and she would have been. I was and always have been 100 percent faithful to you in this relationship.

I didn’t delete the dm last week. I checked last week after you dropped me off for it and couldn’t find it. Which is why I said I don’t have it before I even looked for it when we were sitting on the couch. I finally remembered why i didn’t have the message, I never even opened the dm I blocked him from my story (which is why I thought I originally had him gone in the first place) and deleted the thread bc I didn’t want the notification there.I never opened it or acknowledged it. I literally forgot he existed. Never did I think I would need that to show you however many months later. I’m sorry I don’t have it to show you now.

I’m sorry that my actions created suspicion where there didn’t need to be. You’ve asked me to be Open and honest with you and I am. I believe we can work through this if you still want to but I couldn’t just let things end without you at least hearing that. ‘
OK, this is sincere. She wants to be with you.

What do you want from a woman at this point? Remarriage? Her to be a stepmother or fill the role of one? To be a serious monogamous life partner until you die if not married in the government’s eyes?
 

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OK, this is sincere. She wants to be with you.

What do you want from a woman at this point? Remarriage? Her to be a stepmother or fill the role of one? To be a serious monogamous life partner until you die if not married in the government’s eyes?
I was ready to have her move in and setup a life. There’s a handful of lingering issues that were on the back burner that I laid out, that I wanted to flesh out.

I very simply want her to be as natural in the relationship as she is with the kids. Submissive, devoted behavior.

Speaking of the kids, a big reason I am with her in the first place is the kids. I knew early (and was bullseye right) about how great she would be and how it would go. My kids have been through so much. Two in therapy. They’re better in the last three months, it’s exactly what I expected with her in the picture.

As a father of young kids I feel that the most important thing for me, is to provide them a positive nurturing female presence. Their mother is incapable of providing it.
 
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I was ready to have her move in and setup a life. There’s a handful of lingering issues that were on the back burner that I laid out, that I wanted to flesh out.

I very simply want her to be as natural in the relationship as she is with the kids. Submissive, devoted behavior.

Speaking of the kids, a big reason I am with her in the first place is the kids. I knew early (and was bullseye right) about how great she would be and how it would go. My kids have been through so much. Two in therapy. They’re better in the last three months, it’s exactly what I expected with her in the picture.

As a father of young kids I feel that the most important thing for me, is to provide them a positive nurturing female presence. Their mother is incapable of providing it.
I probably would wait on the move in but honestly this woman is starting to win me over.

There are very very very few women you will ever meet who are going to love you as much as this woman obviously does. That has to count for something.
 

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5:30am text:

‘The texts you saw that night Mary and I went out. We were just sitting at the hotel bar just chatting with the people around us making conversation. We were both very clear about the fact we were in relationships. I spoke about our trip to boston and how I have the best guy and you made me so happy. When we were leaving to go to our rooms to bed the Brazilian guy asked for Mary’s Instagram and she denied him. That was what that text thread was about. Mary said that other guy was low key cute and I wrote he wasn’t my type and he’s not. I wrote that the Brazilian looked good for 42 and our friend would have been interested in him and she would have been. I was and always have been 100 percent faithful to you in this relationship.

I didn’t delete the dm last week. I checked last week after you dropped me off for it and couldn’t find it. Which is why I said I don’t have it before I even looked for it when we were sitting on the couch. I finally remembered why i didn’t have the message, I never even opened the dm I blocked him from my story (which is why I thought I originally had him gone in the first place) and deleted the thread bc I didn’t want the notification there.I never opened it or acknowledged it. I literally forgot he existed. Never did I think I would need that to show you however many months later. I’m sorry I don’t have it to show you now.

I’m sorry that my actions created suspicion where there didn’t need to be. You’ve asked me to be Open and honest with you and I am. I believe we can work through this if you still want to but I couldn’t just let things end without you at least hearing that. ‘
I dont get it........

why does she have a hotel room and why is she drinking with men at a hotel bar in the middle of the night without you?

I am starting to get the impression this woman is totally without leadership in this situationship.

Could it be that you do not know what exactly it is that you want from her?

Maybe i missed some essential points but for me it seems you treat/es her like a plate or FWB. You didnt care enough to correct her behaviour or give her lines not to be crossed in the past and therefore she did whatever she felt like (having hotel rooms and drinking with brazilian strangers f.e.).

At the moment you still dont give her any concrete indication where this situationship is going/is supposed to go, right?

I mean, it sounds as you dont want her 100% in your life(live together) due to your kids or whatever and on the other hand you desperately kling on to that woman.

What do you want from her and why did you never bother to put her in line?

I think your approach is not dominant enough/to feminin. You are kind of a back-seat driver that just started nagging at the driver for taking wrong turns but never provided the destination.
 

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I probably would wait on the move in but honestly this woman is starting to win me over.

There are very very very few women you will ever meet who are going to love you as much as this woman obviously does. That has to count for something.
Coming from you.
 

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I dont get it........

why does she have a hotel room and why is she drinking with men at a hotel bar in the middle of the night without you?

I am starting to get the impression this woman is totally without leadership in this situationship.

Could it be that you do not know what exactly it is that you want from her?

Maybe i missed some essential points but for me it seems you treat/es her like a plate or FWB. You didnt care enough to correct her behaviour or give her lines not to be crossed in the past and therefore she did whatever she felt like (having hotel rooms and drinking with brazilian strangers f.e.).

At the moment you still dont give her any concrete indication where this situationship is going/is supposed to go, right?

I mean, it sounds as you dont want her 100% in your life(live together) due to your kids or whatever and on the other hand you desperately kling on to that woman.

What do you want from her and why did you never bother to put her in line?

I think your approach is not dominant enough/to feminin. You are kind of a back-seat driver that just started nagging at the driver for taking wrong turns but never provided the destination.
Yeah and my boy said that early. He said dude you need to think about you and what you need. Stop running around 24/7 for her and everything else. When was the last time you sat down and looked at what was necessary for you?
 

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I dont get it........

why does she have a hotel room and why is she drinking with men at a hotel bar in the middle of the night without you?

I am starting to get the impression this woman is totally without leadership in this situationship.

Could it be that you do not know what exactly it is that you want from her?

Maybe i missed some essential points but for me it seems you treat/es her like a plate or FWB. You didnt care enough to correct her behaviour or give her lines not to be crossed in the past and therefore she did whatever she felt like (having hotel rooms and drinking with brazilian strangers f.e.).

At the moment you still dont give her any concrete indication where this situationship is going/is supposed to go, right?

I mean, it sounds as you dont want her 100% in your life(live together) due to your kids or whatever and on the other hand you desperately kling on to that woman.

What do you want from her and why did you never bother to put her in line?

I think your approach is not dominant enough/to feminin. You are kind of a back-seat driver that just started nagging at the driver for taking wrong turns but never provided the destination.
Would you say that this would involve the financial discussion also? As to my shorter and longer term plans and how I plan on moving forward right now to execute them? I took a six figure pay cut and fired my business partner for the longer term good a week before i filed for divorce. I need to keep my head down.
 

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Why are any of you taking what this woman says at face value? She had time to craft an "acceptable story" after seeing his negative reaction based on very real, unacceptable red flag behavior from her on numerous occasions. It just seems like the OP and others are wanting this fairy tale story to work out and ignoring female nature. It doesn't feel like your making decisions based on reality because you want it to work out so badly and can't walk away.
 

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Would you say that this would involve the financial discussion also? As to my shorter and longer term plans and how I plan on moving forward right now to execute them? I took a six figure pay cut and fired my business partner for the longer term good a week before i filed for divorce. I need to keep my head down.
How far does she live away from you? How much did you see each other?

Here is what i would do:

*Involve her more in my life(chores/kids/etc) to keep her busy/away from doing stupid ****
*Stop spending that kind of money on her unless i want to be seen as sugar daddy
*Implement a ruleset for her ( no ladies nights/weekends/hotel rooms, no more marketing herself on social media, no "socializing" with whatever men, etc.)
*Maybe have her move closer, change job

Id watch what she does for one year and if she is a good compliant girl id take her in.

Make it clear that you can see a future with her and be very clear about what she has to do for it to become true..... or else.
 

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How far does she live away from you? How much did you see each other?

Here is what i would do:

*Involve her more in my life(chores/kids/etc) to keep her busy/away from doing stupid ****
- doing this now
*Stop spending that kind of money on her
unless i want to be seen as sugar daddy
- doing this now
*Implement a ruleset for her ( no ladies nights/weekends/hotel rooms, no more marketing herself on social media - this is virtually impossible to regulate, look at her own text about blocking users from stories— "socializing" with whatever men, etc.)
- haven’t done this yet
*Maybe have her move closer, change job
- in process

Id watch what she does for one year and if she is a good compliant girl id take her in.

Make it clear that you can see a future with her and be very clear about what she has to do for it to become true..... or else.
answers above. We see each other like 5+ days a week. All weekends. She’s 90 min away.

Blocking specific users from stories does check out. It would have been easier to block him as a follower, but two months into the relationship and with respect to the almighty follower ratio, you know how that goes…

and to the other point about the reply being curated over a few days, she did in fact cringe and look worried when I wanted to see the text with the colleague. Could maybe have been concerned about my going in prior to our life together. I didn’t go a day before I knew her other than to just look at the length of history of DM’s on her Instagram but never read any.
 
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answers above. We see each other like 5+ days a week. All weekends. She’s 90 min away.

Blocking specific users from stories does check out. It would have been easier to block him as a follower, but two months into the relationship and with respect to the almighty follower ratio, you know how that goes…

and to the other point about the reply being curated over a few days, she did in fact cringe and look worried when I wanted to see the text with the colleague. Could maybe have been concerned about my going in prior to our life together. I didn’t go a day before I knew her other than to just look at the length of history of DM’s on her Instagram but never read any.
This is not a technical issue, its a mindset issue.

Why does she need followers(simps waiting for their chance) at all?

It isnt even an Instagram issue as it goes over all of the social interaction with men she is entertaining, ending up at a hotel bar with brazilians.

We all know there is no such thing as a platonic male friend. Everyone on a friends/follower list would smash that hot girl if invited over for a drink.
 
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