article: Gen Z Is Leaving Dating Apps Behind

[The Duke]

I know dating apps aren't what they used to be. But does that means you should give up?

Have you ever competed on a professional level as an amateur? Chess, poker, sports, etc. I have and got my ass handed too me. But guess what I went to work and improved my situation. Eventually I made it to the semi pro level in a few things.

You either make personal changes to improve your situation or go back to playing sand lot ball.

There is so much "it's too hard" attitude these days. Not enough, I am working to better myself so I can play on a higher level.

I've started at the bottom of several things in life. I put in the work, improved myself, and advanced to the next level many times.

Most of you lack grit and try. It takes a strong man to acknowledge his weaknesses and do something about them.

You would rather sit here and mental masturbate why the deck is stacked.

Defeatists attitudes. Sickening.

 

[corrector]

I know dating apps aren't what they used to be. But does that means you should give up?

Have you ever competed on a professional level as an amateur? Chess, poker, sports, etc. I have and got my ass handed too me. But guess what I went to work and improved my situation. Eventually I made it to the semi pro level in a few things.

How would that work with diminishing returns? Games follow rules. With dating, it could appear the goal-posts themselves keep moving. If you look at @BergischerLöwe posts, for example, he used the dating apps in the past, had some limited success, and now the ROI is worst, and he's getting worst results now than before (no matches or way worst matches then before if he does get them). He had all the time to learn how to improve any dating app game and should operating as a pro. What would you think the issue is on his case?

You also have veteran posters like @SW15 that cry down online dating for normies, and you have very masculine posters like @AmsterdamAssassin, who by their own admission, do not use dating apps because the ROI is not worth it ot him.

So I don't think it is as simple as an argument as you are presenting.

Now, if you were to say, give up on apps and just deal with women IRL, cold-approach, etc... then that would be another story. However, that depends on the individual and how much time they have to potential use since these are extremely time consuming activities, and honestly is no fun, especially if you get blown off, rejected and ignored. Even getting paid to do something that is not fun is hard in its own right. If you don't need the money badly enough, you'd quit that job.

 

[Slowhandluke]

The average woman is still getting laid though.

yes, pumped and dumped. congratulations to her??? I guess???

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

yes, pumped and dumped. congratulations to her??? I guess???

average women get wifed up too
only the far below average might end up cat ladies

 

[Slowhandluke]

in the Art of War by ,Sun Tzu, you never fight the enemy at it strongest point. Patton did the same thing in his battles in Europe. you side step the strongest obstacles. you move forward looking for weaknesses. To "tough it out" in the face of overwhelming odds is stupid. Ghengis khan never fought headon against strong opponents. as a matter of fact, he would feign retreat and try to change the environment to make it advantageous for him to defeat his enemies.

if you feel that running into a machine gun barrage is worth it, go ahead. hell Hitler did the same thing in the beginning of ww2 by going arround the maginot line.

I know dating apps aren't what they used to be. But does that means you should give up?

Have you ever competed on a professional level as an amateur? Chess, poker, sports, etc. I have and got my ass handed too me. But guess what I went to work and improved my situation. Eventually I made it to the semi pro level in a few things.

You either make personal changes to improve your situation or go back to playing sand lot ball.

There is so much "it's too hard" attitude these days. Not enough, I am working to better myself so I can play on a higher level.

I've started at the bottom of several things in life. I put in the work, improved myself, and advanced to the next level many times.

Most of you lack grit and try. It takes a strong man to acknowledge his weaknesses and do something about them.

You would rather sit here and mental masturbate why the deck is stacked.

Defeatists attitudes. Sickening.

 

[corrector]

yes, pumped and dumped. congratulations to her??? I guess???

That is why they call it the CC, then they wife up to a thirsty beta (ie who went through self improvement, gymmaxxed, lookmaxxed, and a 6 figure job to even qualify for her attention as a beta male) to provide to her once she passes the wall. Sounds great for her.
And she can cry on TicToc for likes and popularity.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

@Slowhandluke: Maybe you should keep your pal Adolf out of the conversation.

 

[Slowhandluke]

average women get wifed up too
only the far below average might end up cat ladies

Actually, the marriage rate is declining. I think someone said the number of never married forty year old women is going to be the highest in record history within the next five years (or something like that)....

Single at 40? Blame the Economy

Why more 40-year-olds than ever have never been married.

time.com

Study Predicts 45% of Women Will Be Single By 2030

Single men are “lonely” but single women are “empowered.“

medium.com

@Slowhandluke: Maybe you should keep your pal Adolf out of the conversation.

Did I just hurt your feelings? Sorry... Let me rephrase without triggering you by not directly using that name.

Yes, military history has noted that a lot of times, directly engaging an enemy that has superior strength is not a good idea. There was this guy who shall not be name that basically almost took over the entire continent of Europe within the past century, he used the tacit of not engaging strongly defend position like the Maginot line. Later in the war, he decided to invade the eastern front, and keep on throwing soldiers at "Stalingrad". A lot of historians thought he should have retreated, but he did not. Ultimately, he lost the war. "Stalingrad" to a lot of historians, was this man's downfall.

Does your vagina feel better? That's good

 

[corrector]

Actually, the marriage rate is declining. I think someone said the number of never married forty year old women is going to be the highest in record history within the next five years (or something like that)....

Single at 40? Blame the Economy

Why more 40-year-olds than ever have never been married.

time.com

Study Predicts 45% of Women Will Be Single By 2030

Single men are “lonely” but single women are “empowered.“

medium.com

Did I just hurt your feelings? Sorry... Let me rephrase without triggering you by not directly using that name.

Yes, military history has noted that a lot of times, directly engaging an enemy that has superior strength is not a good idea. There was this guy who shall not be name that basically almost took over the entire continent of Europe within the past century, he used the tacit of not engaging strongly defend position like the Maginot line. Later in the war, he decided to invade the eastern front, and keep on throwing soldiers at "Stalingrad". A lot of historians thought he should have retreated, but he did not. Ultimately, he lost the war. "Stalingrad" to a lot of historians, was this man's downfall.

Does your vagina feel better? That's good

He was delusional. To him the Slavics were inferior and the whole Russian land belonged to them and their inhabitants were to be their slaves. His own Generals realized he was crazy and wanted to assissinate him. In the end he decided the German were not superior after all and started.ordering a self destruct to Berlin as they disappointed him with the Russia thing.

Meanwhile their legacy lived on Doctor Who show with Davros and the Daleks. Some of the best Doctor Who episodes involve those fictional villians.

 

[Slowhandluke]

He was delusional. To him the Slavics were inferior and the whole Russian land belonged to them and their inhabitants were to be their slaves. His own Generals realized he was crazy and wanted to assissinate him. In the end he decided the German were not superior after all and started.ordering a self destruct to Berlin as they disappointed him with the Russia thing.

Crazy or not.. Hitler knew not to go head-on; when to go around; etc.. Until he didn't. I'm not sure what it is (hubris, delusions of grandeur, amphetamines prescribed by nazi doctors, etc.. etc?), but in life, people fall. These people I think over reach. They don't remember the lesson they learned in the past? Or they remember the wrong lessons?

Oh well, whatever... I'm generally surprised Ghengis khan was able to basically die in his sleep having made no fatal mistakes in his life. Basically, he made all the right decisions and a lot of the times, his army was fighting those that had greater numbers.

 

[corrector]

These people I think over reach. They don't remember the lesson they learned in the past? Or they remember the wrong lessons?

Like I said, he believed the Slavs were inferior. They proved him wrong. In the end he was inferior.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Like I said, he believed the Slavs were inferior. They proved him wrong. In the end he was inferior.

Ok, I don't want to be pedantic, but hitler did not lose because he thought Slavs were inferior. He lost because he didn't make the right decisions in war.

Many dictators/kings/Indian tribes/emperors/sultans/caliphs/etc. have mass slaughtered people in the past (committed genocide) and "gotten away with it". This does not mean what they thought about those people were right or wrong - that those people were "inferior" or "superior".. It doesn't matter. It just means these rulers had made the right decisions during their time in power to affect their desired outcome.

Does that mean I think Hitler was a "good person". No, he's clearly evil. However, he was so close to "getting away" with mass murder on the scale we have never seen before and he was on his way on subjugating basically a good portion of the worlds population. Reverse a few of his actions during WW2, and we would all be living in a radically different society now.

At the end of the day, in my opinion, his inability to retreat, go around huge obstacles, etc. was his downfall. It's like trying to bed a lesbian or a hardcore man hating feminist. A lot of time it is folly. "Try harder" - sometimes is not the answer.

 

[corrector]

Ok, I don't want to be pedantic, but hitler did not lose because he thought Slavs were inferior. He lost because he didn't make the right decisions in war.

Many dictators/kings/Indian tribes/emperors/sultans/caliphs/etc. have mass slaughtered people in the past (committed genocide) and "gotten away with it". This does not mean what they thought about those people were right or wrong - that those people were "inferior" or "superior".. It doesn't matter. It just means these rulers had made the right decisions during their time in power to affect their desired outcome.

Yes, but when the beliefs lead to insane decisions then it just becomes jokey.

At the end of the day, in my opinion, his inability to retreat, go around huge obstacles, etc. was his downfall. It's like trying to bed a lesbian or a hardcore man hating feminist. A lot of time it is folly. "Try harder" - sometimes is not the answer.

It is the answer in his mind because they were inferior.

It like the Daleks called "Pest Control" in this scene below.

Bad beliefs, bad decision, all one of the same thing.

You can only retreat if your enemy is not inferior and is an equal to you, right?

 

[Slowhandluke]

Bad beliefs, bad decision, all one of the same thing.

The Aztecs committed genocide to neighboring tribes throughout their history. They made the correct/good decision during the time of war with these tribes. Does this mean Aztecs belief that they were better than those tribes a "good" belief?

How about American colonist and the native Americans in the USA. A lot of these tribes almost got wiped out, some of them did. A lot of American colonist believed that the Indians were inferior and should be killed. Because the colonist made the right decisions in battle, does this make their belief, a "good" beliefs?

You can only retreat if your enemy is not inferior and is an equal to you, right?

Let me rephrase your sentence:

You can only retreat if your enemy is superior and is an equal to you, right?

Basically, according to the Art of War (IIRC), you should not fight a superior force. If you are equal, you should not fight also, because it will be a battle of attrition unless your forces can absorb the loses, but it's not ideal. You SHOULD fight your enemy when you have a plan and you know you will win. The biggest point of the Art of War, (at least what I got from it) is that you must look for weakness and exploit it (... and obviously, don't fight a superior force directly)

 

[corrector]

The Aztecs committed genocide to neighboring tribes throughout their history. They made the correct/good decision during the time of war with these tribes. Does this mean Aztecs belief that they were better than those tribes a "good" belief?

How about American colonist and the native Americans in the USA. A lot of these tribes almost got wiped out, some of them did. A lot of American colonist believed that the Indians were inferior and should be killed. Because the colonist made the right decisions in battle, does this make their belief, a "good" beliefs?




Let me rephrase your sentence:

You can only retreat if your enemy is superior and is an equal to you, right?

Basically, according to the Art of War (IIRC), you should not fight a superior force. If you are equal, you should not fight also, because it will be a battle of attrition unless your forces can absorb the loses, but it's not ideal. You SHOULD fight your enemy when you have a plan and you know you will win. The biggest point of the Art of War, (at least what I got from it) is that you must look for weakness and exploit it (... and obviously, don't fight a superior force directly)

Would the colonist have thought differently about the Natives if they had special photon laser weapons that zapped the colonists to ashes upon contact compared to their gun-powder? If they still thought htey were inferior after such a demonstration of power then they would be fools because they would be reduced to ash by their superior alien-tech fire-power if they still believed that way. That's a better analogy.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Would the colonist have thought differently about the Natives if they had special photon laser weapons that zapped the colonists to ashes upon contact compared to their gun-powder? If they still thought htey were inferior after such a demonstration of power then they would be fools because they would be reduced to ash by their superior alien-tech fire-power if they still believed that way. That's a better analogy.

I guess if the natives had laser weapons at the time, they would be the superior race... I mean, the Jews helped create the atomic weapon before anyone else did in 1945. Are they more superior than the slavs? I don't get this line of thinking.

All I'm saying is being "right in war" does not automatically mean your beliefs are "right" in other areas of life. some one can give the right answer to a math problem, this doesn't mean that person can not be a racist. Or giving the wrong answer, does it mean one is a racist.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Did I just hurt your feelings? Sorry... Let me rephrase without triggering you by not directly using that name.
Does your vagina feel better? That's good

No, you didn't hurt my feelings. You can sound like a AH fan all you want. Just makes me take you less seriously. And this reaction of yours marks you even more. But go ahead, I'm not a moderator here, nor would I want to be.

 

[OngBak]

Feeling defeated due to low T levels. People have no idea how important T levels are to men feeling like men and not going into these tailspins.

They are important I agree, but woman nowadays are way too low value to go out with someone with high Testosteron. Evolution failed woman’s insticts. Second they wouldn’t even be able to distinguish high Testosteron from low testosterone in some cases. You see the low testo guy being irrational and aggressive thinking they are oozing testosterone and some woman might feel he is a real men despite his actions coming from insecurities and in fact isn’t a real men but trying to bs everyone with his moody uncontrollable weak behaviours.

Woman are backwards, men are backwards, evolution failed humankind, people are getting more and more destructive over time, certain circumstances and situation globally reinforcing it.

These guys avoiding dating apps, are doing themself a favor. No sex Is better then losing self respect and pursuing low value woman on a low value dating app.

Self respect should be above that all, it means they have time and focus to other important things

 

[BackInTheGame78]

They are important I agree, but woman nowadays are way too low value to go out with someone with high Testosteron. Evolution failed woman’s insticts. Second they wouldn’t even be able to distinguish high Testosteron from low testosterone in some cases. You see the low testo guy being irrational and aggressive thinking they are oozing testosterone and some woman might feel he is a real men despite his actions coming from insecurities and in fact isn’t a real men but trying to bs everyone with his moody uncontrollable weak behaviours.

Woman are backwards, men are backwards, evolution failed humankind, people are getting more and more destructive over time, certain circumstances and situation globally reinforcing it.

These guys avoiding dating apps, are doing themself a favor. No sex Is better then losing self respect and pursuing low value woman on a low value dating app.

Self respect should be above that all, it means they have time and focus to other important things

This is patently false.

 

[OngBak]

This is patently false.

It’s not, most woman are low value and hook up with average guys and losers. Guys who don’t care about their health or have any idea about health, these type of guys are common.

When I was skinny or fat, most woman would be sexually aggressive with their intent, I had more options because they knew they had a chance with me. As a muscular guy now, I have to do all the approach most of the time and make them feel they have a chance with me, some of them are intimidated or self select them out because I’m way out of their league